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Re: [Frameworks] Painting directly to film

2017-12-02 Thread Myron Ort

The 35mm Sistiaga film was shown several years ago in San Francisco 
unfortunately with a very loud and overbearing soundtrack of live “music” 
(inescapable electronic noise and thumbing bass as I recall). I really don’t 
know why they do that.

There seems to be a couple of  digital relics on Youtube and one which requires 
a subscription of some kind to watch which I have not.

https://expcinema.org/site/en/wiki/work/ere-erera-baleibu-izik-subua-aruaren 



The film is definitely an example of extended painting on film with its feature 
length of 1 hr. and 15 min. 



> On Dec 2, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Ignacio Tamarit  wrote:
> 
> era erera baleibu izik subua aruaren was the first cameraless film I ve ever 
> seen in my life before I knew what that meant! I remember seeing in at the 
> cinema projected in its original 35 mm cinemascope, and I remember seeing 
> things like shoes, or objects whatever. Some years later I got to know what 
> direct cinema filmmaking meant and I felt lucky to have seen that film on 
> film.
> 
> I have a dvd and the digital version its pretty cool!
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> 2017-12-02 23:51 GMT-03:00 Fred Camper  >:
> Now this is a really interesting suggestion. This film is quite spectacular. 
> On my one viewing, I was in many ways disappointed, but that could change on 
> later viewings, and in any case it is unique, not really like anything I have 
> seen, and anyone interested in abstract filmmaking should see it. It is also, 
> gloriously in my view, silent.
> 
> I would not, however, even want to try to imagine what a digital version 
> would look like. I saw it in its original 35mm format, also projected in its 
> intended CinemaScope aspect ratio. The paint is applied with great subtlety 
> of detail.
> 
> If there is a possibly adequate digital version, I would like to hear of it.
> 
> Fred Camper (who is still considering his response to the unfair and 
> erroneous insults hurled his way a week ago)
> Chicago
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2017 5:59 PM, Ignacio Tamarit wrote:
>> I will recommend Jose Antonio Sistiaga´s era erera baleibu izik subua 
>> aruaren ... (1968–70).
>> A feature lenght cameraless film of pure abstract imaginery.
>> 
>> xoxo
>> 
>> 2017-12-01 23:33 GMT-03:00 Samantha Heth > >:
>> I find this website is interesting to browse around. It might take a few 
>> clicks to find something you need, but the artists featured usually have 
>> some kind of video/work sample attached. It might be helpful!
>> 
>> http://www.handmadecinema.com/ 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Janet Benn > > wrote:
>> Len Lye
>> Norman McLaren
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Myron Ort > > wrote:
>> Can anyone site an example of “abstract expressionist” painting onto film 
>> prior to 1968?  (Hopefully with online viewing availability).
>> 
>> 
>> https://vimeo.com/220986135 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Painting directly to film

2017-12-02 Thread Ignacio Tamarit

*era erera baleibu izik subua aruaren *was the first cameraless film I ve
ever seen in my life before I knew what that meant! I remember seeing in at
the cinema projected in its original 35 mm cinemascope, and I remember
seeing things like shoes, or objects whatever. Some years later I got to
know what direct cinema filmmaking meant and I felt lucky to have seen that
film on film.

I have a dvd and the digital version its pretty cool!

cheers

2017-12-02 23:51 GMT-03:00 Fred Camper :

> Now this is a really interesting suggestion. This film is quite
> spectacular. On my one viewing, I was in many ways disappointed, but that
> could change on later viewings, and in any case it is unique, not really
> like anything I have seen, and anyone interested in abstract filmmaking
> should see it. It is also, gloriously in my view, silent.
>
> I would not, however, even want to try to imagine what a digital version
> would look like. I saw it in its original 35mm format, also projected in
> its intended CinemaScope aspect ratio. The paint is applied with great
> subtlety of detail.
>
> If there is a possibly adequate digital version, I would like to hear of
> it.
>
> Fred Camper (who is still considering his response to the unfair and
> erroneous insults hurled his way a week ago)
> Chicago
>
>
> On 12/2/2017 5:59 PM, Ignacio Tamarit wrote:
>
> I will recommend Jose Antonio Sistiaga´s *era erera baleibu izik subua
> aruaren ...* (1968–70).
> A feature lenght cameraless film of pure abstract imaginery.
>
> xoxo
>
> 2017-12-01 23:33 GMT-03:00 Samantha Heth :
>
>> I find this website is interesting to browse around. It might take a few
>> clicks to find something you need, but the artists featured usually have
>> some kind of video/work sample attached. It might be helpful!
>>
>> http://www.handmadecinema.com/
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Janet Benn  wrote:
>>
>>> Len Lye
>>> Norman McLaren
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Myron Ort  wrote:
>>>
 Can anyone site an example of “abstract expressionist” painting onto
 film prior to 1968?  (Hopefully with online viewing availability).


 https://vimeo.com/220986135


 *Myron Ort*
 www.zeno-okeanos,com





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>>>
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>
>
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> Cabral 2354, Munro, Vicente López.
> Tel.: 4721-9255.
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Re: [Frameworks] Painting directly to film

2017-12-02 Thread Fred Camper

Now this is a really interesting suggestion. This film is quite 
spectacular. On my one viewing, I was in many ways disappointed, but 
that could change on later viewings, and in any case it is unique, not 
really like anything I have seen, and anyone interested in abstract 
filmmaking should see it. It is also, gloriously in my view, silent.


I would not, however, even want to try to imagine what a digital version 
would look like. I saw it in its original 35mm format, also projected in 
its intended CinemaScope aspect ratio. The paint is applied with great 
subtlety of detail.


If there is a possibly adequate digital version, I would like to hear of it.

Fred Camper (who is still considering his response to the unfair and 
erroneous insults hurled his way a week ago)

Chicago


On 12/2/2017 5:59 PM, Ignacio Tamarit wrote:
I will recommend Jose Antonio Sistiaga´s /era erera baleibu izik subua 
aruaren .../ (1968–70).

A feature lenght cameraless film of pure abstract imaginery.

xoxo

2017-12-01 23:33 GMT-03:00 Samantha Heth >:


I find this website is interesting to browse around. It might take
a few clicks to find something you need, but the artists featured
usually have some kind of video/work sample attached. It might be
helpful!

http://www.handmadecinema.com/

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Janet Benn > wrote:

Len Lye
Norman McLaren

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Myron Ort > wrote:

Can anyone site an example of “abstract expressionist”
painting onto film prior to 1968?  (Hopefully with online
viewing availability).


https://vimeo.com/220986135


*Myron Ort*
www.zeno-okeanos,com





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Re: [Frameworks] Painting directly to film

2017-12-02 Thread Ignacio Tamarit

I will recommend Jose Antonio Sistiaga´s *era erera baleibu izik subua
aruaren ...* (1968–70).
A feature lenght cameraless film of pure abstract imaginery.

xoxo

2017-12-01 23:33 GMT-03:00 Samantha Heth :

> I find this website is interesting to browse around. It might take a few
> clicks to find something you need, but the artists featured usually have
> some kind of video/work sample attached. It might be helpful!
>
> http://www.handmadecinema.com/
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Janet Benn  wrote:
>
>> Len Lye
>> Norman McLaren
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Myron Ort  wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone site an example of “abstract expressionist” painting onto
>>> film prior to 1968?  (Hopefully with online viewing availability).
>>>
>>>
>>> https://vimeo.com/220986135
>>>
>>>
>>> *Myron Ort*
>>> www.zeno-okeanos,com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Frameworks] El cine como forma de arte subversivo, de Amos Vogel

2017-12-02 Thread Santiago Fernandez

I don’t think they’ll distribute it on bookstores anywhere soon. Try trough the 
website to see if they’ll ship it to you. If not, let me know and I’ll see how 
much would cost to send it to you myself.

"My head is made of the same matter of the sun"

> On Dec 2, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Esperanza Collado  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for letting me know. Is it available anywhere in Europe yet? 
> 
> 2017-12-02 18:47 GMT+01:00 Jesse Lerner :
>> Yes, this book is now available. It's selling for $300 Mexican pesos, or 
>> approximately US$16.
>> jl
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:57 AM, Esperanza Collado 
>>>  wrote:
>>> To the Spanish-speaking community:
>>> 
>>> Do you know if the translated book by Vogel is circulating around yet? I 
>>> had a look at Ambulante's website but it seems $300!! And I can't find it 
>>> anywhere else. Weird...
>>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] El cine como forma de arte subversivo, de Amos Vogel

2017-12-02 Thread Esperanza Collado

Thanks for letting me know. Is it available anywhere in Europe yet?

2017-12-02 18:47 GMT+01:00 Jesse Lerner :

> Yes, this book is now available. It's selling for $300 Mexican pesos, or
> approximately US$16.
> jl
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:57 AM, Esperanza Collado <
> esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To the Spanish-speaking community:
>>
>> Do you know if the translated book by Vogel is circulating around yet? I
>> had a look at Ambulante's website but it seems $300!! And I can't find it
>> anywhere else. Weird...
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] El cine como forma de arte subversivo, de Amos Vogel

2017-12-02 Thread Jesse Lerner

Yes, this book is now available. It's selling for $300 Mexican pesos, or
approximately US$16.
jl

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:57 AM, Esperanza Collado <
esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To the Spanish-speaking community:
>
> Do you know if the translated book by Vogel is circulating around yet? I
> had a look at Ambulante's website but it seems $300!! And I can't find it
> anywhere else. Weird...
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Frameworks] El cine como forma de arte subversivo, de Amos Vogel

2017-12-02 Thread Santiago Fernandez

Esperanza,

As fas as I know it has only been available through Ambulante’s website or 
during their events. So that’s it. I still have to get my copy so I can’t speak 
about the edition but 300 pesos is quite accesible (around 16 dollars - which 
to me is a nice change from the 40 to 70 dollars books by authors of the NAC 
I’ve gotten lately).

Santiago Fernandez

"My head is made of the same matter of the sun"

> On Dec 2, 2017, at 4:57 AM, Esperanza Collado  
> wrote:
> 
> To the Spanish-speaking community:
> 
> Do you know if the translated book by Vogel is circulating around yet? I had 
> a look at Ambulante's website but it seems $300!! And I can't find it 
> anywhere else. Weird...
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> 
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[Frameworks] El cine como forma de arte subversivo, de Amos Vogel

2017-12-02 Thread Esperanza Collado

To the Spanish-speaking community:

Do you know if the translated book by Vogel is circulating around yet? I
had a look at Ambulante's website but it seems $300!! And I can't find it
anywhere else. Weird...



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