[gentoo-dev] QA Notice: pre-stripped files found
I have a question for portage devs. Is appending -g to CFLAGS tolerable from your pov? I ask this because net-dialup/freeradius allow me to install unstripped binaries but the correspondent configure option (--enable-developer) also append -g to CFLAGS. Otherwise, I will have to patch configure.in and execute eautoreconf. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007
well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people for the next Gentoo Council for the quick low down: - nominations are from July 1 through July 31 - anyone can nominate - only Gentoo devs may be nominated so get with the nominating people ! for the full details, check out the Council homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/#doc_chap6 -mike pgpMPZkv5M4qr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Notice: pre-stripped files found
On Saturday 01 July 2006 02:34, Alin Nastac wrote: I have a question for portage devs. Is appending -g to CFLAGS tolerable from your pov? you're confusing things adding debugging symbols has nothing to do with the stripping of a binary the warning is because the binaries are stripped (`strip foo` or -s in CFLAGS) -mike pgpBCgXB7i66J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Notice: pre-stripped files found
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 01 July 2006 02:34, Alin Nastac wrote: I have a question for portage devs. Is appending -g to CFLAGS tolerable from your pov? you're confusing things adding debugging symbols has nothing to do with the stripping of a binary the warning is because the binaries are stripped (`strip foo` or -s in CFLAGS) -mike I know the debug information is more than just simple symbols, but without symbols I don't see how you could have debug info. Anyway, that is beside the point... Freeradius configure doesn't allow me to install unstripped binaries unless I also add -g to CFLAGS (which means that the binary will contain . Please re-read my initial message: I ask this because net-dialup/freeradius allow me to install unstripped binaries but the correspondent configure option (--enable-developer) also append -g to CFLAGS. Otherwise, I will have to patch configure.in and execute eautoreconf. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Notice: pre-stripped files found
On Saturday 01 July 2006 03:01, Alin Nastac wrote: Freeradius configure doesn't allow me to install unstripped binaries unless I also add -g to CFLAGS (which means that the binary will contain then fix the build files to not strip the binaries regardless, forcing -g into CFLAGS is just as broken as allowing the build system to strip -mike pgpY7KmSxakV9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:53:42 + (UTC) Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, This is what most distributions do (including Gentoo AFAIK). This is fine because as long as the binaries are provided, so are the sources. This is not true for Gentoo LiveCDs, stage tarballs etc. It may be true at the moment they are first uploaded, in that everything should be available on the mirrors, but as time goes on and we continue to distribute them it becomes false. Just try to retrieve the source for the historical distributions. For example, if we hand out CDs at conventions etc, we would have to also hand out source CDs. For comparison, RedHat et. al. distribute binary source CDs together, both on-line and in their retail packs. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Future developer
Paul de Vrieze wrote: ps. If I'm a bit away these days, it is due to me being preoccupied with my mentoring task. =) Congratulations ^^ lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving
Hi gang It looks like we got all the coments we could get, so lets get done with it then. What's left is minor legwork that is best done by the maintainers of the individual herds, here is the approximate list: Herds: 0. If you feel you did not polish up the idea of a particular herd or category enough and you have not created a bug for it (blocking #138049, the tracker) I suggest you finally do it - it will become much more apparent then what to do.. 0.5 Decide on the herd name. 1. Edit gentoo/misc/herds.xml and add the entry for the corresponding herd, listing developers who ended up maintaining it. 2. Adjust metatdata.xml files for the packages that should belong to it (the ones in the corresponding category are of course prime candidates, but dont forget to check sci-libs as well and check if there any others outside that you are aware of). 3. Create an alias for this new herd. It is probably best if the alias matches the name of the herd - bugwranglers will have no problem assigning the bugs then.. The aliases are on dev.g.o under /var/mail/alias (your dev login will allow you to access/modify them) and I would encourage the maintainers of these herds to create these aliases, so that you have more controll over your mails and I do not screw up (and not end up with people asking me for a trivial modifications many month aft the reorg :)). Caterogies: Looks like right now only sci-crystallography could make sense, as there are enough people and packages behind it. sci-proof - saw some activity but I understand that most of the proposed packages are not in the tree yet. May start as a herd and transition to the category when enough packages go in.. sci-physics - many packages were listed, so a candidate, but I did not get a clear impression of how finalized the idea was and how many people finally decided to stay behind it. George -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving
On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: sci-physics - many packages were listed, so a candidate, but I did not get a clear impression of how finalized the idea was and how many people finally decided to stay behind it. There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty. Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this sub-herd ? cryos and markusle are still in ? If not there's a possibility to mentor a candidate and start this thing for real. -- Luis Medinas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing
Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 01 Jul 2006 11:14:37 +0200: On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:53:42 + (UTC) Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, This is what most distributions do (including Gentoo AFAIK). This is not true for Gentoo LiveCDs, stage tarballs etc. It may be true at the moment they are first uploaded, in that everything should be available on the mirrors, but as time goes on and we continue to distribute them it becomes false. Just try to retrieve the source for the historical distributions. For example, if we hand out CDs at conventions etc, we would have to also hand out source CDs. That is indeed a problem. I believe it was Solar that mentioned that in another subthread. Infra and legal should look into this, before Gentoo ends up with a letter of its own from the FSF encouraging full GPLv2 compliance. As my reply there, however, Gentoo does still have it better than most, in that the LiveCDs contain relatively few binaries, and they tend to be relatively core packages to which sources should still be available even for historic releases, should we wish to continue distributing the historical LiveCDs. The packages CDs OTOH... Again as I mentioned there, I'd suggest retiring package CDs 30 days after the next release is out, thus eliminating the largest share of the problem. With the limited binaries on the LiveCDs, it may be worth keeping the sources around as well as the LiveCDs, for historical reasons. Elsewise, I'd suggest retiring them 30 days after the /second/ release to come out after them. That should reduce Gentoo's sources requirement to a manageable level. Beyond that, whether those current minus-one packages, and current minus-two liveCDs, sources should be hosted on an archive server or continue on the mirrors is for Infra to decide. I'd suggest a policy that has RelEng archiving sources to an archive host as part of the RelEng process, as the most reliable and least hassle. Then they'd be there, and could be removed at any point after the parallel CDs using their binaries had been removed. However, others may have more workable ideas, and I'm not a dev let alone Infra, so wouldn't wish to pretend to decide what's best for them. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving
субота, 1. липень 2006 13:02, Luis Medinas Ви написали: On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: sci-physics - many packages were listed, so a candidate, but I did not get a clear impression of how finalized the idea was and how many people finally decided to stay behind it. There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty. Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this sub-herd ? cryos and markusle are still in ? If not there's a possibility to mentor a candidate and start this thing for real. Well, kugelfang has expressed an interest (in a me too way) just recently on irc. So, what about interested people create a bug (blocking that tracker 138049) and polish it up there (the packages that should go in that category/stay elsewhere, who does what, etc..)? This is exactly why I said I did not get a clear idea of what was the conclusion about this category :). If this bug does not get created then it would mean there is not enough interest of course. Another possibility is a herd, with packages staying where they are. The procedure can be similar, or whatever discussion medium suits interested people the best.. There were suggestions (for the packages and an interested user, although I understood that he does not have time or persistent internet connection right now) on gentoo-science list. If the bug gets created I can post the relevant fragments to it.. George -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Keep in mind that every *re*submission to the council for review must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the meeting. Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself. For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Future developer
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:54:47 +0200: I'm proud to announce the arival of a future developer. His name is Tom. He arived last monday on 10:22 am (UTC+02). I and my wife will take care of mentoring him to full developership ;-). In the meantime, he's got his own album on http://www.cs.ru.nl/~pauldv/tom/ So I go to the page, and having images off by default, the first thing I notice is the show sourcecode link! Wonderful and terrible things go through my mind! You already DNA sequenced the poor guy and are publishing his source code on the /web/? =8^0 Then I realize it's the source for the /page/, click the show images button, and all is well, despite my brief bout of technical vertigo. =8^) Anyway, congrats! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On 01 Jul 2006 07:34:49 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. GLEP 42. Noone on the list raised any objections last time it was sent out, so I'd like to send it off to the Council, so to speak. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] mozilla{-bin}/gecko-sdk masking
On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 22:30 -0500, Jory A. Pratt wrote:
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On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 19:39 -0500, Jory A. Pratt wrote:
As many are aware by now mozilla{-bin} are full of security issues. I
will be p.masking them tonight along with gecko-sdk. This is gonna cause
some issues with stable tree I am aware of this. As packages break
please reference bug http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137665 If
you are able to provide a patch or diff against problem please provide
and I or the dev/herd that maintaines will test and apply it as soon as
possible.
I was left with no option as packages are still being updated in the
tree without being ported to seamonkey/firefox. Sorry for any
inconvience this may cause you the user, but devs should be held
responsible as they have had plenty of time to work out the problems.
I've been using seamonkey for a few weeks now without problems and am
pleased with it but I don't believe a word you say about having no
choice or devs having the option to fix stuff. You always had the
option of porting patches. You always have options! You have held back
taking the seadonkey out of p.masking till the very last min then
forced an un-smooth upgrade path on everybody. Please don't shift the
blame on others.. We have ~arch and blockers for stuff like this...
Please don't take this as a personal attack... I'm just calling shit as
I see it.
If this is how ya feel back port the damn patches. I do not have time to
back port patches for every security issues that remains. I have fought
to keep security from masking it before now. Maybe you would feel better
taking over mozilla/seamonkey/gecko-sdk? If all the bug mail over the
last week is not enough to move the tree to were it should be already
for seamonkey as I have requested, then the responsibility does fall on
package maintainer.
For those who are unaware just follow all the blockers you will end up
at security were there has been comments about back porting patches but
you have not seen solar make any mention of who/when will or has the
time to do the back porting.
My reply to your orig mail was intended to be off list.
Lack of time is fully understandable. It's a big package and takes a
long time to compile and debug. More time than many are willing to
devote.. Trust me I thank for you doing what you do and have no interest
what so ever in maintaining the pkg either. I just feel that mozilla is
a pretty major package and seamonkey if unmasked current has not been
unmasked for very long ~10 hrs as of this mail. As long as the two
existed in the tree and blocked each other there seems a little less of
a rush to be so quick to p.mask mozilla itself till the bugs are fleshed
out of the seamonkey pkg. Most maintainers put stuff into ~arch so bugs
can be worked out. You jumped it right to stable out of a p.masking
Shrug.. It's your pkg feel free to maintain it however the fsck you
want..
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving
A short update. субота, 1. липень 2006 12:29, George Shapovalov Ви написали: 3. Create an alias for this new herd. It is probably best if the alias matches the name of the herd - bugwranglers will have no problem assigning the bugs then.. It looks like one cannot just create an alias, this is from the conversation I just had with solar on irc: [14:58] solar georges: yes it requires root cuz we dont want every alias in the world to exist. [14:58] solar trust me.. If opened up there would be a metric asston of useless aliases. [14:58] solar gimme a reasonable list and I'll add them for you however. [15:04] solar #-infra or file a bug usually works best. So, you heard the man, file a bug when you are ready for an alias (if you do so, please block that #138049) or ask them on #gentoo-infra on irc.. George -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] TreeCleaner June Removals
dev-libs/nana bug # 32672 - Removed x11-wm/blwm bug # 71479 - Removed app-editors/gnotepad+ bug # 122993 - Removed net-misc/powerd bug # 70373 - Removed dev-lisp/cl-clx-sbcl bug # 134623 - Removed app-office/gnofin and gnome-extra/gnobog bug # 134624 - Removed net-p2p/dc-gui bug # 134630 - Removed dev-lisp/cmucl-source bug # 134633 - Removed package.mask - Cleaned (also removed perforce from pmask for bug # 123923 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: on herd naming
The herd naming issue has surfaced in more detail again - there were already two comments that it is beneficial to keep -sci in herd names. I originally suggested that we drop it (and in general go with a catchier names), but now it looks like I am slowly turning towards being more conservative myself :). That is to keep sci- and possibly resembel category names as much as possible. The reasoning: making life easier on bug wranglers and on everybody trying to search for the sci-related maintaince info or just to see the relationship between different packages.. Any thoughts? (A comment towards users, as they seemed to react to this issue more then devs last time. This is a completely internal stuff that you are not supposed to see or care about, unless you are willing to become a developer and maintain packages of course ;). This does not concern how the categories are named (nothing happens there actually, well, except for a few possible splits)). Anyway, I'd say it is best for the actual maintainers to decide for every herd. However if we have upwards of two herds retaining sci or following category naming I think it makes sense for all to keep it all consistent and follow.. George -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving
On Sat, Jul 1, 2006 at 13:36:10 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: Hi gang It looks like we got all the coments we could get, so lets get done with it then. What's left is minor legwork that is best done by the maintainers of the individual herds, here is the approximate list: math-proof is all done. For now, there is only me in herds.xml, let me know if someone is interested in joining. As a sidenote, you need to bribe an infra member to create a new alias, as /var/mail/alias/misc is only r-x. Caterogies: sci-proof - saw some activity but I understand that most of the proposed packages are not in the tree yet. May start as a herd and transition to the category when enough packages go in.. My ebuild for agda is almost ready (there are still a couple of issues with emacs site-lisp directory) and there are at least 5 or 6 more that I would like to add, though creating ebuilds may prove quite difficult. Regards, /Alexandre -- Hi, I'm a .signature virus! Please copy me in your ~/.signature. pgpEYjbmT8kfs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP42 for Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Saturday 01 July 2006 08:10, Stephen Bennett wrote: On 01 Jul 2006 07:34:49 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. GLEP 42. Noone on the list raised any objections last time it was sent out, so I'd like to send it off to the Council, so to speak. can we make sure we get some peeps from the portage team to show up -mike pgpwHabho8EXw.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
Hi, Can we have another Sunrise discussion please? I would love to have some feedback about Sunrise, about our progress and where we are still lacking. Thanks, Stefan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Future developer
On Friday 30 June 2006 22:48, Joshua Jackson wrote: Paul de Vrieze wrote: I'm proud to announce the arival of a future developer. His name is Tom. He arived last monday on 10:22 am (UTC+02). I and my wife will take care of mentoring him to full developership ;-). In the meantime, he's got his own album on http://www.cs.ru.nl/~pauldv/tom/ Paul ps. If I'm a bit away these days, it is due to me being preoccupied with my mentoring task. Does this make him the youngest mentee that we've had. I think we need to make a announcement about that on the front page. Congratulations on bringing a little one into the world. Look forward to many many sleepless nights. Thanks very much for all the congratulations. I'm not all going to reply to them, as indeed, sleep has suddenly become a scarse resource. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgpBS0yOU6FkI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Future developer
On Saturday 01 July 2006 00:31, Seemant Kulleen wrote: Paul, Congratulations! What did you and your wife name him? When exactly was he born, etc? Give us details!! :) Official name: Tom Wei Calling name: Tom Last name: de Vrieze Gender: male Nationality: Dutch and Chinese (PRC) Birthdate: 26-06-2006 Time of Birth: 10:22am (Netherlands time) Place of Birth: Radboud University Hospital (Nijmegen) For visual details, take a look at the pictures :-) Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp4wHRHlJgCp.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev-announce list
Donnie Berkholz wrote: My options are either missing important announcements or creating this list. I would prefer the list. What important announcements are you expecting to find at the bottom 50-100 posts of random relevance? The announcements are at the top, being the thing that triggered the discussion. :P Any conclusions that are accidentally stumbled over during this process are (at least they should be) posted as a new thread, so the fun can begin again. --de. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [experiment] Sunrise try 2
Luca Barbato wrote: Add support for QA checkers clientside and serverside (there are precommit hooks you can use for that) That way we will avoid those smart problems as described in irc long ago. Yeah this is now supported, the script has been greatly improved by shillelagh, thanks go to him. It is now named sunrise-commit. We are always working on improving it, so comments are welcome :) Serverside checks are overkill imo since we check that later ourselves when reviewing. It is also harder to implement in general and especially now because the administrator of the server, jokey, has exams this week. Best regards, Stefan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4
Chris Gianelloni wrote: OK, guys, I was speaking with vapier earlier about the possibility of getting gcc 4.1.1 stable for the 2006.1 release. We've managed to build some release media with it, and are planning on doing more testing with it. What we really need is for more people to test this on various platforms and to get all of the bugs worked out that we can. We're already ramping up our release cycle, and would like to get this included, so we don't have to wait until 2007 for a release with = GCC 4.1 in it. Should arch testers start working with 4.1.1 then? And do you want bugs to block #117482? --de. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117482 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev-announce list
Ryan Hill wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: My options are either missing important announcements or creating this list. I would prefer the list. What important announcements are you expecting to find at the bottom 50-100 posts of random relevance? The announcements are at the top, being the thing that triggered the discussion. :P Usually that is not the case, because most people don't just go and do stuff that should be discussedwithout mentioning it beforehand. The proposal or idea is at the top. It's then discussed, and a decision is made somewhere in the depths of the thread. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving
Luis Medinas wrote: There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty. Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this sub-herd ? cryos and markusle are still in ? I also am a crystallographer, as is one of our new recruits. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
