Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

2011-10-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:34:52 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
> > Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe
> > the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some
> > cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to
> > a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). 
> 
> Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-)
> 
> 

Some of the citizens in AlansUserland believe that's the culture.

Honest guv, I swear, it wasn't my doing!



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Alan McKinnnon
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

2011-10-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the
> many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures
> it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior
> (replies have to go through intermediaries). 

Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-)


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Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

2011-10-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:16:56 -0400
Matthew Finkel  wrote:

> I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic
> just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam.
> It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to
> the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you
> don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days
> to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we
> should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply).

Dealing with foreign users can be interesting, triply so if they are
not European/Caucasian.

I have about 150 or so technical users throughout Africa (Nigerians are
especially interesting) and their Support requests routinely end up in
spam folders. These are ISP employees, you'd think the mail lines would
work smoothly. 

Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the
many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures
it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior
(replies have to go through intermediaries). 

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com



[gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

2011-10-11 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote:

> Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100
> schrieb Mick :
>
> > On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote:
> > > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200
> > >
> > > schrieb Jonas de Buhr :
> > > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to
> > > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds
> > > > the behavior described above at least confusing?
> > > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.
> > >
> > > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that:
> > > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123
> >
> >
> > Interesting!
> >
> > Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as
> > we understand the question asked.  Not everyone is blessed with good
> > knowledge of the English language.
>
> i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my
> best to help as well.
>
> > The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have
> > similar problems.
>
> right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;)
> but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and
> info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions?
> it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the
> usual way of solving problems is a cycle of "i am trying to do X
> and receive error Y"->"hey, try Z"->"oh, now A happens"->"try B too"
> etc.
>
> > Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would
> > someone spam the list in this manner?  It doesn't make sense.
>
> my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post
> this comment in the first place.
> what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using
> the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as
> far as reporting it.
>
> > So I
> > am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a
> > cultural (or personal) issue.
>
> possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't
> go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with
> english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right)
> and how they react to "hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude".
> not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious.
>
>
>
I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just
seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It
definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other
suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is
going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because
the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer
(following Alan's last reply).

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Matthew Finkel