Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution Requirements
Am 13.01.2014 13:17, schrieb Jonathan Harley: . given that the OSM attribution is given equal prominence with their own Terms and their imagery attribution. (By the way, Alex and Eric from MapBox are members of this mailing list.) Surely should be given equal prominence with the map copyright holder's own attribution would be a better principle than put it in the corner. The relevant section of the ODbL is 4.3, I quote You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database. Note it says any Person not Persons that are curious enough to click on a link. :-). For practical reasons we are already suggesting a far more compact attribution string than suggested there for online maps and while we currently are not explicit about (real, not hypothetical) small screen devices you are unlikely going to find us complaining about reasonable solutions if you are really running out of screen real estate. Given that we have roughly 1'500'000 contracts that restrict us to distributing the data under the two explicitly named licences in the contributor terms, we cannot depart so far from the ODbL with our attribution suggestions that the result would amount to a different licence. Forgetting the legal issues, as long as we are not in Googles shoes where the default assumption is that any on screen map is from them, we need a clear mark of some kind on every use of OSM to drive the message home from a marketing perspective. At least people using OpenStreetMap data must be aware of it, and not as I've experienced a number of times, flatly refuse that this is the case. Back to the question of if we are not asking too much, a IMHO good example of what we want http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contact/spaces/ (a MapBox customer nota bene) , a example with a map from bing http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/our-business/locations/ , an example with a map from google http://www.baesystems.com/our-company-rzz/our-locations (switch to satellite and zoom in a bit). I think the conclusion must be that we are not asking for something unreasonable. Simon ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution Requirements
Am 14/gen/2014 um 10:54 schrieb Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: a IMHO good example of what we want http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contact/spaces/ no mention of ODbL and the attribution three screens after the map (on mobile, maybe this looks different on a desktop)? cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution Requirements
I don't actually get a map (tested with three different mobile browsers), now I don't think we want to take our requirements so far that we want OSM attribution on everything :-) Am 14.01.2014 12:38, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 14/gen/2014 um 10:54 schrieb Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: a IMHO good example of what we want http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contact/spaces/ no mention of ODbL and the attribution three screens after the map (on mobile, maybe this looks different on a desktop)? cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Corine Land Cover?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. Importing Corine is a big mistake for any OSM community. The best way to use Corine is to make a rendered Corine layer, and then use that to help with mapping. blablabla, always the same song. Like if a blank page is better than rough landuses... With this concept, OSM should have never started with Yahoo imagery... I've seen a Corine import in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the data is awful. Not only that, it makes mapping a nightmare for any beginner. Like any other contributions, you are free to delete old landuses and make new ones better. Just do it. Btw, mapping landuse is any way a nightmare, even for experimented contributors. I did. Did you ? Back to the OP, many data sources imported requires some acknowledgment. This is either on the polygons or in changeset comments. Even if it is removed from elements, you find it in the history. (it's even better in the changeset comment since it is permanent) Pieren ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution Requirements
Am 14.01.2014 14:28, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014/1/14 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch I don't actually get a map (tested with three different mobile browsers), now I don't think we want to take our requirements so far that we want OSM attribution on everything :-) it is one click away: That it likely simply a glitch, the desktop version still has a large map at the top of the screen, attribution and all. Simon ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution Requirements
On my mobile browser the attribution is between the Questions Feedback links and the Get Mozilla Updates box near the bottom of the page.It reads "Maps © byMapBoxandOpenStreetMapcontributors"-Kevin From: Simon PooleSent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:12 PMTo: Martin Koppenhoefer; Licensing and other legal discussions.Reply To: Licensing and other legal discussions.Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution Requirements Am 14.01.2014 14:28, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014/1/14 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch I don't actually get a map (tested with three different mobile browsers), now I don't think we want to take our requirements so far that we want OSM attribution on "everything" :-) it is one click away: That it likely simply a glitch, the desktop version still has a large map at the top of the screen, attribution and all. Simon ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Corine Land Cover?
Hi, From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com legal issues aside my concern is that Corine Data is not suitable technically for OSM: the resolution is too low and not compatible with the rest of our data. I don't want to import Corine Land Cover data. I would like the Wiki to be correct, though. So can we - theoretically - derive vector data from sources requiring (any form of) attribution and import the derived data into OSM? For example, can we use Corine Land Cover data? I think not, but I would be grateful to be tought something different. Greetings, pmsg ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Corine Land Cover?
2014/1/14 pmsg pmsg2...@yahoo.com can we use Corine Land Cover data? I think not, but I would be grateful to be tought something different. I think it depends on the country, AFAIK this is not one big dataset but several datasets, with different licensing according to the contributing country. Cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
