New LaTeX TeX Lyx user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Lyx lovers, I've had a long time interest in LaTeX TeX and Lyx, and finally made some time to dig into the software and learn how to write all my documents using this incredible program. Thank you for your efforts. Bryan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM03TTAAoJEHblvm1J+WqMp6IH/1KKCvXIybPKQzVCtV5rZ0JW 6szlgUDBJaEEssFn1HK4gTEtnxkbQluNtRJWgW72pISEWpQ+afG1tRoE85NDlKi8 ouw9foSQcyPbzka1vbX0XoD6wq7+GlgsZjggl3RjxnSTfnM1lvrj4+gg/ZzdQ7HV fxVA3wlwPeWWKccPU2kClslLEDG+07fNC0D6/8/6bAfAf6CVIs+DUzwDsbDy1EKj MlHv/GbhlMHdCW/209CtS6Cr37JinuRJJMW/KYVh8XIaev8IvAR2P5FgMrptrNJq KobbD0mBnymfZR4X8R7u33kaqU1ogmuXV21pAUmJVDt6yroGBh9i20bDSFbdggk= =7+/q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your problem or tell you what to do on demand. It doesn't always work out that way, though. Tough. You think you are owed an explanation of how everything you download and run works. That could be a mistake. These licenses generally state, "AS IS WITH NO WARRANTY OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE". Its usually printed all or in part in all captial letters. If there is something that you want to see happen in free software, and the developers who are working for free (or paid by someone else to work on it contrary to your interests) aren't doing it, or aren't doing it fast enough to suit you, and you cannot or will not do it yourself, you still have recourse. It works similarly to, but not quite the same as, the proprietary model. Pay someone to do it for you. Then you'll have someone obligated to put up with your whinging. That is not us. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/25/2013 01:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your problem or tell you what to do on demand. It doesn't always work out that way, though. Tough. You think you are owed an explanation of how everything you download and run works. That could be a mistake. These licenses generally state, "AS IS WITH NO WARRANTY OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE". Its usually printed all or in part in all captial letters. If there is something that you want to see happen in free software, and the developers who are working for free (or paid by someone else to work on it contrary to your interests) aren't doing it, or aren't doing it fast enough to suit you, and you cannot or will not do it yourself, you still have recourse. It works similarly to, but not quite the same as, the proprietary model. Pay someone to do it for you. Then you'll have someone obligated to put up with your whinging. That is not us. This is all the time I have for this reply. Which is the same amount of time you have to do anything other than to tell others what to do, as if they needed your advice. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.
On 10/25/2013 04:55 PM, gordon_cooper wrote: I quit I thought the very same thing, except 99% of the time the LYX list has interesting news, is genuinely helpful, and quitting only would only be a punishment to myself because the 1% hurt my delicate sensibilities. I'd rather have the cherry and spit out the pit, than not have any cherries at all because they have pits. All of the most interesting lists have flame wars. It isn't a sign that its time to quit. Its the sign that the project is mature enough to attract positive and negative attention. The Linux Kernel mailing list covers one of the most advanced free software projects of all time and is full of flames and all sorts. I love living in New Zealand, which is full of otherwise sensible people. You probably should have quit *silently* instead of making a show of it for sympathy posts. You make the rest of us look bad. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/26/2013 02:08 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: And that may be the origin of the problem, SINCE IN ALL CAPS IT IS PLAIN UNREADABLE AND THUS NO ONE WILL ACTUALLY READ IT. That's backwards. Its part of the solution. It doesn't matter if you read it or not, because it applies whether you read it or not. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
New LaTeX TeX Lyx user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Lyx lovers, I've had a long time interest in LaTeX TeX and Lyx, and finally made some time to dig into the software and learn how to write all my documents using this incredible program. Thank you for your efforts. Bryan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM03TTAAoJEHblvm1J+WqMp6IH/1KKCvXIybPKQzVCtV5rZ0JW 6szlgUDBJaEEssFn1HK4gTEtnxkbQluNtRJWgW72pISEWpQ+afG1tRoE85NDlKi8 ouw9foSQcyPbzka1vbX0XoD6wq7+GlgsZjggl3RjxnSTfnM1lvrj4+gg/ZzdQ7HV fxVA3wlwPeWWKccPU2kClslLEDG+07fNC0D6/8/6bAfAf6CVIs+DUzwDsbDy1EKj MlHv/GbhlMHdCW/209CtS6Cr37JinuRJJMW/KYVh8XIaev8IvAR2P5FgMrptrNJq KobbD0mBnymfZR4X8R7u33kaqU1ogmuXV21pAUmJVDt6yroGBh9i20bDSFbdggk= =7+/q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your problem or tell you what to do on demand. It doesn't always work out that way, though. Tough. You think you are owed an explanation of how everything you download and run works. That could be a mistake. These licenses generally state, "AS IS WITH NO WARRANTY OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE". Its usually printed all or in part in all captial letters. If there is something that you want to see happen in free software, and the developers who are working for free (or paid by someone else to work on it contrary to your interests) aren't doing it, or aren't doing it fast enough to suit you, and you cannot or will not do it yourself, you still have recourse. It works similarly to, but not quite the same as, the proprietary model. Pay someone to do it for you. Then you'll have someone obligated to put up with your whinging. That is not us. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/25/2013 01:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: snip We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your problem or tell you what to do on demand. It doesn't always work out that way, though. Tough. You think you are owed an explanation of how everything you download and run works. That could be a mistake. These licenses generally state, "AS IS WITH NO WARRANTY OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE". Its usually printed all or in part in all captial letters. If there is something that you want to see happen in free software, and the developers who are working for free (or paid by someone else to work on it contrary to your interests) aren't doing it, or aren't doing it fast enough to suit you, and you cannot or will not do it yourself, you still have recourse. It works similarly to, but not quite the same as, the proprietary model. Pay someone to do it for you. Then you'll have someone obligated to put up with your whinging. That is not us. This is all the time I have for this reply. Which is the same amount of time you have to do anything other than to tell others what to do, as if they needed your advice. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.
On 10/25/2013 04:55 PM, gordon_cooper wrote: I quit I thought the very same thing, except 99% of the time the LYX list has interesting news, is genuinely helpful, and quitting only would only be a punishment to myself because the 1% hurt my delicate sensibilities. I'd rather have the cherry and spit out the pit, than not have any cherries at all because they have pits. All of the most interesting lists have flame wars. It isn't a sign that its time to quit. Its the sign that the project is mature enough to attract positive and negative attention. The Linux Kernel mailing list covers one of the most advanced free software projects of all time and is full of flames and all sorts. I love living in New Zealand, which is full of otherwise sensible people. You probably should have quit *silently* instead of making a show of it for sympathy posts. You make the rest of us look bad. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/26/2013 02:08 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: And that may be the origin of the problem, SINCE IN ALL CAPS IT IS PLAIN UNREADABLE AND THUS NO ONE WILL ACTUALLY READ IT. That's backwards. Its part of the solution. It doesn't matter if you read it or not, because it applies whether you read it or not. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
New LaTeX TeX Lyx user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Lyx lovers, I've had a long time interest in LaTeX TeX and Lyx, and finally made some time to dig into the software and learn how to write all my documents using this incredible program. Thank you for your efforts. Bryan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM03TTAAoJEHblvm1J+WqMp6IH/1KKCvXIybPKQzVCtV5rZ0JW 6szlgUDBJaEEssFn1HK4gTEtnxkbQluNtRJWgW72pISEWpQ+afG1tRoE85NDlKi8 ouw9foSQcyPbzka1vbX0XoD6wq7+GlgsZjggl3RjxnSTfnM1lvrj4+gg/ZzdQ7HV fxVA3wlwPeWWKccPU2kClslLEDG+07fNC0D6/8/6bAfAf6CVIs+DUzwDsbDy1EKj MlHv/GbhlMHdCW/209CtS6Cr37JinuRJJMW/KYVh8XIaev8IvAR2P5FgMrptrNJq KobbD0mBnymfZR4X8R7u33kaqU1ogmuXV21pAUmJVDt6yroGBh9i20bDSFbdggk= =7+/q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your problem or tell you what to do on demand. It doesn't always work out that way, though. Tough. You think you are owed an explanation of how everything you download and run works. That could be a mistake. These licenses generally state, "AS IS WITH NO WARRANTY OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE". Its usually printed all or in part in all captial letters. If there is something that you want to see happen in free software, and the developers who are working for free (or paid by someone else to work on it contrary to your interests) aren't doing it, or aren't doing it fast enough to suit you, and you cannot or will not do it yourself, you still have recourse. It works similarly to, but not quite the same as, the proprietary model. Pay someone to do it for you. Then you'll have someone obligated to put up with your whinging. That is not us. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/25/2013 01:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/24/13 5:13 PM, Bryan Baldwin wrote: On 10/25/2013 05:32 AM, Ken Springer wrote: We know your argument. Seriously, We've heard it everywhere all the time...end-less-ly. Everybody wishes that their software was robust with magic documentation and free specialists that will fix your problem or tell you what to do on demand. It doesn't always work out that way, though. Tough. You think you are owed an explanation of how everything you download and run works. That could be a mistake. These licenses generally state, "AS IS WITH NO WARRANTY OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE". Its usually printed all or in part in all captial letters. If there is something that you want to see happen in free software, and the developers who are working for free (or paid by someone else to work on it contrary to your interests) aren't doing it, or aren't doing it fast enough to suit you, and you cannot or will not do it yourself, you still have recourse. It works similarly to, but not quite the same as, the proprietary model. Pay someone to do it for you. Then you'll have someone obligated to put up with your whinging. That is not us. This is all the time I have for this reply. Which is the same amount of time you have to do anything other than to tell others what to do, as if they needed your advice. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why People Give Up on Groups.
On 10/25/2013 04:55 PM, gordon_cooper wrote: I quit I thought the very same thing, except 99% of the time the LYX list has interesting news, is genuinely helpful, and quitting only would only be a punishment to myself because the <1% hurt my delicate sensibilities. I'd rather have the cherry and spit out the pit, than not have any cherries at all because they have pits. All of the most interesting lists have flame wars. It isn't a sign that its time to quit. Its the sign that the project is mature enough to attract positive and negative attention. The Linux Kernel mailing list covers one of the most advanced free software projects of all time and is full of flames and all sorts. I love living in New Zealand, which is full of otherwise sensible people. You probably should have quit *silently* instead of making a show of it for sympathy posts. You make the rest of us look bad. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: why people give up on open source software
On 10/26/2013 02:08 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: And that may be the origin of the problem, SINCE IN ALL CAPS IT IS PLAIN UNREADABLE AND THUS NO ONE WILL ACTUALLY READ IT. That's backwards. Its part of the solution. It doesn't matter if you read it or not, because it applies whether you read it or not. -- 0xCCE82347.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
