Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

2015-08-01 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Yes.
/A
 31 juli 2015 kl. 20:56 skrev Chris challswor...@icloud.com:
 
 Hi
 I didn't have this problem this morning, I may do in subsequent submissions 
 we'll see. Are you on the latest public beta?
 
 On 31/07/2015 12:41, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 THe only thing i found to be very strange is that the feedback assistant 
 seems to complain about missing attached files even if you have attached 
 them.
 I don’t know if its me doing something wrong or if its a bug in the feedback 
 assistant itself.
 /A
 31 juli 2015 kl. 09:26 skrev christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com:
 
 Hi all
 I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
 While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
 anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
 prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback 
 Assistant apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! 
 enrol in future public betas, rather than renew my developer account with 
 Apple as I find the bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with 
 the public beta program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the 
 right price smile.
 For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
 Happy hacking!
 
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

2015-08-01 Thread Devin Prater
People keep thinking Apple should put Siri in os X. I'll say this. Have any of 
you done dictation? I mean, having an audio file that you have to turn to text? 
I think I can safely say that people tend to type faster on a physical keyboard 
than they can talk., 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:27 AM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Yes.
 /A
 31 juli 2015 kl. 20:56 skrev Chris challswor...@icloud.com:
 
 Hi
 I didn't have this problem this morning, I may do in subsequent submissions 
 we'll see. Are you on the latest public beta?
 
 On 31/07/2015 12:41, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 THe only thing i found to be very strange is that the feedback assistant 
 seems to complain about missing attached files even if you have attached 
 them.
 I don’t know if its me doing something wrong or if its a bug in the 
 feedback assistant itself.
 /A
 31 juli 2015 kl. 09:26 skrev christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com:
 
 Hi all
 I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
 While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
 anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this 
 is prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback 
 Assistant apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! 
 enrol in future public betas, rather than renew my developer account with 
 Apple as I find the bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so 
 with the public beta program. Best of all, the public beta program is at 
 the right price smile.
 For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
 Happy hacking!
 
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RE: QuickNav Commands question

2015-08-01 Thread george b
It is built in

Push both the left and right arrows at the same time and you get quick nav on 
and the same for off

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To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: QuickNav Commands question

I would like to set a single key toggle to turn quickNav  on and off. I 
understand how to set up quickNav and keyboard commanders and have successfully 
done both.  But I cannot locate a command for  toggling quickNav on or off.  Am 
I missing something or does this  command not exist?

A second related question, when adding QN commands there is a checkbox for 
enabling/disabling the left/right arrow key toggle. If one disables that, what 
is the alternative?  Thank you.

Sandy   

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QuickNav Commands question

2015-08-01 Thread Sandy Finley
I would like to set a single key toggle to turn quickNav  on and off. I 
understand how to set up quickNav and keyboard commanders and have successfully 
done both.  But I cannot locate a command for  toggling quickNav on or off.  Am 
I missing something or does this  command not exist?

A second related question, when adding QN commands there is a checkbox for 
enabling/disabling the left/right arrow key toggle. If one disables that, what 
is the alternative?  Thank you.

Sandy   

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Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-01 Thread Stacey Robinson
Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
 that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to check 
or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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I’ve left in the above Mistakes so you can see  what I mean.

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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-01 Thread Alex Hall
Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace key 
does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple different 
things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, which is why it 
will repeat the same character over and over if you hit left arrow, then right, 
then left, then right… You keep moving past the same thing, and VO reports 
exactly that. Once you get it, this system makes more sense, at least to me. 
You can configure it differently, but I honestly get confused when I try to use 
Windows screen readers nowadays, since I am more easily lost in the text than I 
am on the Mac or iOS.

If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility with 
vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then vo-right to the 
list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or tab until you find 
the while typing speak popup. Hit vo-space, use the arrows to choose speak 
text to the right of the cursor, then vo-space to confirm. You may now close 
the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what you want; if not, something else 
may have been configured on your old Mac that I'm not thinking of.
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
 I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
 check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
   
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 I’ve left in the above Mistakes so you can see  what I mean.
 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Devin Prater
Sounds fair enough, Ray. I didn't mean at all for non-testers to be driven away 
from the next release, rather, to be careful with the betas. The new list will 
be a great relief, and indeed a learning experience, for plenty of testers. I 
was going to give it a shot, making a group, but I'd not want to run a first 
group and then make a mistake that will undo work the group was meant to do.
 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I'm very much afraid it would not.  I'd prefer your original suggestion for a 
 separate group.  The reason is that bugs would reveal or might reveal details 
 that really we should not be going in to.  Also, we don't want to run the 
 risk of scaring non testers in to thinking that what they will install in the 
 fall is all riddled with nothing but problems now do we?  Why, of course not. 
  Tell yuh what.  I shall wait three days from now.  IF by the evening of this 
 coming Monday, August 03 2015, no one has started such a group, I shall 
 myself undertake the venture.  Most likely, it will be a google group for the 
 sake of consistency.  The google group management interface is so much better 
 now than it used to be that I feel comfortable giving it a go.
 
 What say the rest of y'all:  especially my fellow testers?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Well, I propose that bug-related materials can and should be spoken about, 
 but no new features. Would that be a good middle ground?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:11 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
 
  It was suggested more than once but no one wanted to take the lead. *sighs*
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 8/1/2015 4:09 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group,
 anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs*
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net
 mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com
 mailto:d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El
 Capitan? I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same
 in beta 2. ?
 
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apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-01 Thread Aleeha Dudley
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-01 Thread Stacey Robinson
No Alex that was the checkbox I needed.
Thanks.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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 On Aug 1, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I think I'm missing something. Backspace will *always* do that, there's no 
 easy way of altering that. Right now, if I type the letter T and then 
 backspace, that T is gone and VoiceOver says T along with a beep (the beep 
 only because I have sounds enabled for deleting). What happens when you hit 
 backspace? To be clear, we're talking about the key above the backslash and 
 below F12 and Eject, right? You can do a forward delete, but you have to 
 press ctrl-d, and I doubt that's the keystroke you're using. 
 
  You can On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Alex If I check this box, when I backspace will it delete the letter or 
 number I just typed?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace 
 key does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple 
 different things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, 
 which is why it will repeat the same character over and over if you hit 
 left arrow, then right, then left, then right… You keep moving past the 
 same thing, and VO reports exactly that. Once you get it, this system makes 
 more sense, at least to me. You can configure it differently, but I 
 honestly get confused when I try to use Windows screen readers nowadays, 
 since I am more easily lost in the text than I am on the Mac or iOS.
 
 If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility 
 with vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then 
 vo-right to the list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or 
 tab until you find the while typing speak popup. Hit vo-space, use the 
 arrows to choose speak text to the right of the cursor, then vo-space to 
 confirm. You may now close the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what you 
 want; if not, something else may have been configured on your old Mac that 
 I'm not thinking of.
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
 I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
 check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 I’ve left in the above Mistakes so you can see  what I mean.
 
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

2015-08-01 Thread Sean Murphy
With the current technology level for speech recognition it is true. With the 
improvements being done, I don’t think this will be the case in the future.

Sean 
 On 2 Aug 2015, at 2:04 am, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 People keep thinking Apple should put Siri in os X. I'll say this. Have any 
 of you done dictation? I mean, having an audio file that you have to turn to 
 text? I think I can safely say that people tend to type faster on a physical 
 keyboard than they can talk., 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:27 AM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Yes.
 /A
 31 juli 2015 kl. 20:56 skrev Chris challswor...@icloud.com:
 
 Hi
 I didn't have this problem this morning, I may do in subsequent submissions 
 we'll see. Are you on the latest public beta?
 
 On 31/07/2015 12:41, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 THe only thing i found to be very strange is that the feedback assistant 
 seems to complain about missing attached files even if you have attached 
 them.
 I don’t know if its me doing something wrong or if its a bug in the 
 feedback assistant itself.
 /A
 31 juli 2015 kl. 09:26 skrev christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com:
 
 Hi all
 I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my 
 devices. While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the 
 program which anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. 
 Note! Since this is prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart. 
  The Feedback Assistant apps that come with the program is awesome! I 
 will definitely! enrol in future public betas, rather than renew my 
 developer account with Apple as I find the bug reporting system on there 
 to be clunky. Not so with the public beta program. Best of all, the 
 public beta program is at the right price smile.
 For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
 Happy hacking!
 
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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-01 Thread Stacey Robinson
Alex If I check this box, when I backspace will it delete the letter or number 
I just typed?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace 
 key does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple 
 different things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, which 
 is why it will repeat the same character over and over if you hit left arrow, 
 then right, then left, then right… You keep moving past the same thing, and 
 VO reports exactly that. Once you get it, this system makes more sense, at 
 least to me. You can configure it differently, but I honestly get confused 
 when I try to use Windows screen readers nowadays, since I am more easily 
 lost in the text than I am on the Mac or iOS.
 
 If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility 
 with vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then vo-right 
 to the list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or tab until 
 you find the while typing speak popup. Hit vo-space, use the arrows to 
 choose speak text to the right of the cursor, then vo-space to confirm. You 
 may now close the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what you want; if not, 
 something else may have been configured on your old Mac that I'm not thinking 
 of.
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
 I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
 check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Devin Prater
Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group, 
anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs* 

Sent from my iPhone

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 Sincerely,
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 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
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 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
 I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I believe there does not yet exist such a group.  However, you asked this in a 
group which consists of individuals NOT involved in the public beta.  Now, if 
you are suggesting there should be a group as a kind of spin-off of Mac 
Vissionaries where testers can feel free to discuss such matters, I entirely 
agree with you.  Indeed, I feel very  strongly that one should indeed exist.
,
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 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group, 
 anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs* 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net 
 mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
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 mailto:d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
 I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
 
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youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-01 Thread Jessica Moss
I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love it, 
but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do anything are 
all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to convert these videos 
becoming fewer?   

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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I'm very much afraid it would not.  I'd prefer your original suggestion for a 
separate group.  The reason is that bugs would reveal or might reveal details 
that really we should not be going in to.  Also, we don't want to run the risk 
of scaring non testers in to thinking that what they will install in the fall 
is all riddled with nothing but problems now do we?  Why, of course not.  Tell 
yuh what.  I shall wait three days from now.  IF by the evening of this coming 
Monday, August 03 2015, no one has started such a group, I shall myself 
undertake the venture.  Most likely, it will be a google group for the sake of 
consistency.  The google group management interface is so much better now than 
it used to be that I feel comfortable giving it a go.

What say the rest of y'all:  especially my fellow testers?


Sincerely,
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 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Well, I propose that bug-related materials can and should be spoken about, 
 but no new features. Would that be a good middle ground?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:11 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
 
  It was suggested more than once but no one wanted to take the lead. *sighs*
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 8/1/2015 4:09 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group,
 anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs*
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net
 mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
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 mailto:d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El
 Capitan? I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same
 in beta 2. ?
 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Devin Prater
And what did my question have to do with features of the next OS? Nothing at 
all. I asked about a bug that had nothing to do with any new feature. Indeed, 
my question should be a warning to anyone not running the beta to not jump in 
halfheartedly. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I believe there does not yet exist such a group.  However, you asked this in 
 a group which consists of individuals NOT involved in the public beta.  Now, 
 if you are suggesting there should be a group as a kind of spin-off of Mac 
 Vissionaries where testers can feel free to discuss such matters, I entirely 
 agree with you.  Indeed, I feel very  strongly that one should indeed exist.
 ,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group, 
 anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs* 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
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 On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El 
 Capitan? I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in 
 beta 2. ?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in email address book

2015-08-01 Thread Christine Grassman
Oh, excellent. Thank you so very much.
 On Jul 31, 2015, at 3:15 PM, 'Colin Matthews' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Hi!
 OK when in mail press either VO+m or Control+f2 to get to the menu.
 Then W to get to the window menu then arrow down to Previous Recipients and 
 press enter.
 You should end up in a edit field just arrow right and you should find a 
 table of all people you've emailed go in to it and just press delete on any 
 you do not wish to keep!
 HTH Colin
 On 31 Jul 2015, at 18:23, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I tried several times, but it is still showing up. Very frustrating.
 Christine
 
 On Jul 31, 2015, at 12:26 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Open mail and a new email
 Type in the name  and select the one you want to at this time send a mail to
 Now when selected interact and do a command a to select all and then hit 
 the backspace and it should disappear from the to edit field and stop 
 interacting with the edit field
 Close mail and re open and new mail and test it should be gone
 
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 Subject: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in 
 email address book
 
 Good day/night all:
 
 I have (apparently) deleted a particular contact from both my iPhone and 
 MacBook’s Contacts. Presumably, having done so, iCloud will sync the change 
 properly.  However, when I start typing in the email address of the 
 recently deleted contact, it is still popping up, complete with the name of 
 the contact I designated. I want to ensure it is completely deleted, 
 because the person is not receiving my emails, even though the email 
 address is correct, I and she are reliably receiving emails from others, 
 and emails sent to her and copied to others are getting through to the 
 others.  We cannot fathom why I can receive emails from her, but she cannot 
 receive them from me. Someone did check to ensure she did not inadvertently 
 block my email address.
 Please help. I frequently need to send her emails. This is both a problem 
 on my MacBook Air and iPhone. When I do a search of Contacts, her 
 information is gone. I am at a loss.
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has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Devin Prater
Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? I'm 
wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  

Sent from my iPhone

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Hands-on with Mail 9 in El Capitan: Improved full-screen support, swipe gestures, and more | Macworld

2015-08-01 Thread Mary Otten
Here is a link to an article in mac world that talks about the new Apple mail 
in the next version of iOS 10. I wonder how these gestures are going to work 
with voiceover, since they are already taken by voice over.
Mary

http://www.macworld.com/article/2953839/os-x/hands-on-with-mail-9-in-el-capitan-improved-full-screen-support-swipe-gestures-and-more.html#tk.nl_mwdaily

Hands-on with Mail 9 in El Capitan: Improved full-screen support, swipe 
gestures, and more

Mail is one of those apps most of us take for granted. It’s one of the first 
apps we configure when setting up a Mac. In El Capitan, that foundational app 
experience is the same—what’s more, Apple has introduced big improvements to 
Mail 9 that make it easier to work on and do more with your messages.

Much more robust full-screen support and swipe gestures are two of Mail 9’s 
most noticeable visual changes. That’s not all: Improved data detectors make it 
easier to add events to your calendar and contacts to your contact database. 
There are other under the hood improvements to make it easier to find what you 
need and act on it.

Full-screen support and gestures

Full-screen support in Mail 9 makes it easier to juggle multiple email 
messages. Let’s say you’re composing an email and you want to check another 
message or copy something from it. The email message you’re composing now moves 
to the bottom of the screen, so you can access your email inbox, copy text or 
attachments from other messages, and more.


Messages you’re working on slide down to the bottom effortlessly in full-screen 
mode.

It’s also easier to manage more than one email conversation at the same time. 
You can switch between active email threads using tabs, just like in Safari. 
And those tabs slide to the bottom of the full-screen Mail window, just like a 
single message. It’s less clutter to deal with while you look for other 
important messages, copy content from them, find relevant attachments and more.

Mail 9’s improved gesture support will be comfortable to anyone who also uses 
an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch. On a Mac equipped with a Magic Mouse or a 
trackpad (either a built-in one on a Mac laptop or a Magic Trackpad), you can 
use the same gestures you’re accustomed to on iOS: Swipe left to delete a 
message, swipe right to mark it as read.


Swipe right to mark messages as unread, just like on iOS.

You’re probably already familiar with data detectors: if you move your mouse 
over a date and time, for example, you may see a popup appear to add that as a 
calendar item. You can add contacts the same way. Data detectors get a little 
more front and center with Mail 9: Mail adds banners in between the address 
field and the body of the message with data it’s detected and possible actions 
to take.

For example, if Mail 9 recognizes that someone’s asking to get together, it’ll 
list the event as an option you can add to your calendar. And if the message is 
from someone who’s not already in your address book, you can easily add them to 
your contacts database the same way.

Mail 9 helps to provide more actionable intelligence even faster. It doesn’t 
take long for muscle memory to kick in: Before you know it, you’ll 
automatically check that spot in the message for action items. Grouping 
calendar and contact actions together gives you a bullseye to see where you 
need to be, at what time, and with whom.


Mail detects what’s going on and offers to make a calendar event quickly and 
easily.

Other changes

Apple emphasizes natural language search in El Capitan beginning with 
Spotlight, OS X’s system-wide search function. You look for a file the same way 
you would if you were using Siri, in your own words. Natural language search 
isn’t limited only to Spotlight. It’s come to Mail’s search functionality, too.

Expect to spend less time fighting with Mail search function to get the results 
you want. Just write, “Show me emails with ‘El Capitan’ in the subject line” 
and expect to get what you asked for.

Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) is one of the most popular ways to 
access email. It’s how iCloud and many other popular email services work. Apple 
has shored up the IMAP support in Mail with a new engine that it says is up to 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Surely you know that we cannot answer that.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

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 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
 I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread E.T.
   It was suggested more than once but no one wanted to take the lead. 
*sighs*


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On 8/1/2015 4:09 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group,
anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs*

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Surely you know that we cannot answer that.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El
Capitan? I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-01 Thread Devin Prater
Well, I propose that bug-related materials can and should be spoken about, but 
no new features. Would that be a good middle ground?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:11 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
 
   It was suggested more than once but no one wanted to take the lead. *sighs*
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 8/1/2015 4:09 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group,
 anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs*
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-01 Thread Alex Hall
I think I'm missing something. Backspace will *always* do that, there's no easy 
way of altering that. Right now, if I type the letter T and then backspace, 
that T is gone and VoiceOver says T along with a beep (the beep only because 
I have sounds enabled for deleting). What happens when you hit backspace? To be 
clear, we're talking about the key above the backslash and below F12 and Eject, 
right? You can do a forward delete, but you have to press ctrl-d, and I doubt 
that's the keystroke you're using. 

 You can On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:
 
 Alex If I check this box, when I backspace will it delete the letter or 
 number I just typed?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
   
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 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace 
 key does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple 
 different things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, 
 which is why it will repeat the same character over and over if you hit left 
 arrow, then right, then left, then right… You keep moving past the same 
 thing, and VO reports exactly that. Once you get it, this system makes more 
 sense, at least to me. You can configure it differently, but I honestly get 
 confused when I try to use Windows screen readers nowadays, since I am more 
 easily lost in the text than I am on the Mac or iOS.
 
 If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility 
 with vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then vo-right 
 to the list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or tab until 
 you find the while typing speak popup. Hit vo-space, use the arrows to 
 choose speak text to the right of the cursor, then vo-space to confirm. 
 You may now close the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what you want; if 
 not, something else may have been configured on your old Mac that I'm not 
 thinking of.
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
 I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
 check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
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 I’ve left in the above Mistakes so you can see  what I mean.
 
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