Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 4 Sep 2016, at 11:55, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 3 Sep 2016, at 12:24, Gary Hull wrote: Customers may be in for a surprise if the proprietor kicks the bucket. MailMate itself has a bus factor = 1, but hey, we love it. Runbox and Fastmail appear to have a bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has a bus factor = 100,000, which is also its aggravation factor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor I didn't know this expression, but I'm also not sure I like to think about the likelihood of being hit by a bus ;-) The basic question "What happens if gets hit by a bus" was around in the UK at least as far back as the 1970s, but the idea of a numeric factor is new to me. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 3 Sep 2016, at 12:24, Gary Hull wrote: Customers may be in for a surprise if the proprietor kicks the bucket. MailMate itself has a bus factor = 1, but hey, we love it. Runbox and Fastmail appear to have a bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has a bus factor = 100,000, which is also its aggravation factor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor I didn't know this expression, but I'm also not sure I like to think about the likelihood of being hit by a bus ;-) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 3 Sep 2016, at 5:24, Gary Hull yh82d7...@yandex.com wrote: Glad to hear it. You can set up aliases for accounts on runbox, which might help you. The migration process is described somewhere on Benny's site, but as I remember you need to do something related to the Gmail tags (if you're using them), and make sure that all mail is in a particular Gmail mailbox (I think you have to move everything from the Inbox into that mailbox, if I remember correctly). Then you make an account in MailMate and sync. You've probably already done this part. Then at Runbox you make an account and make an account for that in MailMate. Finally in MailMate you select all emails in the Gmail account and drag them to the Runbox account. Then you wait, and depending on how many emails you have at Google it could be a couple of days. When it's all done, Google has help somewhere on how to liquidate and close you Gmail account. As for alternative to Runbox, when I investigated, there was only Fastmail (and Gmail) if you want to use your own domain, which is recommended, since you own it and can move it later, and you want a bus factor > 1. All those other places are single-programmer projects, and some of those guys are up there in years. Customers may be in for a surprise if the proprietor kicks the bucket. MailMate itself has a bus factor = 1, but hey, we love it. Runbox and Fastmail appear to have a bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has a bus factor = 100,000, which is also its aggravation factor. Thank for the info. I'm still researching Runbox, one concern I haven't cleared yet is Calendars. I have calendars associated with some of my gmail accounts and I need to find out if Runbox sub accounts can each have their own calendar. I presume they can but need to be certain. I have all my various calendars feed into Busycal on the Mac & Fantastical on iOS, and its a critical part of my workflow. I could leave the calendars where they are but I really don't like the idea of having calendars and emails on too many platforms and since the calendars are logically tied to the email address I want to keep them together. Thanks for the migration info, I do appreciate it. Fastmail just will be too expensive at $50 a year per 'user' which I interpret to be email address. Runbox is quite economical for all it offers. The aliases are a nice feature that I most likely won't use, nor will I use my own domain name. Other than two specific gmail address's to two specific companies, no one knows my real email address's. I have my domains hosted at GoDaddy but not my email The Domains come with a plethora of 'aliases'. So much my email has a sender that is actually an alias with GoDaddy. I can change my actual email provider and then just change where the GoDaddy aliases point and no one sees that I have changed anything. I also use a product called Sneakemail which essentially provides email redirection like GoDaddy but with a unique email address. Like the one I use exclusively for this forum). In fact every vendor I deal with, personal or business gets a unique Sneakemail address from me. so they are the only company or person with that address. If I start getting spam on that address I know either their address book has been compromised or sold. Either way I generate a new address for them, update it with them, and then delete the address being spammed or sometimes I just set it to bounce if I want to maintain an audit trail. As of today I have 1402 unique email address's via Sneakemail, which sound horrendous but Sneakemail provides what, IMHO is an excellent minimalist interface and database to manage these address's. Even my non-technical wife is able to use it with no issues. So I almost never see any spam and when I do I am able to deal with it in a couple minutes. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 3 Sep 2016, at 2:11, Richard Rettke wrote: On 2 Sep 2016, at 2:08, Gary Hull yh82d7...@yandex.com wrote: I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted there) Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and Yandex. Life is so much simpler now. Thanks for the info Gary, Runbox looks promising. If it meets my needs I don't mind paying for it. I'm going to give the free trial a go. Glad to hear it. You can set up aliases for accounts on runbox, which might help you. The migration process is described somewhere on Benny's site, but as I remember you need to do something related to the Gmail tags (if you're using them), and make sure that all mail is in a particular Gmail mailbox (I think you have to move everything from the Inbox into that mailbox, if I remember correctly). Then you make an account in MailMate and sync. You've probably already done this part. Then at Runbox you make an account and make an account for that in MailMate. Finally in MailMate you select all emails in the Gmail account and drag them to the Runbox account. Then you wait, and depending on how many emails you have at Google it could be a couple of days. When it's all done, Google has help somewhere on how to liquidate and close you Gmail account. As for alternative to Runbox, when I investigated, there was only Fastmail (and Gmail) if you want to use your own domain, which is recommended, since you own it and can move it later, _and_ you want a bus factor > 1. All those other places are single-programmer projects, and some of those guys are up there in years. Customers may be in for a surprise if the proprietor kicks the bucket. MailMate itself has a bus factor = 1, but hey, we love it. Runbox and Fastmail appear to have a bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has a bus factor = 100,000, which is also its aggravation factor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor The reason I chose Runbox over Fastmail is that I liked the documentation at Runbox better, and my single interaction with pre-sales support at Runbox brought an instant reply, and no reply from Fastmail. Probably a one-time glitch, but Runbox support since joining has been very good. Another factor is that Fastmail seems to be flirting with Gmail-style "improvements" to IMAP, if I understand their press announcements correctly. When you have a supported standard, no matter how much "better" an alternative version is, it's going to end up as nothing but headaches. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 19:46, Zivago Lee wrote: As mentioned, I did do this yesterday.. yet you said you did not receive them (it got sent to mm-feedback@). I'll just open a bug ticket with the attachment it made. That's fine too, but you are also welcome to try the `mm-feedback` address again. If it still doesn't work then at least it's a reproducible issue. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
As mentioned, I did do this yesterday.. yet you said you did not receive them (it got sent to mm-feedback@). I'll just open a bug ticket with the attachment it made. On 2 Sep 2016, at 10:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 2 Sep 2016, at 17:11, Zivago Lee wrote: Yes, it's in my Sent folder of my other regular IMAP account (that works properly). Got a direct email? I can reforward them? I would prefer a new set of logs as described in this email to the mailing list: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg06734.html I know several users still have problems with Gmail (also with r5260), but I cannot reproduce it myself and I haven't yet received a set of logs (as described in the linked email). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 19:11, Richard Rettke wrote: On 2 Sep 2016, at 2:08, Gary Hull yh82d7...@yandex.com wrote: I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted there) Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and Yandex. Life is so much simpler now. Thanks for the info Gary, Runbox looks promising. If it meets my needs I don't mind paying for it. I'm going to give the free trial a go. You can also find alternatives here: http://blog.freron.com/2013/alternative-email-providers/ -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 17:11, Zivago Lee wrote: Yes, it's in my Sent folder of my other regular IMAP account (that works properly). Got a direct email? I can reforward them? I would prefer a new set of logs as described in this email to the mailing list: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg06734.html I know several users still have problems with Gmail (also with r5260), but I cannot reproduce it myself and I haven't yet received a set of logs (as described in the linked email). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 2:08, Gary Hull yh82d7...@yandex.com wrote: I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted there) Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and Yandex. Life is so much simpler now. Thanks for the info Gary, Runbox looks promising. If it meets my needs I don't mind paying for it. I'm going to give the free trial a go. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
No problems for me over the night. I'm running Version 2.0BETA (6054) On 1 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:30, Kee Hinckley wrote: On 31 Aug 2016, at 12:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't really solve the problem. It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the attention of someone at Google. I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 9:13, Richard Rettke wrote: On 2 Sep 2016, at 2:08, Gary Hull yh82d7...@yandex.com wrote: Why deal with companies that treat you like a hacker and criminal and have no personal support? What is your time worth? The main reason I stay with gmail is that I have never found anyone else that will allow me to have 30+ gmail accounts many with a couple gigabytes of emails stored. I only have 10 tied into Mailmate and most of the others are 'retired', but even at that I've not found anyone offering 10 FREE email accounts, so it's less painful to stay with google than it is to switch. It's a Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) problem. Your time or what turns out to be not very much money per month. When you can get a reliable website hosting service which comes with unlimited email addresses for USD ~10 per month and 10 GB of space, I prefer to spend the money. That's avoiding the cheap and nasty providers. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Yes, it's in my Sent folder of my other regular IMAP account (that works properly). Got a direct email? I can reforward them? On 2 Sep 2016, at 0:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:58, Zivago Lee wrote: Weird.. it should have sent to the mm-feedback@ address. Is the email in your Sent Messages folder? (Maybe it's stuck in Drafts due to the Gmail issue which likely also affects SMTP.) In any case, see my most recent post on the list with regard to how to best create more data for me. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 9:08, Richard Rettke wrote: On 2 Sep 2016, at 1:53, Scott A. McIntyre mailm...@howyagoin.net wrote: After upgrading to the latest beta, and re-authenticating all of my accounts, the prompts have gone away. This may be a clue (or it may be nothing). I just installed and activated a VPN, a little over an hour before these google messages came rolling in. All of the messages listed the location of the 'culprit' as New York (I am in the midwest) and I know the VPN hides my actual location. So I'm just wondering if the perceived location change is what triggered google to balk. I'll leave the determination of that to those of you who understand this stuff better than I do. As previously stated I now assume it's a MailMate issue. Otherwise I also think there would be issues reported for other email clients (which I have not seen). But I still haven't gotten any logs as requested in my earlier email. Maybe it's somehow worse in the States :) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted there) Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and Yandex. Life is so much simpler now. Gmail gets hammered by all kinds of hacking schemes, so Google uses a high-false-positive algorithm. Any kind of forwarding or mail agent log-in situation is going to involve repeated web browser log-in requests to verify you. None of you guys are ever going to solve this problem. And it's not worth your time. AOL will break maybe twice a year. Yandex, never. Runbox: You're paying for it, you own it, it never breaks. Google is a nightmare. I still have to have one Gmail account to tie into Analytics and Webmaster Tools, but that's all. Why deal with companies that treat you like a hacker and criminal and have no personal support? What is your time worth? On 2 Sep 2016, at 15:46, Richard Rettke wrote: On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:02, Kee Hinckley k...@hinckley.com wrote: I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone else had any issues? I've been watching this thread since it started and feeling fortunate that I have not had any issues with 10 gmail accounts I have. So I'm sitting in front of my Mac when all of a sudden at 0127 i received emails and text messages from google on 5 of the accounts. The messages read as follows; _Hi Richard,_ _Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account xxx...@gmail.com, using an application such as an email client or mobile device._ _Details:_ _Friday, September 2, 2016 2:21 AM (Eastern Daylight Time)_ _New York, NY, USA*_ _Google stopped this sign-in attempt, but you should review your recently used devices:_ I'm not sure if this is the same message everyone else has been getting but now I'll deal with it. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 7:46, Kee Hinckley wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 12:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might not be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears that MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the keychain. I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;) FWIW, I just reconnected all my accounts (they'd gradually hit the error this morning) and they all connected just fine (none of them asked for a password, the existing tokens were fine) and are happy for now. The last time I tried that some of them got errors. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope it's okay in the morning. I'm glad it works for you (for now), but I don't like that I still don't have any idea what's going on... -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:58, Zivago Lee wrote: Weird.. it should have sent to the mm-feedback@ address. Is the email in your Sent Messages folder? (Maybe it's stuck in Drafts due to the Gmail issue which likely also affects SMTP.) In any case, see my most recent post on the list with regard to how to best create more data for me. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 2:08, Gary Hull yh82d7...@yandex.com wrote: Why deal with companies that treat you like a hacker and criminal and have no personal support? What is your time worth? I'm not familiar with some of those email vendors you mentioned so I'll have to check them out. The main reason I stay with gmail is that I have never found anyone else that will allow me to have 30+ gmail accounts many with a couple gigabytes of emails stored. I only have 10 tied into Mailmate and most of the others are 'retired', but even at that I've not found anyone offering 10 FREE email accounts, so it's less painful to stay with google than it is to switch. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 1:53, Scott A. McIntyre mailm...@howyagoin.net wrote: After upgrading to the latest beta, and re-authenticating all of my accounts, the prompts have gone away. This may be a clue (or it may be nothing). I just installed and activated a VPN, a little over an hour before these google messages came rolling in. All of the messages listed the location of the 'culprit' as New York (I am in the midwest) and I know the VPN hides my actual location. So I'm just wondering if the perceived location change is what triggered google to balk. I'll leave the determination of that to those of you who understand this stuff better than I do. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Hi, On 2 September 2016, at 1646, Richard Rettke wrote: On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:02, Kee Hinckley k...@hinckley.com wrote: I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone else had any issues? I've been watching this thread since it started and feeling fortunate that I have not had any issues with 10 gmail accounts I have. So I'm sitting in front of my Mac when all of a sudden at 0127 i received emails and text messages from google on 5 of the accounts. The messages read as follows; _Hi Richard,_ _Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account xxx...@gmail.com, using an application such as an email client or mobile device._ [ snip ] I also have a number of Gmail accounts configured for MailMate, and until this morning, no problem at all. Then, rather swiftly, all of my accounts started having the same issue as previously discussed by others. This leads me to believe that either Google had an "issue" with their OAuth token handling, or, they have been deploying something in different regions over the course of the last few days. One thing that triggered the same issue as you, Richard, was deployment of IPv6 support. Depending on $factors, sometimes my systems would be able to get an IPv6 connection to Gmail, other times it would only be IPv4 - but some IPv6 changes at my provider level also meant that every few hours I'd be getting a new /56 delegation (annoying) which resulted in lots of those sorts of messages. Not sure if that's in any way related to what's been going on with MailMate and Gmail the last few days -- my sense is that it's something at the Google end. After upgrading to the latest beta, and re-authenticating all of my accounts, the prompts have gone away. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:02, Kee Hinckley k...@hinckley.com wrote: I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone else had any issues? I've been watching this thread since it started and feeling fortunate that I have not had any issues with 10 gmail accounts I have. So I'm sitting in front of my Mac when all of a sudden at 0127 i received emails and text messages from google on 5 of the accounts. The messages read as follows; _Hi Richard,_ _Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account xxx...@gmail.com, using an application such as an email client or mobile device._ _Details:_ _Friday, September 2, 2016 2:21 AM (Eastern Daylight Time)_ _New York, NY, USA*_ _Google stopped this sign-in attempt, but you should review your recently used devices:_ I'm not sure if this is the same message everyone else has been getting but now I'll deal with it. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 12:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might not be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears that MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the keychain. I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;) FWIW, I just reconnected all my accounts (they'd gradually hit the error this morning) and they all connected just fine (none of them asked for a password, the existing tokens were fine) and are happy for now. The last time I tried that some of them got errors. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope it's okay in the morning. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Weird.. it should have sent to the mm-feedback@ address. On 1 Sep 2016, at 12:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:18, Zivago Lee wrote: You can both try the following to provide me with more data: Sent! I don't think I got the files? A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might not be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears that MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the keychain. I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:18, Zivago Lee wrote: You can both try the following to provide me with more data: Sent! I don't think I got the files? A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might not be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears that MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the keychain. I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Sent! On 1 Sep 2016, at 10:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 18:57, Zivago Lee wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 9:54, Steve Mayer wrote: I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the new build. Same here. You can both try the following to provide me with more data: * Open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0). * Wait for the issue to occur a couple of times. * Use “Help ▸ Send Server Logs”. You can also send me these files for me to try to find any common pattern: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Sources.plist ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Submission.plist Thanks in advance. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 18:57, Zivago Lee wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 9:54, Steve Mayer wrote: I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the new build. Same here. You can both try the following to provide me with more data: * Open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0). * Wait for the issue to occur a couple of times. * Use “Help ▸ Send Server Logs”. You can also send me these files for me to try to find any common pattern: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Sources.plist ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Submission.plist Thanks in advance. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Same here. On 1 Sep 2016, at 9:54, Steve Mayer wrote: I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the new build. -- Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com On 1 Sep 2016, at 9:16, Richard Evans wrote: It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the attention of someone at Google. I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you. -- Benny I’ve had the gmail login problem, too, but it seems that either your patch worked or Google fixed it at their end. So far no more login problem today. Richard ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the new build. -- Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com On 1 Sep 2016, at 9:16, Richard Evans wrote: It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the attention of someone at Google. I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you. -- Benny I’ve had the gmail login problem, too, but it seems that either your patch worked or Google fixed it at their end. So far no more login problem today. Richard ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the attention of someone at Google. I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you. -- Benny I’ve had the gmail login problem, too, but it seems that either your patch worked or Google fixed it at their end. So far no more login problem today. Richard ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
I have 8 gmail accounts and they were all misbehaving with login issues. The latest update has solved the problem for me. macosxguru ___ MacOSX Guru Email: macosxg...@gmail.com Twitter: @macosxguru Web: http://ipadpedia.net On 1 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:30, Kee Hinckley wrote: On 31 Aug 2016, at 12:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't really solve the problem. It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the attention of someone at Google. I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:30, Kee Hinckley wrote: On 31 Aug 2016, at 12:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't really solve the problem. It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the attention of someone at Google. I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 31 Aug 2016, at 12:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't really solve the problem. It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the attention of someone at Google. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 14:33, Steve Mayer wrote: Will you be making a Beta 2.0 as drop as well with the workaround? I'm experiencing this about 4 times a day. I don't yet have any feedback on whether the workaround actually works, but I've updated the 2.0 beta as well (hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now”). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Benny, Will you be making a Beta 2.0 as drop as well with the workaround? I'm experiencing this about 4 times a day. -- Steve Mayer smaye...@me.com On 1 Sep 2016, at 1:45, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 31 Aug 2016, at 21:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 31 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Kee Hinckley wrote: I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that the best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable the account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400 error. There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a Google bug. Maybe some attempt at spam limiting? This indicates that a possible workaround for MailMate is to wait longer between retries before reporting it as an error (but it's an annoying workaround, because it's non-deterministic). I've done this in this release: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5258.tbz By default, MailMate now waits 0, 20, 40, and 60 seconds before each retry. Every time MailMate gets a new so-called access token based on its refresh token. If this fails then MailMate still asks to re-authenticate the account in order to get a new refresh token. I haven't had much feedback on it yet and I'll appreciate if anyone having the Gmail issue could try it out and let me know whether or not it helps. Off list if you like. Based on reports, it does not seem like the number of Gmail accounts matter much, but there might be an indication that it is more likely to happen if multiple instances of MailMate accesses the same Gmail account... But this is pure guesswork. It also does not seem to matter if it's a free Gmail account or a business account. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 31 Aug 2016, at 21:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 31 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Kee Hinckley wrote: I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that the best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable the account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400 error. There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a Google bug. Maybe some attempt at spam limiting? This indicates that a possible workaround for MailMate is to wait longer between retries before reporting it as an error (but it's an annoying workaround, because it's non-deterministic). I've done this in this release: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5258.tbz By default, MailMate now waits 0, 20, 40, and 60 seconds before each retry. Every time MailMate gets a new so-called access token based on its refresh token. If this fails then MailMate still asks to re-authenticate the account in order to get a new refresh token. I haven't had much feedback on it yet and I'll appreciate if anyone having the Gmail issue could try it out and let me know whether or not it helps. Off list if you like. Based on reports, it does not seem like the number of Gmail accounts matter much, but there might be an indication that it is more likely to happen if multiple instances of MailMate accesses the same Gmail account... But this is pure guesswork. It also does not seem to matter if it's a free Gmail account or a business account. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 31 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Kee Hinckley wrote: I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that the best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable the account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400 error. There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a Google bug. Maybe some attempt at spam limiting? This indicates that a possible workaround for MailMate is to wait longer between retries before reporting it as an error (but it's an annoying workaround, because it's non-deterministic). It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't really solve the problem. It might be a limit on how many logins can be done within a certain time frame. Note these (year+ old) comments about issues with Google OAUTH2 with multiple accounts. Not sure if they are relevant. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30212728/google-oauth2-and-400-bad-request-bug-on-google-side http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30511843/google-oauth2-returns-bad-request-when-logged-with-multiple-accounts I'm not sure either, but they do indicate that the problem is unlikely to be that MailMate generates a bad request as reported by Google. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that the best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable the account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400 error. There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a Google bug. Maybe some attempt at spam limiting? Note these (year+ old) comments about issues with Google OAUTH2 with multiple accounts. Not sure if they are relevant. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30212728/google-oauth2-and-400-bad-request-bug-on-google-side http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30511843/google-oauth2-returns-bad-request-when-logged-with-multiple-accounts On 30 Aug 2016, at 23:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 31 Aug 2016, at 5:33, Kee Hinckley wrote: At this point it's pretty much unusable. I have to go through 2-4 password prompts for 4-6 accounts, and then an hour later, do it again. The latter indicates that it happens every time MailMate has to get a new access token. I'm not seeing this myself (2 accounts), but two tweets during the night (my night) indicates that you are not alone. This indicates that it's not an issue only on your machine. The logs only tell me that authentication repeatedly fails with a generic 400 error (I think the OAuth2 specification actually requires Google to be more specific, but I might be wrong). Such an issue currently triggers MailMate to re-authenticate the account since the problem could be that the wrong Gmail account has been used to authorize an IMAP account. (The most recent test release of MailMate does fix an OAuth2 related issue, but based on your logs then this is not related to your issue.) If it's still an issue then you might be able to fix it temporarily switching of OAuth2 in the IMAP account editor, but I don't recommend this as a general solution (and it might not work for you since Google does not allow it for all accounts). You can also try to reset anything MailMate knows about OAuth2 tokens for this account. Open the “Keychain Access” application and look for entries named like this: com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-* If you delete all of them then MailMate should ask for passwords (again), but it won't help if the problem is at Google's end. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
On 31 Aug 2016, at 5:33, Kee Hinckley wrote: At this point it's pretty much unusable. I have to go through 2-4 password prompts for 4-6 accounts, and then an hour later, do it again. The latter indicates that it happens every time MailMate has to get a new access token. I'm not seeing this myself (2 accounts), but two tweets during the night (my night) indicates that you are not alone. This indicates that it's not an issue only on your machine. The logs only tell me that authentication repeatedly fails with a generic 400 error (I think the OAuth2 specification actually requires Google to be more specific, but I might be wrong). Such an issue currently triggers MailMate to re-authenticate the account since the problem could be that the wrong Gmail account has been used to authorize an IMAP account. (The most recent test release of MailMate does fix an OAuth2 related issue, but based on your logs then this is not related to your issue.) If it's still an issue then you might be able to fix it temporarily switching of OAuth2 in the IMAP account editor, but I don't recommend this as a general solution (and it might not work for you since Google does not allow it for all accounts). You can also try to reset anything MailMate knows about OAuth2 tokens for this account. Open the “Keychain Access” application and look for entries named like this: com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-* If you delete all of them then MailMate should ask for passwords (again), but it won't help if the problem is at Google's end. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
At this point it's pretty much unusable. I have to go through 2-4 password prompts for 4-6 accounts, and then an hour later, do it again. On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Kee Hinckley wrote: > Here's a transcript for one of them. It took 4 trys to get it to stick. > Each time I entered the password, okayed authorization of MailMate, and > everything looked just fine--but a moment later it would pop up again. > > > 00:48:17 Handling reply > > 00:48:17 Running action > > 00:48:17 Sending request (48) > > 00:48:17 Handling request > > 00:48:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) > > 00:48:17 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): [Gmail]/Trash > > 00:48:17 Selecting mailbox: [Gmail]/Trash > > 00:48:17 C: D14 LIST "[Gmail]" "" > > 00:48:17 S: * LIST (\Noselect) "/" "/" > > 00:48:17 S: D14 OK Success > > 00:48:17 C: D15 SELECT "[Gmail]/Trash" (CONDSTORE) > > 00:48:17 S: * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen $NotPhishing > $Phishing) > > 00:48:17 S: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen > $NotPhishing $Phishing \*)] Flags permitted. > > 00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDVALIDITY 7] UIDs valid. > > 00:48:17 S: * 0 EXISTS > > 00:48:17 S: * 0 RECENT > > 00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDNEXT 592] Predicted next UID. > > 00:48:17 S: * OK [HIGHESTMODSEQ 36858] > > 00:48:17 S: D15 OK [READ-WRITE] [Gmail]/Trash selected. (Success) > > 00:48:17 Attempting fast synchronization. > > 00:48:17 C: D16 UID FETCH 592:* (UID) > > 00:48:17 S: D16 OK Success > > 00:48:17 Completed action (1003). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 > > > 00:48:17 Handling reply > > 00:50:17 Running action > > 00:50:17 Sending request (284) > > 00:50:17 Handling request > > 00:50:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) > > 00:50:17 Disconnecting > > 00:50:17 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)... > > 00:50:17 C: R17 LOGOUT > > 00:50:17 S: * BYE LOGOUT Requested > > 00:50:17 S: R17 OK 73 good day (Success) > > 00:50:17 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com > > 00:50:17 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 > > > 00:50:17 Handling reply > > 01:07:47 Running action > > 01:07:47 Sending request (7) > > 01:07:47 Handling request > > 01:07:47 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) > > 01:07:47 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): Misc > > 01:07:47 Selecting mailbox: Misc > > 01:07:47 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com > > 01:07:47 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork) > > 01:07:47 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com). > > 01:07:47 Successful connection. > > 01:07:47 Initiating secure connection... > > 01:07:47 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12 > > 01:07:47 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103 > se9mb6146865pac > > 01:07:47 C: D0 CAPABILITY > > 01:07:47 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST > CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN > AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH > > 01:07:47 S: D0 OK Thats all she wrote! se9mb6146865pac > > 01:07:47 Retrieving password (keychain or user request) > > 01:07:47 C: D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 •• > > 01:07:47 S: + eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJo > dHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ== > > 01:07:47 C: > > 01:07:47 S: D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure) > > 01:07:47 Error: Server response: “D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid > credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 > ••”. > > 01:07:47 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":" > Bearer","scope":"https://mail.google.com/"} > > 01:07:47 Error code: 11 > > 01:07:47 Failed action (1003). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 > > > 01:17:48 Handling reply > > 01:37:52 Running action > > 01:37:52 Sending request (566) > > 01:37:52 Handling request > > 01:37:52 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)... > > 01:37:52 C: R2 LOGOUT > > 01:37:52 S: * BYE Logout Requested se9mb6146865pac > > 01:37:52 S: R2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... se9mb6146865pac > > 01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com > > 01:37:52 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) > > 01:37:52 Disconnecting > > 01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com > > 01:37:52 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 > > > 01:37:52 Handling reply > > 02:09:38 Running action > > 02:09:38 Sending request (372) > > 02:09:38 Handling request > > 02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com > > 02:09:38 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) > > 02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com > > 02:09:38 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork) > > 02:09:38 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com). > > 02:09:38 Successful connection. > > 02:09:38 Initiating secure connection... > > 02:09:38 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12 > > 02:09:38 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103 > e5mb23194151oib > > 02:09:38 C: A0 CAPABILITY > > 02:09:38 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST > CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Here's a transcript for one of them. It took 4 trys to get it to stick. Each time I entered the password, okayed authorization of MailMate, and everything looked just fine--but a moment later it would pop up again. 00:48:17 Handling reply 00:48:17 Running action 00:48:17 Sending request (48) 00:48:17 Handling request 00:48:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) 00:48:17 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): [Gmail]/Trash 00:48:17 Selecting mailbox: [Gmail]/Trash 00:48:17 C: D14 LIST "[Gmail]" "" 00:48:17 S: * LIST (\Noselect) "/" "/" 00:48:17 S: D14 OK Success 00:48:17 C: D15 SELECT "[Gmail]/Trash" (CONDSTORE) 00:48:17 S: * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen $NotPhishing $Phishing) 00:48:17 S: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen $NotPhishing $Phishing \*)] Flags permitted. 00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDVALIDITY 7] UIDs valid. 00:48:17 S: * 0 EXISTS 00:48:17 S: * 0 RECENT 00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDNEXT 592] Predicted next UID. 00:48:17 S: * OK [HIGHESTMODSEQ 36858] 00:48:17 S: D15 OK [READ-WRITE] [Gmail]/Trash selected. (Success) 00:48:17 Attempting fast synchronization. 00:48:17 C: D16 UID FETCH 592:* (UID) 00:48:17 S: D16 OK Success 00:48:17 Completed action (1003). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 00:48:17 Handling reply 00:50:17 Running action 00:50:17 Sending request (284) 00:50:17 Handling request 00:50:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) 00:50:17 Disconnecting 00:50:17 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)... 00:50:17 C: R17 LOGOUT 00:50:17 S: * BYE LOGOUT Requested 00:50:17 S: R17 OK 73 good day (Success) 00:50:17 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com 00:50:17 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 00:50:17 Handling reply 01:07:47 Running action 01:07:47 Sending request (7) 01:07:47 Handling request 01:07:47 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) 01:07:47 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): Misc 01:07:47 Selecting mailbox: Misc 01:07:47 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com 01:07:47 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork) 01:07:47 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com). 01:07:47 Successful connection. 01:07:47 Initiating secure connection... 01:07:47 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12 01:07:47 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103 se9mb6146865pac 01:07:47 C: D0 CAPABILITY 01:07:47 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH 01:07:47 S: D0 OK Thats all she wrote! se9mb6146865pac 01:07:47 Retrieving password (keychain or user request) 01:07:47 C: D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 •• 01:07:47 S: + eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJodHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ== 01:07:47 C: 01:07:47 S: D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure) 01:07:47 Error: Server response: “D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••”. 01:07:47 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"Bearer","scope":" https://mail.google.com/"} 01:07:47 Error code: 11 01:07:47 Failed action (1003). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 01:17:48 Handling reply 01:37:52 Running action 01:37:52 Sending request (566) 01:37:52 Handling request 01:37:52 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)... 01:37:52 C: R2 LOGOUT 01:37:52 S: * BYE Logout Requested se9mb6146865pac 01:37:52 S: R2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... se9mb6146865pac 01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com 01:37:52 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) 01:37:52 Disconnecting 01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com 01:37:52 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 01:37:52 Handling reply 02:09:38 Running action 02:09:38 Sending request (372) 02:09:38 Handling request 02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com 02:09:38 Ready to run action (retry count: 0) 02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com 02:09:38 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork) 02:09:38 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com). 02:09:38 Successful connection. 02:09:38 Initiating secure connection... 02:09:38 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12 02:09:38 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103 e5mb23194151oib 02:09:38 C: A0 CAPABILITY 02:09:38 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH 02:09:38 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! e5mb23194151oib 02:09:38 Retrieving password (keychain or user request) 02:09:38 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 •• 02:09:39 S: + eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJodHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ== 02:09:39 C: 02:09:39 S: A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure) 02:09:39 Error: Server response: “A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILE
[MlMt] Google login issues?
I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone else had any issues? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate