Re: [MBZ] gift guide

[clay via Mercedes]

Those things are the BOMB!

I had the beads and sheep pelt on my BMW bike.   It really made long days in 
the saddle survivable.  No more dead butt when you got off the bike at the end 
of the day, let alone at a gas stop.   It allowed the pressure points to change 
as you adjusted instead of having a static plank.  A corbin saddle would have 
been nice, but for the cash, the beads did the job

clay

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No sh*t I always wanted to try one of those beaded seat covers. Is now the
> time or will I get pulled over for being a Muslim/terrorist cab driver?
> Are they any good?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> http://jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-gift-guide-for-car-people-
>> with-no-taste-1788671683
>> 
>> --FT
>> Winston Churchill:
>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
>> large or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
>> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Old School Metal gluing

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Comes with plenty of Witches and LEEDS!


clay via Mercedes 
November 21, 2016 at 10:05 PM
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bar/5855135464.html

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Re: [MBZ] gift guide

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You need 4 of the bead covers and 2 cases of the black ice lil  trees!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
November 21, 2016 at 10:13 PM
No sh*t I always wanted to try one of those beaded seat covers. Is now the
time or will I get pulled over for being a Muslim/terrorist cab driver?
Are they any good?


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Re: [MBZ] Old School Metal gluing

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It'll glue yer steal.


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http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bar/5855135464.html

It does look like a Silent Running droid, not R2D2



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Re: [MBZ] Cocaine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I suppose someone is already drooling over those archaic hubcaps.  At least
they were not out of place on an early W123 240D.

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Re: [MBZ] gift guide

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No sh*t I always wanted to try one of those beaded seat covers. Is now the
time or will I get pulled over for being a Muslim/terrorist cab driver?
Are they any good?

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> http://jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-gift-guide-for-car-people-
> with-no-taste-1788671683
>
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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[MBZ] Old School Metal gluing

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http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bar/5855135464.html

It does look like a Silent Running droid, not R2D2



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[MBZ] Cocaine

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Mercedes 240D original parts or buy all
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5886323799.html

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Costco was busy tonight, but no worse than maybe a busy weekend day.

Got back to the ranch and started in.  Got the bottom door trim, trunk badges, 
cowl panels, antenna grommet, door handles and windshield washer jets all 
installed, called it a night.

More tomorrow.

Dan

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> i went to Costco earlier, it was nearly insane.  Not quite as bad as before 
> the hurricane, but it was getting there.  I think there are a lot of Yankees 
> in town who are picking stuff up for the hol.  They were exhibiting Yankee 
> behavior.  It has been worse out here around me the last coupla days, I think 
> a lot of them are here for the week.
> 
> --FT
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

$0.50 acrylic craft paint from WallyWorld.  Hundreds of shades and cheap.  
Small brush, let it flow into the grooves, use a damp paper towel to carefully 
wipe the paint off the top.

Make a mistake?  Wipe it off, do it again.  If there’s a little overflow, let 
it dry and scrape it off with your fingernail.

Dan

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 9:23 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Dan has a much smoother hand than I do.  I did touch up to the badges using 
> nail polish.  It looked far too stark and outside the lines a little.  I 
> should have etched some to get it to stick better
> 
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[clay via Mercedes]

Dan has a much smoother hand than I do.  I did touch up to the badges using 
nail polish.  It looked far too stark and outside the lines a little.  I should 
have etched some to get it to stick better

clay

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You’re an extraordinary ignoramus?  
> 
> (Sorry, you walked into that one!)
> 
> I’m not dealing with a concours car here.  Something I want to look as nice 
> as the day it rolled off the boat.  The options are such that I could buy a 
> new one, which would be stupid expensive, or just touch mine up so it looks 
> nice.
> 
> This is a run of the mill, standard as they come, basic driver quality 300D.  
> I am not trying to make it concours level or to even come close.  Not sure 
> that what I’m doing breaks any conventions or is so abhorrent that people 
> couldn’t imagine doing something like this.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> I never heard of anyone doing this to a badge - and I am an MBCA 
>> multiple-concours winner for a W108 and aW109, sedans, and for a W111 
>> coupe..  Not to brag or anything, but just so you know I am no ordinary 
>> ignoramus.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ADD: hijacked Re: Let the...

[clay via Mercedes]

I wonder at the advertising response with the new president.  Will the multi 
ethnic models make way for more redheads?  We must remember, Gingers have no 
souls

clay


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:13 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here's another middle-of-the-road mantra:
> 
> "The pessimist complains about the wind;
> the optimist expects it to change;
> the realist adjusts the sails."
> 
> Gerry
> ~~~
> 
> For "peace of mind", the sincere middle of the political road, with a 
> jaundiced view of politics and politician in general, is the best horse to 
> ride IMO.
> The middle-of-the-roaders basic political philosophy is: 
> "America is a nation of the people, by the politicians, and for whichever 
> group can get its interests taken care of."
> Using that principle, what can you say about the current political situation?
> Gerry
> 
> Floyd Thursby wrote:
> 
>> I have too, even quit really reading the paper or watching the PBS news 
>> which I used to watch every evening (mostly because I hate the stupid 
>> commercial TV and it comes on at a convenient time).  I could let the 
>> obvious bias slide, it was just part of the package, but now it is more 
>> like propaganda and it is off-putting.  I see this whole thing being 
>> very corrosive, politics in general this year, to our social order.  I 
>> have family and friends who seriously are grieving over it all and are 
>> emotionally disrupted in thinking about it because sH->e didn't win (or 
>> won't get the electoral vote, sH->e apparently is ahead in straight 
>> votes so that has them in a tizzy too).  It's like a constant drain on 
>> their energy thinking about it and has them cranky and angry and sad and 
>> all the other stuff.
>> 
>> It really hurts me to see that, I don't really get it and wish I could 
>> somehow make it all go away and get them all back to the people I knew a 
>> month or two ago, even with the differences we had.  It is impossible to 
>> talk to them about it, I would have to be in mourning too to have a 
>> cry-fest or something and plot the revolution, Stand Strong against The 
>> Don or something.  And I was not particularly enamored with the "winner" 
>> so I didn't really have much enthusiasm for it all, but I am cast as 
>> "winner" (and racistbigothomophobexenophobemisogynist) too since I did 
>> not like H->er, and that puts me as an enemy or something.  It hurts.
>> 
>> I know 8 years ago there were a lot of people who were upset about the 
>> election outcome, and there was a fair amount of trash talk and such, 
>> but this time around it is way way more.  I don't recall nearly as much 
>> animosity and downright hatred as I am seeing here, even though there 
>> were some fairly settled opinions on the matter and some ongoing strong 
>> feelings and opposition. And the hatred is coming from people who just 
>> want us all to love one another and get along and such, except if we are 
>> on different "sides."  Perplexing.
>> 
>> I hope it all dies down in a few weeks, and life gets back to whatever 
>> passes for normal these days.  I doubt if it will, but I hope so, and I 
>> honestly hope the new guy sorta gets down to business such that it will 
>> be good for everyone, whatever their orientations, and the election 
>> trash talk subsides.  I was actually, for maybe the first time, quite 
>> pleased with BHO's pronouncements on the matter, it showed a fair amount 
>> of integrity on the issue.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/20/16 4:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I've decided I have to stop listening to NPR. As near as I can tell 
>>> everything else in the world has stopped since all they talk about is 
>>> Trump...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   From: Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Max Dillon 
>>>  Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:57 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
>>> 
>>> Please no!
>>> 
>>> I'm going to start a charity, donate in order to end discussions about 
>>> trump.
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
>> Winston Churchill:
>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
>> or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
>> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] We've sprung a leak

[clay via Mercedes]

I ran up to the PnP and scored three pans.  One from a TE, the other two W126.  
Fresh seal and a used pan.  Good as, used

clay

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Torque converter drained into the pan while it was sitting?  My wagon will do 
> that after sitting for weeks and weeks.  The normal ATF level in the pan is 
> below the pan lip seal, so no leaking, but if the torque converter drains 
> down into the pan, level goes over what the pan can contain and it can leak.
> 
> You may need a new pan to contain the leak.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On November 18, 2016 7:55:37 PM EST, clay via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> I did the ATF change a few days ago.  Took it for a drive, checked
>> level, got under and looked for leaks.  The thing was buttoned up
>> tight.  Dry as it has never been, and clean.
>> 
>> Today, I go out to try to take the SDL for an errand and it will not
>> fire off.  There is a wet shadow all under the car.  At a glance it
>> looked like rain that had yet to dry.  Closer, and it looked red and
>> there was a drip coming off the passenger rear corner of the pan.  Lots
>> of fluid, maybe a cup or so on the ground.  I had to hook up the
>> charger for a few hours to get enough  electrons for it to light off,
>> then drove it up a ramp.  
>> 
>> When I got under, I could see what looked like damp along the seal from
>> mid pan bolt to the rear bolt.  I brake cleanered it and waited to see
>> what happened.  There was a second drip.  It was coming from midline at
>> the rear of the pan, and though small beads, it was faster than the
>> side.  I loosened the two bolts to see if that would hasten or slow the
>> leakage.  It did not.  I was very careful in making sure the seal had
>> seated well and wiped the mating surface at the trans.   The seal is
>> new and supple.  Had been lubed with atf both inside and out.  What
>> could be going on?
>> 
>> I will have to drop the pan and refill if I am not able to get this
>> thing to really seal.
>> 
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[MBZ] gift guide

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-gift-guide-for-car-people-with-no-taste-1788671683

--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Actin' like a Yankee!  Whatcha think?Silly Wabbit!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Yankee behavior? You mean like what?



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[MBZ] OT: Time to join Mao

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, it appears now Fakebuch is spreading ransomeware.  Time to be 
Mao-like and stay away from fakebuch.


Details here:

http://www.komando.com/happening-now/380916/top-story-watch-out-facebook-spreading-ransomware?

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

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Yankee behavior?  You mean like what?

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:36:02 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Wait for it, Wilton….I should have it all together by Wednesday.
> >
> > The car, that is.
>
> Don't be like the fellow who, when he finally got it all together, forgot
> where he put it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

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On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:36:02 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Wait for it, Wilton….I should have it all together by Wednesday.
> 
> The car, that is.

Don't be like the fellow who, when he finally got it all together, forgot
where he put it.


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

i went to Costco earlier, it was nearly insane.  Not quite as bad as 
before the hurricane, but it was getting there.  I think there are a lot 
of Yankees in town who are picking stuff up for the hol.  They were 
exhibiting Yankee behavior.  It has been worse out here around me the 
last coupla days, I think a lot of them are here for the week.


--FT


On 11/21/16 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

A respite while I run by Costco, and when I return, reassembly begins!

Dan


--
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Re: [MBZ] Best deal for M1 ATF?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

By the case:

https://smile.amazon.com/Mobil-112980-Synthetic-Automatic-Transmission/dp/B009IE2R0U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479766410=8-1=mobil+1+atf

Dan

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Waxing is complete.  Collinite Liquid Insulator Wax #845 applied.

A respite while I run by Costco, and when I return, reassembly begins!

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wait for it, Wilton….I should have it all together by Wednesday.
> 
> The car, that is.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Only one thing I can say - "Wow!"
>> 
>> W


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Re: [MBZ] OT The Grand Tour

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I watched it.  The beginning was fun, the rest was pretty much the same.  
Didn’t care for Stig’s replacement, but you can’t have everything.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> May, Hammond, and Clarkson are back on Amazon Prime, first show debuted last 
> week.  It wasn't bad, sorta entertaining.
> 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Best deal for M1 ATF?

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Oh, here it is:
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/auto-trans-fluid-0009899203



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[MBZ] Best deal for M1 ATF?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Anyone?
-
Max
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[MBZ] OT The Grand Tour

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

May, Hammond, and Clarkson are back on Amazon Prime, first show debuted 
last week.  It wasn't bad, sorta entertaining.


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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Mercedes 300D

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Nice hubcaps

--FT


On 11/21/16 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

If you can get it to start, turn off and start again then it's worth
bargaining for.  The Euro bumpers alone are worth a couple hundred.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Winter beater?


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
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To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: Diesel Mercedes 300D


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Diesel Mercedes 300D

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petty,
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Wait for it, Wilton….I should have it all together by Wednesday.

The car, that is.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Only one thing I can say - "Wow!"
> 
> W
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes List" 
> Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
> 
> 
>> Finished the polishing at lunch.  Rolled it out into the sun to warm up in 
>> anticipation of waxing when work is over.  Then the reassembly!
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hdc7u46wlq5l987/AAAltLDK-AkYXkRX_izNQT3Oa?dl=0
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Only one thing I can say - "Wow!"

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!


Finished the polishing at lunch.  Rolled it out into the sun to warm up in 
anticipation of waxing when work is over.  Then the reassembly!


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hdc7u46wlq5l987/AAAltLDK-AkYXkRX_izNQT3Oa?dl=0

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You and I are very different.  My motto is "why do it right the first
time?"  This is n oddly effective philosophy so long as it doesn't apply to
life or death decisions, such as those required approaching stop signs or
red lights.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No obsession.  I just see it as a detail item that’s simple and easy to
> enhance or restore.  Five minutes and a few drops of paint and it’s as good
> as new again.
>
> As Dad always said, “If you’re going to do it, do it right."
>
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Not abhorrent, just unconventional.  I used to obsess over engine clamps.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No obsession.  I just see it as a detail item that’s simple and easy to enhance 
or restore.  Five minutes and a few drops of paint and it’s as good as new 
again.

As Dad always said, “If you’re going to do it, do it right."



> On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Not abhorrent, just unconventional.  I used to obsess over engine clamps.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not abhorrent, just unconventional.  I used to obsess over engine clamps.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> You’re an extraordinary ignoramus?  
>
> (Sorry, you walked into that one!)
>
> I’m not dealing with a concours car here.  Something I want to look as
> nice as the day it rolled off the boat.  The options are such that I could
> buy a new one, which would be stupid expensive, or just touch mine up so it
> looks nice.
>
> This is a run of the mill, standard as they come, basic driver quality
> 300D.  I am not trying to make it concours level or to even come close.
> Not sure that what I’m doing breaks any conventions or is so abhorrent that
> people couldn’t imagine doing something like this.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I never heard of anyone doing this to a badge - and I am an MBCA
> multiple-concours winner for a W108 and aW109, sedans, and for a W111
> coupe..  Not to brag or anything, but just so you know I am no ordinary
> ignoramus.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Mercedes 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, probably a boring nonturbo rust-infested piece of eurotrash.  BUT -
if the seats are LEATHER then its worth parting out.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Manual climate control, wonder if it has AC.  No pix of the engine,
> non-turbo motor?  No "Turbo Diesel" badge on the trunk.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Winter beater?
> >
> >
> > Fred Moir.
> > Lynn MA.
> > Diesel preferred.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: nore...@craigslist.org 
> > Sent: 21 November 2016 12:57
> > To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> > Subject: Diesel Mercedes 300D
> >
> >
> > fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
> >
> > 
> > Diesel Mercedes 300D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You’re an extraordinary ignoramus?  

(Sorry, you walked into that one!)

I’m not dealing with a concours car here.  Something I want to look as nice as 
the day it rolled off the boat.  The options are such that I could buy a new 
one, which would be stupid expensive, or just touch mine up so it looks nice.

This is a run of the mill, standard as they come, basic driver quality 300D.  I 
am not trying to make it concours level or to even come close.  Not sure that 
what I’m doing breaks any conventions or is so abhorrent that people couldn’t 
imagine doing something like this.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I never heard of anyone doing this to a badge - and I am an MBCA 
> multiple-concours winner for a W108 and aW109, sedans, and for a W111 coupe.. 
>  Not to brag or anything, but just so you know I am no ordinary ignoramus.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Mercedes 300D

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Manual climate control, wonder if it has AC.  No pix of the engine,
non-turbo motor?  No "Turbo Diesel" badge on the trunk.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Winter beater?
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
> Sent: 21 November 2016 12:57
> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Diesel Mercedes 300D
>
>
> fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>
> 
> Diesel Mercedes 300D
>
> http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/5885211723.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT Events

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think I gave mine to the goodwill during our last move (Commadore with
tape drive) along with the Sinclair PC. I still have the luggable BIM PC
with the 5" green screen CRT built in that came with two 5¼" floppy drives.
I traded a Mamiya C330 120 camera system for a Seagate 20MB hard drive for
it, then had to buy a new BIOS chip to use the drive.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Does a commodore with a tape drive count?
>


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Mercedes 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you can get it to start, turn off and start again then it's worth
bargaining for.  The Euro bumpers alone are worth a couple hundred.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Winter beater?
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
> Sent: 21 November 2016 12:57
> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Diesel Mercedes 300D
>
>
> fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>
> 
> Diesel Mercedes 300D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I never heard of anyone doing this to a badge - and I am an MBCA
multiple-concours winner for a W108 and aW109, sedans, and for a W111
coupe..  Not to brag or anything, but just so you know I am no ordinary
ignoramus.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Finished the polishing at lunch.  Rolled it out into the sun to warm up in
> anticipation of waxing when work is over.  Then the reassembly!
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hdc7u46wlq5l987/AAAltLDK-AkYXkRX_izNQT3Oa?dl=0
>
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Finished the polishing at lunch.  Rolled it out into the sun to warm up in 
anticipation of waxing when work is over.  Then the reassembly!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hdc7u46wlq5l987/AAAltLDK-AkYXkRX_izNQT3Oa?dl=0

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok as I thought.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Nov 21, 2016 1:00 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> It’s blue, the original color, or something darned close to it.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is that black or blue on the radiator  badge?
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 2005 E320 4 matic
> > Wickford RI
> >
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[MBZ] Diesel Mercedes 300D

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Winter beater?


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
Sent: 21 November 2016 12:57
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: Diesel Mercedes 300D


fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:


Diesel Mercedes 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s blue, the original color, or something darned close to it.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is that black or blue on the radiator  badge?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4 matic
> Wickford RI
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Is that black or blue on the radiator  badge?

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Nov 21, 2016 12:53 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> You can look at it two ways:
>
> Leave the faded and missing paint badges for “patina”; or,
>
> Repaint the badges to look new as the car will.
>
> I prefer the new look.
>
> Now if I was cleaning up a mid-70s pillarless coupe, that’s a whole
> ‘nother thing.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Restoring a badge is like improving the calligraphy on someone else's
> birth certificate.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > What? Painting my badges on a break?
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
> > >
> > > OMG I had no idea that was even legal!
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You can look at it two ways:

Leave the faded and missing paint badges for “patina”; or,

Repaint the badges to look new as the car will.

I prefer the new look.

Now if I was cleaning up a mid-70s pillarless coupe, that’s a whole ‘nother 
thing.

Dan

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Restoring a badge is like improving the calligraphy on someone else's  birth 
> certificate.  
> 
> ;)
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> What? Painting my badges on a break?
> 
> 
> > On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  > > wrote:
> >
> > OMG I had no idea that was even legal!
> >

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Restoring a badge is like improving the calligraphy on someone else's
birth certificate.

;)

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What? Painting my badges on a break?
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > OMG I had no idea that was even legal!
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Since I’m working from home today, there’s not a lot I can do until work
> is over.
> >
> > That being said, I did find about 10 minutes during a break to paint the
> accent lines on the trunk badges.  A little flat black on the trim and it’s
> as new!  The radiator badge will be next.
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sxm4gqygdprzim/1982%20300D%
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What? Painting my badges on a break?


> On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> OMG I had no idea that was even legal!
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> Since I’m working from home today, there’s not a lot I can do until work is 
> over.
> 
> That being said, I did find about 10 minutes during a break to paint the 
> accent lines on the trunk badges.  A little flat black on the trim and it’s 
> as new!  The radiator badge will be next.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sxm4gqygdprzim/1982%20300D%20Cleanup%20-%2041.jpg?dl=0
>  
> 
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OMG I had no idea that was even legal!

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Since I’m working from home today, there’s not a lot I can do until work
> is over.
>
> That being said, I did find about 10 minutes during a break to paint the
> accent lines on the trunk badges.  A little flat black on the trim and it’s
> as new!  The radiator badge will be next.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sxm4gqygdprzim/1982%20300D%
> 20Cleanup%20-%2041.jpg?dl=0
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Since I’m working from home today, there’s not a lot I can do until work is 
over.

That being said, I did find about 10 minutes during a break to paint the accent 
lines on the trunk badges.  A little flat black on the trim and it’s as new!  
The radiator badge will be next.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sxm4gqygdprzim/1982%20300D%20Cleanup%20-%2041.jpg?dl=0

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] hijacked Re: Let the...

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

We have the best government money can buy!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[MBZ] VERY "restorable" Isetta Deluxe on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

For $8500 this is well worth a look...   in the other direction.

http://bringatrailer.com/2016/11/20/very-restorable-looking-1956-bmw-isetta-300-deluxe-project/
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[MBZ] Trump and Bannon

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

"'archer wrote:
Instead of discussing Trump, we should probably be discussing his chief advisor 
who may have a lot to do with Trumps decisions. He understands the wealthy 
class as well as the working class:

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-trump-adviser-stephen-bannon-fiery-populism-followed-life-in-elite-circles/2016/11/19/de91ef40-ac57-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_bannon613pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

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Re: [MBZ] hijacked Re: Let the...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That is an excellent observation.  I shall take that to heart.

--FT


On 11/21/16 4:54 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

For "peace of mind", the sincere middle of the political road, with a jaundiced 
view of politics and politician in general, is the best horse to ride IMO.
The middle-of-the-roaders basic political philosophy is:
"America is a nation of the people, by the politicians, and for whichever group can 
get its interests taken care of."
Using that principle, what can you say about the current political situation?
Gerry

Floyd Thursby wrote:


I have too, even quit really reading the paper or watching the PBS news
which I used to watch every evening (mostly because I hate the stupid
commercial TV and it comes on at a convenient time).  I could let the
obvious bias slide, it was just part of the package, but now it is more
like propaganda and it is off-putting.  I see this whole thing being
very corrosive, politics in general this year, to our social order.  I
have family and friends who seriously are grieving over it all and are
emotionally disrupted in thinking about it because sH->e didn't win (or
won't get the electoral vote, sH->e apparently is ahead in straight
votes so that has them in a tizzy too).  It's like a constant drain on
their energy thinking about it and has them cranky and angry and sad and
all the other stuff.

It really hurts me to see that, I don't really get it and wish I could
somehow make it all go away and get them all back to the people I knew a
month or two ago, even with the differences we had.  It is impossible to
talk to them about it, I would have to be in mourning too to have a
cry-fest or something and plot the revolution, Stand Strong against The
Don or something.  And I was not particularly enamored with the "winner"
so I didn't really have much enthusiasm for it all, but I am cast as
"winner" (and racistbigothomophobexenophobemisogynist) too since I did
not like H->er, and that puts me as an enemy or something.  It hurts.

I know 8 years ago there were a lot of people who were upset about the
election outcome, and there was a fair amount of trash talk and such,
but this time around it is way way more.  I don't recall nearly as much
animosity and downright hatred as I am seeing here, even though there
were some fairly settled opinions on the matter and some ongoing strong
feelings and opposition. And the hatred is coming from people who just
want us all to love one another and get along and such, except if we are
on different "sides."  Perplexing.

I hope it all dies down in a few weeks, and life gets back to whatever
passes for normal these days.  I doubt if it will, but I hope so, and I
honestly hope the new guy sorta gets down to business such that it will
be good for everyone, whatever their orientations, and the election
trash talk subsides.  I was actually, for maybe the first time, quite
pleased with BHO's pronouncements on the matter, it showed a fair amount
of integrity on the issue.

--FT


On 11/20/16 4:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've decided I have to stop listening to NPR. As near as I can tell everything 
else in the world has stopped since all they talk about is Trump...
-Curt

From: Max Dillon via Mercedes 
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Cc: Max Dillon 
   Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:57 PM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
 
Please no!


I'm going to start a charity, donate in order to end discussions about trump.

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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] New (Diesel) Addition to the Driveway

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

They sell all over the price range on ebay. So you will need to show that
the interior is great etc. To get big money. And have receipts. But you
should be able to unload that all day long for 8k in DC on craigslist.

On Nov 20, 2016 2:31 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'll see if BAT will allow me a $7500 reserve price.
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 7-10k  sounds about right
> > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> >
> > Sent from my cell
> >
> > > On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 7-10k in LA, if nice.
> > >
> > > On Nov 18, 2016 9:30 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 300k on the clock and 225 k on the drive train.
> > >
> > > On Nov 19, 2016 12:21 AM, "Kevin Kraly via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Andrew. How many miles are on your '85 wagon? I can't see the pics,
> but
> > >> 300TD's go for big bucks around here.
> > >> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my cell
> > >>
> > >>> On Nov 18, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Say what you want, but those guys have monetized the crap out of that
> > >> site and must be pulling in some serious coin on their auctions.  They
> > >> charge a flat fee to the seller but a percentage to the buyer.
> They’re
> > >> regularly selling cars that are near north of $100k every week, so
> > there’s
> > >> some major dollars crossing their threshold.  Granted, they’re having
> to
> > >> pay for hosting and bandwidth, but other than that their overhead
> can’t
> > be
> > >> significant.
> > >>>
> > >>> It’s a great venue to sell if you’ve got a nice car that mildly
> unique
> > >> or unusual.  They seem to have a pretty good handle on what sells and
> > what
> > >> doesn’t as it’s rare to see something end up as a klunker, although I
> > have
> > >> seen a couple over the last year.  There are some marques that they
> seem
> > > to
> > >> favor, such as Porsche and weird Italian stuff you’ve never heard of
> > > before.
> > >>>
> > >>> I look forward to seeing their daily auctions just for a wide range
> or
> > >> stuff they sell and the comments, which are really informative and
> fun.
> > >>>
> > >>> Dan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On Nov 18, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  To me a website called bring a trailer would indicate you are buying
> > >> old non running parts or restoration projects.
> > 
> > 
> > > On 11/18/2016 4:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Mileage?  Provenance?  That makes a big difference.
> > >
> > > I haven’t figured out BAT.  They wanted nothing to do with my 1994
> > >> S420 with provenance and low miles, yet earlier this week they listed
> a
> > >> W126 S420 that was barely a passable car.
> > >
> > > I wonder what they would want for my 300D?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> BAT wants to list with a reserve of $6900.  That's too low IMO.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] hijacked Re: Let the...

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

For "peace of mind", the sincere middle of the political road, with a jaundiced 
view of politics and politician in general, is the best horse to ride IMO.
The middle-of-the-roaders basic political philosophy is: 
"America is a nation of the people, by the politicians, and for whichever group 
can get its interests taken care of."
Using that principle, what can you say about the current political situation?
Gerry

Floyd Thursby wrote:

> I have too, even quit really reading the paper or watching the PBS news 
> which I used to watch every evening (mostly because I hate the stupid 
> commercial TV and it comes on at a convenient time).  I could let the 
> obvious bias slide, it was just part of the package, but now it is more 
> like propaganda and it is off-putting.  I see this whole thing being 
> very corrosive, politics in general this year, to our social order.  I 
> have family and friends who seriously are grieving over it all and are 
> emotionally disrupted in thinking about it because sH->e didn't win (or 
> won't get the electoral vote, sH->e apparently is ahead in straight 
> votes so that has them in a tizzy too).  It's like a constant drain on 
> their energy thinking about it and has them cranky and angry and sad and 
> all the other stuff.
> 
> It really hurts me to see that, I don't really get it and wish I could 
> somehow make it all go away and get them all back to the people I knew a 
> month or two ago, even with the differences we had.  It is impossible to 
> talk to them about it, I would have to be in mourning too to have a 
> cry-fest or something and plot the revolution, Stand Strong against The 
> Don or something.  And I was not particularly enamored with the "winner" 
> so I didn't really have much enthusiasm for it all, but I am cast as 
> "winner" (and racistbigothomophobexenophobemisogynist) too since I did 
> not like H->er, and that puts me as an enemy or something.  It hurts.
> 
> I know 8 years ago there were a lot of people who were upset about the 
> election outcome, and there was a fair amount of trash talk and such, 
> but this time around it is way way more.  I don't recall nearly as much 
> animosity and downright hatred as I am seeing here, even though there 
> were some fairly settled opinions on the matter and some ongoing strong 
> feelings and opposition. And the hatred is coming from people who just 
> want us all to love one another and get along and such, except if we are 
> on different "sides."  Perplexing.
> 
> I hope it all dies down in a few weeks, and life gets back to whatever 
> passes for normal these days.  I doubt if it will, but I hope so, and I 
> honestly hope the new guy sorta gets down to business such that it will 
> be good for everyone, whatever their orientations, and the election 
> trash talk subsides.  I was actually, for maybe the first time, quite 
> pleased with BHO's pronouncements on the matter, it showed a fair amount 
> of integrity on the issue.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 11/20/16 4:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I've decided I have to stop listening to NPR. As near as I can tell 
> > everything else in the world has stopped since all they talk about is 
> > Trump...
> > -Curt
> >
> >From: Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Max Dillon 
> >   Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:57 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
> > 
> > Please no!
> >
> > I'm going to start a charity, donate in order to end discussions about 
> > trump.
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
> 
> 
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[MBZ] ADD: hijacked Re: Let the...

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Here's another middle-of-the-road mantra:

 "The pessimist complains about the wind;
 the optimist expects it to change;
 the realist adjusts the sails."

Gerry
~~~

For "peace of mind", the sincere middle of the political road, with a jaundiced 
view of politics and politician in general, is the best horse to ride IMO.
The middle-of-the-roaders basic political philosophy is: 
"America is a nation of the people, by the politicians, and for whichever group 
can get its interests taken care of."
Using that principle, what can you say about the current political situation?
Gerry

Floyd Thursby wrote:

> I have too, even quit really reading the paper or watching the PBS news 
> which I used to watch every evening (mostly because I hate the stupid 
> commercial TV and it comes on at a convenient time).  I could let the 
> obvious bias slide, it was just part of the package, but now it is more 
> like propaganda and it is off-putting.  I see this whole thing being 
> very corrosive, politics in general this year, to our social order.  I 
> have family and friends who seriously are grieving over it all and are 
> emotionally disrupted in thinking about it because sH->e didn't win (or 
> won't get the electoral vote, sH->e apparently is ahead in straight 
> votes so that has them in a tizzy too).  It's like a constant drain on 
> their energy thinking about it and has them cranky and angry and sad and 
> all the other stuff.
> 
> It really hurts me to see that, I don't really get it and wish I could 
> somehow make it all go away and get them all back to the people I knew a 
> month or two ago, even with the differences we had.  It is impossible to 
> talk to them about it, I would have to be in mourning too to have a 
> cry-fest or something and plot the revolution, Stand Strong against The 
> Don or something.  And I was not particularly enamored with the "winner" 
> so I didn't really have much enthusiasm for it all, but I am cast as 
> "winner" (and racistbigothomophobexenophobemisogynist) too since I did 
> not like H->er, and that puts me as an enemy or something.  It hurts.
> 
> I know 8 years ago there were a lot of people who were upset about the 
> election outcome, and there was a fair amount of trash talk and such, 
> but this time around it is way way more.  I don't recall nearly as much 
> animosity and downright hatred as I am seeing here, even though there 
> were some fairly settled opinions on the matter and some ongoing strong 
> feelings and opposition. And the hatred is coming from people who just 
> want us all to love one another and get along and such, except if we are 
> on different "sides."  Perplexing.
> 
> I hope it all dies down in a few weeks, and life gets back to whatever 
> passes for normal these days.  I doubt if it will, but I hope so, and I 
> honestly hope the new guy sorta gets down to business such that it will 
> be good for everyone, whatever their orientations, and the election 
> trash talk subsides.  I was actually, for maybe the first time, quite 
> pleased with BHO's pronouncements on the matter, it showed a fair amount 
> of integrity on the issue.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 11/20/16 4:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I've decided I have to stop listening to NPR. As near as I can tell 
> > everything else in the world has stopped since all they talk about is 
> > Trump...
> > -Curt
> >
> >From: Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Max Dillon 
> >   Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:57 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
> > 
> > Please no!
> >
> > I'm going to start a charity, donate in order to end discussions about 
> > trump.
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
> 
> 
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