Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On 07/10/10 01:04, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 16:01 +0200, Jan Stary wrote: On Jul 09 04:56:38, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:28 +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. What NFS server is it? How exactly is the NFS share exported on the server side? How exactly is the share mounted on your clients? The NFS server is FreeNAS (FreeBSD 7.2). Exports line: /mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music -alldirs,ro -maproot=root -network 192.168.0.250 -mask 255.255.255.255 Linux client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs user 0 0 OpenBSD client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs ro,noexec,nodev,nosuid 0 0 The OpenBSD client is 4.7-stable AMD64 GENERIC.MP You have some local debugging to do. I've run music over NFS for close to ten years, with servers (all OpenBSD) ranging from 133MHz P-I to 1GHz P3, workstations running from 266MHz PIIs to 2.3GHz AMD64x3 processors. Never had gigabit links. Early on, it was probably a 100mbps hub, maybe even 10mbps (can't remember when I installed my 100mbps infrastructure, or when I went to switches, I do remember ripping CDs directly on my 166MHz server because it was faster than alternatives). Audio devices ranged from old ISA devices to quite modern hardware. No NFS-related problems here. Therefore, I conclude that it isn't an intrinsic OpenBSD problem (and I'm pretty sure you and I aren't the only ones running mp3 files over NFS). There's either something about your PARTICULAR system (which you STILL refuse to describe, please go smack your hand with a ruler), or something wrong with your infrastructure. Go get yourself an old three-digit clock speed machine with 128m of RAM or more, put OpenBSD on it, put some mp3 files on it, set up NFS, put it on a different switch and different wires than you are currently using and see if it works. If so, look over everything else. If not, provide a useful problem report (which is NOT what you have been doing). Nick. Hint, this works: OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC.MP) #94: Wed Jul 7 01:22:26 MDT 2010 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP (note that I didn't stop here...) real mem = 3486384128 (3324MB) avail mem = 3379736576 (3223MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf0100 (46 entries) bios0: vendor Award Software International, Inc. version FB date 03/03/2009 bios0: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-MA74GM-S2 acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT HPET MCFG APIC acpi0: wakeup devices USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB5(S3) USB6(S3) SBAZ(S4) P2P_(S5) PCE2(S4) PCE3(S4) PCE4(S4) PCE5(S4) PCE6(S4) PCE7(S4) PCE8(S4) PS2M(S5) PS2K(S5) PCI0(S5) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Phenom(tm) 8650 Triple-Core Processor, 2316.66 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 201MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: AMD Phenom(tm) 8650 Triple-Core Processor, 2316.33 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu1: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu2: AMD Phenom(tm) 8650 Triple-Core Processor, 2316.33 MHz cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu2: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu2: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On Jul 10 01:04:35, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 16:01 +0200, Jan Stary wrote: On Jul 09 04:56:38, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:28 +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. What NFS server is it? How exactly is the NFS share exported on the server side? How exactly is the share mounted on your clients? The NFS server is FreeNAS (FreeBSD 7.2). Exports line: /mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music -alldirs,ro -maproot=root -network 192.168.0.250 -mask 255.255.255.255 Linux client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs user 0 0 OpenBSD client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs ro,noexec,nodev,nosuid 0 0 The output of 'mount -v' would be more useful. Have you tried using noatime or the -r option? Why not? The OpenBSD client is 4.7-stable AMD64 GENERIC.MP
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 08:45 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: On 07/10/10 01:04, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 16:01 +0200, Jan Stary wrote: On Jul 09 04:56:38, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:28 +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. What NFS server is it? How exactly is the NFS share exported on the server side? How exactly is the share mounted on your clients? The NFS server is FreeNAS (FreeBSD 7.2). Exports line: /mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music -alldirs,ro -maproot=root -network 192.168.0.250 -mask 255.255.255.255 Linux client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs user 0 0 OpenBSD client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs ro,noexec,nodev,nosuid 0 0 The OpenBSD client is 4.7-stable AMD64 GENERIC.MP You have some local debugging to do. I've run music over NFS for close to ten years, with servers (all OpenBSD) ranging from 133MHz P-I to 1GHz P3, workstations running from 266MHz PIIs to 2.3GHz AMD64x3 processors. Never had gigabit links. Early on, it was probably a 100mbps hub, maybe even 10mbps (can't remember when I installed my 100mbps infrastructure, or when I went to switches, I do remember ripping CDs directly on my 166MHz server because it was faster than alternatives). Audio devices ranged from old ISA devices to quite modern hardware. No NFS-related problems here. Therefore, I conclude that it isn't an intrinsic OpenBSD problem (and I'm pretty sure you and I aren't the only ones running mp3 files over NFS). There's either something about your PARTICULAR system (which you STILL refuse to describe, please go smack your hand with a ruler), or something wrong with your infrastructure. Hand has been smacked, dmesg added. Go get yourself an old three-digit clock speed machine with 128m of RAM or more, put OpenBSD on it, put some mp3 files on it, set up NFS, put it on a different switch and different wires than you are currently using and see if it works. If so, look over everything else. If not, provide a useful problem report (which is NOT what you have been doing). Will do, thanks for your help. OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC.MP) #0: Sat May 22 05:06:02 CDT 2010 co...@salvation.bukolt.lan:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 3486384128 (3324MB) avail mem = 3386621952 (3229MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf0100 (56 entries) bios0: vendor Award Software International, Inc. version F3 date 09/16/2009 bios0: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-MA785GMT-UD2H acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT HPET MCFG TAMG APIC acpi0: wakeup devices USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB5(S3) USB6(S3) SBAZ(S4) P2P_(S5) PCE2(S4) PCE3(S4) PCE4(S4) PCE5(S4) PCE6(S4) PCE7(S4) PCE9(S4) PCEA(S4) PCEB(S4) PCEC(S4) PS2M(S5) PS2K(S5) PCI0(S5) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor, 3214.97 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor, 3214.55 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu1: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu2: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor, 3214.55 MHz cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu2: 64KB 64b/line
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 20:54 +0200, Jan Stary wrote: On Jul 10 01:04:35, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 16:01 +0200, Jan Stary wrote: On Jul 09 04:56:38, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:28 +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. What NFS server is it? How exactly is the NFS share exported on the server side? How exactly is the share mounted on your clients? The NFS server is FreeNAS (FreeBSD 7.2). Exports line: /mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music -alldirs,ro -maproot=root -network 192.168.0.250 -mask 255.255.255.255 Linux client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs user 0 0 OpenBSD client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs ro,noexec,nodev,nosuid 0 0 The output of 'mount -v' would be more useful. fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music on /mnt/music type nfs (nodev, noexec, nosuid, read-only, ctime=Sat Jul 10 18:43:56 2010, v3, udp, hard, wsize=8192, rsize=8192, rdirsize=8192, timeo=100, retrans=101, maxgrouplist=16, readahead=1, acregmin=5, acregmax=60, acdirmin=5, acdirmax=60) Have you tried using noatime or the -r option? Why not? Yes, tried both, neither help.
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:28 +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. One point of interest is that it seems the longer I keep the share mounted, the worse it gets starting with mildy iritating (0-1 skips per song) to very annoying (4 or more skips per song) and after remounting it resets for about an hour. The obvious solution would be to just copy my music locally, but I would very much rather not. I use NFS for music since years it always worked, but the server is running OpenBSD in my case. I guess your NFS server makes short pauses that cause the player to not produce audio samples fast enough. If this is it true, how could my Linux clients be unaffected? could you try using mpg321 and/or ogg123 on NFS mounted files to see if skips occur? If so, does using aucat in server mode help ? Using both mpg321 and ogg123 still result in skipping. I have always used aucat in server mode. Using mpg321/ogg123/mpd without aucat results in less skipping, but still enough to be pretty annoying. (Apologies for taking so long to reply, real world distractions along with a shitty ISP have made checking my email impossible.) -- Corey
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On Jul 09 04:56:38, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:28 +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. What NFS server is it? How exactly is the NFS share exported on the server side? How exactly is the share mounted on your clients?
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
I guess your NFS server makes short pauses that cause the player to not produce audio samples fast enough. If this is it true, how could my Linux clients be unaffected? Why don't you figure that out.
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
I guess your NFS server makes short pauses that cause the player to not produce audio samples fast enough. If this is it true, how could my Linux clients be unaffected? Why don't you figure that out. Indeed, it feels like I'm missing something obvious
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 16:01 +0200, Jan Stary wrote: On Jul 09 04:56:38, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 08:28 +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. What NFS server is it? How exactly is the NFS share exported on the server side? How exactly is the share mounted on your clients? The NFS server is FreeNAS (FreeBSD 7.2). Exports line: /mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music -alldirs,ro -maproot=root -network 192.168.0.250 -mask 255.255.255.255 Linux client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs user 0 0 OpenBSD client fstab entry: fileserver:/mnt/tank/main/home/corey/media/music /mnt/music nfs ro,noexec,nodev,nosuid 0 0 The OpenBSD client is 4.7-stable AMD64 GENERIC.MP
Re: Music + NFS == skipping?
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote: Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. One point of interest is that it seems the longer I keep the share mounted, the worse it gets starting with mildy iritating (0-1 skips per song) to very annoying (4 or more skips per song) and after remounting it resets for about an hour. The obvious solution would be to just copy my music locally, but I would very much rather not. I use NFS for music since years it always worked, but the server is running OpenBSD in my case. I guess your NFS server makes short pauses that cause the player to not produce audio samples fast enough. could you try using mpg321 and/or ogg123 on NFS mounted files to see if skips occur? If so, does using aucat in server mode help ? -- Alexandre
Music + NFS == skipping?
Hi list, So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally. I'm pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup and doesn't skip. I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load. Already gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no luck. One point of interest is that it seems the longer I keep the share mounted, the worse it gets starting with mildy iritating (0-1 skips per song) to very annoying (4 or more skips per song) and after remounting it resets for about an hour. The obvious solution would be to just copy my music locally, but I would very much rather not. Any help would be apprecated. 4.7 AMD64 GENERIC.MP Fileserver is FreeNAS Corey -- Please don't CC: me, I'm subscribed. Thanks!
