[Phono-L] My Holiday Find
A caution re Greyhound - If you send it Greyhound, the lengt/girth ratio cannot be more than 100 inches. You measure up the length of one side of the crate and the then measure all the way around the four sides. The total must be 100 inches or less. I had a harp shipped from Texas, and they were going to use Greyhound, but the length/girth measurement was 111". They didn't take it. It came on DHL from San Antonio to Ventura (60 miles north of LA) for $58. John Robles wayne holznagel wrote: Depending on where in the state it was . . . you may be able to have the shop hold it for pickup until June. You may be able to arrange transportation with various collectors that will be attending the Uune Union, IL show. A couple advertise their services in MAPS In the Groove in the springtime. Steve Atkins wrote: Happy Holidays group! Such was the case yesterday, on a family outing in Indiana, as we stopped by an antique spot with items on consignment. Now, since I'm new to this, I'm learning as I go. Fortunately, I am able to tap the wealth of knowledge found here. I tried not to even look because shipping to Oregon would likely not be sensible. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank <:)> Wayne H My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] My Holiday Find
Check out shipping via Greyhound - I had a very heavy item (200 pounds) sent from Wisconsin to Buffalo for $88
[Phono-L] My Holiday Find
Depending on where in the state it was . . . you may be able to have the shop hold it for pickup until June. You may be able to arrange transportation with various collectors that will be attending the Uune Union, IL show. A couple advertise their services in MAPS In the Groove in the springtime. Steve Atkins wrote: Happy Holidays group! Such was the case yesterday, on a family outing in Indiana, as we stopped by an antique spot with items on consignment. Now, since I'm new to this, I'm learning as I go. Fortunately, I am able to tap the wealth of knowledge found here. I tried not to even look because shipping to Oregon would likely not be sensible. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank <:)> Wayne H My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ From lhera...@bu.edu Sun Dec 24 21:02:08 2006 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 24 21:02:36 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] My Holiday Find In-Reply-To: <002601c727bf$8cbb2420$6401a...@custom> Message-ID: <002701c727e1$d4a5d0b0$2f01a...@ronlherault> Near as I can tell from the description and serial no., it is an L door. He has not passed on it entirely yet, unless someone bought it today. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78rpm Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 7:57 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My Holiday Find My god was that an L door Victor XVI that was passed up for that price or the later model XVI? - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My Holiday Find >I would find a way to strap it to the top of my car. > John Robles > > Steve Atkins wrote: > Happy Holidays group! > > For many of you at this hour, your homes are filling with gurests and > activity is picking up beyond the routine. However, if you're like me, > you're visiting far from home and looking for ways to see the sights > nearby. > > Such was the case yesterday, on a family outing in Indiana, as we stopped > by an antique spot with items on consignment. Now, since I'm new to this, > I'm learning as I go. Fortunately, I am able to tap the wealth of > knowledge found here. I tried not to even look because shipping to Oregon > would likely not be sensible. > > There it was, a nice shiney mahogony cabinet with new (looking) brass (?) > hardward. It was a VVXVI Victrola, #17419B. Once again, to the newcomer, > it looked tempting at what seemed to be a modest $365 price tag. Moreover, > it stood next to a sign that read, "Everything Holiday Discounted, 40% > Off!". Wow, everyone said, as if getting it home would even be affordable; > I don't really know. > > Now, after reading recent accounts of letting "the great one" slip away, I > am compelled to at least find out if in the next few days I'm in the area > if I should go see it again, or simply put it out of my mind. For all I > know the current owner could be on this list and would know the item by > ser #. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > Steve > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Phono-L RSS Feed > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Phono-L RSS Feed > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] My Holiday Find
My god was that an L door Victor XVI that was passed up for that price or the later model XVI? - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My Holiday Find >I would find a way to strap it to the top of my car. > John Robles > > Steve Atkins wrote: > Happy Holidays group! > > For many of you at this hour, your homes are filling with gurests and > activity is picking up beyond the routine. However, if you're like me, > you're visiting far from home and looking for ways to see the sights > nearby. > > Such was the case yesterday, on a family outing in Indiana, as we stopped > by an antique spot with items on consignment. Now, since I'm new to this, > I'm learning as I go. Fortunately, I am able to tap the wealth of > knowledge found here. I tried not to even look because shipping to Oregon > would likely not be sensible. > > There it was, a nice shiney mahogony cabinet with new (looking) brass (?) > hardward. It was a VVXVI Victrola, #17419B. Once again, to the newcomer, > it looked tempting at what seemed to be a modest $365 price tag. Moreover, > it stood next to a sign that read, "Everything Holiday Discounted, 40% > Off!". Wow, everyone said, as if getting it home would even be affordable; > I don't really know. > > Now, after reading recent accounts of letting "the great one" slip away, I > am compelled to at least find out if in the next few days I'm in the area > if I should go see it again, or simply put it out of my mind. For all I > know the current owner could be on this list and would know the item by > ser #. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > Steve > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Phono-L RSS Feed > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Phono-L RSS Feed > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Edison Opera Question
Its not the governor that keeps it from fitting. The Opera box is about 6" deep overall inside and the Triumph case is a little deeper and the triton motor needs all of the depth in the case. The triumph 2 spring motor with the raised bedplate will fit. I can not get to the Triumph to measure the case so I can not provide any numbers. Rich On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:07:41 -0800, Loran T. Hughes wrote: >That was kinda my impression too, but wasn't 100% sure when I was >asked that question. >Loran >On Dec 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: >> I don't think so. I believe the Triumph Triton motor was entirely <<>>
[Phono-L] Edison Opera Question
That was kinda my impression too, but wasn't 100% sure when I was asked that question. Loran On Dec 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > I don't think so. I believe the Triumph Triton motor was entirely > below the > bedplate, whereas, if I am reading Frow correctly, the Opera has some > mechanicals, such as the Governor, above the bedplate. > > Ron L
[Phono-L] To Share with my Phonograph friends
Edison fans should appreciate this. While searching the net I found a copy of the Lux Radio Theater's "Young Tom Edison" from Dec. 1940, starring Mickey Rooney. This is a STAGE PLAY version of the movie and is about an hour long. http://www.archive.org/details/KIBMChristmasPlayhouse Scroll down and you will find "Young Tom Edison" and other interesting radio presentations. Your can save it or play it. You'll also find some more interesting Holiday shows there. Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good year, Dennis and family __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lo...@oldcrank.com Sun Dec 24 14:21:05 2006 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 14:21:32 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Question Message-ID: Will a Triumph motor fit an Opera? Loran From lhera...@bu.edu Sun Dec 24 15:02:37 2006 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 24 15:03:08 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c727af$9b48ad60$2f01a...@ronlherault> I don't think so. I believe the Triumph Triton motor was entirely below the bedplate, whereas, if I am reading Frow correctly, the Opera has some mechanicals, such as the Governor, above the bedplate. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran T. Hughes Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 5:21 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Question Will a Triumph motor fit an Opera? Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] My Holiday Find
I would find a way to strap it to the top of my car. John Robles Steve Atkins wrote: Happy Holidays group! For many of you at this hour, your homes are filling with gurests and activity is picking up beyond the routine. However, if you're like me, you're visiting far from home and looking for ways to see the sights nearby. Such was the case yesterday, on a family outing in Indiana, as we stopped by an antique spot with items on consignment. Now, since I'm new to this, I'm learning as I go. Fortunately, I am able to tap the wealth of knowledge found here. I tried not to even look because shipping to Oregon would likely not be sensible. There it was, a nice shiney mahogony cabinet with new (looking) brass (?) hardward. It was a VVXVI Victrola, #17419B. Once again, to the newcomer, it looked tempting at what seemed to be a modest $365 price tag. Moreover, it stood next to a sign that read, "Everything Holiday Discounted, 40% Off!". Wow, everyone said, as if getting it home would even be affordable; I don't really know. Now, after reading recent accounts of letting "the great one" slip away, I am compelled to at least find out if in the next few days I'm in the area if I should go see it again, or simply put it out of my mind. For all I know the current owner could be on this list and would know the item by ser #. Any thoughts anyone? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] My Holiday Find
Happy Holidays group! For many of you at this hour, your homes are filling with gurests and activity is picking up beyond the routine. However, if you're like me, you're visiting far from home and looking for ways to see the sights nearby. Such was the case yesterday, on a family outing in Indiana, as we stopped by an antique spot with items on consignment. Now, since I'm new to this, I'm learning as I go. Fortunately, I am able to tap the wealth of knowledge found here. I tried not to even look because shipping to Oregon would likely not be sensible. There it was, a nice shiney mahogony cabinet with new (looking) brass (?) hardward. It was a VVXVI Victrola, #17419B. Once again, to the newcomer, it looked tempting at what seemed to be a modest $365 price tag. Moreover, it stood next to a sign that read, "Everything Holiday Discounted, 40% Off!". Wow, everyone said, as if getting it home would even be affordable; I don't really know. Now, after reading recent accounts of letting "the great one" slip away, I am compelled to at least find out if in the next few days I'm in the area if I should go see it again, or simply put it out of my mind. For all I know the current owner could be on this list and would know the item by ser #. Any thoughts anyone? Steve From lhera...@bu.edu Sun Dec 24 14:03:51 2006 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 24 14:04:55 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] My Holiday Find In-Reply-To: <122420062148.13450.458ef5aa0007ac6b348a2200760180029a0d9...@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001b01c727a7$6aeb0f80$2f01a...@ronlherault> Well, according to the Victor Data Book, the B was sold between 8/27 and 12/21/1909. It should have a barrel brake and round speed control dial. Serial numbers ranged from 13696 t0 17960 so that one is closer to the December date. It is the first version to use the Victrola Decal. At that price, I'm sure others will concur that it is a "Find". Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steve Atkins Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 4:48 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] My Holiday Find There it was, a nice shiney mahogony cabinet with new (looking) brass (?) hardward. It was a VVXVI Victrola, #17419B. Once again, to the newcomer, it looked tempting at what seemed to be a modest $365 price tag. Moreover, it stood next to a sign that read, "Everything Holiday Discounted, 40% Off!".
[Phono-L] Near Miss
The M alone sells for over $1000.Steve Yes, he bought it at the> Halsey auction...there was hardly anyone there...he> bought it for $325 with the M reproducer. He proudly> explained that he didn't realize what he bought until> he returned home and did some some research. He told> me that it was really rare and worth $3,000! The> wheels were turning in my head. If I had been at the> auction, I bet he would have dropped out around $500. > I could have listed in on phono-l for a quick $2000> profit and made more money than I did on the four> miserable days of storm work!> > Side story...I called Big Al, the guy that bought the> $75 Col AB McDonald, and he was still out of power> four days after the storm. I live about four hours> from him and thought about offering to trade and> deliver my 6500 watt generator for the AB McDonald! > Pass the tissues and happy collecting, Jerry Blais> > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___> Phono-L mailing list> Phono-L@oldcrank.org> > Phono-L Archive> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank From steve_nor...@msn.com Wed Dec 20 17:38:46 2006 From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Improved Concert Reproducers Message-ID: Hi Loran, I have never seen the early one, I really enjoy reproducer varieties and I have saved the photos and really appreciate you sharing them. Steve >> > OK, here are photos:> >> > http://homepage.mac.com/loranhughes/PhotoAlbum15.html> > When I got home >> > this evening, I took apart the Improved Concert with > the odd needle bar >> > and saw that someone had hacked an Exhibition > needle bar to fit... and >> > did a relatively nice job at it to boot. But > the photos do show the >> > differences in lettering on the early and late > style Improved Concerts. >> > I don't think I've ever seen any other > examples of the early style... >> > has anyone here?> > Loran> > >> > ___> Phono-L mailing list> >> > Phono-L@oldcrank.org> > Phono-L Archive> >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> >> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank From klin...@modex.com Wed Dec 20 19:11:12 2006 From: klin...@modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2007 Message-ID: <027d01c724ad$abe433b0$0201a...@billqbszr49l7m> The following message has been posted by the Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC). If you have any questions, please click on the link or the e-mail address below. Please DO NOT simply hit REPLY or post further messages to this list. --- ARSC ANNUAL CONFERENCE --- Don't forget to save the dates! May 2-5, 2007: The Ward Irish Music Archives, in conjunction with the Sanfilippo Victorian Palace, hosts the 41st annual ARSC conference in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, at the Hilton Milwaukee City Center, 509 West Wisconsin Avenue. CONFERENCE PROGRAM The Program Committee has received proposals for presentations on a wide range of musical genres and a variety of technical issues. (If you submitted a proposal, don't worry if you haven't yet received a notification of acceptance; the committee is still reviewing proposals.) Here is a small sample of what's in store: -- "The Golden Age of Irish Music Recording," Harry Bradshaw. During the 1920s, Irish musicians in the United States recorded hundreds of discs for the immigrant record-buying market. Some of these recordings became highly influential in Ireland and played an important role in shaping Irish traditional music during the remainder of the 20th century. -- "Irish Americans in the Acoustic Era," Mick Moloney. An ethnomusicologist, regarded as the foremost authority on Irish America, Moloney has produced more than 40 albums, done numerous TV appearances, and authored "Far From the Shamrock Shore: The Story of Irish American History Through Song." -- ARSC Technical Committee panel session: "Small-Scale Audio Preservation, Storage, and Management Issues and Solutions." For both large and small institutions, insufficient resources or a limited IT infrastructure may dictate a small-scale preservation storage solution and a transitional storage strategy. This session presents case studies of small-scale approaches, and then develops the idea of a transitional repository that provides safe, interim storage until trusted, mass-storage-based preservation repositories are available to smaller institutions. Representatives from a commercial storage vendor and an academic institution will be on hand to raise larger issues and help answer questions. PRE-CONFERENCE WORKSHOP: "Preservation of Audio in the Digital Domain" This one-day workshop covers the basics of preserving audio i
[Phono-L] Which one? And why? and the one that got away great find story all in one!!!
I can give you a little interesting background on the upside down label Vernis Martin machine as I traded it to Bob. I will also say this is probably for me it's the machine that got away, although I am very happy with the machines I received in trade. It was a pleasure to trade with Bob. As far as collecting goes, it is interesting how one thing leads to another. I still consider myself a relatively novice collector. However, a few years ago I lucked into a nice collection of phonographs and records. I am not a record collector so I put them on eBay. To my surprise several of the records went in the $100-400 range. In my eBay description I explained that I wasn't good at grading records and that I mainly collected phonographs. At this point I was contacted by a record collector who lived nearby and wanted to look at the records. It was discussed that if he was interested, we might be able to work out a trade for his father's phonograph collection. Long story short we agreed that I would give him the records of his choice plus a large sum of cash in exchange for the collection. Shortly after we completed the transaction I received an e-mail that he (Chris King) had won a Grammy for best historical record. He has a fascinating job of hunting down rare 78's, figuring out their historical significance and remastering them onto CD. As for the Vernis Martin, it sat in his father's (Les King) collection near Homestead, Virginia for many years. Years ago, Les King played piano for Bill Haley who was famous for the song, "Rock around the Clock". Some of you may remember Les. He even recorded a few 78's of his own on a local label. I never knew him, but apparently he had a passion for collecting musical oddities since the 1950's. Chris and his father beat the bushes for old phonographs and records in the foothills of Virginia. They would go to old neighborhoods and ask around for old bluegrass, hillbilly 78's and phonographs. Apparently they did well. I purchased/traded for his collection of about forty machines and parts about five years ago. He had some nice machines including a Wizard, Hexaphone, AB McDonald, Columbia BS, Amberola 1A, but the Vernis Martin was the prize. I hoped to quickly sell enough machines to get my money back and still get to keep some of the higher end machines for my collection. A far cry from the Edison Homes and Standards I currently owned. My wife and family thought I was crazy. To be honest I felt a little foolish using my home as equity for antique phonographs. As phonograph collectors you might understand, but anyone else on the planet - no. The first show was in Delaware. I opened my van door full of Phonographs, it was amazing. I had a bidding war on several of the items. In fact, some of you probably purchased them from me in the parking lot. The guy running the show yelled at me for setting up in the parking lot so I closed shop, but I had already about emptied my van. Although I sold them too cheap, I got my money back within a few months and was able to keep the Hexaphone, BS, AB McDonald, and the Vernis Martin which I later traded for Eclipse and Victor XVIII. Interestingly enough I sold the bulk of the phonographs to a guy from Morocco who transported them in a container by ship and claimed there was a market for high end antiques there. Since then, I have sold him several more phonographs so perhaps there is a market. Who would have known? That was a long winded story and what you may ask, what is the moral??? Well if there is one, it would be you never know where the road will take you. If you have a passion for something such as phonograph collecting.follow up on your leads. Stuff is out there. It takes some work, but it is fun and along the way you will have great experiences, meet interesting people and if you are lucky you may even end up with a few interesting machines. Merry Christmas! John Pisano
[Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
When would 35873 have been made? That's my suitcase Home and it had (still has) a winged C with the side arm, when I acquired it in the late 1960s. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of gpaul2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer Mario, "Home" Phonograph No.25936 was built in February 1900; a bit early for a winged Model "C," although a perfectly legitimate update for the machine. George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
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Folks, For you internet savvy types out there, Phono-L now has its own RSS feed. The newest 25 messages in the current month's archive will show up in your favorite feed reader! It auto-updates every 20 minutes, so you can now keep up with the phono chatter easily. Point your favorite RSS reader at http://www.oldcrank.org/phono-l/ feed/index.rss Regards, Loran
[Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
A recent article in The Sound Box containing production dates for the suitcase Home indicated 35,873 was made in October, 1900. David -Original Message- From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer When would 35873 have been made? That's my suitcase Home and it had (still has) a winged C with the side arm, when I acquired it in the late 1960s. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of gpaul2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer Mario, "Home" Phonograph No.25936 was built in February 1900; a bit early for a winged Model "C," although a perfectly legitimate update for the machine. George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
[Phono-L] Which one? And why? and the one that got away great findstory all in one!!!
John: What a great story! Thanks for sharing it. Bob - Original Message - From: "John Pisano" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? and the one that got away great findstory all in one!!! >I can give you a little interesting background on the upside down label > Vernis Martin machine as I traded it to Bob. I will also say this is > probably for me it's the machine that got away, although I am very happy > with the machines I received in trade. It was a pleasure to trade with > Bob. > > > > As far as collecting goes, it is interesting how one thing leads to > another. > I still consider myself a relatively novice collector. However, a few > years > ago I lucked into a nice collection of phonographs and records. I am not > a > record collector so I put them on eBay. To my surprise several of the > records went in the $100-400 range. In my eBay description I explained > that > I wasn't good at grading records and that I mainly collected phonographs. > At this point I was contacted by a record collector who lived nearby and > wanted to look at the records. It was discussed that if he was > interested, > we might be able to work out a trade for his father's phonograph > collection. > Long story short we agreed that I would give him the records of his choice > plus a large sum of cash in exchange for the collection. > > > > Shortly after we completed the transaction I received an e-mail that he > (Chris King) had won a Grammy for best historical record. He has a > fascinating job of hunting down rare 78's, figuring out their historical > significance and remastering them onto CD. > > > > As for the Vernis Martin, it sat in his father's (Les King) collection > near > Homestead, Virginia for many years. Years ago, Les King played piano for > Bill Haley who was famous for the song, "Rock around the Clock". Some of > you may remember Les. He even recorded a few 78's of his own on a local > label. I never knew him, but apparently he had a passion for collecting > musical oddities since the 1950's. Chris and his father beat the bushes > for > old phonographs and records in the foothills of Virginia. They would go > to > old neighborhoods and ask around for old bluegrass, hillbilly 78's and > phonographs. Apparently they did well. I purchased/traded for his > collection of about forty machines and parts about five years ago. He had > some nice machines including a Wizard, Hexaphone, AB McDonald, Columbia > BS, > Amberola 1A, but the Vernis Martin was the prize. > > > > I hoped to quickly sell enough machines to get my money back and still get > to keep some of the higher end machines for my collection. A far cry from > the Edison Homes and Standards I currently owned. My wife and family > thought I was crazy. To be honest I felt a little foolish using my home > as > equity for antique phonographs. As phonograph collectors you might > understand, but anyone else on the planet - no. The first show was in > Delaware. I opened my van door full of Phonographs, it was amazing. I had > a > bidding war on several of the items. In fact, some of you probably > purchased them from me in the parking lot. The guy running the show > yelled > at me for setting up in the parking lot so I closed shop, but I had > already > about emptied my van. Although I sold them too cheap, I got my money back > within a few months and was able to keep the Hexaphone, BS, AB McDonald, > and > the Vernis Martin which I later traded for Eclipse and Victor XVIII. > > > > Interestingly enough I sold the bulk of the phonographs to a guy from > Morocco who transported them in a container by ship and claimed there was > a > market for high end antiques there. Since then, I have sold him several > more phonographs so perhaps there is a market. Who would have known? > > > > That was a long winded story and what you may ask, what is the moral??? > Well if there is one, it would be you never know where the road will take > you. If you have a passion for something such as phonograph > collecting.follow up on your leads. Stuff is out there. It takes some > work, > but it is fun and along the way you will have great experiences, meet > interesting people and if you are lucky you may even end up with a few > interesting machines. > > > > Merry Christmas! > > John Pisano > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Re: WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
Unfortunately some people don't know what an Edison Automatic is. There is a put together recorder "thing" currently on eBay advertised as an Automatic. It has the recorder weight, a copper diaphragm, and an arm that had the word RECORDER buffed out. One might almost think there was some fraud here! Yet I see some poor neophyte bidding on it. Regards to all, Al
[Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
Thanks! Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of drbor...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:02 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer A recent article in The Sound Box containing production dates for the suitcase Home indicated 35,873 was made in October, 1900. David -Original Message- From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer When would 35873 have been made? That's my suitcase Home and it had (still has) a winged C with the side arm, when I acquired it in the late 1960s. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of gpaul2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer Mario, "Home" Phonograph No.25936 was built in February 1900; a bit early for a winged Model "C," although a perfectly legitimate update for the machine. George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://www.oldcrank.org/phono-l/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Re: WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
Hi Al,What is the difference between a standard speaker and an automatic recorder?Steve> From: clockworkh...@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 03:02:05 -0500> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] Re: WANTED: Automatic Reproducer> > Unfortunately some people don't know what an Edison Automatic is. There is > a put together recorder "thing" currently on eBay advertised as an Automatic. > It has the recorder weight, a copper diaphragm, and an arm that had the > word RECORDER buffed out. One might almost think there was some fraud here! > Yet I see some poor neophyte bidding on it.> > Regards to all,> > Al> > ___> Phono-L mailing list> Phono-L@oldcrank.org> > Phono-L Archive> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Phono-L RSS Feed> http://www.oldcrank.org/phono-l/feed/index.rss> > Support Phono-L> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank From clockworkh...@aol.com Fri Dec 22 01:17:55 2006 From: clockworkh...@aol.com (clockworkh...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Standard Speaker was Automatic Reproducer Message-ID: In a message dated 12/21/2006 5:52:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: Hi Al,What is the difference between a standard speaker and an automatic recorder? Greetings Steve: The Standard Speaker and the Recorder differ only in that the stylus bar for the Standard Speaker has both a ball for playback and a cutter for recording plus the arm has *no* lettering. The recorder has only a cutter stylus with the arm labeled RECORDER. Theoretically, an inscrupulous dealer could take a recorder, make a blank arm, and have a dual stylus bar made to increase the sale price from a $150 item to a $1,500 item on eBay for the unwary. Merry Christmas to all, Al Who can now pass for Santa Claus without having to use makeup...
[Phono-L] Happy Holidays
Just wanted to take a moment and wish everyone a joyous holiday season! Regards, Loran
[Phono-L] Happy Holidays
Happy Holidays to the most civil group on the internet. Special thanks to Loran for making it possible for us to share our obsession. Bruce From wilenz...@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 22 13:20:45 2006 From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (wilenz...@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Cylinders wanted Message-ID: <000801c7260f$0b5233d0$6101a...@wilenzick> Hi Group: I would like to complete a set of Dr. Rosenthal's French Language Phone cylinders, and need numbers 1,2,3, 13, 14, and 23. Anybody have any of these in their original boxes and lids that they would like to get rid of by sale or trade? Thanks. Ray From mari...@optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 22 15:34:29 2006 From: mari...@optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia knocks of HMV/Victor Message-ID: <001001c72621$bbad1fd0$6401a...@tonyandjose> Now I haven't seen this soundbox before I think and when I saw the pic I thought he's posted the wrong pic to the wrong auction, but know. Did Columbia knock off the 5a/b HMV or Orthophonic soundboxes? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320064536614&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting Cheers, Mario From a...@popyrus.com Fri Dec 22 18:32:36 2006 From: a...@popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97449a27-cb6f-46c0-be13-334b0ee7d...@popyrus.com> Thank you Loran for keeping Phono-L going, and the same good holiday wishes to you and all those on this list who have been so helpful. You all have my sincerest appreciation. Andy Baron On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Loran Hughes wrote: > Just wanted to take a moment and wish everyone a joyous holiday > season! > > Regards, > Loran > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Phono-L RSS Feed > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Impact of length of 78rpm records
Everyone -- I'm WAY behind on emails and so maybe someone else mentioned this piece on NPR already. But just in case no one has, I thought you'd be interested: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6645723 It talks about how the length of the recordings impacted the music that got created. And all my very best wishes to everyone for the holidays. Merle www.littlewonderrecords.com
[Phono-L] Cylinders wanted
Try Mike Sorter, mdsor...@aol.com. I think he is on this group too. He has had some of those French ones in the past, I believe. wilenz...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Group: I would like to complete a set of Dr. Rosenthal's French Language Phone cylinders, and need numbers 1,2,3, 13, 14, and 23. Anybody have any of these in their original boxes and lids that they would like to get rid of by sale or trade? Thanks. Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Cure for the "Blues"
My Oregon Ducks played in the Vegas Bowl on Thursday and played a miserable game. I watched until I couldn't stand it any longer and then turned it off and viciously vacuumed the house. My vacuuming was interrupted by call from a local bicycle collector who knew that I was looking for a Schwinn Krate Sting Ray. I looked at an Orange Krate a week ago that was priced at $1295 and he told me about an Orange Krate that could be purchased for less than $800. It was just what I needed...I called the seller and it sounded like a good deal. The next morning I woke thinking more about cool bikes and not about interceptions, stupid penalties, and poor play execution. At work all I could think about was my date to look at the bike. I almost cleaned out two savings accounts that were already depleted from Christmas shopping. I promised the seller cash and my pocket was full. During my lunch break I took a few minutes to check out an antique shop in Independence, Oregon. The first thing I noticed when I entered the shop was an early Vic I. It was missing only the horn and elbow and priced at a very reasonable $350. My first collecting love is phonographs but a Schwinn Krate is something special. I avoided making to make a choice because the antique dealer offered to take my Visa. After work I raced to Salem, Oregon (with the Vic I at my side) and bought my first 5-speed Krate complete with springer front end, front drum brakes, ape hanger bars, and an orange skick tire on the rear! What a red letter day! It was the first time that I bought a wonderful record player and a terrific bike! If you come to Albany and see a grinning bald guy on a Sting Ray, it's probably me. Happy Holidays & Go Ducks! (next year) Jerry Blais __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Phono-L] Edison Automatic
Greetings all, and Happy Holidays. I've not posted for a very long time, but some might remember me. I've lost touch with many of my Phonograph friends. Life has a way of changing priorities (even for phonograph collectors). At any rate, I'm selling some items for a good friend. He is located overseas, but the items are here (with me in the USA). Some I will be posting on Ebay, but I'll try to put out to the list if that's ok. At any rate, I have a beautiful Edison Automatic reproducer for sale if anyone is interested. All original, no funny business and functioning well. Please make offer if interested. My address is drlun...@comcast.net Due to the varied nature of the items I'll be selling over the next few months, if you have any special requests or are looking for something, send me an email and I'll take a look. There are lots of pieces, parts, complete machines, cylinders (no Concert sized) and other items as well. I don't know (yet) everything available but I will be opening boxes over the coming weeks. Many thanks, David Lundin
[Phono-L] Cure for the "Blues"
SOunds like a winner of a day, Jerry!! Merry Christmas (or Happy Holidays, take your choice)! John RObles DeeDee Blais wrote: My Oregon Ducks played in the Vegas Bowl on Thursday and played a miserable game. I watched until I couldn't stand it any longer and then turned it off and viciously vacuumed the house. My vacuuming was interrupted by call from a local bicycle collector who knew that I was looking for a Schwinn Krate Sting Ray. I looked at an Orange Krate a week ago that was priced at $1295 and he told me about an Orange Krate that could be purchased for less than $800. It was just what I needed...I called the seller and it sounded like a good deal. The next morning I woke thinking more about cool bikes and not about interceptions, stupid penalties, and poor play execution. At work all I could think about was my date to look at the bike. I almost cleaned out two savings accounts that were already depleted from Christmas shopping. I promised the seller cash and my pocket was full. During my lunch break I took a few minutes to check out an antique shop in Independence, Oregon. The first thing I noticed when I entered the shop was an early Vic I. It was missing only the horn and elbow and priced at a very reasonable $350. My first collecting love is phonographs but a Schwinn Krate is something special. I avoided making to make a choice because the antique dealer offered to take my Visa. After work I raced to Salem, Oregon (with the Vic I at my side) and bought my first 5-speed Krate complete with springer front end, front drum brakes, ape hanger bars, and an orange skick tire on the rear! What a red letter day! It was the first time that I bought a wonderful record player and a terrific bike! If you come to Albany and see a grinning bald guy on a Sting Ray, it's probably me. Happy Holidays & Go Ducks! (next year) Jerry Blais __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Phono-L RSS Feed http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/feed/index.rss Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
I'd say that just about any Grafonola above the lower end ones is somewhat rare. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: "Andrew Baron" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > How common is the Columbia record ejector with the two rows of buttons at > the top, that resemble typewriter keys (nickeled ring with window showing > number)? In this case, mounted in a fairly conventional oak Grafonola. > My impression has been that it isn't all that rare, but with Bruce's > comment I began to wonder, and with Peter's, I began to realize that > there must have been a couple different versions; one with the double row > of buttons which I must assume was a later style, and the other with the > sliding indexer, which must be earlier since the Grafonola being > auctioned appears to predate the tone louvres. Wish the seller would > show some photos under the lid and inside all doors. > > Any insight into the relative rarity of the record ejection system, > particularly the double row of buttons version would be greatly > appreciated. > > Best, > Andy > > > > On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: > >> The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley record >> cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical slider which >> moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. You stop in front >> of the slot where the desired record resides, then depress a button, and >> a finger behind the disc edges it out through a felt-lined slot in the >> slider. Two rows, one each for 10" and 12." >> >> Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which is >> stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for a nice >> price if any of you is interested. >> >> and OMG, here's the patent: >> >> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html >> >> http://www.google.com/patents? >> vid=USPAT4108511&id=n-40EBAJ&dq=4108511 >> >> -- peter >> >> On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: >> >>> That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique >>> "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the >>> home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. >>> Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am >>> uncertain of the rarity. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "john robles" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? >>> >>> Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ewItem John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >>> >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >>> >>> Phono-L Archive >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >>> >>> Support Phono-L >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >
[Phono-L] Ejector unit rarity
I do not believe that these ejector units are rare. We had the double row version in a fumed oak F-2, which we sold 2 years ago. If I would see another one, I would not pay a premium for it. I view these ejector units as clever gadgets, but with no real panache. On the other hand, we love the satin walnut Mignonette (Late) in our collection (similar to the one in the ebay auction) But collectors do not place a premium on this machine, so there you go . . . . Mike and Suellen
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
Although most of the slots have been removed - note the piles of junk inside! And I'd swear the legs have been cut short, but that might be the angle of the view - Original Message - From: "bruce78rpm" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am uncertain of the rarity. Bruce - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola-victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > John Robles >
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
I assume that this is a Columbia 110. I recently bought a mint Columbia 100 (w/o the ejectors). It is surprising to me that these are not as valued as their Victor counterparts. Mine sits near a similarly common Victor and the Columbia blows the Victor away visually. Even my wife loves the looks of the 100. Everything about it seems higher quality than the Victor (uh oh - should I expect to be flamed now?). I have to admit that it doesn't photograph well - you really have to see these in person. From a...@popyrus.com Mon Dec 18 09:42:47 2006 From: a...@popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:11 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? In-Reply-To: <000901c722c9$9b3a0430$6401a...@new> References: <278413.43674...@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002601c722a4$ac71f980$6401a...@custom> <000901c722c9$9b3a0430$6401a...@new> Message-ID: <9988c300-10b4-4c2d-9d84-e796f838e...@popyrus.com> I see now that it does have the tone louvres. From the first single photo that was put with the auction, I didn't see the vertical lines delineating four panels and wrongly assumed that it had two doors only like the earliest generation of Grafonolas. Andy On Dec 18, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Dan K wrote: > Although most of the slots have been removed - note the piles of > junk inside! > > And I'd swear the legs have been cut short, but that might be the > angle of the view > > > - Original Message - > From: "bruce78rpm" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > > That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique > "record > ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the home > of an > elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. Certainly an > extremely > nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am uncertain of the rarity. > > Bruce > > > - Original Message - > From: "john robles" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > >> Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- >> victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVie >> wItem >> >> John Robles >> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand?
I took some photos of the Melba at the Victorian Palace last summer (actually when looking at the photos I have takenover the years there, I have photographed it several times. It is probably the most aesthetically pleasing machine there. Anyhow, I have uploaded the photos - please click below. http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/melba2.JPG http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/melba.JPG I also uploaded a photo of our Columbia Mignonette. http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/walnutcolumbia.JPG Suellen - Original Message - From: "Jeffry Young, D.O." To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand? I concur, that this is for a Melba. The only one that I have seen live is in Jasper's collection in Illinois. Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:07 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand? This eBay item looks interesting. Is it for a Victor machine? One of these days I will have to broaden my education beyond just Edison! ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250062457447 Best Wishes to Everyone, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
Here is a functional link to our Mignonette which is the same as the 110 (without the record ejector section). The ejector feature of our F2 was not a favorite of mine because some of the buttons did not work and the records were sometimes hard to fish out of there. Our bottom cabinet in the Mignonette is a bin. http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/walnutcolumbia.jpg - Original Message - From: "estott" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > I'd say that just about any Grafonola above the lower end ones is somewhat > rare. > > Eric Stott > > - Original Message - > From: "Andrew Baron" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > > > How common is the Columbia record ejector with the two rows of buttons at > > the top, that resemble typewriter keys (nickeled ring with window showing > > number)? In this case, mounted in a fairly conventional oak Grafonola. > > My impression has been that it isn't all that rare, but with Bruce's > > comment I began to wonder, and with Peter's, I began to realize that > > there must have been a couple different versions; one with the double row > > of buttons which I must assume was a later style, and the other with the > > sliding indexer, which must be earlier since the Grafonola being > > auctioned appears to predate the tone louvres. Wish the seller would > > show some photos under the lid and inside all doors. > > > > Any insight into the relative rarity of the record ejection system, > > particularly the double row of buttons version would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Best, > > Andy > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: > > > >> The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley record > >> cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical slider which > >> moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. You stop in front > >> of the slot where the desired record resides, then depress a button, and > >> a finger behind the disc edges it out through a felt-lined slot in the > >> slider. Two rows, one each for 10" and 12." > >> > >> Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which is > >> stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for a nice > >> price if any of you is interested. > >> > >> and OMG, here's the patent: > >> > >> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html > >> > >> http://www.google.com/patents? > >> vid=USPAT4108511&id=n-40EBAJ&dq=4108511 > >> > >> -- peter > >> > >> On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: > >> > >>> That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique > >>> "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the > >>> home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. > >>> Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am > >>> uncertain of the rarity. > >>> > >>> Bruce > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - From: "john robles" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM > >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > >>> > >>> > Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- > victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi > ewItem > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Phono-L mailing list > >>> Phono-L@oldcrank.org > >>> > >>> Phono-L Archive > >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >>> > >>> Support Phono-L > >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > >> > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >> > >> Support Phono-L > >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > > > Support Phono-L > > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
Very nice! Funny thing about most of these Columbia machines: the cranks often look as if they came from something else, because they stick out so far - Original Message - From: "funk" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? Here is a functional link to our Mignonette which is the same as the 110 (without the record ejector section). The ejector feature of our F2 was not a favorite of mine because some of the buttons did not work and the records were sometimes hard to fish out of there. Our bottom cabinet in the Mignonette is a bin. http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/walnutcolumbia.jpg
[Phono-L] Victor cabinet part help!
Hi Can anyone supply me with the metal escutcheon that engages the lid latch on a Victor IV? I think it is used in several of the Victors that have the button latch, you know, the nickeled button that you push to lift the motorboard to inspect the motor. Any help, or even a tracing of one so I could have it manufactured, would be appreciated. I don't know if they are reproduced, as Wyatt is closed til the New Year. Also searching for Columbia Viva Tonal record, don't have the number..Miss Lee Morse and her Bluegrass Boys (I think that's their name) singing 'I've Got Five Dollars'. John Robles
[Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand?
Suellen, You are quite right. The model is commonly refered to as the NEW Melba. There is another model of the Melba in a Mahogany cabinet with swag (cutain) type modings on each side and corner columns. Both machines were the top of the line HMV external horn models at the time and are considerably rarer than the Victor 6. Among collectors of HMV gramophones this is a pinnacle machine and yes this is the correct cabinet for it. I know of 4 of the machines here in Australia and none of the cabinets. It won't go cheap (where is the buy it now when you need it) Cheers, Mario - Original Message - From: "funk" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand? > I took some photos of the Melba at the Victorian Palace last summer > (actually when looking at the photos I have takenover the years there, I > have photographed it several times. It is probably the most aesthetically > pleasing machine there. Anyhow, I have uploaded the photos - please click > below. > http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/melba2.JPG > > http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/melba.JPG > > > I also uploaded a photo of our Columbia Mignonette. > http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/walnutcolumbia.JPG > > Suellen > > - Original Message - > From: "Jeffry Young, D.O." > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:19 AM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand? > > > I concur, that this is for a Melba. The only one that I have seen live > is in Jasper's collection in Illinois. > > Jeff > Wisconsin > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:07 AM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand? > > This eBay item looks interesting. Is it for a Victor machine? One of > these > days I will have to broaden my education beyond just Edison! ;-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250062457447 > > Best Wishes to Everyone, > > Al > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
That is definitely an above-average cabinet for a Grafonola; the ones I generally encounter in this area are extremely plain and boxy- most don't have the distinction of a good Silvertone. The short legs are now explained- the one on Ebay is missing the casters. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: "funk" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > Here is a functional link to our Mignonette which is the same as the 110 > (without the record ejector section). The ejector feature of our F2 was > not > a favorite of mine because some of the buttons did not work and the > records > were sometimes hard to fish out of there. Our bottom cabinet in the > Mignonette is a bin. > http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/walnutcolumbia.jpg > > > > - Original Message - > From: "estott" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > >> I'd say that just about any Grafonola above the lower end ones is >> somewhat >> rare. >> >> Eric Stott >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Andrew Baron" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? >> >> >> > How common is the Columbia record ejector with the two rows of buttons > at >> > the top, that resemble typewriter keys (nickeled ring with window > showing >> > number)? In this case, mounted in a fairly conventional oak >> > Grafonola. >> > My impression has been that it isn't all that rare, but with Bruce's >> > comment I began to wonder, and with Peter's, I began to realize that >> > there must have been a couple different versions; one with the double > row >> > of buttons which I must assume was a later style, and the other with > the >> > sliding indexer, which must be earlier since the Grafonola being >> > auctioned appears to predate the tone louvres. Wish the seller would >> > show some photos under the lid and inside all doors. >> > >> > Any insight into the relative rarity of the record ejection system, >> > particularly the double row of buttons version would be greatly >> > appreciated. >> > >> > Best, >> > Andy >> > >> > >> > >> > On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: >> > >> >> The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley record >> >> cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical slider which >> >> moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. You stop in > front >> >> of the slot where the desired record resides, then depress a button, > and >> >> a finger behind the disc edges it out through a felt-lined slot in >> >> the >> >> slider. Two rows, one each for 10" and 12." >> >> >> >> Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which is >> >> stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for a >> >> nice >> >> price if any of you is interested. >> >> >> >> and OMG, here's the patent: >> >> >> >> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html >> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/patents? >> >> vid=USPAT4108511&id=n-40EBAJ&dq=4108511 >> >> >> >> -- peter >> >> >> >> On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: >> >> >> >>> That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique >> >>> "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the >> >>> home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. >> >>> Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am >> >>> uncertain of the rarity. >> >>> >> >>> Bruce >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> - Original Message - From: "john robles" > >> >>> To: >> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM >> >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? >> >>> >> >>> >> Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- >> victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi >> ewItem >> >> John Robles >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> Phono-L mailing list >> >>> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >>> >> >>> Phono-L Archive >> >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> Support Phono-L >> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Phono-L mailing list >> >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> Phono-L Archive >> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> >> >> Support Phono-L >> >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> > >> > ___ >> > Phono-L mailing list >> > Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> > >> > Phono-L Archive >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
Here is another nicer one (with some work and sourcing of parts) that came on earlier today. Same basically but more carving/ http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phonograph-cabinate-very-ornate_W0QQitemZ170062314879QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38027QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Cheers, Mario - Original Message - From: "estott" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > That is definitely an above-average cabinet for a Grafonola; the ones I > generally encounter in this area are extremely plain and boxy- most don't > have the distinction of a good Silvertone. > The short legs are now explained- the one on Ebay is missing the casters. > > Eric Stott > > - Original Message - > From: "funk" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > > > Here is a functional link to our Mignonette which is the same as the 110 > > (without the record ejector section). The ejector feature of our F2 was > > not > > a favorite of mine because some of the buttons did not work and the > > records > > were sometimes hard to fish out of there. Our bottom cabinet in the > > Mignonette is a bin. > > http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/walnutcolumbia.jpg > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "estott" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > > > > >> I'd say that just about any Grafonola above the lower end ones is > >> somewhat > >> rare. > >> > >> Eric Stott > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Andrew Baron" > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" > >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:27 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > >> > >> > >> > How common is the Columbia record ejector with the two rows of buttons > > at > >> > the top, that resemble typewriter keys (nickeled ring with window > > showing > >> > number)? In this case, mounted in a fairly conventional oak > >> > Grafonola. > >> > My impression has been that it isn't all that rare, but with Bruce's > >> > comment I began to wonder, and with Peter's, I began to realize that > >> > there must have been a couple different versions; one with the double > > row > >> > of buttons which I must assume was a later style, and the other with > > the > >> > sliding indexer, which must be earlier since the Grafonola being > >> > auctioned appears to predate the tone louvres. Wish the seller would > >> > show some photos under the lid and inside all doors. > >> > > >> > Any insight into the relative rarity of the record ejection system, > >> > particularly the double row of buttons version would be greatly > >> > appreciated. > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Andy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: > >> > > >> >> The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley record > >> >> cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical slider which > >> >> moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. You stop in > > front > >> >> of the slot where the desired record resides, then depress a button, > > and > >> >> a finger behind the disc edges it out through a felt-lined slot in > >> >> the > >> >> slider. Two rows, one each for 10" and 12." > >> >> > >> >> Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which is > >> >> stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for a > >> >> nice > >> >> price if any of you is interested. > >> >> > >> >> and OMG, here's the patent: > >> >> > >> >> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html > >> >> > >> >> http://www.google.com/patents? > >> >> vid=USPAT4108511&id=n-40EBAJ&dq=4108511 > >> >> > >> >> -- peter > >> >> > >> >> On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique > >> >>> "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the > >> >>> home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. > >> >>> Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am > >> >>> uncertain of the rarity. > >> >>> > >> >>> Bruce > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> - Original Message - From: "john robles" > > > >> >>> To: > >> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM > >> >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- > >> victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi > >> ewItem > >> > >> John Robles > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >> > >> Support Phono-L > >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > >> >>> > >>
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
Looks like it has been through a flood! As does the one next to it. john Mario Frazzetto wrote: Here is another nicer one (with some work and sourcing of parts) that came on earlier today. Same basically but more carving/ http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phonograph-cabinate-very-ornate_W0QQitemZ170062314879QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38027QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Cheers, Mario - Original Message - From: "estott" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > That is definitely an above-average cabinet for a Grafonola; the ones I > generally encounter in this area are extremely plain and boxy- most don't > have the distinction of a good Silvertone. > The short legs are now explained- the one on Ebay is missing the casters. > > Eric Stott > > - Original Message - > From: "funk" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > > > Here is a functional link to our Mignonette which is the same as the 110 > > (without the record ejector section). The ejector feature of our F2 was > > not > > a favorite of mine because some of the buttons did not work and the > > records > > were sometimes hard to fish out of there. Our bottom cabinet in the > > Mignonette is a bin. > > http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/walnutcolumbia.jpg > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "estott" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > > > > >> I'd say that just about any Grafonola above the lower end ones is > >> somewhat > >> rare. > >> > >> Eric Stott > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Andrew Baron" > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" > >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:27 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > >> > >> > >> > How common is the Columbia record ejector with the two rows of buttons > > at > >> > the top, that resemble typewriter keys (nickeled ring with window > > showing > >> > number)? In this case, mounted in a fairly conventional oak > >> > Grafonola. > >> > My impression has been that it isn't all that rare, but with Bruce's > >> > comment I began to wonder, and with Peter's, I began to realize that > >> > there must have been a couple different versions; one with the double > > row > >> > of buttons which I must assume was a later style, and the other with > > the > >> > sliding indexer, which must be earlier since the Grafonola being > >> > auctioned appears to predate the tone louvres. Wish the seller would > >> > show some photos under the lid and inside all doors. > >> > > >> > Any insight into the relative rarity of the record ejection system, > >> > particularly the double row of buttons version would be greatly > >> > appreciated. > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Andy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: > >> > > >> >> The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley record > >> >> cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical slider which > >> >> moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. You stop in > > front > >> >> of the slot where the desired record resides, then depress a button, > > and > >> >> a finger behind the disc edges it out through a felt-lined slot in > >> >> the > >> >> slider. Two rows, one each for 10" and 12." > >> >> > >> >> Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which is > >> >> stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for a > >> >> nice > >> >> price if any of you is interested. > >> >> > >> >> and OMG, here's the patent: > >> >> > >> >> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html > >> >> > >> >> http://www.google.com/patents? > >> >> vid=USPAT4108511&id=n-40EBAJ&dq=4108511 > >> >> > >> >> -- peter > >> >> > >> >> On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique > >> >>> "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the > >> >>> home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. > >> >>> Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am > >> >>> uncertain of the rarity. > >> >>> > >> >>> Bruce > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> - Original Message - From: "john robles" > > > >> >>> To: > >> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM > >> >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- > >> victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi > >> ewItem > >> > >> John Robles > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >>
[Phono-L] Improved Concert Reproducers
I've been meaning to ask this for some time now... I've got two Victor Improved Concert reproducers. One has raised lettering on the front, the other has recessed lettering. They also have totally different needle bar assemblies. Does anyone here have more info on these different styles? Which one is earlier? Is anyone aware of this? I'll post a few photos this evening. Loran
[Phono-L] Improved Concert Reproducers
Loren: All I know is that they are correct for the Victrola 12 and the Vic 6. My Victrola 12 came with one in gold of course and It sounded crappy so I sold it on ebay and I got $1200. for it (and there were several bidders) I was surprised that it went for so much but They must be pretty rare to fetch that amount. I have not seen a gold one since, but several nickel ones have sold since on ebay. - Original Message - From: "Loran Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Improved Concert Reproducers > I've been meaning to ask this for some time now... I've got two Victor > Improved Concert reproducers. One has raised lettering on the front, the > other has recessed lettering. They also have totally different needle bar > assemblies. Does anyone here have more info on these different styles? > Which one is earlier? Is anyone aware of this? I'll post a few photos > this evening. > > Loran > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Improved Concert Reproducers
On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Albert wrote: > Loren: All I know is that they are correct for the Victrola 12 and > the Vic 6. My Victrola 12 came with one in gold of course and It > sounded crappy so I sold it on ebay and I got $1200. for it (and > there were several bidders) I was surprised that it went for so > much but They must be pretty rare to fetch that amount. I have not > seen a gold one since, but several nickel ones have sold since on > ebay. From what I remember reading in the Victor Data Book, they should be correct for any Victor phono as they were only sold separately - I think between 1912-17. I haven't seen another gold one since you sold yours either. Mine are both nickel. Loran
[Phono-L] reproducers
Are you talking about gold concert or improved concert? oldcranky
[Phono-L] Stanton's in New England and crank needed
Hi, If anyone in New England or New York wants to give Stanton's auctions some things to sell, he will be in Boston Wed and Thursday 1/3/07 and 1/4 with a truck to take things for the auction in April. Contact him if you have things for him to take. In addition I am in need of a short slotted crank for an Edison suitcase home. Supposedly there were reproductions made but I can't find anyone who sells them now. Thanks -Barry
[Phono-L] reproducers
Mike it was the gold Improved concert. I have never had a gold concert, those must be worth a fortune as well! Were they ever standard equipment on a machine? Maybe the first Vic 6? - Original Message - From: "Mike Stitt" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers > Are you talking about gold concert or improved concert? > oldcranky > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] reproducers
I've only seen one. When I was young and dumber, I told Jerry Blais about one a friend just picked up. Jerry has it now...lol. I am surprised an improved would bring that much money! eBay! The gold concert was made for? Only a guess from me. Can any of the folks out there help. Mike Albert wrote: > Mike it was the gold Improved concert. I have never had a gold > concert, those must be worth a fortune as well! Were they ever > standard equipment on a machine? Maybe the first Vic 6? > - Original Message - From: "Mike Stitt" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:54 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers > > >> Are you talking about gold concert or improved concert? >> oldcranky >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > >
[Phono-L] reproducers
Excuse my naivety in regards to Victor stuff, but what is the early soundbox (the one with the nipper and machine all around the body and in the casting)? And what is something like that worth? Cheers, Mario - Original Message - From: "Mike Stitt" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers > I've only seen one. When I was young and dumber, I told Jerry Blais > about one a friend just picked up. Jerry has it now...lol. I am > surprised an improved would bring that much money! eBay! The gold > concert was made for? Only a guess from me. Can any of the folks out > there help. > Mike > > Albert wrote: > > Mike it was the gold Improved concert. I have never had a gold > > concert, those must be worth a fortune as well! Were they ever > > standard equipment on a machine? Maybe the first Vic 6? > > - Original Message - From: "Mike Stitt" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:54 AM > > Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers > > > > > >> Are you talking about gold concert or improved concert? > >> oldcranky > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > >> > >> Support Phono-L > >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > > > Support Phono-L > > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > > > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Stanton's in New England and crank needed
Barry, Try Tim (Fabrizio) http://www.phonophan.com/parts.html. He has the early slotted crank (reproduction) for $35.00. He does not specify the length of the shaft, but does state generically that they are for the early Home, Standard, etc. You can always email him to get the specs. I can't think of anyone else right now with Ron and Dwayne closed for the season. Walt -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bkasindorf Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:14 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stanton's in New England and crank needed Hi, If anyone in New England or New York wants to give Stanton's auctions some things to sell, he will be in Boston Wed and Thursday 1/3/07 and 1/4 with a truck to take things for the auction in April. Contact him if you have things for him to take. In addition I am in need of a short slotted crank for an Edison suitcase home. Supposedly there were reproductions made but I can't find anyone who sells them now. Thanks -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006
[Phono-L] Edison BC-34
Hi Phono Folks: I will be in Portland Oregon during Christmas for a few days and if time permits, would like to touch base with some of you phono folks. If you live in or around Portland and might know of a phono event, it would be great to hear from you. For that matter, even checking out a collection or meeting the Grand Pooba of phono list would be a treat. If you are so inclined, please email me off list at: maff...@bresnan.net I may have time on Sunday(Dec. 24, or more likely on Tuesday the 26th. On an other note, I have recently acquired an Edison BC-34, which has a reproducer on it that I haven't encountered before. I am not sure if the Frow book has an appendix that shows Edison DD reproducers or not. I will try and describe what seems different. The top or throat of the reproducer, where it joins with the horizontal tube that connects to the horn is larger than normal. In some ways, it resembles a large metal mass shaped aprx. the size of a "snuff can". I can feel where the bottom of the reproducer is joined and will separator maybe swivel, if the 3 screws on top were removed. I realize a description is limiting, however maybe this description will ring some recollection. In the event the Fro book has a section on DD reproducers, what page?, and I can get someone to look. Any assistance would help. OH! the reproducer is nickel or chrome. Thanks Bob From lo...@oldcrank.com Tue Dec 19 16:11:59 2006 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:11 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison BC-34 In-Reply-To: <002001c723c9$e1b25d30$7a749...@amaffit> References: <002001c723c9$e1b25d30$7a749...@amaffit> Message-ID: <00b718f8-32ed-466e-990f-a11dcbf6a...@oldcrank.com> On Dec 19, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Bob or JoAnn Maffit wrote: > ... or meeting the Grand Pooba of phono list would be a treat. The Grand Pooba lives nearly 300 miles from Portland. I hear there are some decent collections at that end of the state! Loran
[Phono-L] Stanton's and a crank
Hi, If anyone in New England or New York wants to give Stanton's auctions some things to sell, he will be in Boston Wed and Thursday 1/3/07 and 1/4 with a truck to take things for the auction in April. Contact him if you have things for him to take. In addition I am in need of a short slotted crank for an Edison suitcase home. Supposedly there were reproductions made but I can't find anyone who sells them now. Thanks -Barry
[Phono-L] Edison BC-34
Hi Bob, I wrote you off list, you have a dance reproducer, I sent photos. Steve > From: maff...@bresnan.net> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 > 17:00:37 -0700> Subject: [Phono-L] Edison BC-34 > > Hi Phono Folks:> > I will > be in Portland Oregon during Christmas for a few days and if time permits, > would like to touch base with some of you phono folks. If you live in or > around Portland and might know of a phono event, it would be great to hear > from you. For that matter, even checking out a collection or meeting the > Grand Pooba of phono list would be a treat. If you are so inclined, please > email me off list at: maff...@bresnan.net> > I may have time on Sunday(Dec. > 24, or more likely on Tuesday the 26th.> > On an other note, I have recently > acquired an Edison BC-34, which has a reproducer on it that I haven't > encountered before.> > I am not sure if the Frow book has an appendix that > shows Edison DD reproducers or not. I will try and describe what seems > different.> > The top or throat of the reproducer, where it joins with the > horizontal tube that connects to the horn is larger than normal. In some > ways, it resembles a large metal mass shaped aprx. the size of a "snuff can". > I can feel where the bottom of the reproducer is joined and will separator > maybe swivel, if the 3 screws on top were removed. I realize a description is > limiting, however maybe this description will ring some recollection. In the > event the Fro book has a section on DD reproducers, what page?, and I can get > someone to look. > > Any assistance would help.> > OH! the reproducer is > nickel or chrome.> > Thanks> > Bob> > ___> Phono-L mailing list> > Phono-L@oldcrank.org> > Phono-L Archive> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank From mari...@optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 19 20:07:47 2006 From: mari...@optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:11 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer Message-ID: <001901c723ec$6a08bcc0$6401a...@tonyandjose> Hi Folks, I finally got a Suitcase Home in the condition I wanted it but It has a winged model C reproducer on it. Any chance that someone would have a spare AUtomatic that they might like to sell? If so please email me at: ma...@phonographsandgramophones.com Best Regards, Mario From lo...@oldcrank.com Tue Dec 19 20:12:34 2006 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:11 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Improved Concert Reproducers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15495bb2-89b2-45e2-a081-302f57ea0...@oldcrank.com> On Dec 19, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Loran Hughes wrote: > I've been meaning to ask this for some time now... I've got two > Victor Improved Concert reproducers. One has raised lettering on > the front, the other has recessed lettering. They also have totally > different needle bar assemblies. Does anyone here have more info on > these different styles? Which one is earlier? Is anyone aware of > this? I'll post a few photos this evening. OK, here are photos: http://homepage.mac.com/loranhughes/PhotoAlbum15.html When I got home this evening, I took apart the Improved Concert with the odd needle bar and saw that someone had hacked an Exhibition needle bar to fit... and did a relatively nice job at it to boot. But the photos do show the differences in lettering on the early and late style Improved Concerts. I don't think I've ever seen any other examples of the early style... has anyone here? Loran
[Phono-L] Where to find info on production methods of Columbia, Victor/HMV and Music Master Horns?
Hi Folks, Is there anyone that can direct me to information on how Wooden External horn were originally made? I would like to know for certain how these were produced, has there been anything written? Cheers, Mario From lhera...@bu.edu Wed Dec 20 05:36:31 2006 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:11 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer In-Reply-To: <001901c723ec$6a08bcc0$6401a...@tonyandjose> Message-ID: <003c01c7243b$df2c95e0$b6d42...@ad.bu.edu> What is wrong with a winged model C on a suitcase Home? Depending on its age, it was probably original, correct? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mario Frazzetto Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:08 PM To: Phono-L; Phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer Hi Folks, I finally got a Suitcase Home in the condition I wanted it but It has a winged model C reproducer on it. Any chance that someone would have a spare AUtomatic that they might like to sell? If so please email me at: ma...@phonographsandgramophones.com Best Regards, Mario ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
Ron, Fair point. The serial number on the home is H25936 So I'm not sure where that places the machine on the run. Cheers, Mario - Original Message - From: "Ron L" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:36 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer > What is wrong with a winged model C on a suitcase Home? Depending on its > age, it was probably original, correct? > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Mario Frazzetto > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:08 PM > To: Phono-L; Phonolist > Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer > > Hi Folks, > > I finally got a Suitcase Home in the condition I wanted it but It has a > winged model C reproducer on it. Any chance that someone would have a spare > AUtomatic that they might like to sell? > > If so please email me at: ma...@phonographsandgramophones.com > > Best Regards, > Mario > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
I've also seen early homes with early model Bs. Was that normal also? I have seen a few this way. John Robles Mario Frazzetto wrote: Ron, Fair point. The serial number on the home is H25936 So I'm not sure where that places the machine on the run. Cheers, Mario - Original Message - From: "Ron L" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:36 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer > What is wrong with a winged model C on a suitcase Home? Depending on its > age, it was probably original, correct? > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Mario Frazzetto > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:08 PM > To: Phono-L; Phonolist > Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer > > Hi Folks, > > I finally got a Suitcase Home in the condition I wanted it but It has a > winged model C reproducer on it. Any chance that someone would have a spare > AUtomatic that they might like to sell? > > If so please email me at: ma...@phonographsandgramophones.com > > Best Regards, > Mario > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Near Miss
I read George Paul's story on the Amberola 1 and it brought tears to my eyes. I had to ask DeeDee to get me a tissue. I thought to myself that it's never happened to me. Well, never is not forever. I am a Journeyman for Pacific Power & Light and last Thursday, the 14th, there was a wind storm that knocked power out for many areas all the way from Southern Oregon to Northern Washington. Prior to the storm, I had learned of an auction in Halsey, Oregon, about thirty minutes from my home. In the auction was some kind of Edison Amberola with records. In a storm situation my good wage turns into double time and then it was declared an "emergency" where we work sixteen hours on and eight off and are paid around the clock! It doesn't get much better especially around Christmas time. I didn't think much about the auction. I expected the it to be delayed but I didn't really care because the Amberola was probably a common 30 or 50. Yesterday, the last customers were back on line and I returned to my regular duties. On my lunch break I stopped at a local second hand store and there sat an Amberola 1-A with a "not for sale" sign on the top. The owner could hardly contain his happiness when I asked about the machine. Yes, he bought it at the Halsey auction...there was hardly anyone there...he bought it for $325 with the M reproducer. He proudly explained that he didn't realize what he bought until he returned home and did some some research. He told me that it was really rare and worth $3,000! The wheels were turning in my head. If I had been at the auction, I bet he would have dropped out around $500. I could have listed in on phono-l for a quick $2000 profit and made more money than I did on the four miserable days of storm work! Side story...I called Big Al, the guy that bought the $75 Col AB McDonald, and he was still out of power four days after the storm. I live about four hours from him and thought about offering to trade and deliver my 6500 watt generator for the AB McDonald! Pass the tissues and happy collecting, Jerry Blais __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Phono-L] Near Miss
Jerry, Several months ago I sent Big Al a drawing of the the little wing nut for the AB so he could have Dwayne Wyatt make him one. Do you know if he ever completed that project? Dave DeeDee Blais wrote: I read George Paul's story on the Amberola 1 and it brought tears to my eyes. I had to ask DeeDee to get me a tissue. I thought to myself that it's never happened to me. Well, never is not forever. I am a Journeyman for Pacific Power & Light and last Thursday, the 14th, there was a wind storm that knocked power out for many areas all the way from Southern Oregon to Northern Washington. Prior to the storm, I had learned of an auction in Halsey, Oregon, about thirty minutes from my home. In the auction was some kind of Edison Amberola with records. In a storm situation my good wage turns into double time and then it was declared an "emergency" where we work sixteen hours on and eight off and are paid around the clock! It doesn't get much better especially around Christmas time. I didn't think much about the auction. I expected the it to be delayed but I didn't really care because the Amberola was probably a common 30 or 50. Yesterday, the last customers were back on line and I returned to my regular duties. On my lunch break I stopped at a local second hand store and there sat an Amberola 1-A with a "not for sale" sign on the top. The owner could hardly contain his happiness when I asked about the machine. Yes, he bought it at the Halsey auction...there was hardly anyone there...he bought it for $325 with the M reproducer. He proudly explained that he didn't realize what he bought until he returned home and did some some research. He told me that it was really rare and worth $3,000! The wheels were turning in my head. If I had been at the auction, I bet he would have dropped out around $500. I could have listed in on phono-l for a quick $2000 profit and made more money than I did on the four miserable days of storm work! Side story...I called Big Al, the guy that bought the $75 Col AB McDonald, and he was still out of power four days after the storm. I live about four hours from him and thought about offering to trade and deliver my 6500 watt generator for the AB McDonald! Pass the tissues and happy collecting, Jerry Blais __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
In addition, many people at the time replaced the automatic with the winged C since it sounded so much better. I think Edison jobbers may have had a trade in policy. -Barry Mario Frazzetto wrote: > Ron, > > Fair point. The serial number on the home is H25936 > > So I'm not sure where that places the machine on the run. > > Cheers, > Mario > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ron L" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:36 AM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer > > >> What is wrong with a winged model C on a suitcase Home? Depending on its >> age, it was probably original, correct? >> >> Ron L >> >> -Original Message- >> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > On >> Behalf Of Mario Frazzetto >> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:08 PM >> To: Phono-L; Phonolist >> Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> I finally got a Suitcase Home in the condition I wanted it but It has a >> winged model C reproducer on it. Any chance that someone would have a > spare >> AUtomatic that they might like to sell? >> >> If so please email me at: ma...@phonographsandgramophones.com >> >> Best Regards, >> Mario >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer
The new style home case came out in 1901 and the model C came out in early 1902 so its likely the original owner upgraded. Steve > > What is wrong with a winged model C on a suitcase Home? Depending on its> > > age, it was probably original, correct?> > Ron L> > From steve_nor...@msn.com Wed Dec 20 14:06:04 2006 From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:11 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer Message-ID: Hi John, The early B replaced the automatic, the last automatic has a hinge block and limit loop so Edison took the bottom of the last automatic and put a new top on it. Some phonos that came out in 1901 came with the early B, the early B got the factory notch for the centering pin around serial number 18,000. Edison developed the C in 1901 and shipped samples to dealers on Jan 6 1902. By serial number 40,000 it was called the B and Edison decided to keep it for the Gem, perhaps to use up his stock of ball stylus. I know of suitcase standard with an early B with a three digit serial number. I think Edison got the idea for the hanging weight and dome top from Mobley. Mobley made these for the automatic and the early B. Steve > I've also seen early homes with early model Bs. Was that normal also? I have > seen a few this way.> John Robles> > Mario Frazzetto > wrote:> Ron,> > Fair point. The serial number on > the home is H25936> > So I'm not sure where that places the machine on the > run.> > Cheers,> Mario> > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ron L" > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:36 > AM> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer> > > > What is wrong > with a winged model C on a suitcase Home? Depending on its> > age, it was > probably original, correct?> >> > Ron L> >> > -Original Message-> > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]> On> > > Behalf Of Mario Frazzetto> > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:08 PM> > > To: Phono-L; Phonolist> > Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer> >> > > Hi Folks,> >> > I finally got a Suitcase Home in the condition I wanted it > but It has a> > winged model C reproducer on it. Any chance that someone > would have a> spare> > AUtomatic that they might like to sell?> >> > If so > please email me at: ma...@phonographsandgramophones.com> >> > Best Regards,> > > Mario> > ___> > Phono-L mailing > list> > Phono-L@oldcrank.org> >> > Phono-L Archive> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> >> > Support Phono-L> > > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank> >> > > ___> > Phono-L mailing list> > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org> >> > Phono-L Archive> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> >> > Support Phono-L> > > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank> > > ___> Phono-L mailing list> > Phono-L@oldcrank.org> > Phono-L Archive> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank> > > ___> Phono-L mailing list> > Phono-L@oldcrank.org> > Phono-L Archive> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank From gpaul2...@aol.com Wed Dec 20 14:18:13 2006 From: gpaul2...@aol.com (gpaul2...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:11 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: Automatic Reproducer Message-ID: <52a.bdfd231.32bb1...@aol.com> Mario, "Home" Phonograph No.25936 was built in February 1900; a bit early for a winged Model "C," although a perfectly legitimate update for the machine. George Paul
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6185179&id=zOEGEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=edison+tinfoil#PPA10,M1 From esrobe...@hotmail.com Thu Dec 14 15:52:14 2006 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:10 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph References: <003501c71fcf$0ef99f00$6600a...@scott> Message-ID: I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? - Original Message - From: "Scott Colgrove" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6185179&id=zOEGEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=edison+tinfoil#PPA10,M1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] AB McDonald
Here's the gospel truth on the AB McDonald...Last year I traveled to Union with Alan Christensen. It was rather slim pickings until we were almost to Union and we stopped at a shop in Illinois. Inside the shop were several neat things including a $150 RCA chair, a couple of $35 Vogues and tucked away in the far corner was the AB. It was priced at $125 (not sure about this exact price) and we expected there to be nothing under the lid. To our surprise, it was missing only the key, large mandrel, reproducer and a few other minor parts. Al and I arm wrestled for it and he is not called "Big Al" for nothing. He really should be called "Cheap Al" because he asked for a dealer discount and got it for $75. I suggested that he use the $50 for a bus ticket home but we finished the trip and had a great time. I did buy the RCA chair and the Vogues but the AB McDonald was the buy of the trip. A PhonoNut should really consider the truck. It will occasionally pull to the right. When it does, you should take the next exit because there's probably an antique shop with a treasure. I've found an Edison Doll, black Lamberts, an Edison Concert and a BS coinslot all between Oregon and Union. I'm only selling the truck because I can't afford all the treasures that it takes me to! Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com
[Phono-L] AB McDonald
Great story! Thanks for sharing it. I almost never stop anywhere on the way to Union because I figure somebody has already been there before me and picked up anything worth while. Your story makes me reconsider this strategy. Dave DeeDee Blais wrote: Here's the gospel truth on the AB McDonald...Last year I traveled to Union with Alan Christensen. It was rather slim pickings until we were almost to Union and we stopped at a shop in Illinois. Inside the shop were several neat things including a $150 RCA chair, a couple of $35 Vogues and tucked away in the far corner was the AB. It was priced at $125 (not sure about this exact price) and we expected there to be nothing under the lid. To our surprise, it was missing only the key, large mandrel, reproducer and a few other minor parts. Al and I arm wrestled for it and he is not called "Big Al" for nothing. He really should be called "Cheap Al" because he asked for a dealer discount and got it for $75. I suggested that he use the $50 for a bus ticket home but we finished the trip and had a great time. I did buy the RCA chair and the Vogues but the AB McDonald was the buy of the trip. A PhonoNut should really consider the truck. It will occasionally pull to the right. When it does, you should take the next exit because there's probably an antique shop with a treasure. I've found an Edison Doll, black Lamberts, an Edison Concert and a BS coinslot all between Oregon and Union. I'm only selling the truck because I can't afford all the treasures that it takes me to! Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Too boring to read through, isn't it? I scanned part of it, and it sounds like the cylinder is a plastic soda bottle that will vibrate from sounds in the air. No need to "put" sound waves into the cylinder. And the needle (as I'm sure you saw) is fixed. Jim On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the > soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and > redundant. What am I missing? > > > - Original Message - From: "Scott Colgrove" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph > > > Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil > phonograph and method of recording/playback. > > http://www.google.com/patents? > vid=USPAT6185179&id=zOEGEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=edison > +tinfoil#PPA10,M1 >
[Phono-L] Patent Searches
OK, here's another helpful tool that I've found. After you've found patents in Google, pop over to http://www.pat2pdf.org/ . Enter the patent number and the site will generate a downloadable PDF file. Loran
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Exactly! Though I read through 75% of it anyway because I guess I have too much time on my hands. Anyway, why would the patent office even register this? (or did it?) Seems like the equivalent to "frivolous lawsuits". Still glad it got mentioned, though. - Original Message - From: "Jim Nichol" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph > Too boring to read through, isn't it? I scanned part of it, and it sounds > like the cylinder is a plastic soda bottle that will vibrate from sounds > in the air. No need to "put" sound waves into the cylinder. And the > needle (as I'm sure you saw) is fixed. > > Jim > > On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > >> I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the >> soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and >> redundant. What am I missing? >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Scott Colgrove" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph >> >> >> Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph >> and method of recording/playback. >> >> http://www.google.com/patents? >> vid=USPAT6185179&id=zOEGEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=edison >> +tinfoil#PPA10,M1 >> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >
[Phono-L] Victor Record Box albums for sale
Howdy, I have nine 12" and six 10" albums for sale. These are the boxes that go int the first L door Victrolas. They are in VG shape. One 12" has some damage to the hinged door. They don't have any letters on them. Some have paper labels on the binder. One of the 12" is thicker than the others. They all have the dividers on the inside. Asking price is $450 and I don't want to ship them. I am on Long Island, NY. thanks, Alan
[Phono-L] ARSC Conference Travel Grants
The following message has been posted by the Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC). If you need further information, please click on the link below. Please DO NOT simply hit REPLY or post further messages to this list. -- ARSC CONFERENCE TRAVEL GRANTS -- Application Deadline: January 30, 2007 The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is now accepting applications for ARSC Conference Travel Grants to be awarded in 2007. The grants are designed to: -- encourage ARSC members to attend their first ARSC conference -- reach out to college students and professionals in the early stages of their careers -- promote mentoring and professional development opportunities -- advance scholarly research and publication -- support ARSC members who desire to participate more actively in the association. Grant recipients are awarded: -- complimentary registration for the entire ARSC Annual Conference -- gratis registration for the Pre-Conference Workshop, and -- reimbursement up to US$750 to defray the expenses of transportation and lodging (upon approval of valid receipts, to be submitted after the conference). At the time of application, the applicant must be a member of ARSC in good standing, planning to attend his or her first ARSC conference. The applicant must also be one of the following: -- a college or university student aspiring to work with sound recordings -- a recent graduate seeking a professional position involving sound recordings -- a professional within the first five years of his or her career, who has demonstrated a dedication to sound recordings -- a researcher or discographer showing compelling prospects for the publication or dissemination of his or her scholarly work. Each applicant must submit: -- a letter of application describing the applicant's background and current activities, clearly indicating why the applicant merits consideration for an ARSC Conference Travel Grant -- a proposed budget for travel costs -- an itemization of any non-ARSC funds that the applicant may receive toward ARSC conference attendance, such as institutional support, etc. -- a brief resume or curriculum vitae, and -- two letters of support, sent under separate cover (e-mail is acceptable). The letter of application and supporting materials must be received by January 30, 2007. Send them to: Louise Spear, ARSC Conference Travel Grant Committee The Recording Academy 3402 Pico Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405 For more information, please e-mail: loui...@grammy.com Applicants will be notified about the award decisions by March 15, 2007.
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
On Dec 14, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > Anyway, why would the patent office even register this? To help out a toymaker? Actually, the Patent Office apparently will register a patent on virtually anything these days. Especially if it's related to computers or the Internet. I took a course in patent theory in college, and I know that to receive a patent your idea is supposed to be "novel". Explain to me how all these computer patents are "novel", when someone can get a patent on 1-Click purchasing, or a slew of other equally ridiculous and TOTALLY obvious ideas. Matter of fact, companies are constantly having to get patents on non-novel ideas, just to prevent others from doing it first. They ought to disband the Patent Office, and start over with employees willing to follow patent law. If they'd start rejecting non- novel ideas and publishing the rejections, then others would know they don't need to worry about getting a patent on an "all green web page", or something else as silly. Jim
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
The present state of patent / copyright around the world is allot like several small children in a sandbox fighting over one toy. It is a mess and broke. Rich On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:07:30 -0500, Jim Nichol wrote: >On Dec 14, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Robert Wright wrote: >> Anyway, why would the patent office even register this? >To help out a toymaker? Actually, the Patent Office apparently will >register a patent on virtually anything these days. Especially if >it's related to computers or the Internet. I took a course in patent >theory in college, and I know that to receive a patent your idea is >supposed to be "novel". Explain to me how all these computer patents >are "novel", when someone can get a patent on 1-Click purchasing, or >a slew of other equally ridiculous and TOTALLY obvious ideas. Matter >of fact, companies are constantly having to get patents on non-novel >ideas, just to prevent others from doing it first. >They ought to disband the Patent Office, and start over with >employees willing to follow patent law. If they'd start rejecting non- >novel ideas and publishing the rejections, then others would know >they don't need to worry about getting a patent on an "all green web >page", or something else as silly. >Jim
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
In a message dated 12/14/2006 9:45:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, esrobe...@hotmail.com writes: > >> [Robert]: I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put > the > >> soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and > >> redundant. What am I missing? > == This 6,185,179 is actually a rather clever reversal of the principle embodied in the 1877-78 primal patent, with the record itself doing the work of the diaphragm. US Patent law, unlike that of other countries, does not require that an item be actually manufactured. Since this stylus is supposed to be fixed and rather unyielding, the wear factor on the recording would be great, and not recommended for any long-lasting sound. Allen www.phonobooks.com
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
A bigger question now might be WHY would somebody re-patent the tinfoil phonograph? Ego? Because he can? Does anybody know if Carl Mohrin is a collector / dealer / researcher??? It might be interesting to hear his side of the story. Sounds like an article for the Soundbox! From lo...@oldcrank.com Fri Dec 15 09:10:45 2006 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:10 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph In-Reply-To: <001b01c72065$96301df0$6600a...@scott> References: <001b01c72065$96301df0$6600a...@scott> Message-ID: On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Scott Colgrove wrote: > A bigger question now might be WHY would somebody re-patent the > tinfoil phonograph? Ego? Because he can? > > Does anybody know if Carl Mohrin is a collector / dealer / > researcher??? > > It might be interesting to hear his side of the story. Sounds like > an article for the Soundbox! My guess is an educational toy and/or to be used in science classes? He at least must have thought there is some profit to be made in the idea. Any manufacturer could plop out "educational" phonographs based on Edison's expired patent(s). I must say his idea is certainly novel... but I wouldn't think it would work all that well. BTW, you can't re-patent an expired patent, but the patent office does seem to patent first and let others scratch their heads afterwards. I know several computer software related patents have been revoked on challenge recently. You think a 2001 phonograph patent is goofy... how about the 90 or so wheel patents that are approved yearly! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/24/ AR2005112401003.html Loran
[Phono-L] Edison Radio/Phonograph Combinations...Dates
I'm a little confused after reading some of the material on Ben's site. The R-1, R2, C-1 and C-2 were introduced in Sept. or Oct. of 1928. Was there some kind of access to Splitdorf's patents so these machines could be manufactured and put on the market? The first C-2 I owned had all the original paperwork with it including the warranty card completely filled in with the date of 12/15/28, but the original owner never mailed it. Also some Service Supplements are dated Jan. 17, 1929 concerning problems associated with those models, hardly enough time for problems to be discovered unless they had come out in 1928. I understand that the final sale of Splitdorf did not occur until 1929. These above mentioned models used Splitdorf electronics with possibley the design help of the Edison staff or Theodore himself, since it was his own clever design for the pickup that played DD as well as the Needle cuts. Did I miss something in reading and understanding these dates? On the top of the scratch filters in both my C-1 and C-2 there is a date written in red grease pencil OKing that particular motor board and pickup unit. The C-2 was dated 1928 and the C-1, Jan. 1929. BTW, those color ads are spectacular and I'd like to publicly thank Ben for making those and all the other information available to those of us that are fascinated by the last products of Edison. Best, Bruce
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
This discussion on patents and their relative value is interesting. In "The Phonograph Book" written by Lloyd Macfarlane, Chapter XX, he states "Many an ingenious invention is not worth the paper it is written on, because it is not appreciated by those who are in a position to exploit it, but ninety nine percent of them are worthless just because they are." The author wrote this book in 1917 !!! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:52 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? - Original Message - From: "Scott Colgrove" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6185179&id=zOEGEBAJ&printsec=abst ract&zoom=4&dq=edison+tinfoil#PPA10,M1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Just watch the "Tinfoil Crapophones" pop up now.
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:32 PM, tuban...@aol.com wrote: > Just watch the "Tinfoil Crapophones" pop up now. Also known as a "Reynolds Wrap-O-Phone". ;) Loran
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Thanks, Allen! Though my actual question wasn't all that clear, this answers it exactly. Guess I shoulda read the whole thing. best, r. - Original Message - From: > This 6,185,179 is actually a rather clever reversal of the principle > embodied in the 1877-78 primal patent, with the record itself doing the > work of the > diaphragm. US Patent law, unlike that of other countries, does not require > that an item be actually manufactured. Since this stylus is supposed to be > fixed > and rather unyielding, the wear factor on the recording would be great, > and > not recommended for any long-lasting sound. > > Allen > www.phonobooks.com
[Phono-L] Re: [phonolist] Google Patent search
If you want Edison's patents, there is no need to search - apparently all of them are at http://edison.rutgers.edu/patents.htm
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K
Hi ALL,,, There is so much to be found and questioned and talked about at this web site. Thanks s much, Loran, for sharing this with all of us! Guess you know just what we all will be doing well into the New Year! Even though I much appreciate having ALLEN's Patent book and all the work Allen did for 'our caring over many years', I would like to take a moment to say 'thank you', Allen Koenigsberg for all your "Antique Phonograph Monthly Archives Of Recorded Sound", which I have saved in your white holders, that remain attached on the door of our spare bedroom, now my phonograph and computer room! Also thanks to your help with worldofgramophones.com, history section! The computer brings many new avenues to our hobby. It may find many new carers 'together', that once were not. Like this one for example: I typed in 'cylinder recordings' on the Google patent site and it showed this patent from Syracuse University, issue date of May 9, 2006! Isn't it fascinating? The problem I have is 'copying' to share here! Thanks everyone,,, for your wisdom,,, shared! Joan
[Phono-L] Edison Radio/Phonograph Combinations...Dates
Since Edison and S'dorf had an alliance established, it would seem to me that Spitdorf's patents would all have been laid at Edison's disposal. There had also been some sort of a tieup between Edison and Splitdorf in nearlier years. Splitdorf was a major supplier of magnetos to the automotive and aircraft engine builders. I have seen..somewhere the two names used together long before radios. I'd like to know more about it, but I have enough stuff to keep track of as it is. I agree about the pictures in Ben Tongue's article. The later Edison cabinets were as handsome as some of the finest of other companies. > [Original Message] > From: Bruce Mercer > To: > Date: 12/15/2006 2:33:16 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Radio/Phonograph Combinations...Dates > > I'm a little confused after reading some of the material on Ben's site. The > R-1, R2, C-1 and C-2 were introduced in Sept. or Oct. of 1928. Was there > some kind of access to Splitdorf's patents so these machines could be > manufactured and put on the market? The first C-2 I owned had all the > original paperwork with it including the warranty card completely filled in > with the date of 12/15/28, but the original owner never mailed it. Also some > Service Supplements are dated Jan. 17, 1929 concerning problems associated > with those models, hardly enough time for problems to be discovered unless > they had come out in 1928. I understand that the final sale of Splitdorf > did not occur until 1929. These above mentioned models used Splitdorf > electronics with possibley the design help of the Edison staff or Theodore > himself, since it was his own clever design for the pickup that played DD as > well as the Needle cuts. Did I miss something in reading and understanding > these dates? On the top of the scratch filters in both my C-1 and C-2 there > is a date written in red grease pencil OKing that particular motor board and > pickup unit. The C-2 was dated 1928 and the > C-1, Jan. 1929. > BTW, those color ads are spectacular and I'd like to publicly thank Ben for > making those and all the other information available to those of us that are > fascinated by the last products of Edison. > Best, > Bruce > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Phonomobile for sale
The PhonoMobile has taken me to Union by almost every route available and I've almost always found something. One beautiful route was US Hwy 2 from eastern Washington to the Mackinaw Bridge in Michigan. It was an interesting route but it was almost barren of antique shops. It was so bad that I stopped at a few Goodwill stores just to look at something old! I'm sure the trucks' good luck would hold for an east coast collector. There's a lot of good miles left on it. An interesting fact...it rains a lot in Oregon but rust is not a problem on our vehicles. We don't salt the roads. I have never had a spot of rust on any car or truck that I have owned in almost forty years of driving. Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Phono-L] Phonomobile for sale
I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed hearing about, and laying my own antiquing fantasies, upon this vehicle. I've discovered myself wondering not about the collections of the members of our list, but the real-world circumstances of their favorite discoveries. Anyone care to warm our hearts by describing the situation through which you each discovered the one find you never saw coming? (Feel free to change the names to protect the innocent.) Thanks in advance! Robert - Original Message - From: "DeeDee Blais" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Phonomobile for sale > The PhonoMobile has taken me to Union by almost every > route available and I've almost always found > something. One beautiful route was US Hwy 2 from > eastern Washington to the Mackinaw Bridge in Michigan. > It was an interesting route but it was almost barren > of antique shops. It was so bad that I stopped at a > few Goodwill stores just to look at something old! > > I'm sure the trucks' good luck would hold for an east > coast collector. There's a lot of good miles left on > it. An interesting fact...it rains a lot in Oregon > but rust is not a problem on our vehicles. We don't > salt the roads. I have never had a spot of rust on > any car or truck that I have owned in almost forty > years of driving. Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >
[Phono-L] Looking for parts
Hi gang I am looking for two parts; one is an original horn elbow for a Victor IV, and a motorboard latch for the same machine. I am not sure why the latch would be missing but it is. The latch is the metal button on a metal bar that screws into the inside front of the cabinet and latches the motorboard down. I am not sure if it is the same on the Vic III, IV,V and VI or not.. Any help with these parts is greatly appreciated. There is a repro elbow for now so no great rush to find it, just would like to replace the repro at some point. Does anyone make a good repro elbow? This one is the older, thicker metal type. The latch is the more important part at the moment. Thanks John
[Phono-L] "Stories of Discovery"
"...the one find you never saw coming?" I'll bet the challange for many of us on this list would be to narrow it down to one! For myself, I saw relatively few phono-finds coming -- it was mostly dumb luck, augmented a bit by persistance. Well, here's a good story with a bad ending... I once stopped by an out-of-the-way antique shop outside of Stroudsburg, PA. It was apparently the only house on the road, but there was no sign or any indication of shop being there. I asked an elderly man in the front yard if there was an antique shop nearby, as I had been told. He asked me what I was looking for, and I told him. The man waved me into his driveway, and a minute later he was leading me across the road, up an embankment into a wooded area. (I could hear the banjo playing from "Deliverance".) The only structure was a chicken coop, and sure enough, he opened the unlocked door and led me inside. As my eyes adjusted to the relative darkness, I saw a familiar form looming - a mahogany Amberola "IA" with its four drawers full of records - and about 25% of them were Royal Purples. Everything was in good shape; thankfully, the chicken coop was weather-tight. That's the good part. The not-so-good part was that it was January 1973, I was only 19, and had never seen an Amberola "IA" before (my copy of the first Frow book would arrive a month later). In complete ignorance, I offered the gentleman $150, and he scratched his chin in thought. I suddenly realized that if he accepted my offer, I'd be obliged to drive back to the hotel where my parents and I were staying, and talk dad into a loan (NOT a guaranteed proposition by any means!). Plus, we would have to somehow fit the machine into dad's Buick - along with its 4 occupants. All this flashed through my mind as the old fellow cogitated. Finally - to my relief - he said that he'd need a little more. Like a dunce, I thanked him and drove away. A month later, I found the machine in the Frow book (remember the old blue softcover?), and I wrote the old man a letter (Yes - I had taken his address. I can claim THAT much foresight!). I offered the man $200 and was willing to drive the 4 hours back to Stroudsburg to retrieve the machine. I never heard back from him. Six years later, now married, I found myself driving by Stroudsburg with my lovely wife. I recounted the sad story to her, and she agreed to take the time to try finding the chicken coop of hallowed memory. Unbelievably, our van (undoubtedly a relative of Jerry's) turned this way and that, leading us straight to the place within 10 minutes! Even more surprising - there stood the elderly man in front of his house! I pulled in, got out and re-introduced myself. Sure, he remembered me, and added, "I only sold that phonograph this spring to a dealer in Delaware Water Gap for $200 - and he turned around and got $400 for it!" In reply to my slightly exasperated question of why he never contacted me after my letter, he stated, "I didn't think you were serious." That was in August 1979. Since then, I've given no seller any reason to question my seriousness! I have many stories with happier endings, but I enjoy the cloud of pervasive ignorance that surrounds this one... George Paul Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K
On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:39 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote: > Thanks s much, Loran, for sharing this with all of us! Guess > you know > just what we all will be doing well into the New Year! You're quite welcome, Joan. Here's a couple of fun ones for you... check out patent nos. 460492 and 1146342. Loran From ediso...@verizon.net Sat Dec 16 12:05:03 2006 From: ediso...@verizon.net (Dan K) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:10 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K References: <4d7c64ed-5784-4817-a28a-fd1aa4e60...@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <000601c7214d$79b1c3c0$6401a...@new> Love the phono-cash register, but he seems to have the 'horn' facing the cashier instead of the customer. hmm. We had a local grocery, Tops Market, try the electronic version about 20 years ago. Of course, everyone called that store "the Talking Tops" ! - Original Message - From: "Loran T. Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:39 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote: > Thanks s much, Loran, for sharing this with all of us! Guess > you know > just what we all will be doing well into the New Year! You're quite welcome, Joan. Here's a couple of fun ones for you... check out patent nos. 460492 and 1146342. Loran
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K
In a message dated 12/16/2006 3:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, ediso...@verizon.net writes: > > You're quite welcome, Joan. Here's a couple of fun ones for you... > check out patent nos. 460492 > == This one (and others like it) is pictured and explained in PHP. The "announcement" feature was more to keep the clerks honest... as it kept them on their toes, as the amounts they rang up were enunciated. Allen
[Phono-L] "Stories of Discovery"
That broke my heart... gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: "...the one find you never saw coming?" I'll bet the challange for many of us on this list would be to narrow it down to one! For myself, I saw relatively few phono-finds coming -- it was mostly dumb luck, augmented a bit by persistance. Well, here's a good story with a bad ending... I once stopped by an out-of-the-way antique shop outside of Stroudsburg, PA. It was apparently the only house on the road, but there was no sign or any indication of shop being there. I asked an elderly man in the front yard if there was an antique shop nearby, as I had been told. He asked me what I was looking for, and I told him. The man waved me into his driveway, and a minute later he was leading me across the road, up an embankment into a wooded area. (I could hear the banjo playing from "Deliverance".) The only structure was a chicken coop, and sure enough, he opened the unlocked door and led me inside. As my eyes adjusted to the relative darkness, I saw a familiar form looming - a mahogany Amberola "IA" with its four drawers full of records - and about 25% of them were Royal Purples. Everything was in good shape; thankfully, the chicken coop was weather-tight. That's the good part. The not-so-good part was that it was January 1973, I was only 19, and had never seen an Amberola "IA" before (my copy of the first Frow book would arrive a month later). In complete ignorance, I offered the gentleman $150, and he scratched his chin in thought. I suddenly realized that if he accepted my offer, I'd be obliged to drive back to the hotel where my parents and I were staying, and talk dad into a loan (NOT a guaranteed proposition by any means!). Plus, we would have to somehow fit the machine into dad's Buick - along with its 4 occupants. All this flashed through my mind as the old fellow cogitated. Finally - to my relief - he said that he'd need a little more. Like a dunce, I thanked him and drove away. A month later, I found the machine in the Frow book (remember the old blue softcover?), and I wrote the old man a letter (Yes - I had taken his address. I can claim THAT much foresight!). I offered the man $200 and was willing to drive the 4 hours back to Stroudsburg to retrieve the machine. I never heard back from him. Six years later, now married, I found myself driving by Stroudsburg with my lovely wife. I recounted the sad story to her, and she agreed to take the time to try finding the chicken coop of hallowed memory. Unbelievably, our van (undoubtedly a relative of Jerry's) turned this way and that, leading us straight to the place within 10 minutes! Even more surprising - there stood the elderly man in front of his house! I pulled in, got out and re-introduced myself. Sure, he remembered me, and added, "I only sold that phonograph this spring to a dealer in Delaware Water Gap for $200 - and he turned around and got $400 for it!" In reply to my slightly exasperated question of why he never contacted me after my letter, he stated, "I didn't think you were serious." That was in August 1979. Since then, I've given no seller any reason to question my seriousness! I have many stories with happier endings, but I enjoy the cloud of pervasive ignorance that surrounds this one... George Paul Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand?
This eBay item looks interesting. Is it for a Victor machine? One of these days I will have to broaden my education beyond just Edison! ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250062457447 Best Wishes to Everyone, Al
[Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand?
WOW! I have seen a picture of that type of stand somewhere before...It is similar to the matching stand for an HMV Monarch Special..that cabinet also has the diagonal corner posts and lion's head brasses. Nice cabinet! John Robles clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: This eBay item looks interesting. Is it for a Victor machine? One of these days I will have to broaden my education beyond just Edison! ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250062457447 Best Wishes to Everyone, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand?
I think that's for a European "Melba," with a matching ornate cabinet. Best regards, Rene Rondeau
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola-victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem John Robles
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in the home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am uncertain of the rarity. Bruce - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola-victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] 2/11/07 Sounds of Nostalgia Flea Market
What better way to spend Edison's birthday than to come to Salem, Oregon on 2/11 for the annual Sounds of Nostalgia phonograph and radio flea market. I've been going for the last thirty years and this small sale has always been fun. The Salem Collectors Market features different collectibles every month and the February show is built around phonographs. Quite a few OTAPS members participate and there will be an open house at our home on Saturday, Feb. 10th, and all phononuts are welcome. Anyone interested in renting a table should contact Karen Huston at: 503-769-8042 or 503-580-8070 or P.O. Box 20805, Salem, Or. 97307-0805. Last year tables were only $20, early admission was $10, and 9:30am entry was $1. Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley record cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical slider which moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. You stop in front of the slot where the desired record resides, then depress a button, and a finger behind the disc edges it out through a felt- lined slot in the slider. Two rows, one each for 10" and 12." Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which is stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for a nice price if any of you is interested. and OMG, here's the patent: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html http://www.google.com/patents? vid=USPAT4108511&id=n-40EBAJ&dq=4108511 -- peter On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: > That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique > "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in > the home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. > Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am > uncertain of the rarity. > > Bruce > > > - Original Message - From: "john robles" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? > > >> Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- >> victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVie >> wItem >> >> John Robles >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand?
I concur, that this is for a Melba. The only one that I have seen live is in Jasper's collection in Illinois. Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:07 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What's This ? Victor stand? This eBay item looks interesting. Is it for a Victor machine? One of these days I will have to broaden my education beyond just Edison! ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250062457447 Best Wishes to Everyone, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
How common is the Columbia record ejector with the two rows of buttons at the top, that resemble typewriter keys (nickeled ring with window showing number)? In this case, mounted in a fairly conventional oak Grafonola. My impression has been that it isn't all that rare, but with Bruce's comment I began to wonder, and with Peter's, I began to realize that there must have been a couple different versions; one with the double row of buttons which I must assume was a later style, and the other with the sliding indexer, which must be earlier since the Grafonola being auctioned appears to predate the tone louvres. Wish the seller would show some photos under the lid and inside all doors. Any insight into the relative rarity of the record ejection system, particularly the double row of buttons version would be greatly appreciated. Best, Andy On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: > The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley > record cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical > slider which moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. > You stop in front of the slot where the desired record resides, > then depress a button, and a finger behind the disc edges it out > through a felt-lined slot in the slider. Two rows, one each for > 10" and 12." > > Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which > is stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for > a nice price if any of you is interested. > > and OMG, here's the patent: > > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html > > http://www.google.com/patents? > vid=USPAT4108511&id=n-40EBAJ&dq=4108511 > > -- peter > > On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: > >> That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique >> "record ejection" system that I have only seen one other time in >> the home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. >> Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am >> uncertain of the rarity. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "john robles" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? >> >> >>> Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- >>> victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi >>> ewItem >>> >>> John Robles >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >>> >>> Phono-L Archive >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >>> >>> Support Phono-L >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Thought this was interesting...
Hey guys, I need a source in the Pacific NW who can straighten and polish a Victor brass bell horn. Thanks Al Menashe - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:39 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320060246562&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Thought this was interesting...
It is interesting, and thanks for the link! I saved all the pics, of course ... I have no need for another Polly/Parisian knockoff, but free pics are always good. Does that turntable look like it was stripped of felt & then spray-painted? hmm - Original Message - Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320060246562
[Phono-L] Thought this was interesting...
I thought so too, especially seeing how the gold paint cracked all over the rubber part. I love that one cone. Looks like a Pathe Art Label. - Original Message - From: "Dan K" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... > It is interesting, and thanks for the link! I saved all the pics, of > course ... I have no need for > another Polly/Parisian knockoff, but free pics are always good. Does that > turntable look like it > was stripped of felt & then spray-painted? hmm > > > - Original Message - > > > > Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320060246562 > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >
[Phono-L] straightening and polishing brass horns
I wonder if the same guys who straighten, polish, and often even re-lacquer high school & college band instruments couldn't do a great job. When I was teaching, seemed like there were a number of them around. Maybe call some nearby band directors and ask who they send dented horns to for repair? - Original Message - From: "Albert" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... > Hey guys, I need a source in the Pacific NW who can straighten and polish > a Victor brass bell horn. Thanks Al Menashe > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:39 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... > > > Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320060246562&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >
[Phono-L] Sex Selling Crapophones
They say that sex sells, but does sex help to sell crapophones? (they are still there) Now this guy has a few crapohones listed (with the lady in various poses). http://cgi.ebay.de/4eckig-graviertes-Kolonial-HIS-MASTERS-VOICE-GRAMMOPHON_W0QQitemZ250058548771QQihZ015QQcategoryZ26512QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Just for Laughs, Mario From rich-m...@octoxol.com Sun Dec 10 13:08:44 2006 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:09 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] straightening and polishing brass horns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061210210851.5bad8218...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> You are indeed correct. Call your local high school or college and find out who repairs and maintains their instruments. This is the best and lowest cost method for getting the dents out of either a steel or brass horn. They also can straighten out your bent cignet horn elbo. Of course, if you insist, there is probably someone who only repairs Edison or Victor horns and they have a waiting list and much higher prices. On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:05:46 -0600, Robert Wright wrote: >I wonder if the same guys who straighten, polish, and often even re-lacquer >high school & college band instruments couldn't do a great job. When I was >teaching, seemed like there were a number of them around. Maybe call some >nearby band directors and ask who they send dented horns to for repair? >- Original Message - >From: "Albert" >To: "Antique Phonograph List" >Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:27 PM >Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... >> Hey guys, I need a source in the Pacific NW who can straighten and polish >> a Victor brass bell horn. Thanks Al Menashe >> - Original Message - >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:39 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... >> >> >> Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320060246562 &ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> >___ >Phono-L mailing list >Phono-L@oldcrank.org >Phono-L Archive >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >Support Phono-L >http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] straightening and polishing brass horns
Albert: I have established a relationship with a musical instrument repair person here in Montana, and he has been a great help. I take horns to him and he does a great job of taking the dents out and polishing the small brass bells on occasion. I haven't had one stripped and lacquered , however I know these repair folks know of where to send them . Bob - Original Message - From: "Robert Wright" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: [Phono-L] straightening and polishing brass horns >I wonder if the same guys who straighten, polish, and often even re-lacquer >high school & college band instruments couldn't do a great job. When I was >teaching, seemed like there were a number of them around. Maybe call some >nearby band directors and ask who they send dented horns to for repair? > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Albert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... > > >> Hey guys, I need a source in the Pacific NW who can straighten and polish >> a Victor brass bell horn. Thanks Al Menashe >> - Original Message - >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:39 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... >> >> >> Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320060246562&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Sex Selling Crapophones
In a message dated 12/10/2006 3:41:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mari...@optusnet.com.au writes: Now this guy has a few crapohones listed (with the lady in various poses). http://cgi.ebay.de/4eckig-graviertes-Kolonial-HIS-MASTERS-VOICE-GRAMMOPHON_W0Q QitemZ250058548771QQihZ015QQcategoryZ26512QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem FUNNY! Note that for 20EUROS less you can skip the Crapophone and get the "Lederhosen"! Thanks for sharing Mario! Steve
[Phono-L] straightening and polishing brass horns
just curious about cost - can you give us an idea of price ranges for various levels of restoration you've experienced? -- peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net On Dec 10, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Bob or JoAnn Maffit wrote: > Albert: > > I have established a relationship with a musical instrument repair > person here in Montana, and he has been a great help. I take horns > to him and he does a great job of taking the dents out and > polishing the small brass bells on occasion. > > I haven't had one stripped and lacquered , however I know these > repair folks know of where to send them > > . > > Bob > - Original Message - From: "Robert Wright" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:05 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] straightening and polishing brass horns > > >> I wonder if the same guys who straighten, polish, and often even >> re-lacquer high school & college band instruments couldn't do a >> great job. When I was teaching, seemed like there were a number >> of them around. Maybe call some nearby band directors and ask who >> they send dented horns to for repair? >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Albert" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... >> >> >>> Hey guys, I need a source in the Pacific NW who can straighten >>> and polish a Victor brass bell horn. Thanks Al Menashe >>> - Original Message - From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:39 AM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... >>> >>> >>> Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>> ViewItem&item=320060246562&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >>> >>> Phono-L Archive >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >>> >>> Support Phono-L >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >>> >>> Phono-L Archive >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >>> >>> Support Phono-L >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >>> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> Phono-L@oldcrank.org >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
