Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[danielle da cruz]

Hey Max,It’s super close, right next door in Belmont. Rock Meadow - it is really beautiful. I walk my dogs here everyday and see deer, coyotes, and usually a bike or two.Cambridge Bicycle is my home shop! They have the best vibe around and have always been incredibly helpful. I hadn’t seen they are organizing a camp out and would have loved to join! Unfortunately I’ll be camping at Acadia next week. Do you ever do any of their Sunday rides? I’ve been meaning to get to one and would love to hear what you think if you’ve done one. On Jun 13, 2024, at 5:28 PM, maxcr  wrote:That's amazing Danielle, looks beautiful! Where is it?I'm hoping to go on the Swift Campout next weekend. It's organized by Cambridge Bicycles - if you don't know them, they are a great group of people and true bike enthusiasts that embrace the Just Ride mentality.MaxOn Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:Danielle, I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. Thanks for sharing, Dustin in VAOn Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  wrote:I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt seven again myself :)  



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Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[danielle da cruz]

Couldn’t agree more, Dustin! Riding for me is about recapturing that first taste of speed and freedom I felt when I got on my first bike. It is the greatest feeling to find that again :)On Jun 13, 2024, at 5:11 PM, D D  wrote:Danielle, I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. Thanks for sharing, Dustin in VAOn Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  wrote:I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt seven again myself :)  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stem and bars, Schwalbe tires

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

PM sent

On Thursday 13 June 2024 at 10:33:46 UTC-5 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> Stems:
> 26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
> 26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60
> 25.4/8.5cm Nitto TIG FacePlater (CR60-3T) - $100
>
> Bars:
> 25.4/66cm Nitto Wavie - $100
> 26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40
>
> Tires:
> 650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair
>
> My 53cm Lugged Susie in Sergio green is still for sale too, $1800 shipped 
> or $100 off if you pick it up.
>
> Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick it 
> up or combine items.
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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Chester]

J Schwartz wrote:

Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
stem 
 
with only 25mm on extension.  


Sorry, below is off topic, but good luck on getting things dialed in with a 
Losco.

This all reminded me of coming across a picture of one of the Wright 
Brothers' bicycles that is in the Smithsonian National Air & Space Museum:

https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/52387315912af98bcb12fojpg

Saw it in a Reddit thread...

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/comments/1d8n0ls/original_wright_brothersbuilt_bicycle_1_of_only_5/

...with one of the comments highlighting a couple stems that Analog Cycles 
sells, with some commentary of prevailing geometry at the time the Wrights 
made bikes:

https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem

Chester
SF Bay Area
 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Chester]

Jay wrote:

That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.


With the Clem L I bought, there was a weird defect in the hex nut, with it 
having extra metal material inside the donut hole, ruining/covering up some 
of the threads, and this ruined the initial threads of the bolt, as well, 
so there was no way to tighten the seat clamp with the bolt/nut pair it 
came with. 

Sorted it out after a couple trips to the local Ace Hardware and their 
Drawers o' Fasteners. They didn't have quite the right length (I had to get 
longer) so I didn't note the length of what I got, but ended up with M6 and 
thread pitch of 1 as well.

Turns out that the Clem Complete page specifies "It uses standard hardware 
store bolt (M6 x 22) and a 10mm hex nut." The Roadini page suggests that 
one could use M5 as well.

I ride the Clem sometimes and have been meaning to try to find a 
countersunk washer that is small enough diameter to fit inside but is yet 
tall enough that I could use a quick release and not scratch up the paint 
of the seat binder.

Chester
SF Bay Area

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Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[maxcr]

That's amazing Danielle, looks beautiful! Where is it?

I'm hoping to go on the Swift Campout 

 next 
weekend. It's organized by Cambridge Bicycles - if you don't know them, 
they are a great group of people and true bike enthusiasts that embrace the 
Just Ride mentality.

Max

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:

> Danielle, 
>
> I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven 
> again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N 
> = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. 
>
> Thanks for sharing, 
> Dustin in VA
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  
> wrote:
>
> I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized 
> that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is 
> sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try 
> the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the 
> Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front 
> and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area 
> and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over 
> rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my 
> seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even 
> ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt 
> seven again myself :)  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[D D]

Danielle, I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. Thanks for sharing, Dustin in VAOn Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  wrote:I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt seven again myself :)  



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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the 
email list. Assuming it's the mustard 

 
and silver 

 
from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 

Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 


On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get 
> whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in mind 
> that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned down 
> but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's dusty 
> and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, but if 
> you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody who's on or 
> even near the fence to get one.
>
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Re: [RBW] Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Keith Paugh]

Great looking bike!What wheels do you have on there?k.On Jun 13, 2024, at 5:47 AM, J Schwartz  wrote:Seeking guidance here on stem length.I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust stem with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have an 85mm one of those already on-hand.pics show the location of bars and how far they come backthank youJS



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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Tim Bantham]

Jason, If you think you might want to test out several different stem 
lengths with a threaded to threadless adapters let me know. I have a Nitto 
version of this adapter in my parts bin that I could mail down for you to 
try. I could pick it back up the next time I see you. Hit me up if that is 
a route you end up taking. Unforunately all of my threadless stems are 31.8 
so I couldn't be much help in that department. 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:47:45 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello JS,
>
> In this case, switching to the losco bar which have no forward sweep and 
> have a lot of back sweep, it maybe a good idea to follow Will's advice to 
> use an adapter stem, 1 to 1 1/8 and then try different thread less stems 
> until you dial in the extension to your liking. Details were in this news 
> letter:
>
> https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde=bec688021e
>
> FWIW, Velo Orange is having a sale on silver thread less stems which I've 
> used in the past and think look very nice. The stems with 6 degree rise can 
> be mounted upside down to be 0 rise.
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/threadless-stem-25-4
>
> Good luck,
> JohnS
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 11:44:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
>> forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
>> Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
>> up. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
>>> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
>>> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
>>> stem 
>>>  
>>> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
>>> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
>>> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
>>> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
>>> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
>>> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
>>> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>>>
>>> thank you
>>> JS
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ripton Men's Shorts Size 32

[Conway Bennett]

Fastest sale ever.

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:28:23 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:

> I bought the shorts linked below in the Spring, and they are too big and 
> too stretchy for my palette--I think that the waists feel more like a 33 or 
> 34.  The canvas hunter shorts have been worn and washed once, and the black 
> diesel jorts are new with tags.  I will sell both for $85 net-to-me, 
> shipped.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WwTZ3ojDNNxjp7mo8
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>
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Re: [RBW] Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

RidewithGPS has a great library of rides that you can load onto your bike
computer and will give you turn by turn instructions. China Camp/Tiburon is
great--especially if you don't want too much climbing but get some great
scenic views of the bay and some nice food in Tiburon.

Piaw's ride in the Headlands should be considered (the hill up Conzelman
Rd. is worth it!) in part because the best view of San Francisco is from
this ride.  You look down onto the bridge and city from an old army gun
bunker (or whatever you call it).  A lot of times you may not see the city,
but the bridge is sunny and poking out of the fog and that is just as
beautiful.
https://www.oursausalito.com/marin-headlands-and-ggnra/battery-spencer-golden-gate-bridge.html

Railroad grade up Mt. Tam is nice too, the only thing to watch out for is
traffic as it can get congested during the weekends.  I usually descend the
railroad grade and go up the fire road (very doable with any bike, but I
recommend 30 mm tires or wider).  I can give you GPS data on that ride too
(if desired)--the special treat in addition to the views is a stop at the
"pancake place" as I call it.  West point inn.  Here's a writeup from a
hiker, but you can see all the bikes there.  (No road bikes pictured, but
there is a kiddy Mtn bike, so you know it can't be too hard :).)

https://trailsandsummits.com/pancake-hike/

Toshi in Oakland, CA

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 7:52 AM  wrote:

> Thanks John, I need to get Strava. My son just got an app called Ride With
> GPS. I need to level up my tech game in any case!
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:49, John Dewey  wrote:
>
> 
> Liz, I live in Marin and 2nd China Camp and also Paradise loop.
>
> But some of the areas closer to you near Petaluma and Windsor are more
> rural.
>
> You can find lots of options exploring Strava.
>
> JD
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 11:14 PM  wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a
>> day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in
>> anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He
>> is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be
>> riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any
>> recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too
>> sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is.
>> You can reply directly if you choose.
>>
>> Thanks, Liz in Sac
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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Brian Turner]

I love my neighborhood hardware store, but they don’t always have the best selection of metric stuff. I’ve found Bolt Depot to be a really good resource online for metric bolts and bits. Plus, you usually don’t have to buy them in quantity like with McMaster-Carr.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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[RBW] FS: Ripton Men's Shorts Size 32

[Conway Bennett]

I bought the shorts linked below in the Spring, and they are too big and 
too stretchy for my palette--I think that the waists feel more like a 33 or 
34.  The canvas hunter shorts have been worn and washed once, and the black 
diesel jorts are new with tags.  I will sell both for $85 net-to-me, 
shipped.

Thanks in advance.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WwTZ3ojDNNxjp7mo8


- Conway 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jason Noonievut]

I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jason Noonievut]

That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Presale at the end of June!  Exciting.  That'll be fun to see the builds 
start coming.

BL in EC

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 8:00:57 AM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:

> That's a lovely setup, Bill! It's reassuring to know the 3x1 setup works 
> well. 
>
> After 6 months with my Platypus, I find myself lusting after a 
> single-speed Riv for my daily commutes. I recently reached out to ensure I 
> didn't miss the pre-sale for the Roaduno. I was informed the Roaduno 
> pre-sale will be taking place two weeks from now, Jun 27th. Now I find 
> myself wondering what colors will be offered :) 
>
> Tio "99.9% getting one even if it's the same color as my Platypus" Ryan 
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have 
>> the chance!
>>
>> Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
>>  I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
>> This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
>> the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
>> configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
>> and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
>> minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
>> crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
>> crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
>> Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
>> for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
>> gear was welcome.  
>>
>> Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
>> shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
>> single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
>> freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  
>>
>> I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
>> after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
>> peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
>> to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
>> 4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
>> champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
>> handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
>> knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
>> assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
>> HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   
>>
>> Pics prove it:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
>>> triple up front. "
>>>
>>> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
>>> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
>>> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
>>> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
>>> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
>>> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
>>> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
>>> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
>>> gear choosing.  
>>>
>>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
>>> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
>>> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
>>> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
>>> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

 But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
 effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
 front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back 
 without 
 a IGH.


  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
 spacers.

 Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
 25% 

Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Brian Turner]

Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Joe Bernard]

The adventure begins! I had a feeling you might get lucky with a roomy 
train and helpful helpers in that Michigander way they have about them. 
Have a lovely time, Leah! ‍♂️

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:51:58 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep 
> train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed. 
> [image: image3.jpeg]
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has 
> been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything. 
> This is GREAT!
>
> Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.
> [image: image4.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley  
> wrote:
>
> On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the 
> front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same 
> everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can 
> second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike 
> unless it's something crazy. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
>> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
>> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
>> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
>> possible wind and heat issues...
>>
>>
>> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>>
>> Have fun
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>>> be much of a problem.
>>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the 
>>> Summer time.  More power to him.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 

 I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
 drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
 my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of 
 state 
 for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
 Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get 
 me, 
 and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer 
 college 
 physics study time. Yes, seriously.

 The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
 that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
 get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
 rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
 in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
 Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:

 Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
 have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
 you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
 to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that 
 you'd 
 be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
 Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
 since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make 
 a 
 big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
 you'll be just fine out there with it.



 On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
> are 
> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I 
> don’t 
> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>
> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let 
> me know. 
>
> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, 
> but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 

[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Joe Bernard]

I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
up. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
> stem 
>  
> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>
> thank you
> JS
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Jason Fuller]

I have no doubt that your excitement is both evident and refreshing for the
employees you're interacting with and will pave the way for a great
weekend! It's been years since I took Amtrak with my bike but now I'm very
much feeling the itch. I would be taking the Cascades route down to
Portland again - such a fun trip and multi-modal travel by train and bike
is the BEST. Nothing else compares.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 8:39 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The adventure begins! I had a feeling you might get lucky with a roomy
> train and helpful helpers in that Michigander way they have about them.
> Have a lovely time, Leah! ‍♂️
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:51:58 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep
>> train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed.
>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>> I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has
>> been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything.
>> This is GREAT!
>>
>> Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.
>> [image: image4.jpeg]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the
>> front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same
>> everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can
>> second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike
>> unless it's something crazy.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a
>>> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and
>>> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61
>>> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with
>>> possible wind and heat issues...
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>>>
>>> Have fun
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation
 better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to
 deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll
 be much of a problem.
 Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the
 Summer time.  More power to him.

 On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
 wrote:

> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then.
>
> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to
> drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking
> my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of 
> state
> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New
> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get 
> me,
> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer 
> college
> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>
> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut
> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to
> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long
> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than
> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long
> Platy on board this one time for this one journey.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I
> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not
> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning
> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that 
> you'd
> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New
> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride,
> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make 
> a
> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure
> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is
>> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
>> are
>> rolling the bike on board, are they 

[RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo

[Rich Lesnik]

Time to let my Waterford-built Roadeo go, I'm afraid. With advancing age,
it's just not comfortable any more! I'm putting a link to the web page
describing the bike, with lots of photos. There are some significant
changes to the cockpit, and a different rear derailleur. Otherwise, as
pictured (no bag, saddle or pedals, though).

Some features:
Ritchey Logic double crank, set up "wide-low" (48/38)
White Industries anodized red T11 hubs, Velocity A23 rims, also anodized
red. Black spokes/nipples. 32 spokes front and rear
Albatross bars, with a Silver2 bar-end shifter for the rear. Simplex
downtube shifter for front.
I also have an alternate cockpit: Albastache bar, Shimano brake levers,
brown shellacked tape.

Asking $2800.
Rich's 53cm Roadeo


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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[JohnS]

Hello JS,

In this case, switching to the losco bar which have no forward sweep and 
have a lot of back sweep, it maybe a good idea to follow Will's advice to 
use an adapter stem, 1 to 1 1/8 and then try different thread less stems 
until you dial in the extension to your liking. Details were in this news 
letter:

https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde=bec688021e

FWIW, Velo Orange is having a sale on silver thread less stems which I've 
used in the past and think look very nice. The stems with 6 degree rise can 
be mounted upside down to be 0 rise.

https://velo-orange.com/products/threadless-stem-25-4

Good luck,
JohnS




On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 11:44:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
> forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
> Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
> up. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
>> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
>> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
>> stem 
>>  
>> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
>> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
>> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
>> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
>> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
>> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
>> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>>
>> thank you
>> JS
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Michael Connors]

>From the 4/26 email newsletter-
The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get 
whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in mind 
that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned down 
but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's dusty 
and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, but if 
you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody who's on or 
even near the fence to get one.


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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

That's a lovely setup, Bill! It's reassuring to know the 3x1 setup works 
well. 

After 6 months with my Platypus, I find myself lusting after a single-speed 
Riv for my daily commutes. I recently reached out to ensure I didn't miss 
the pre-sale for the Roaduno. I was informed the Roaduno pre-sale will be 
taking place two weeks from now, Jun 27th. Now I find myself wondering what 
colors will be offered :) 

Tio "99.9% getting one even if it's the same color as my Platypus" Ryan 

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have 
> the chance!
>
> Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
>  I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
> This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
> the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
> configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
> and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
> minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
> crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
> crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
> Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
> for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
> gear was welcome.  
>
> Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
> shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
> single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
> freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  
>
> I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
> after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
> peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
> to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
> 4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
> champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
> handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
> knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
> assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
> HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   
>
> Pics prove it:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
>> triple up front. "
>>
>> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
>> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
>> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
>> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
>> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
>> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
>> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
>> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
>> gear choosing.  
>>
>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
>> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
>> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
>> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
>> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
>>> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
>>> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
>>> a IGH.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
>>> spacers.
>>>
>>> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
>>> 25% jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 
>>> (25%). An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%), 
>>>  17-26 (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 
>>> (39%), 21-32 (42%),  ...
>>>
>>> A very close 

[RBW] Dust caps on Clem hubs

[Bruce Byker James]

Hi, Does anyone know if the dust caps on Clem hubs are meant to spin with 
the hub or stay stationary? I had a high-frequency noise coming from my 
front wheel for a while that I finally looked into and found that it was 
the dust cap rubbing on the hub. I put some oil between the cap and the hub 
and that stopped the noise. Then, as if the two hubs communicate with one 
another, my rear hub started making THE SAME NOISE. 

Just figured I'd ask here what the intended function is before getting into 
it further, in case someone else has already driven themselves crazy with 
this.

Thanks,

- Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[John Dewey]

Liz, I live in Marin and 2nd China Camp and also Paradise loop.

But some of the areas closer to you near Petaluma and Windsor are more
rural.

You can find lots of options exploring Strava.

JD

On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 11:14 PM  wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a
> day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in
> anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He
> is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be
> riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any
> recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too
> sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is.
> You can reply directly if you choose.
>
> Thanks, Liz in Sac
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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

[R Olson]

WTB Vigilante's are sold.

Marathons are still available.

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:25:20 PM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:

> VO wheelset is SOLD.  Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 6:17:03 PM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:
>
>> Crust wheelset is SOLD.  Thanks for the interest, everyone.
>>
>> VO wheelset is pending.
>>
>> Tires are still available.  I'll sell the WTB Vigilante's for shipping 
>> costs only to whoever wants them.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:30:55 AM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, Ireland.  No, sorry, I don’t want to ship internationally.  It 
>>> would probably cost more to ship it than the wheels themselves and it would 
>>> take a really long time to get there.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 4:41 AM, Nicholas A  wrote:
>>>
>>> Interested in the VO wheels if you would ship to Ireland?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 00:51:30 UTC+1 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 PM sent on the Crust wheels.

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have some wheels and tires for sale:

 1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 
 130mm rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd 
 cassette, quick release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few 
 hundred miles.  Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
 https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets

Price:  $200 plus shipping.


 Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, 
 V-O Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru 
 rear 
 hub and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, 
 lightly used, again maybe a few hundred miles.

 Webpage for Voyager rims:  
 https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657

 Webpage for V-O front hub:  
 https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089

  Price:  $200 plus shipping.


 Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 

 Price: $50 plus shipping for both.


  Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode 
 around the block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy 
 FYI.

 Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.
  

 Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7

 Paypal or Venmo will work.

 Thanks for looking,
  

 Ryan

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[RBW] FS: Nitto stem and bars, Schwalbe tires

[Calvin Yolo]

Stems:
26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60
25.4/8.5cm Nitto TIG FacePlater (CR60-3T) - $100

Bars:
25.4/66cm Nitto Wavie - $100
26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40

Tires:
650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair

My 53cm Lugged Susie in Sergio green is still for sale too, $1800 shipped 
or $100 off if you pick it up.

Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick it 
up or combine items.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1991 Bridgestone RB-T 62cm w/ some parts

[exliontamer]

Dropping to $500 shipped for the frame/fork/headset only

On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Bumping & dropping to $600 shipped
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 1:17:32 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> so cool!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Selling my 62cm Bridgestone RB-T. Frame is in great shape with some 
>>> decal wear. Comes with:
>>> *Suntour 7 speed Bar-Cons
>>> *Suntour XCE front & rear derailleurs
>>> *Sakae triple crankset & pedals
>>> *Sakae 25.4 stem
>>> *Sakae 27.0 seatpost
>>> *Dia Compe Blaze brake levers
>>>
>>> Asking $700 shipped to the lower 48
>>>
>>> The full geometry is in the '91 catalog, easily accessible on Sheldon 
>>> Brown's site, but the top tube is 60cm ctc. Nice clearance/I've had 35mm 
>>> tires on it. I'd call this more of a road bike than a tourer/sport tourer. 
>>> The tubing is relatively thin and undersized compared to even later RB-1s.
>>>
>>> Happy to answer any questions, send detailed photos, etc. Thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5721.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5725.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Justin Kennedy]

Wow that's amazing. I had a bike on a luggage car once from NYC to 
Richmond, Va., and it was similar service. I should have mentioned that. 
All depends on what kind of train/cars you get. 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 10:56:35 AM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> That’s amazing! What a nice train. Have the best trip!
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:51, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep 
> train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed. 
>
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has 
> been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything. 
> This is GREAT!
>
> Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.
>
> 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley  
> wrote:
>
> On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the 
> front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same 
> everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can 
> second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike 
> unless it's something crazy. 
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
>> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
>> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
>> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
>> possible wind and heat issues...
>>
>>
>> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>>
>> Have fun
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>>> be much of a problem.
>>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the 
>>> Summer time.  More power to him.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 

 I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
 drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
 my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of 
 state 
 for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
 Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get 
 me, 
 and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer 
 college 
 physics study time. Yes, seriously.

 The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
 that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
 get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
 rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
 in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
 Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:

 Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
 have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
 you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
 to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that 
 you'd 
 be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
 Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
 since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make 
 a 
 big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
 you'll be just fine out there with it.



 On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
> are 
> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I 
> don’t 
> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>
> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let 
> me know. 
>
> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, 
> but that bike would not be my choice for a 

Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[luckyturnip]

That’s amazing! What a nice train. Have the best trip!On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:51, Leah Peterson  wrote:Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed. I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything. This is GREAT!Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley  wrote:On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike unless it's something crazy. On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with possible wind and heat issues...Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?Have funOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll be much of a problem.Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer time.  More power to him.On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college physics study time. Yes, seriously.The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long Platy on board this one time for this one journey. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure you'll be just fine out there with it.On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[luckyturnip]

Thanks John, I need to get Strava. My son just got an app called Ride With GPS. I need to level up my tech game in any case!On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:49, John Dewey  wrote:Liz, I live in Marin and 2nd China Camp and also Paradise loop. But some of the areas closer to you near Petaluma and Windsor are more rural. You can find lots of options exploring Strava. JDOn Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 11:14 PM  wrote:Greetings all,

My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is. 
You can reply directly if you choose.

Thanks, Liz in Sac

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[RBW] Re: revisted topic: plestcher double leg kickstands (not) fitting on rivs

[Edwin W]

Like Tom, I give the outer leg a little nudge when I fold the twin legged 
on my Joe Appa with 50mm tires so that it does not rub.

I have always been a fan of kickstands in general, as well as fenders, 
racks and lights on all bikes, but honestly I have been using my kickstand 
a lot less lately! It is rare that there is nothing to lean it against AND 
I want to stop AND I want my bike upright. 

Edwin

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:33:28 AM UTC-5 eco...@aol.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_6959.jpg]
> I have both a Clem Jr L and a Joe Appaloosa and have Plestcher double 
> kickstands on both. I agree you have to make the fine adjustment to get it 
> to clear on both bikes and on the Clem I have to grab the far leg on the 
> stand with my toe and pull it towards me when I fold it up, but it still 
> clears a Ultradynamico Mars 2.2 's on that bike.
>
> [image: IMG_6859.jpg]
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Tom 
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4 Frakern wrote:
>
>> Blue Lug put a double stand on our Clem Smith Jr when we bought it 
>> through them. After a while it would rub on the tires when we had fatter 
>> tires on it. As I recall when I took it back to Blue Lug and they adjusted 
>> it by rotating it slightly and tightening down the bolts. But they said it 
>> would eventually shift back and start rubbing again so this would need to 
>> be done every once in a while. In the end I filed down the legs a bit with 
>> a metal file where it was rubbing to try to give it more clearance. 
>>
>> Be aware though that if you're having a child carrier on the back rack 
>> the bike won't be stable even with the plestcher double. At least for us, 
>> the balance of the bike was such that with a child on the back seat the 
>> bike would lean on the back wheel with the front wheel in the air and be 
>> unstable. Without a child on the back seat the bike rests with the front 
>> wheel down and the back wheel up. We ended up getting a different stand 
>> that I can't recall the name of at the moment that was much larger and 
>> folded out more in a v shape towards the front of the bike that made it 
>> more stable. But as our son got older and heavier, the stand mount on the 
>> bike started to bend and wear out. So be careful. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20231130_045249926.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 2:44:25 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> I tried this sometime a year or two ago. 
>>>
>>> I am very close to finishing up a clem L that will be a dedicated kid 
>>> carrier (think mamafiet) with spoke protector, yepp budget seat, etc.
>>>
>>> i had a spare plestcher kickstand hanging around and wanted to get it on 
>>> the bike. i KNOW blue lug does this, and it really doesn't matter the size 
>>> tire. mine are not even close to maxed out on the bike and im still getting 
>>> the dreaded rub (got the same on my country appaloosa) 
>>>
>>> does anyone have any experience wit this? has anyone asked blue lug how 
>>> they do it? I am not a huge fan of single leggers and i don't really wan to 
>>> spend money on a different kickstand ( but i will) 
>>>
>>> i'd love to get the one i have working. but am curious as to a sure fire 
>>> way to do so. before anyone suggests, i've aready reached out to riv. they 
>>> don't have any real solutions. but i know one exists. im determined.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> michael
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Edwin W]

Where is that bridge? It is a beautiful shot with a good looking bike!

Edwin

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:47:16 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
> stem 
>  
> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>
> thank you
> JS
>

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[RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jay]

Hi everyone,

I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without 
much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I 
peeled away.

I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so 
when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, 
thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in 
and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the 
specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench 
(5) vs. another style of bolt head.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paint Color matters! Your favorite?

[Garth]

Orange also ! Soda pop orange or any degree of a softened tone thereof, ala 
say a pastel soda pop orange. 
On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 1:34:33 AM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:

> Orange. I've never owned an orange bike but I've always wanted one. I'd 
> have to say that the Gus in orange is one of my favorite bikes of all time. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> So many nice colors here. The sage green on my 2014 Sam will always be 
>> one of my favorites. Shown here in commuter mode.
>> Versatile and goes well with accent colors.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> [image: SamH 1.jpg]
>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:39:59 AM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Custom Pewter Rambouillet painted by Rick at D I had imagined a 
>>> slightly lighter almost silver in my head but the color turned out amazing. 
>>> A beautiful metallic shimmer appears when the bike is in direct sunlight!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 9:21 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>>
 On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-5 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell should revisit this wonderful paint color for some of their 
 models.  This is the fork from a 2000 Heron Road bike that I’m building.  
 The blue/green metallic is fantastic in the sun.  


 Well, I'm biased, but that is certainly one of my favorite colors ever. 
 I was stoked when Roger gave me the sample tube with that color on it. 
 Even 
 in the fluorescent lights of their shop I could tell it was a winner.

 That said, the color of the Heron prototype, "soap green", which is 
 suspiciously like celeste, has a warm place in my heart. That frame is in 
 the hands of Now You're Finished for a full spa treatment, and Adam will 
 be 
 matching the color.
 [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.16.21 AM.png] 

 But I think my all-time favorite so far is Waterford's Copper Metallic, 
 or as I like to call it, Root Beer with a Creamy Head:
 [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.18.07 AM.png]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[luckyturnip]

Thank you all!On Jun 12, 2024, at 22:41, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:Two quick options:Railroad Grade on Mt Tamalpais is all climbing, but it's a polite grade and the views are quite nice. It is south facing so can get pretty warm if the temps come up. But there are places to stop and recover. China Camp State Park can be a bit mountain-bikey at time, but the trails are polished and well tended. If you start at the campground end, it's a steady climb for a bit, but then a nice long-ish level descent out to Buckeye Point and back on the lower trails. Just technical enough to keep you alert. Multi-use singletrack. There is a use fee. JimOn Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 11:15:01 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:Greetings all,

My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is. 
You can reply directly if you choose.

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[RBW] Re: Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Two quick options:

Railroad Grade on Mt Tamalpais is all climbing, but it's a polite grade and 
the views are quite nice. 
It is south facing so can get pretty warm if the temps come up. But there 
are places to stop and recover. 

China Camp State Park can be a bit mountain-bikey at time, but the trails 
are polished and well tended. If you start at the campground end, it's a 
steady climb for a bit, but then a nice long-ish level descent out to 
Buckeye Point and back on the lower trails. Just technical enough to keep 
you alert. Multi-use singletrack. There is a use fee. 

Jim

On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 11:15:01 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a 
> day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in 
> anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He 
> is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be 
> riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any 
> recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too 
> sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is. 
> You can reply directly if you choose.
>
> Thanks, Liz in Sac

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paint Color matters! Your favorite?

[David Ross]

Orange. I've never owned an orange bike but I've always wanted one. I'd 
have to say that the Gus in orange is one of my favorite bikes of all time. 

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> So many nice colors here. The sage green on my 2014 Sam will always be one 
> of my favorites. Shown here in commuter mode.
> Versatile and goes well with accent colors.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> [image: SamH 1.jpg]
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:39:59 AM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Custom Pewter Rambouillet painted by Rick at D I had imagined a 
>> slightly lighter almost silver in my head but the color turned out amazing. 
>> A beautiful metallic shimmer appears when the bike is in direct sunlight!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 9:21 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-5 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Rivendell should revisit this wonderful paint color for some of their 
>>> models.  This is the fork from a 2000 Heron Road bike that I’m building.  
>>> The blue/green metallic is fantastic in the sun.  
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm biased, but that is certainly one of my favorite colors ever. 
>>> I was stoked when Roger gave me the sample tube with that color on it. Even 
>>> in the fluorescent lights of their shop I could tell it was a winner.
>>>
>>> That said, the color of the Heron prototype, "soap green", which is 
>>> suspiciously like celeste, has a warm place in my heart. That frame is in 
>>> the hands of Now You're Finished for a full spa treatment, and Adam will be 
>>> matching the color.
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.16.21 AM.png] 
>>>
>>> But I think my all-time favorite so far is Waterford's Copper Metallic, 
>>> or as I like to call it, Root Beer with a Creamy Head:
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.18.07 AM.png]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Timothy Hurley]

On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the 
front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same 
everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can 
second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike 
unless it's something crazy. 

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
> possible wind and heat issues...
>
>
> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>
> Have fun
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>> be much of a problem.
>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer 
>> time.  More power to him.
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 
>>>
>>> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
>>> drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
>>> my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state 
>>> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
>>> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, 
>>> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college 
>>> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>>>
>>> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
>>> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
>>> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
>>> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
>>> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
>>> Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
>>> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
>>> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
>>> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd 
>>> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
>>> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
>>> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a 
>>> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
>>> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
 too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
 are 
 rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
 would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
 the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
 know what the setup is inside the train cars. 

 If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
 know. 

 Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
 that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
 wheels with the 42mm tires!

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[John C]

Thank you both for the insight! I've decided to pass on the Gus, and look
into mixing things up with another type of Riv for that eventual build.

For the Susie, I think I'll go with a temporary threadless stem adapter/
stem to play around with with lengths while I'm getting used to the bike.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 11:30 AM Armand Kizirian 
wrote:

> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust
> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't
> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially
> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best.
>
> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit
> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in"
> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed).
>
> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own
>> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little
>> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely
>> speculation though.
>>
>> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least
>> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every
>> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line
>> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line
>> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis
>> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always
>> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing
>> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind
>> the axle as currently mocked up?
>>
>>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you
>> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>>
>> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.
>> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell
>> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my
>> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram,
>> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a
>> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider
>> getting a different model for variety's sake.
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, just wanted a final opinion.
>>>
>>> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26"
>>> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm
>>> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is
>>> about 78.
>>>
>>> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach.
>>>
>>> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt ok-ish.
>>> Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too stretched
>>> out and not really cramped either.
>>>
>>> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a
>>> used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we
>>> all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either
>>> frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause.
>>> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!!
>>>
>>> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would
>>> be too large?
>>>
>>> Thanks y'all!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[John Paz]

 Seller should post name and timestamp on item for sale


> On Jun 9, 2024, at 11:30 AM, M G  wrote:
> 
> It’s almost funny how deep into the weeds a scammer has to get when they’re 
> chasing down photos of steel bike frames (total geek niche), of specific old 
> sub-label bike frames (sub-level niche!) of odd non-mainstream geek’s geek 
> label (sub-sub-sub-niche)….etc….  [however one would associate Herons with 
> Rivs, etc]. (PS — i’d take any Heron or original Riv i came 
> across….just….because, well, ya never know when you might NEED another one!)
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I got pinged by gran yesterday regarding my WTB Heron post. Sent two pics of 
>> NOS frames (odd) but zero info. Just a cryptic "which one you want" note. 
>> Did not pass the sniff test.
>> 
>> Marty
>> 
>> On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-4 Mitch wrote:
>> welp.. I took the bait.
>> 
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:36:12 AM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:
>> "On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 15:11, gran  wrote:Hello Jerry,
>> 
>> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still looking 
>> to buy a Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26?
>> Thank you"
>> Attempted to sell me a frameset that was already sold
>> On Saturday 8 June 2024 at 07:02:40 UTC-7 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:
>> One small thing about playing with scammers (my 'best' one was a long 
>> correspondence with an Airbnb-er who sent me a check to deposit and send him 
>> back the overage)...was another guy who I got so angry, he tried to hack my 
>> gmail account (but failed). So...be careful out there! And on a rare day, I 
>> have a tiny bit of compassion for them, especially as I've recently found 
>> out that many of the overseas hacker/scammers are doing it under threats and 
>> coercion.
>> 
>> Ron in Western Mass
>> 
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 5:41:25 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Same over here. I actually had some fun with it, but hoping no one actually 
>> took the bait.
>> 
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-7 Daniel wrote:
>> Yep, same here.
>> Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 2:43:34 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Gran wrote to a lot of us, it seems. Thanks for the heads up.
>> 
>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 8:45:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>> Yup, 'gran' contacted me as well, and the first thing I did was to check 
>> here for previous activity. Seemed rather persistent. Thanks for the 
>> heads-up Jim.
>> 
>> Cheers, Joh
>> 
>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 7:31:14 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Yep, gran wrote me too:
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:42 PM gran  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still looking 
>> to buy an Acorn Trunk Bag?
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
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[RBW] FS: Vintage wheelset - 100/120mm - Phil Wood/Super Champion/Suntour

[Kim H.]

I have up for sale a vintage wheel set from my old road bike from the early 
70s'.

The wheel set build consist of the following:

Hubs- Phil Wood 1st generation 36-hole - 100/120mm
Rims - Super Champion 36-hole with presta value holes
Freewheel - NOS Suntour 13-34T Pro Compe Ultra 6
Tires - IRC Tandem 700x30C PSI 100 - sidewalls are showing their threads
Quick Release axles skewers - Campagnolo Nuovo Record
 
Overall Condition - Very good with modest wear. The Phil Wood hub axles run 
smooth without any imperfections.

The wheelset - $250.00

I have two extra rims and white Bleummel fenders:
1) one Super Champion 36-hole rim - used - $40.00
2) one Wolber 58- 36-hole rim - NOS - $50.00
3) 700C Bleummel white fenders with hardware - one pair used - single rear 
- NOS - $60.00

Pictures links are : https://photos.app.goo.gl/83VMhH1cFhpe46bj8
  
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZJDFXSp1bdUwCxAk6

If you think my pricing is off, shoot me an offer(s). 
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Buy everything for $400.00 (total of listed amounts) and I'll ship them for 
no charge.
Otherwise, prices do not include shipping costs. These will be calculated 
to the exact amount prior to shipping through my local post office.
Shipping in CONUS.
Paypal payment, please.

Kim Hetzel


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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

[R Olson]

VO wheelset is SOLD.  Thanks!

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 6:17:03 PM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:

> Crust wheelset is SOLD.  Thanks for the interest, everyone.
>
> VO wheelset is pending.
>
> Tires are still available.  I'll sell the WTB Vigilante's for shipping 
> costs only to whoever wants them.  
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:30:55 AM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:
>
>> Wow, Ireland.  No, sorry, I don’t want to ship internationally.  It would 
>> probably cost more to ship it than the wheels themselves and it would take 
>> a really long time to get there.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 4:41 AM, Nicholas A  wrote:
>>
>> Interested in the VO wheels if you would ship to Ireland?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 00:51:30 UTC+1 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> PM sent on the Crust wheels.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have some wheels and tires for sale:
>>>
>>> 1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 
>>> 130mm rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd 
>>> cassette, quick release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few 
>>> hundred miles.  Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets
>>>
>>>Price:  $200 plus shipping.
>>>
>>>
>>> Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, 
>>> V-O Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear 
>>> hub and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, 
>>> lightly used, again maybe a few hundred miles.
>>>
>>> Webpage for Voyager rims:  
>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657
>>>
>>> Webpage for V-O front hub:  
>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089
>>>
>>>  Price:  $200 plus shipping.
>>>
>>>
>>> Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 
>>>
>>> Price: $50 plus shipping for both.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode 
>>> around the block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy 
>>> FYI.
>>>
>>> Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.
>>>  
>>>
>>> Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7
>>>
>>> Paypal or Venmo will work.
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking,
>>>  
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

[R Olson]

Crust wheelset is SOLD.  Thanks for the interest, everyone.

VO wheelset is pending.

Tires are still available.  I'll sell the WTB Vigilante's for shipping 
costs only to whoever wants them.  

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:30:55 AM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:

> Wow, Ireland.  No, sorry, I don’t want to ship internationally.  It would 
> probably cost more to ship it than the wheels themselves and it would take 
> a really long time to get there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 12, 2024, at 4:41 AM, Nicholas A  wrote:
>
> Interested in the VO wheels if you would ship to Ireland?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 00:51:30 UTC+1 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> PM sent on the Crust wheels.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have some wheels and tires for sale:
>>
>> 1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 
>> 130mm rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd 
>> cassette, quick release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few 
>> hundred miles.  Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets
>>
>>Price:  $200 plus shipping.
>>
>>
>> Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, 
>> V-O Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear 
>> hub and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, 
>> lightly used, again maybe a few hundred miles.
>>
>> Webpage for Voyager rims:  
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657
>>
>> Webpage for V-O front hub:  
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089
>>
>>  Price:  $200 plus shipping.
>>
>>
>> Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 
>>
>> Price: $50 plus shipping for both.
>>
>>
>>  Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around 
>> the block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy FYI.
>>
>> Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.
>>  
>>
>> Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7
>>
>> Paypal or Venmo will work.
>>
>> Thanks for looking,
>>  
>>
>> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Why Bicycles Will Save the Human Race

[Jeffrey Arita]

Well done, John.  "Tinker Habitually."  Two thumbs up!

Bravo,

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 12:43:59 PM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Thanks for sharing
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 3:17 PM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>
>> That was great. Fun assignment.
>>
>> Well spoken John.
>> k.
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 12:04 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>> A number of years ago I was teaching children at a school in Asia, and I 
>> was invited to a learning conference to share my practice. One of the 
>> requirements for conference leaders was to present a 5-minute TED-style 
>> talk on a subject of their choice. I chose to speak about bicycles and why 
>> I believe they will save the human race. 
>>
>>
>> Here is the video (replete with hyperbole) for your enjoyment.
>>
>> Why Bicycles Will Save the Human Race 
>> 
>>
>> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Friends, I looked at your excellent photos and posts in between patients at work today. I’m really, really hoping not to have to take off the front wheel or hang the bike. I’m aiming to just part it somewhere and tie up with John’s straps if need be. BUT, I thought it best to practice tonight. The thing is that every time I try to do anything mechanical, some little hiccup will get me stuck and then I go running to the shop. What I wouldn’t give for a mentor nearby! First up: refreshing sealant. It’s going to be in the 80s, and I’m nearly due for more sealant. The front tire went fine. I have got it down to where I don’t spill a drop of sealant. I even manage to keep the sealant out of the valve stem. The front tire went fine. Then came the rear tire. For the first time, I heard a small “pop.” What was that? I poured in my sealant and went to reinflate. Nothing but hissing and bubbling out the sides of the tire. I bet this is what they call the bead unseating, I thought. I started to panic, but I figured if it could so easily be shifted out of whack, it should be easy to shift back. Pump air, spin tire. Repeat. I heard another “pop” and the tire began to reinflate! I spun that tire a bunch of times, hoping the sealant would SEAL and it did! Next, I had to undo the front brake. They are new Paul brakes, and when I looked at the noodle, I couldn’t dislodge it the way my old V brakes worked. Then suddenly, I found that joint in the Paul - it’s really clever, isn’t it? I had never even noticed it. Got that released, and unplugged the dyno. Then I went to pull the front wheel. That was also easy. Then I put the wheel back on and got the dyno port and the silver wing of the skewer all lined up how I like. Ok, great. Pulled the bike from the stand and SQU. Brakes making horrid sounds. I remembered someone telling me I could pull on the brake noodles and it wouldn’t move them, so the only other thing I could think of was maybe I didn’t seat the wheel in the dropouts? With the bike on the ground I loosened the wheel and bounced the tire. Re-did everything and no more noise! Tire is holding air and dyno is working. Stoked. STOKED over here.Putting dinner on and then packing the Backabikes. Will see about getting the bike up on the rear wheel later!This is such an adventure!LOn Jun 12, 2024, at 12:46 PM, aeroperf  wrote:German stations typically have less than a quarter that many bikes.But most European local trains let you “roll on, roll off”.  Here’s a shot crossing northern Spain, with straps.



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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Rinker]

Amazing David! Looks like a great place to take a kindergarten class for a 
field trip! 

Beautiful bicycle.

Cheers, John


On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:56:05 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> My latest ride took me by a local landmark colloquially known as 
> Ponyhenge. The formation of hobby horses changes from time to time.
>
> [image: PXL_20240608_173411107_ponyhenge-1800.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20240608_173301255_ponyhenge-1800.jpg]
>
> Enjoying the last days of "spring".
> - Dave
>
> On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 7:17:02 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> A friend likes to build funky things on his property. This is his 
>> 'cathedral' complete with stained glass and copper/brushed steel onion 
>> dome. The dome is an homage to the Doukhobor community in which we live. 
>> [image: 
>> IMG_3457.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 8:41:59 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Well settled into late spring here 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240605_023852749.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday 3 June 2024 at 18:19:27 UTC-7 Chester wrote:
>>>
 Not-so-scenic snapshot of a recent ride on what's nominally my wife's 
 Clem L. Took one of my kids for a ride to a local BMX/pump track and 
 riding 
 the Clem at the park felt like what it might be like to drive a Caddy 
 DeVille on a go-kart track. The luxuriousness of the wheelbase has never 
 felt more apparent to me. But, snark aside, it actually handled pretty 
 sportily. And I didn't feel like a wimp for not catching air on the jumps, 
 like I have in the past when bringing a BMX bike or an MTB there.

 Chester 
 SF Bay Area

 [image: PSX_20240530_192040.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[maxcr]

PSA Nice looking 59 Clem L near Boston, MA @ $1,500 seems almost new (no 
connection to the seller). I'm glad I didn't see this before buying my 
Rosco Baby or I would've been very tempted :)

https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/bik/d/auburndale-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7756062078.html

Pasting the ad for reference:
>>I'm selling my Clem Smith Jr. It's a fantastic, smooth-riding Dutch-style 
upright bicycle. If you know Rivendell, you know it's well-designed, 
well-made, and well-sourced. I have too many bikes, and I've ridden it only 
a handful of times for a total of fewer than fifty miles. It deserves to be 
ridden and used.

Here are the specs from the website for the year (2021):
* FSA Duron Headset
* Shimano 118mm Cartridge BB
* Rivendell Silver 38/24t Crank
* Tektro 837AL V-Brakes
* Tektro RS360 Levers
* Alex DM24 Rim / Novatech Hubs
* Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm Tires (sturdy, puncture resistant, 
reflective stripe)
* Shimano Altus rear and front derailer
* 11-34 cassette
* A Microshift thumbie for the FD and an Acera trigger for the rear
* Nitto Tallux Stem -110mm.
* Our world famous Tosco handlebars, 60cm
* Kalloy Seatpost

It also has a sturdy rack, MKS Gamma pedals, which are grippy and wide, and 
Oury matchy grips. I will also throw in a nice Kryptonite U-Lock and key.

It's a size 59, which translates into a large. I'm 6'0" and usually ride a 
size 56 road bike and a size 19 mountain bike, and it fits me. I think it 
can accommodate someone 5'8"-ish to 6'2" by adjusting the seat and the stem.

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Valerie, 
>
> I thank you for sharing your information with me. It's nice to learn 
> something new. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 2:49 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> My Clem H from the first/2016 batch that came complete had wheels with 
>> CLEM hubs. 
>>
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel 
>> before. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>
>> 45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 
>>
>>
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html
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Re: [RBW] Why Bicycles Will Save the Human Race

[Steven Sweedler]

Thanks for sharing

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 3:17 PM Keith Paugh  wrote:

> That was great. Fun assignment.
>
> Well spoken John.
> k.
>
> On Jun 12, 2024, at 12:04 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> A number of years ago I was teaching children at a school in Asia, and I
> was invited to a learning conference to share my practice. One of the
> requirements for conference leaders was to present a 5-minute TED-style
> talk on a subject of their choice. I chose to speak about bicycles and why
> I believe they will save the human race.
>
>
> Here is the video (replete with hyperbole) for your enjoyment.
>
> Why Bicycles Will Save the Human Race
> 
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> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Why Bicycles Will Save the Human Race

[Keith Paugh]

That was great. Fun assignment.Well spoken John.k.On Jun 12, 2024, at 12:04 PM, John Rinker  wrote:A number of years ago I was teaching children at a school in Asia, and I was invited to a learning conference to share my practice. One of the requirements for conference leaders was to present a 5-minute TED-style talk on a subject of their choice. I chose to speak about bicycles and why I believe they will save the human race. Here is the video (replete with hyperbole) for your enjoyment.Why Bicycles Will Save the Human RaceCheers, John



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[RBW] Why Bicycles Will Save the Human Race

[John Rinker]

A number of years ago I was teaching children at a school in Asia, and I 
was invited to a learning conference to share my practice. One of the 
requirements for conference leaders was to present a 5-minute TED-style 
talk on a subject of their choice. I chose to speak about bicycles and why 
I believe they will save the human race. 

Here is the video (replete with hyperbole) for your enjoyment.

Why Bicycles Will Save the Human Race 


Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Mathias Steiner]

Hi Ted,

>>  stiffer...on the stiff-ish side more springy and like a limp 
noodle 

Thanks for your exhaustive and highly quantitative analysis :)

>>  like a limp noodle compared to the Cheviot. 

A diamond frame really does not do much flexing, at least vertically.. it 
is amazing to me how we can really feel a difference when riding. 
I can tell which frames are stiff but on the other hand it might be in my 
head.

After the recent Rivendell 'string test' I'm more willing to believe that 
the difference is real and bigger than I'd thought.


>>  A bit more springy, mostly because of the fork, I think

I believe you are right, but again don't really know.
The bike that I'll be buried with is a Cannondale T400 I bought new 30 
years ago. Fenders with 38 mm tires work, and 28s are fine, too. It's light 
and stiff and bright red and a joy to ride just about anywhere.

But my best rider is a 1987 ST600 with modern wheels and 32 mm Conti GPs. 
No fenders, and no room for more tires, so it's mostly for asphalt and nice 
weather, and at 25 inches, it's borderline too tall for me. But it's a joy 
on the road, light weight, and the fork is much springier, as befits a 
sport tourer vs. an outright touring bike. Every time I get on that bike it 
feels fast, which I can't really understand. I've happily ridden up to 80 
miles on it, which isn't going to impress anyone in this crowd :)

Both of these are stiff in the rear triangle thanks to oversize aluminum. 
That does not make them uncomfortable.

Switching out the T400 unicrown fork for something more rando-y would 
probably make superb long-distance bikes.

Has anyone here tried that? Make a bicycle more compliant by switching out 
the fork?

cheers -mathias


On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 12:04:52 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
> I'd like to renew my request for kitchen scale frame and fork weights from 
> recipients of Sam Hillborne frames.
> I wonder if they are as brutally stiff as my TIG'd tourer. I'm not even 
> sure that's a bad thing, but I'm curious.
>
>
> I will try to remember to weigh mine before building it up. I have two 
> from the previous batch, and I have had lots of other frames for 
> comparison. Bearing in mind I'm super skinny and riding them on ~48mm 
> tires, they feel notably stiffer than my skinny-light-tube noodle 
> Terraferma, on the stiff-ish side of my road bikes (Rivendell custom, 
> Waterford ST-22, Heron Road), similar to the Bleriot, quite a bit more 
> springy than the Waterford-built Riv ATB, and like a limp noodle compared 
> to the Cheviot. The best comparison would be my BreadWinner G-Road, and it 
> should say something that my new Sam is replacing my G-Road. A bit more 
> springy, mostly because of the fork, I think, and a bit better fit. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Saddlesack Medium, gray, $150

[Joe Bernard]

No longer for sale cuz I decided to keep it. It's a good bag! 

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:56:55 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My 20-year flirtation with saddlebags seems to be over, I'm a 
> trunkbag-and/or-Backabikes guy now. 
>
> Older style of the Happisack with dual straps and kangaroo pouch, this 
> "medium" is quite large. 
>
> This is an ex-Leah Bicycle Belle Ding Ding bag, note the adorable patch 
> under the pouch which looks like her blue Clem that I also now own! 
>
> $150 + shipping
> PayPal Venmo check 
>
> Email or text for questions and more pics
> joeremi62 gmail com 
> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>
> Thanks! ‍♂️
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240610_084506.jpg][image: 
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:

I'd like to renew my request for kitchen scale frame and fork weights from 
recipients of Sam Hillborne frames.
I wonder if they are as brutally stiff as my TIG'd tourer. I'm not even 
sure that's a bad thing, but I'm curious.


I will try to remember to weigh mine before building it up. I have two from 
the previous batch, and I have had lots of other frames for comparison. 
Bearing in mind I'm super skinny and riding them on ~48mm tires, they feel 
notably stiffer than my skinny-light-tube noodle Terraferma, on the 
stiff-ish side of my road bikes (Rivendell custom, Waterford ST-22, Heron 
Road), similar to the Bleriot, quite a bit more springy than the 
Waterford-built Riv ATB, and like a limp noodle compared to the Cheviot. 
The best comparison would be my BreadWinner G-Road, and it should say 
something that my new Sam is replacing my G-Road. A bit more springy, 
mostly because of the fork, I think, and a bit better fit. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 10:22:18 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

I recently took my 60cm Platy from NYC to Philly via Amtrak and it fit with 
plenty of clearance both length-wise and tire wise.


And maximal credit for extensive use of Irish straps!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Leah,

With the front wheel removed and the bike hanging from the rear wheel, 
there'll be plenty of room.  (Also, bags need to be removed from the bike, 
though.) Here's a photo of my Rawland rSogn heading to D2R2 in Vermont. The 
bike has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on. On the return 
trip, I was told that I didn't need to take the front wheel off, and that 
also fit. So, your 55 Platy with a 74" length will fit just fine hanging by 
the rear wheel with the front wheel off. No crew member will measure your 
bike.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 10:47:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ok. I’m going home after work to practice and then lay in bed all night 
> agonizing over it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 12, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
> You can also use your knee under the saddle and push raise the bike up 
> with one leg while having both hands on the bars. One hand on saddle one on 
> bars works well also.
>
>
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:47:05 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Whoa whoa whoa! The saddle is not IN my pants ma’am!
>> My waistband functions like a handle kinda. Best if wearing jeans.
>> Otherwise just use my abdomen to help push the bike up. 
>> I knew this would read poorly LOL! 
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:40, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>> This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind 
>> it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just 
>> enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting 
>> vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the 
>> ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and 
>> stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. 
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is 
>> such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? 
>> But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift 
>> it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve 
>> never done vertical. Will the train guy help?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel 
>> and fender off the ground.
>> 
>>
>>
>> Collin, back in Berkeley
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh yes, please send that photo! 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>>
>>> I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a 
>>> week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no 
>>> one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop 
>>> on.
>>>
>>>
>>> The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The 
>>> “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter 
>>> is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the 
>>> bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. 
>>>
>>> I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.
>>> Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this moment
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
 too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
 are 
 rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
 would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
 the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
 know what the setup is inside the train cars. 

 If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
 know. 

 Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
 that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
 wheels with the 42mm tires!

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

Ok. I’m going home after work to practice and then lay in bed all night agonizing over it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Brian Forsee  wrote:You can also use your knee under the saddle and push raise the bike up with one leg while having both hands on the bars. One hand on saddle one on bars works well also.BrianOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:47:05 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:Whoa whoa whoa! The saddle is not IN my pants ma’am!My waistband functions like a handle kinda. Best if wearing jeans.Otherwise just use my abdomen to help push the bike up. I knew this would read poorly LOL! On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:40, Leah Peterson  wrote:I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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[RBW] Re: revisted topic: plestcher double leg kickstands (not) fitting on rivs

[ian m]

"Blue Lug putting incompatible products on their builds" is a weird 
comment, especially given these bikes are made with kickstand plates and 
should then theoretically be designed around them working. I'm surprised 
there are issues with Clems and double kickstands, I used one on my 1st gen 
Clem H for years with 48mm tires, the extra long chainstays pushed the tire 
back beyond the curve of the kickstand and there was like acres of empty 
space around it. I guess the geometry changed some since then.That double 
Pletscher is now on my wife's Hillborne, and while it does sometimes hit 
the tire when folding up otherwise has no rub and it's her daily commuter.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 9:51:25 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> Thank you for that info! Direct from the source at that. Kind of annoying 
> Blue Lug is putting incompatible products on their builds, and so many of 
> them, as it led me to believe there was a real solution. 
>
> Kickstand won't be for mounting and dismounting the kid, he's actually 5 
> so im hoping with a quick boost he'll get on on his own. I'm using the Yepp 
> Budget which is a version of the next seat after the Yepp Maxi like you 
> have on there. I just like a kickstand and prefer a double. If necessary 
> i'll get a big boy and donate this one to another bike. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4 Frakern wrote:
>
>> Blue Lug put a double stand on our Clem Smith Jr when we bought it 
>> through them. After a while it would rub on the tires when we had fatter 
>> tires on it. As I recall when I took it back to Blue Lug and they adjusted 
>> it by rotating it slightly and tightening down the bolts. But they said it 
>> would eventually shift back and start rubbing again so this would need to 
>> be done every once in a while. In the end I filed down the legs a bit with 
>> a metal file where it was rubbing to try to give it more clearance. 
>>
>> Be aware though that if you're having a child carrier on the back rack 
>> the bike won't be stable even with the plestcher double. At least for us, 
>> the balance of the bike was such that with a child on the back seat the 
>> bike would lean on the back wheel with the front wheel in the air and be 
>> unstable. Without a child on the back seat the bike rests with the front 
>> wheel down and the back wheel up. We ended up getting a different stand 
>> that I can't recall the name of at the moment that was much larger and 
>> folded out more in a v shape towards the front of the bike that made it 
>> more stable. But as our son got older and heavier, the stand mount on the 
>> bike started to bend and wear out. So be careful. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20231130_045249926.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 2:44:25 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> I tried this sometime a year or two ago. 
>>>
>>> I am very close to finishing up a clem L that will be a dedicated kid 
>>> carrier (think mamafiet) with spoke protector, yepp budget seat, etc.
>>>
>>> i had a spare plestcher kickstand hanging around and wanted to get it on 
>>> the bike. i KNOW blue lug does this, and it really doesn't matter the size 
>>> tire. mine are not even close to maxed out on the bike and im still getting 
>>> the dreaded rub (got the same on my country appaloosa) 
>>>
>>> does anyone have any experience wit this? has anyone asked blue lug how 
>>> they do it? I am not a huge fan of single leggers and i don't really wan to 
>>> spend money on a different kickstand ( but i will) 
>>>
>>> i'd love to get the one i have working. but am curious as to a sure fire 
>>> way to do so. before anyone suggests, i've aready reached out to riv. they 
>>> don't have any real solutions. but i know one exists. im determined.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> michael
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

[ryan . trent . olson]

Wow, Ireland.  No, sorry, I don’t want to ship internationally.  It would probably cost more to ship it than the wheels themselves and it would take a really long time to get there.Thanks,RyanSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2024, at 4:41 AM, Nicholas A  wrote:Interested in the VO wheels if you would ship to Ireland?On Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 00:51:30 UTC+1 campyo...@me.com wrote:PM sent on the Crust wheels.
--Eric Norriscampyo...@me.comInsta: @CampyOnlyGuyYouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:Hi All,I have some wheels and tires for sale:1     Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 130mm
rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd cassette, quick release levers and rim
tape included.  Hardly used, a few
hundred miles.  Here’s a link to the
crust webpage with more information:  https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets       Price: 
$200 plus shipping.Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with
tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, V-O Voyager rim
22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear hub and V-O front
hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, lightly used, again maybe a
few hundred miles.Webpage for Voyager rims:  https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657Webpage for V-O front hub:  https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089 Price:  $200 plus shipping.Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. Price: $50 plus shipping for both. Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around the
block.  They weren’t what I was looking
for.  Pretty heavy FYI.Price: 
$40 plus shipping for both. Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7Paypal or Venmo will work.Thanks for looking, Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Brian Forsee]

You can also use your knee under the saddle and push raise the bike up with 
one leg while having both hands on the bars. One hand on saddle one on bars 
works well also.

Brian

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:47:05 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Whoa whoa whoa! The saddle is not IN my pants ma’am!
> My waistband functions like a handle kinda. Best if wearing jeans.
> Otherwise just use my abdomen to help push the bike up. 
> I knew this would read poorly LOL! 
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:40, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 
> This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, 
> pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough 
> that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop 
> that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down 
> and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using 
> your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. 
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such 
> a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But 
> how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it 
> overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never 
> done vertical. Will the train guy help?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel 
> and fender off the ground.
> 
>
>
> Collin, back in Berkeley
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, please send that photo! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a 
>> week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no 
>> one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop 
>> on.
>>
>>
>> The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The 
>> “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter 
>> is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the 
>> bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. 
>>
>> I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.
>> Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this moment
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
>>> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are 
>>> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
>>> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
>>> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
>>> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>>>
>>> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
>>> know. 
>>>
>>> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
>>> that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
>>> wheels with the 42mm tires!
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - Lugged Susie

[Richard Rose]

What Valerie says precisely. Susie / Gus bikes are mountain bikes. “Hillibike” is clever & cute but does not do them justice, in my humble opinion. It’s confusing because you can ride them for other duties but.., if you have tires that optimize a Gus/Susie for MTB use, it’s not fantastic on pavement. That said I do not hesitate to ride my Gus to the trail or use it for gravel or bikepacking trips. But if dirt is not a big part of my ride I take my Clem. BTW, a riding friend just bought a used Sam - it was Rich Lesnik’s bike from Riv! It’s a beauty & a 26” bike. We did a Sub24 mostly gravel bikepacking trip. He on his Sam, I on my Clem. He was loving the Sam. But he does not do MTB.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2024, at 12:30 AM, Valerie Yates  wrote:I have both and consider them very different bikes. With the right tires, you can definitely ride your Appa on dirt and trails. It is my choice for loaded tours and scenic rides. The Susie has a very different feel to me. The tires can go much bigger and somehow its geometry makes me feel much more confident taking it on trails with more variable terrain. Downhills are a blast. But it is not my ride around town choice. To me, the Susie is the ultimate rigid mountain bike. It is big and bouncy and fun. If I could only have one, I consider the Appa more versatile. But it is mighty nice to have both. If you are on the fence, start taking your Appa on trails for now and see if you want a more dirt-oriented bike. Best,Val in Boulder CO On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:35:30 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:Can someone who’s ridden both bikes tell me: what’s the difference, between the Susie and the Appaloosa? I’d like to start riding more dirt and trails—but no crazy fast stuff or jumps—and I’m wondering if I should get a Susie or just stick with my Appaloosa.

Does the Susie have better clearance, geometry, and/or strength to make it a better choice for dirt and trails? Or is the Susie similar enough to the Appaloosa that I won’t notice the difference?



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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Mathias Steiner]

I'd like to renew my request for kitchen scale frame and fork weights from 
recipients of Sam Hillborne frames.
I wonder if they are as brutally stiff as my TIG'd tourer. I'm not even 
sure that's a bad thing, but I'm curious.

JP:
I'm full up with bikes so I resisted, but the bronzey green Sams look 
fantastic and really tempted me. 

Ted,
Like I said the bag "looks great" but of course you're right and I change 
my vote:

>> a bit too reminiscent of Minnesota Vikings color 

...not to mention the colors of the  University of Michigan [spits on 
floor]!

cheers -mathias

in East Lansing, home of Michigan State :)

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 11:08:58 PM UTC-4 jinxed wrote:

> SO SO bummed I missed out on the 54s. These really hit the sweet spot on 
> the Riv ruler for me. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>
>> I'm getting the bronzy green version Sam and am pretty excited. Moving 
>> most of the parts from my Bridgestone T700 over which are mostly classic 
>> silver finish. I've been researching traditional Rivendell elf costumes and 
>> color schemes for some inspiration for *accoutrements and could use help 
>> and suggestions. Maybe they are obvious and I'm just not seeing them. *
>>
>> Cheers
>> JP in PH  
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>> Nay.
>>> It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I 
>>> have a few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and 
>>> I am pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I 
>>> also have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I 
>>> appreciate their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, 
>>> though, I'm inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the 
>>> access while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 
>>> or F-19A rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top 
>>> invites overloading.
>>>
>>> Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
>>> periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
>>> art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
>>> It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
>>> Minnesota Vikings colors. 
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>  
>>>
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[RBW] Filson and BXB

[Ryan Mulcahy]

Hi, all, lowering the price of this BagsXBird Teardrop to $90, shipped 
USPS, and adding a Filson tin cloth briefcase. This is MUSA -- I'm not sure 
they are anymore -- and costs $395 new. Mine has a little bit of a normal 
wear but I haven't used it very much -- switched to mostly working from 
home -- and is in good shape. $225, shipped USPS

tires also still for sale: $35, .shipped USPS

Venmo or check. 

thanks for looking!

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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

[Nicholas A]

Interested in the VO wheels if you would ship to Ireland?

On Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 00:51:30 UTC+1 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> PM sent on the Crust wheels.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have some wheels and tires for sale:
>
> 1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 
> 130mm rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd 
> cassette, quick release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few 
> hundred miles.  Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets
>
>Price:  $200 plus shipping.
>
>
> Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, 
> V-O Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear 
> hub and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, 
> lightly used, again maybe a few hundred miles.
>
> Webpage for Voyager rims:  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657
>
> Webpage for V-O front hub:  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089
>
>  Price:  $200 plus shipping.
>
>
> Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 
>
> Price: $50 plus shipping for both.
>
>
>  Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around 
> the block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy FYI.
>
> Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.
>  
>
> Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7
>
> Paypal or Venmo will work.
>
> Thanks for looking,
>  
>
> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - Lugged Susie

[Valerie Yates]

I have both and consider them very different bikes. With the right tires, 
you can definitely ride your Appa on dirt and trails. It is my choice for 
loaded tours and scenic rides. The Susie has a very different feel to me. 
The tires can go much bigger and somehow its geometry makes me feel much 
more confident taking it on trails with more variable terrain. Downhills 
are a blast. But it is not my ride around town choice. To me, the Susie is 
the ultimate rigid mountain bike. It is big and bouncy and fun. If I could 
only have one, I consider the Appa more versatile. But it is mighty nice to 
have both. If you are on the fence, start taking your Appa on trails for 
now and see if you want a more dirt-oriented bike. 

Best,
Val in Boulder CO 
On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:35:30 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Can someone who’s ridden both bikes tell me: what’s the difference, 
> between the Susie and the Appaloosa? I’d like to start riding more dirt and 
> trails—but no crazy fast stuff or jumps—and I’m wondering if I should get a 
> Susie or just stick with my Appaloosa.
>
> Does the Susie have better clearance, geometry, and/or strength to make it 
> a better choice for dirt and trails? Or is the Susie similar enough to the 
> Appaloosa that I won’t notice the difference?

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SO SO bummed I missed out on the 54s. These really hit the sweet spot on 
the Riv ruler for me. 

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:

> I'm getting the bronzy green version Sam and am pretty excited. Moving 
> most of the parts from my Bridgestone T700 over which are mostly classic 
> silver finish. I've been researching traditional Rivendell elf costumes and 
> color schemes for some inspiration for *accoutrements and could use help 
> and suggestions. Maybe they are obvious and I'm just not seeing them. *
>
> Cheers
> JP in PH  
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Nay.
>> It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.
>>
>>
>> Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I have 
>> a few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and I am 
>> pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I also 
>> have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I appreciate 
>> their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, though, I'm 
>> inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the access 
>> while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 or F-19A 
>> rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top invites 
>> overloading.
>>
>> Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
>> periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
>> art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
>> It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
>> Minnesota Vikings colors. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[MoVelo]

I'm getting the bronzy green version Sam and am pretty excited. Moving most 
of the parts from my Bridgestone T700 over which are mostly classic silver 
finish. I've been researching traditional Rivendell elf costumes and color 
schemes for some inspiration for *accoutrements and could use help and 
suggestions. Maybe they are obvious and I'm just not seeing them. *

Cheers
JP in PH  

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
> Nay.
> It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.
>
>
> Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I have 
> a few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and I am 
> pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I also 
> have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I appreciate 
> their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, though, I'm 
> inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the access 
> while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 or F-19A 
> rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top invites 
> overloading.
>
> Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
> periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
> art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
> It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
> Minnesota Vikings colors. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - Lugged Susie

[Matthew Williams]

Can someone who’s ridden both bikes tell me: what’s the difference, between the 
Susie and the Appaloosa? I’d like to start riding more dirt and trails—but no 
crazy fast stuff or jumps—and I’m wondering if I should get a Susie or just 
stick with my Appaloosa.

Does the Susie have better clearance, geometry, and/or strength to make it a 
better choice for dirt and trails? Or is the Susie similar enough to the 
Appaloosa that I won’t notice the difference?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Sorry for my late reply!  I'm catching up on the posts after a busy week.

Brady, you are doing great and are smart to realize when it's not your day
and throw in the towel.  The SR series will happen, no doubt!

--Ted, I agree that sometimes we can get obsessed with the goal and both
fail to enjoy the process and pursue the goal to the detriment of our
health and wellbeing too.  At the same time I can relate to the sunk cost
situation where I am 11/12ths of the way there, and even though the 12th
one is going to be horrible, I don't want to start over at 1 again.

It's important to remind ourselves that we are riding for fun
(acknowledging that there are different types of "fun") and while
perseverance is something to foster, it should not be to the detriment of
our long-term health and well being.

Stay safe and have "fun"!
Toshi in Oakland, CA

P.S. I'm planning on a Santa Cruz 200k on June 22nd, which should be
relatively relaxed (compared to Bill's Marin mountains challenge!).  After
that a 100k mixed terrain ride up Mt. Tam--super fun SFR ride in August (El
Paseito Mixto).  Maybe I'll see some list members that day?

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[RBW] Re: revisted topic: plestcher double leg kickstands (not) fitting on rivs

[Michael Baquerizo]

Thank you for that info! Direct from the source at that. Kind of annoying 
Blue Lug is putting incompatible products on their builds, and so many of 
them, as it led me to believe there was a real solution. 

Kickstand won't be for mounting and dismounting the kid, he's actually 5 so 
im hoping with a quick boost he'll get on on his own. I'm using the Yepp 
Budget which is a version of the next seat after the Yepp Maxi like you 
have on there. I just like a kickstand and prefer a double. If necessary 
i'll get a big boy and donate this one to another bike. 

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4 Frakern wrote:

> Blue Lug put a double stand on our Clem Smith Jr when we bought it through 
> them. After a while it would rub on the tires when we had fatter tires on 
> it. As I recall when I took it back to Blue Lug and they adjusted it by 
> rotating it slightly and tightening down the bolts. But they said it would 
> eventually shift back and start rubbing again so this would need to be done 
> every once in a while. In the end I filed down the legs a bit with a metal 
> file where it was rubbing to try to give it more clearance. 
>
> Be aware though that if you're having a child carrier on the back rack the 
> bike won't be stable even with the plestcher double. At least for us, the 
> balance of the bike was such that with a child on the back seat the bike 
> would lean on the back wheel with the front wheel in the air and be 
> unstable. Without a child on the back seat the bike rests with the front 
> wheel down and the back wheel up. We ended up getting a different stand 
> that I can't recall the name of at the moment that was much larger and 
> folded out more in a v shape towards the front of the bike that made it 
> more stable. But as our son got older and heavier, the stand mount on the 
> bike started to bend and wear out. So be careful. 
>
> [image: PXL_20231130_045249926.jpg]
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 2:44:25 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> I tried this sometime a year or two ago. 
>>
>> I am very close to finishing up a clem L that will be a dedicated kid 
>> carrier (think mamafiet) with spoke protector, yepp budget seat, etc.
>>
>> i had a spare plestcher kickstand hanging around and wanted to get it on 
>> the bike. i KNOW blue lug does this, and it really doesn't matter the size 
>> tire. mine are not even close to maxed out on the bike and im still getting 
>> the dreaded rub (got the same on my country appaloosa) 
>>
>> does anyone have any experience wit this? has anyone asked blue lug how 
>> they do it? I am not a huge fan of single leggers and i don't really wan to 
>> spend money on a different kickstand ( but i will) 
>>
>> i'd love to get the one i have working. but am curious as to a sure fire 
>> way to do so. before anyone suggests, i've aready reached out to riv. they 
>> don't have any real solutions. but i know one exists. im determined.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> michael
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[luckyturnip]

Whoa whoa whoa! The saddle is not IN my pants ma’am!My waistband functions like a handle kinda. Best if wearing jeans.Otherwise just use my abdomen to help push the bike up. I knew this would read poorly LOL! On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:40, Leah Peterson  wrote:I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:05:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and 
fender off the ground.


I hang my bikes vertically in my basement. My fendered bikes hang from 
their back wheels so the rear fender doesn't get crunched. They are 
definitely harder to hang that way. However, if you use a toe strap or 
Irish strap or similar to tie the back of the front wheel to the downtube, 
 you might find it's easier. I stand at the left side of the bike, left 
hand on left fork, right hand at the bottom of the seat tube, squat down 
and lift with your legs, keeping your right arm in tight to keep the bike 
in close to your body. YMMV

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:

Nay.
It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.


Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I have a 
few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and I am 
pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I also 
have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I appreciate 
their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, though, I'm 
inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the access 
while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 or F-19A 
rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top invites 
overloading.

Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
Minnesota Vikings colors. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Franco Rinaldi]

Wonder if a Clem would fit?Franco Rinaldi c:  646.403.0661 -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:05 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[luckyturnip]

This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[ian m]

On the other hand, a roll top is a very good method for keeping the 
elements out of a bag, and if you are otherwise running something like a 
basket with a cargo net then you are undoubtedly used to not accessing your 
stuff while riding. In such cases there are indeed times when a roll top 
has a place on a front bag

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:29:16 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 3:15:50 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
> For those who are getting a Periwinkle Sam ... what color combos are you 
> planning for your build?
>
>
> Thanks to Michael Connors for sharing the Blue Lug Periwinkle Sam photo. I 
> was struck by how much black is on it ... tire sidewalls, saddle, handlebar 
> wrap, basket bag ... and I'm not a fan of that look. My initial plan is to 
> swap all the parts over from my G-Road, which will mean tan sidewalls but 
> black saddle, black brake hoods, with handlebar wrap in a few shades of 
> blue and a navy handlebar bag.  Sim.Works just got in a collab with Randi 
> Jo, called the Muscovy handlebar bag, and this is an option I am 
> considering. Yay or Nay??
> [image: Image.jpeg]
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

PM sent on the Crust wheels.

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> On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some wheels and tires for sale:
> 
> 1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 130mm 
> rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd cassette, quick 
> release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few hundred miles.  
> Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets
> 
>Price:  $200 plus shipping.
> 
> 
> 
> Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, V-O 
> Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear hub 
> and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, lightly 
> used, again maybe a few hundred miles.
> 
> Webpage for Voyager rims:  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657
> 
> Webpage for V-O front hub:  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089
> 
>  Price:  $200 plus shipping.
> 
> 
> 
> Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 
> 
> Price: $50 plus shipping for both.
> 
> 
> 
>  Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around the 
> block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy FYI.
> 
> Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.
> 
>  
> Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7
> 
> Paypal or Venmo will work.
> 
> Thanks for looking,
> 
>  
> Ryan
> 
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[RBW] FS: Wheels and tires

[R Olson]

Hi All,

I have some wheels and tires for sale:

1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 130mm 
rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd cassette, 
quick release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few hundred 
miles.  Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets

   Price:  $200 plus shipping.


Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, V-O 
Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear hub 
and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, lightly 
used, again maybe a few hundred miles.

Webpage for Voyager rims:  
https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657

Webpage for V-O front hub:  
https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089

 Price:  $200 plus shipping.


Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 

Price: $50 plus shipping for both.


 Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around 
the block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy FYI.

Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.

 

Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7

Paypal or Venmo will work.

Thanks for looking,

 

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

Oh yes, please send that photo! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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[RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Collin A]

I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. 
I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on 
Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.

The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The 
“hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter 
is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the 
bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. 

I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.
Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this moment

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too 
> long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are 
> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>
> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
> know. 
>
> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
> that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
> wheels with the 42mm tires!
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Saddle Design

[Steve]

Cheeky!

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 2:29:09 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Needs saddlebag loops. :)
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 2:23 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Not quite my style, but an interesting design...
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>
>> Introducing vabsRider by ataraxyBSC 
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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Mackenzy Albright]

John - Don't stress too much. Moving from traditional triangle frames to 
step-though super long riv's I've realized the amount of flexibility of fit 
with Riv's. So much is based on personal opinion and personal ergonomics. I 
found on my Riv I like a short low stem with wide swept back bars. It gives 
me a good hip hinge angle and should stance that prevents neck pain that I 
personally struggle with from an inury. I ride holding in front of the 
levers a lot when I am pedaling at a high cadence. Riv's are also generally 
very easy to swap parts shifter and bar wrap pending. I'd recommend waiting 
to use wrapped bars or internal routing of cables (for example bar end 
shifters) until things have dialed in. 
On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-7 gds...@gmail.com wrote:

> By the way I think your bike fit looks fine.
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7:43:03 AM UTC-6 Gordon Stam wrote:
>
>> John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make 
>> similar faces. It is, after all, serious business!
>>
>> And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
>> the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
>> happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this one: 
>> https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
>>> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
>>> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
>>> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>>>
>>> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
>>> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
>>> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
>>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
 experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
 more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
 speculation though.

 I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
 two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
 time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
 between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
 while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the 
 axis 
 of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
 turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
 the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting 
 behind 
 the axle as currently mocked up? 

  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
 were still worried you got the wrong size.

 Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second 
 riv.  But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other 
 rivendell models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, 
 compared to my first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  
 My 
 AR, Ram, Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
 characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd 
 consider 
 getting a different model for variety's sake.
 On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>
> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 
> 26" Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 
> 100mm Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my 
> PBH 
> is about 78. 
>
> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>
> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt 
> ok-ish. Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too 
> stretched out and not really cramped either. 
>
> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
> used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, 
> we 
> all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
> frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>
> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus 
> would be too large? 
>
> Thanks y'all! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis 55 for sale

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Bump and price drop. 
Frame and fork for *$1300*.  I can also sell the complete bike. We can 
negotiate the price depending on wheel set. The bike is available in 
Danville, CA for test rides/local pick up. Shipping can be arranged through 
a local bike shop. 

Thanks for looking . 

Deepak

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:04:49 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> Bump and an update .
> I have decided to offer frame and fork for $1500.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 20:26 atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have decided to sell my Atlantis to fund for Sam. I believe that this 
>> is 2019 model. I am the second owner. The bike is excellent condition and 
>> may be with normal wear and tear (See photo, no dents or scratches visible 
>> to naked eyes). Also the original owner had seat tube reamed to 27.2. The 
>> only reason I am selling is that for my weight and riding habits Sam would 
>> probably suit me better and the new color is very tempting! Asking for 
>> $1600 frame (I would like to keep all the components for Sam build) ,pre 
>> shipping. I might be persuaded to sell cranks, we can discuss.  I am based 
>> out of east bay, CA  and would prefer local sale. Now the big caveat! I 
>> will only sell if the new Sam frame (54) is still available at the time of 
>> sale! 
>>
>> thanks for looking. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_0797.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: HHH changes and ride report

['Phillip Hathaway' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks like you had beautiful weather. My wife and I rode from Elkins to 
Montrose last year at this time with similar weather but the trail was 
closed for a bit beyond that for road construction and then again beyond 
Parsons for trail maintenance. Is it completely open from Elkins to Thomas 
now? It's a beautiful and quiet ride when the weather is fine!

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7:48:08 AM UTC-6 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> After talking with Will from Rivendell at the Philadelphia Bike Expo about 
> he has his HHH setup I decided to make some changes to ours (although the 
> sweptback bars work well for me on my Clem, I and my stoker did not like 
> the position on longer rides on the HHH). I put Wavie bars on for the 
> stoker, and similar profile VO bars on for the captain, plus wider Teravail 
> Ehline tires from Riv to make it even better on unpaved surfaces. 
>
>
> Last Saturday my wife and I took the HHH on its first longer 
> post-transformation ride. We rode 61 miles on the Allegheny Highlands and 
> Blackwater Canyon trails between Elkins and Thomas, WV. 
>
>
> The Allegheny Highlands Trail has some pavement, but is mostly gravel dual 
> track, and the Blackwater Canyon trail is a mix of rough gravel road and 
> single track. 
>
>
> The HHH did great on this ride — we were comfortable, and the bike was 
> transformed. We’d previously offered this bike for sale, as it is the least 
> used of our 4 tandems, but now have both decided it’s a keeper, and plan on 
> more rides like this one where our other tandems would not be good at all. 
>
>
> The photos are of the HHH on the Blackwater Canyon Trail (and one of the 
> shot of the single track which is most of that trail) and one with oncoming 
> cyclists (two of only 5 we saw all day!) which shows the general nature of 
> most of the Allegheny Highlands Trail. 
>
>
> Julian Westerhout
>
> Bloomington, IL 
>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Mathias Steiner]

Nay.
It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:29:16 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 3:15:50 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
> For those who are getting a Periwinkle Sam ... what color combos are you 
> planning for your build?
>
>
> Thanks to Michael Connors for sharing the Blue Lug Periwinkle Sam photo. I 
> was struck by how much black is on it ... tire sidewalls, saddle, handlebar 
> wrap, basket bag ... and I'm not a fan of that look. My initial plan is to 
> swap all the parts over from my G-Road, which will mean tan sidewalls but 
> black saddle, black brake hoods, with handlebar wrap in a few shades of 
> blue and a navy handlebar bag.  Sim.Works just got in a collab with Randi 
> Jo, called the Muscovy handlebar bag, and this is an option I am 
> considering. Yay or Nay??
> [image: Image.jpeg]
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
>
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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Tim Tetrault]

You definitely aren't alone in feeling the "Surly needs spacers" 
comfort/discomfort issue. It looks like the brand is course correcting with 
current models, perhaps.

Congrats on the Riv. 

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 11:44:19 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your kind words. I'm enjoying the bike more the 
> more I ride it - it engenders a different, more relaxed pace - perfect for 
> exploring.
>
> Eric, your Appaloosa with Ortho bars was an insipiration for me, so your 
> words mean a lot!
>
> Jay - funny you mention C, because this frame actually made its way to 
> me from them! They are super nice people and I love what they're doing with 
> bikes (obviously).
>
> On Saturday 6 April 2024 at 05:17:36 UTC+10:30 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great post and run-down, Dan! The Appaloosa is lookin' good. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:29:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> I also love this post!
>>>
>>> I was in C Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
>>> caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.
>>>
>>> That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new bike. 
 It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 

 mike in austin tx


 On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. 
> I’ve gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this 
> forum, 
> so it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>
>
> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
> Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein 
> in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and 
> that 
> they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read 
> about 
> the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw 
> was 
> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell 
> fan 
> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what 
> I 
> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
> reality.
>
>
> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little 
> bit about the other bikes in my stable…
>
>
> *Surly Straggler*
>
> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any 
> research on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all 
> bike, one that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding 
> anywhere and everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all 
> my expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It 
> does 
> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers 
> I 
> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, 
> though 
> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought 
> this 
> bike.
>
>
> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>
>
> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>
> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have 
> more than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry 
> Barentsen 
> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could 
> get 
> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head 
> tube 
> graphic sold me instantly!
>
> This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - 
> the wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with 
> me. 
> It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
> practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike 
> that 
> non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
> ride upright.
>
>
> [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]
>
>
> *Why Appaloosa?*
>
> Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to 

[RBW] Re: Out and About with My Quickbeam

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

My Quickbeam and I have been to so many places together, but even a short 
ride like this is still fun. 


For storage reasons I have had to keep my herd thinned, but if that wasn't 
the case the Quickbeam might be the first bike I'd re-acquire.

td 

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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Gordon Stam]

By the way I think your bike fit looks fine.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7:43:03 AM UTC-6 Gordon Stam wrote:

> John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make 
> similar faces. It is, after all, serious business!
>
> And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
> the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
> happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this one: 
> https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
>> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
>> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
>> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>>
>> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
>> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
>> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
>>> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
>>> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
>>> speculation though.
>>>
>>> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
>>> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
>>> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
>>> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
>>> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
>>> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
>>> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
>>> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
>>> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>>>
>>>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
>>> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>>>
>>> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
>>> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
>>> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
>>> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
>>> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
>>> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
>>> getting a different model for variety's sake.
>>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 

 Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
 Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
 Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
 about 78. 

 How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 

 Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt 
 ok-ish. Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too 
 stretched out and not really cramped either. 

 To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
 used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we 
 all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
 frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
 Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 

 Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
 be too large? 

 Thanks y'all! 



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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Gordon Stam]

John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make similar 
faces. It is, after all, serious business!

And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this 
one: https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/



On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>
> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
>> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
>> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
>> speculation though.
>>
>> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
>> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
>> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
>> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
>> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
>> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
>> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
>> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
>> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>>
>>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
>> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>>
>> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
>> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
>> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
>> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
>> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
>> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
>> getting a different model for variety's sake.
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>>>
>>> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
>>> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
>>> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
>>> about 78. 
>>>
>>> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>>>
>>> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt ok-ish. 
>>> Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too stretched 
>>> out and not really cramped either. 
>>>
>>> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
>>> used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we 
>>> all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
>>> frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
>>> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>>>
>>> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
>>> be too large? 
>>>
>>> Thanks y'all! 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Garth]

You could always take your bike(s) down to the local Amrak station and ask 
if you can go onoard a train while it's stopped to see if the  given bike 
will fit. Even if you have to buy a ticket to enter, check the fit, and 
leave before it departs, it's not like it's expensive !  I have no idea how 
long it's stopped for, so do check beforehand ! 
On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 10:41:26 PM UTC-4 DTL wrote:

> Oh it's a hook system, yeah I have run into that on a ferry, and did use a 
> strap because the rear wheel did't come off the ground when the front had 
> been hooked (and this bikes 'dimensions' was 29 x 2.3wheels, 450mm CS, 
> 435mm Reach)
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 12:24:00 PM UTC+10 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Another thing you may want to consider is bringing an extra Voile strap as 
> additional security for hanging your bike on the hook. One time, while 
> returning on Amtrak after finishing the GAP, I discovered that my bike had 
> bounced off the hook at some point. Luckily there was no damage or 
> anything, but I would personally strap my wheel to the hook to avoid that 
> possibility next time.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY 
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 10:03 PM, DTL  wrote:
>
> Even by non-rivendell standards 74 inches end to end isn't that big - a 
> modern gravel bike barely fits (thinking 700c 40mm tires, 440mm chainstays) 
> so add larger tires, or longer reach of a mountain bike and you're plum out 
> of luck.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[DTL]

Oh it's a hook system, yeah I have run into that on a ferry, and did use a 
strap because the rear wheel did't come off the ground when the front had 
been hooked (and this bikes 'dimensions' was 29 x 2.3wheels, 450mm CS, 
435mm Reach)

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 12:24:00 PM UTC+10 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

Another thing you may want to consider is bringing an extra Voile strap as 
additional security for hanging your bike on the hook. One time, while 
returning on Amtrak after finishing the GAP, I discovered that my bike had 
bounced off the hook at some point. Luckily there was no damage or 
anything, but I would personally strap my wheel to the hook to avoid that 
possibility next time.

Brian
Lexington KY 

On Jun 10, 2024, at 10:03 PM, DTL  wrote:

Even by non-rivendell standards 74 inches end to end isn't that big - a 
modern gravel bike barely fits (thinking 700c 40mm tires, 440mm chainstays) 
so add larger tires, or longer reach of a mountain bike and you're plum out 
of luck.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Brian Turner]

Another thing you may want to consider is bringing an extra Voile strap as additional security for hanging your bike on the hook. One time, while returning on Amtrak after finishing the GAP, I discovered that my bike had bounced off the hook at some point. Luckily there was no damage or anything, but I would personally strap my wheel to the hook to avoid that possibility next time.BrianLexington KY On Jun 10, 2024, at 10:03 PM, DTL  wrote:Even by non-rivendell standards 74 inches end to end isn't that big - a modern gravel bike barely fits (thinking 700c 40mm tires, 440mm chainstays) so add larger tires, or longer reach of a mountain bike and you're plum out of luck. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[DTL]

Even by non-rivendell standards 74 inches end to end isn't that big - a 
modern gravel bike barely fits (thinking 700c 40mm tires, 440mm chainstays) 
so add larger tires, or longer reach of a mountain bike and you're plum out 
of luck. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Melanie]

Leah,

I recently took my Roadeo on Amtrak from New York to Philadelphia. The 
conductors didn’t come after me with a measuring tape. The real issue is 
whether or not the Platy will fit in the vertical “bike closet” at the end 
of the car. You must remove the front wheel and hang the bike on a hook by 
the rear wheel. If it doesn’t fit that way you could ignore the hook and 
just put it in the space loose and it should fit. I found it rather a 
struggle. It’s just not a good system. Either way, you do risk cosmetic 
damage. 

Melanie 

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
> possible wind and heat issues...
>
>
> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>
> Have fun
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>> be much of a problem.
>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer 
>> time.  More power to him.
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 
>>>
>>> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
>>> drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
>>> my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state 
>>> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
>>> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, 
>>> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college 
>>> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>>>
>>> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
>>> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
>>> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
>>> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
>>> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
>>> Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
>>> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
>>> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
>>> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd 
>>> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
>>> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
>>> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a 
>>> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
>>> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
 too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
 are 
 rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
 would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
 the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
 know what the setup is inside the train cars. 

 If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
 know. 

 Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
 that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
 wheels with the 42mm tires!

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Ryan]

I did a fair bit of camping and self-supported touring in Manitoba with a 
small club in my mid-to-late 30sglad I had the experience because I 
never camped as a kid...including camping in some truly terrifying 
thunderstorms...maybe God protects children and fools...:( 

Later when I did 2-day rides for MS150 in my 60s I stayed in the motel then 
the very nice lakeside hotel in Gimli (Icelandic community) with absolutely 
no shame

I'm looking forward to hearing about your weekend...I'm sure you'll make a 
lot of new friends

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 7:02:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
> possible wind and heat issues...
>
>
> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>
> Have fun
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>> be much of a problem.
>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer 
>> time.  More power to him.
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 
>>>
>>> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
>>> drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
>>> my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state 
>>> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
>>> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, 
>>> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college 
>>> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>>>
>>> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
>>> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
>>> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
>>> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
>>> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
>>> Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
>>> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
>>> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
>>> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd 
>>> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
>>> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
>>> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a 
>>> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
>>> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
 too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
 are 
 rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
 would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
 the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
 know what the setup is inside the train cars. 

 If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
 know. 

 Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
 that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
 wheels with the 42mm tires!

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 﫣On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with possible wind and heat issues...Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?Have funOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll be much of a problem.Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer time.  More power to him.On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college physics study time. Yes, seriously.The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long Platy on board this one time for this one journey. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure you'll be just fine out there with it.On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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