Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 08:07:01 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, June 11, 2022 07:53:13 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 14:31:36 -0400 > > > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for > > > each minute of video ;-) > > > > I love this one! Can I plagiarize it? > > Sure. (I'm flattered :-) > > Someday I might try to claim credit for originating it (I'm a legend in my > own > mind ;-), , but for now, don't worry about attribution. > > If it spreads as a meme, and somehow contributes to better documentation > (everywhere), that would be wonderful. > > Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig. > > I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos (15 to > 60 > seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host") can be useful > in some cases. (Just tell me (either in written text or in the first 5 > seconds > what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe summarize or repeat in slow(er) > motion. I was very lucky in my youth to have two aunts who were teachers, then later I did some technical training myself. Learned a long time ago that you have to open stating WHAT you are going to teach, HOW you are going to teach it, and at every step the student has to know without any doubt exactly where s/he is in that process with a short review that gets longer. That said, I also had some other teachers that I NEVER forgot (I'm 78 so there were many): one of them (Communicaton Arts) began by saying "Today ladies and gentlemen you are going to learn the importance of brevity", he thereupon took of his specs, closed his binder, and walked out of the auditorium :- -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 07:53:13 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 14:31:36 -0400 > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for > > each minute of video ;-) > > I love this one! Can I plagiarize it? Sure. (I'm flattered :-) Someday I might try to claim credit for originating it (I'm a legend in my own mind ;-), , but for now, don't worry about attribution. If it spreads as a meme, and somehow contributes to better documentation (everywhere), that would be wonderful. Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig. I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos (15 to 60 seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host") can be useful in some cases. (Just tell me (either in written text or in the first 5 seconds what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe summarize or repeat in slow(er) motion. Have a good day! > 90% of the videos are poor resolution, often done by people who think that > the eyes of the world are on youtube and that sucking your teeth makes > good diction. Plus, frankly, the ground to cover is way beyond the > texto/video croud bandwidth. I'm all for good printable docs but things > are changing so fast that it has to be dynamic, somehow. > > If I might add another generalization, it's that we are often confronted > with skillfully erected tutorials that explain how to land on mars whereas > we first need to know how to reach escape velocity in earth orbit. For a > long time I kept getting thrown by the idea that rosegarden never could > make a sound on its own. Now I know that it needs fluidsynth and that to > use fluidsynh "I" need qsynth. What I get stuck on these days is more > likely to be qjackctl 'connections' which presume that users know how to > connect equivalent midi hardware. Well, wrong again, I don't have much > hardware either except my computer and a soundcard and have never seen how > a midi RealDevice gets connected to anything. > > 'nuff rant, cheers! ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On 12/06/2022 01:53, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 14:31:36 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for each minute of video ;-) I love this one! Can I plagiarize it? 90% of the videos are poor resolution, often done by people who think that the eyes of the world are on youtube and that sucking your teeth makes good diction. Plus, frankly, the ground to cover is way beyond the texto/video croud bandwidth. I'm all for good printable docs but things are changing so fast that it has to be dynamic, somehow. Lots of interesting input there and in the previous email.s Not that I think Rosegarden should do any 'marketing' but maybe a short (max 60 seconds?) video demoing the fact that 'rosegarden can make sound' and then some written tutorial including a link to 'Start making noise with Rosegarden' written intro. In general I think videos might work to get people curious into trying a software etc. As in my initial email I think that a written tutorial has the advantage of being easily update-able, possibly by multiple authors. I think having yoshimi as an addition to fluidsynth would be nice not only because I have personal liking for yoshimi, but also because (like Rosegarden), yoshimi is linux-only... Ideally this would be a not-too-long tutorial pointing to more detailed parts of the documentation in the Wiki. Now I know that it needs fluidsynth and that to use fluidsynh "I" need qsynth. Not necessarily for instance I have a general terminal script which will load a soundfont. From that I derived a bunch of scripts which load soundfonts I use more frequently. What I get stuck on these days is more likely to be qjackctl 'connections' which presume that users know how to connect equivalent midi hardware. Yes, the transposition of wired connections to an all digital (in the computer) is probably the most challenging concept especially for people coming from other systems where all audio software is monolithic and where even 'plug-ins' are within this kind of monolithic environment. Lorenzo ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 14:31:36 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for each > minute of video ;-) I love this one! Can I plagiarize it? 90% of the videos are poor resolution, often done by people who think that the eyes of the world are on youtube and that sucking your teeth makes good diction. Plus, frankly, the ground to cover is way beyond the texto/video croud bandwidth. I'm all for good printable docs but things are changing so fast that it has to be dynamic, somehow. If I might add another generalization, it's that we are often confronted with skillfully erected tutorials that explain how to land on mars whereas we first need to know how to reach escape velocity in earth orbit. For a long time I kept getting thrown by the idea that rosegarden never could make a sound on its own. Now I know that it needs fluidsynth and that to use fluidsynh "I" need qsynth. What I get stuck on these days is more likely to be qjackctl 'connections' which presume that users know how to connect equivalent midi hardware. Well, wrong again, I don't have much hardware either except my computer and a soundcard and have never seen how a midi RealDevice gets connected to anything. 'nuff rant, cheers! -- https://i.imgur.com/zbyIOzT.png ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 01:17:39 PM mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote: > On 6/11/22 9:39 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > It seems today videos are very popular, but I wonder if they can really > > help people get started? Would a short written 'how to make sound with > > Rosegarden' be better (also it could be updated versus a video which > > might become obsolete) > > Totally agree. I watch a lot of instructional videos and 90% of the time > end up going "I just wasted 20 minutes extracting 15 seconds of useful > information that could have been provided in a single paragraph of text." +1 > On the other hand, millenials won't look at anything except video memes > with flashy editing effects and snarky, post-ironic humor, so it depends > on who you're trying to target. ;) I think, shall I say "properly educated" millennials would find that they can profit faster from good text with a few pictures / sketches. To expand on someone's old saying: A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for each minute of video ;-) Sometimes a very short video can be helpful, but I mean a snippet of from maybe 15 to 60 seconds, introduced on the (web)page with some explanatory text and then just showing the thing that really can benefit from a video. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
Lorenzo Sutton writes: > It seems today videos are very popular, but I wonder if they can really > help people get started? Would a short written 'how to make sound with > Rosegarden' be better (also it could be updated versus a video which > might become obsolete) > i think written howtos are preferable most of the time too. sometimes the videos that are produced are very difficult to see and as mark puts it you go through 20m to extract 15s. i generally found the rg handbook useful, but a more elaborate faq with specific problems and solutions would be nice too. -- In friendship, prad ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On 6/11/22 9:39 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: It seems today videos are very popular, but I wonder if they can really help people get started? Would a short written 'how to make sound with Rosegarden' be better (also it could be updated versus a video which might become obsolete) Totally agree. I watch a lot of instructional videos and 90% of the time end up going "I just wasted 20 minutes extracting 15 seconds of useful information that could have been provided in a single paragraph of text." On the other hand, millenials won't look at anything except video memes with flashy editing effects and snarky, post-ironic humor, so it depends on who you're trying to target. ;) With the above it's actually pretty easy to start making noise with Rosegarden once the system is set-up ... Totally agree ... once the system is set up. Rosegarden is an unfortunately typical *NIX application, one that I looked at casually a few times over the course of a year each time going "No sound is coming out. Probably broken and buggy. Forget it." before finally breaking down and putting in the effort to get it configured and working. A simple popup at startup saying "No external sound source or internal plugin configured. Try or go to http://... for help" would be a big improvement. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On 08/06/2022 20:06, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:31:26 +0200 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: I'm wondering if, maybe after the next release, it would make sense to have some addendums to the current documentation which in some cases might be a bit dated, e.g. advising to use plugins, with especially DSSI not being the most maintained in distributions. Even the more 'current' formats like videos? I think this should be a user community effort and I always wondered if they'd be useful or not... I second that, but I also understand the devs' dilema i.e. to code or to explain? Well... I'm not a dev, and I've actually wondered what might be helpful in terms of documentation. It seems today videos are very popular, but I wonder if they can really help people get started? Would a short written 'how to make sound with Rosegarden' be better (also it could be updated versus a video which might become obsolete) How should we take into account Linux distribution ecosystem? Could we just say install at a minimum jack, qjackcrl, yoshimi, fluidsynth, a soundfont (fluid soundfont probably) and rosegarden. For how to do it check your distribution. I believe these exist on virtually all major distributions. With the above it's actually pretty easy to start making noise with Rosegarden once the system is set-up and this also applies to simply using e.g. a Laptop's integrated audio device (without going too much into low latency etc.). What especially non-linux users have to get used to is the modularity aspect. What other topics would be of interest? Carla can also work with Rosegarden, but one needs a2jmidid as an extra layer, plus I'm not sure how widespread Carla is in distributions. Then there's also jack-transport relevant topics, e.g. using rosegarden together with ardour or qmidiarp etc. Any ideas are welcome and I'd be happy to help (time (TM) permitting :-) ) Lorenzo ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
