Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-04 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Phillip Jones wrote:

[snipping the oldest part of the thread]






In version 1 (correct me if there are changes in v.2), I can
explicitly save a message as a draft, and it stays there
indefinitely until I take some explicit action like deleting or
sending it. Additionally, the program automatically saves the
message I'm currently composing as a draft every five minutes
(default, I can set a different interval), as a backup measure. So
if I take more than five minutes to compose, there's a backup copy
until I hit Send. If transmission succeeds, SM moves it to
Sent, otherwise it keeps it in Drafts and notifies me of the 
problem.



correct the way it supposed to work, Now templates whatever is there
is permanent until you remove it. when you send something you send a
copy not the original.


OK, you're probably technically right at the machine level, that a 
move is essentially a copy followed by a delete, but the user doesn't 
conceptualize it that way.



If I manually save a message as a draft more than once, I get a series
of drafts in the Drafts folder, and when I finally send it, only the
latest version is moved to Sent. I must delete the previous versions
manually. But autosaved drafts overwrite the previous version.


On Mac if you save as another Draft another copy is added with the exact 
same name just the date and time is different.


Yes, I think I said that.


In one case, I had a troublesome message in Drafts for several weeks
as I went back and forth over how to compose it. Eventually, I thought
better of it and deleted it. But SM never bothered it. It stayed put
just as if it were in any other folder.

As noted above, Send Unsent Messages does not affect the contents of
Drafts. It only looks in Unsent Messages (v.1) or Outbox (v.2).

The advantage of Templates is that if I open one, compose and send it,
the original stays put and I can reopen it and draft another message
based on that same template. Each modified version, when sent, is copied
to Sent, but the untouched original stays put.

And finally, messages saved in user-created folders stay put, too, until
the user moves or deletes them.


Where do you copy message that may need to be resent to newsgroups.


I dunno, I don't generally hem and haw over NG postings, and I hardly 
ever have to resend because they go through on the first try. But if a 
posting failed, I suppose SM would tell me and I could reattempt while 
the composition window was still open. I don't manually close the 
composition window while sending is in progress.


In previous SM and Mozilla You could have seamonkey copy a message and 
if it needed to be resent (problem at the newsgroup or whatever) you 
could go to that copy choose edit massage as new. then choose send and 
it would.


Yes, that makes sense. Normally I have SM set to copy sent messages to 
the Sent folder, and if I need to resend or forward them, that's where 
I look.


Now if you try a message comes up message was not sent, and something 
about  for email only and if you continued command will be ignored.


I don't follow, and I don't recognize this experience.


this is regardless if copied to email directory or to the Local
Directory.


I've never had anything in Local Folders, if that's what you mean, 
though I'm aware that other users do.


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-04 Thread Ray_Net

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

[snipping the oldest part of the thread]






In version 1 (correct me if there are changes in v.2), I can
explicitly save a message as a draft, and it stays there
indefinitely until I take some explicit action like deleting or
sending it. Additionally, the program automatically saves the
message I'm currently composing as a draft every five minutes
(default, I can set a different interval), as a backup measure. So
if I take more than five minutes to compose, there's a backup copy
until I hit Send. If transmission succeeds, SM moves it to
Sent, otherwise it keeps it in Drafts and notifies me of the 
problem.



correct the way it supposed to work, Now templates whatever is there
is permanent until you remove it. when you send something you send a
copy not the original.


OK, you're probably technically right at the machine level, that a 
move is essentially a copy followed by a delete, but the user doesn't 
conceptualize it that way.



If I manually save a message as a draft more than once, I get a series
of drafts in the Drafts folder, and when I finally send it, only the
latest version is moved to Sent. I must delete the previous versions
manually. But autosaved drafts overwrite the previous version.


On Mac if you save as another Draft another copy is added with the 
exact same name just the date and time is different.


Yes, I think I said that.


In one case, I had a troublesome message in Drafts for several weeks
as I went back and forth over how to compose it. Eventually, I thought
better of it and deleted it. But SM never bothered it. It stayed put
just as if it were in any other folder.

As noted above, Send Unsent Messages does not affect the contents of
Drafts. It only looks in Unsent Messages (v.1) or Outbox (v.2).

The advantage of Templates is that if I open one, compose and send it,
the original stays put and I can reopen it and draft another message
based on that same template. Each modified version, when sent, is copied
to Sent, but the untouched original stays put.

And finally, messages saved in user-created folders stay put, too, until
the user moves or deletes them.


Where do you copy message that may need to be resent to newsgroups.


I dunno, I don't generally hem and haw over NG postings, and I hardly 
ever have to resend because they go through on the first try. But if a 
posting failed, I suppose SM would tell me and I could reattempt while 
the composition window was still open. I don't manually close the 
composition window while sending is in progress.


In previous SM and Mozilla You could have seamonkey copy a message and 
if it needed to be resent (problem at the newsgroup or whatever) you 
could go to that copy choose edit massage as new. then choose send and 
it would.


Yes, that makes sense. Normally I have SM set to copy sent messages to 
the Sent folder, and if I need to resend or forward them, that's where 
I look.


Now if you try a message comes up message was not sent, and something 
about  for email only and if you continued command will be ignored.


I don't follow, and I don't recognize this experience.


this is regardless if copied to email directory or to the Local
Directory.


I've never had anything in Local Folders, if that's what you mean, 
though I'm aware that other users do.


I have tested thsi reply : The save action is done in the Draft folder 
of the Local folders  directory.

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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-03 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Phillip Jones wrote:

Martin Freitag wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this
something new for version 2.0?? It doesn't appear,
natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older) profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?

Drafts.


On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such
thing as Outbox, though that's an understandable description of
what Unsent Messages is.


Yeah, used to be unsent messages in my SM1.x too, it's outbox now
 (either because of SM2 or because it's due to my change to IMAP),
should be the same.


Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're
working on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in
Drafts will stay there.


cooorect :-)

Martin


Templates is the one where anything put in it stays in it.

Drafts is just that, it where you put your draft and then when you 
choose Edit Message as new and send it. it is sent and move to sent 
messages. It will stay as long as you do nothing with it . But once 
acted on its moved.


In version 1 (correct me if there are changes in v.2), I can explicitly 
save a message as a draft, and it stays there indefinitely until I take 
some explicit action like deleting or sending it. Additionally, the 
program automatically saves the message I'm currently composing as a 
draft every five minutes (default, I can set a different interval), as a 
backup measure. So if I take more than five minutes to compose, there's 
a backup copy until I hit Send. If transmission succeeds, SM moves it 
to Sent, otherwise it keeps it in Drafts and notifies me of the problem.


If I manually save a message as a draft more than once, I get a series 
of drafts in the Drafts folder, and when I finally send it, only the 
latest version is moved to Sent. I must delete the previous versions 
manually. But autosaved drafts overwrite the previous version.


In one case, I had a troublesome message in Drafts for several weeks 
as I went back and forth over how to compose it. Eventually, I thought 
better of it and deleted it. But SM never bothered it. It stayed put 
just as if it were in any other folder.


As noted above, Send Unsent Messages does not affect the contents of 
Drafts. It only looks in Unsent Messages (v.1) or Outbox (v.2).


The advantage of Templates is that if I open one, compose and send it, 
the original stays put and I can reopen it and draft another message 
based on that same template. Each modified version, when sent, is copied 
to Sent, but the untouched original stays put.


And finally, messages saved in user-created folders stay put, too, until 
the user moves or deletes them.


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-03 Thread Phillip Jones

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Martin Freitag wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this
something new for version 2.0?? It doesn't appear,
natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older) profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?

Drafts.


On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such
thing as Outbox, though that's an understandable description of
what Unsent Messages is.


Yeah, used to be unsent messages in my SM1.x too, it's outbox now
  (either because of SM2 or because it's due to my change to IMAP),
should be the same.


Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're
working on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in
Drafts will stay there.


cooorect :-)

Martin


Templates is the one where anything put in it stays in it.

Drafts is just that, it where you put your draft and then when you
choose Edit Message as new and send it. it is sent and move to sent
messages. It will stay as long as you do nothing with it . But once
acted on its moved.


In version 1 (correct me if there are changes in v.2), I can explicitly
save a message as a draft, and it stays there indefinitely until I take
some explicit action like deleting or sending it. Additionally, the
program automatically saves the message I'm currently composing as a
draft every five minutes (default, I can set a different interval), as a
backup measure. So if I take more than five minutes to compose, there's
a backup copy until I hit Send. If transmission succeeds, SM moves it
to Sent, otherwise it keeps it in Drafts and notifies me of the problem.

correct the way it supposed to work, Now templates whatever is there is 
permanent until you remove it. when you send something you send a copy 
not the original.

If I manually save a message as a draft more than once, I get a series
of drafts in the Drafts folder, and when I finally send it, only the
latest version is moved to Sent. I must delete the previous versions
manually. But autosaved drafts overwrite the previous version.


On Mac if you save as another Draft another copy is added with the exact 
same name just the date and time is different.


In one case, I had a troublesome message in Drafts for several weeks
as I went back and forth over how to compose it. Eventually, I thought
better of it and deleted it. But SM never bothered it. It stayed put
just as if it were in any other folder.

As noted above, Send Unsent Messages does not affect the contents of
Drafts. It only looks in Unsent Messages (v.1) or Outbox (v.2).

The advantage of Templates is that if I open one, compose and send it,
the original stays put and I can reopen it and draft another message
based on that same template. Each modified version, when sent, is copied
to Sent, but the untouched original stays put.

And finally, messages saved in user-created folders stay put, too, until
the user moves or deletes them.



Where do you copy message that may need to be resent to newsgroups.

In previous SM and Mozilla You could have seamonkey copy a message and 
if it needed to be resent (problem at the newsgroup or whatever) you 
could go to that copy choose edit massage as new. then choose send and 
it would.
 Now if you try a message comes up message was not sent, and something 
about  for email only and if you continued command will be ignored.


this is regardless if copied to email directory or to the Local Directory.
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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-01 Thread Daniel

Martin Freitag wrote:

Daniel schrieb:

Ant wrote:

Hi!

Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail
accounts and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own
outbox that I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox.
There are no outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to
change this. I didn't have this issue in v1.1.18.

Thank you in advance. :)


Sorry, Ant, where do you get outbox from???

Sent Mail should get posted to your mail accounts Sent folder.


The outbox is the folder of unsent messages which are proposed to be 
sent later...

regards

Martin


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from???  Is this something new 
for version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and 
older) profile!!


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-01 Thread Ant

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for
version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older)
profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?
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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-01 Thread Phillip Jones

Ant wrote:

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for
version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older)
profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?

Drafts.

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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-01 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for
version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older)
profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?

Drafts.


On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such thing as 
Outbox, though that's an understandable description of what Unsent 
Messages is.


Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're working 
on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in Drafts will stay 
there.


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Freitag

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new
for
version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older)
profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?

Drafts.


On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such thing as
Outbox, though that's an understandable description of what Unsent
Messages is.



Yeah, used to be unsent messages in my SM1.x too, it's outbox now 
(either because of SM2 or because it's due to my change to IMAP), should 
be the same.




Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're working
on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in Drafts will stay
there.


cooorect :-)

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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-01 Thread Phillip Jones

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new for
version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older)
profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?

Drafts.


On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such thing as
Outbox, though that's an understandable description of what Unsent
Messages is.

Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're working
on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in Drafts will stay
there.



on Mac there is no unsent messages even in Local directory.
There evidently is an outbox in SM2. There never was such as thing in 
the Mac version SM 1.1.x .


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-12-01 Thread Phillip Jones

Martin Freitag wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 12/1/2009 2:40 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Sorry, Martin, where do you get outbox from??? Is this something new
for
version 2.0?? It doesn't appear, natively, in my SM 1.1.15 (and older)
profile!!


When you use Send Later, where does it go?

Drafts.


On my system, it's always gone to Unsent Messages. No such thing as
Outbox, though that's an understandable description of what Unsent
Messages is.



Yeah, used to be unsent messages in my SM1.x too, it's outbox now
(either because of SM2 or because it's due to my change to IMAP), should
be the same.



Drafts is just a temporary holding area for messages you're working
on. If you do File | Send Unsent Messages, anything in Drafts will stay
there.


cooorect :-)

Martin


Templates is the one where anything put in it stays in it.

Drafts is just that, it where you put your draft and then when you 
choose Edit Message as new and send it. it is sent and move to sent 
messages. It will stay as long as you do nothing with it . But once 
acted on its moved.


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-28 Thread Daniel

Ant wrote:

Hi!

Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail accounts 
and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own outbox that 
I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox. There are no 
outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to change this. I 
didn't have this issue in v1.1.18.


Thank you in advance. :)


Sorry, Ant, where do you get outbox from???

Sent Mail should get posted to your mail accounts Sent folder.

If your asking about posts to NG's, that is set in the Copies  
Folders screen of the news account on Edit|MailNewsgroup Account Settings.


HTH

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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-28 Thread Phillip Jones

Daniel wrote:

Ant wrote:

Hi!

Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail accounts
and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own outbox that
I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox. There are no
outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to change this. I
didn't have this issue in v1.1.18.

Thank you in advance. :)


Sorry, Ant, where do you get outbox from???

Sent Mail should get posted to your mail accounts Sent folder.

If your asking about posts to NG's, that is set in the Copies
Folders screen of the news account on Edit|MailNewsgroup Account Settings.

HTH

Daniel
In the past You use to be able resend a message in the news by going to 
sent folder and do edit as new. Then simple click send now I receive 
message to the affect: this account is for email only, if you continue 
newsgroup message will be ignored. How you resend to a newsgroup?


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-28 Thread Ant

On 11/28/2009 1:17 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Ant wrote:

Hi!

Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail
accounts and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own
outbox that I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox.
There are no outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to
change this. I didn't have this issue in v1.1.18.

Thank you in advance. :)


Sorry, Ant, where do you get outbox from???

Sent Mail should get posted to your mail accounts Sent folder.

If your asking about posts to NG's, that is set in the Copies 
Folders screen of the news account on Edit|MailNewsgroup Account
Settings.


Daniel, screen shots would help you: 
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7241/screenshotx.gif ... Using Send 
Later for e-mails go to Local Folders area. I want it to go to my 
EarthLink area.

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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-28 Thread Martin Freitag

Daniel schrieb:

Ant wrote:

Hi!

Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail
accounts and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own
outbox that I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox.
There are no outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to
change this. I didn't have this issue in v1.1.18.

Thank you in advance. :)


Sorry, Ant, where do you get outbox from???

Sent Mail should get posted to your mail accounts Sent folder.


The outbox is the folder of unsent messages which are proposed to be 
sent later...

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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-28 Thread Leonidas Jones

Ant wrote:

On 11/28/2009 1:17 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Ant wrote:

Hi!

Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail
accounts and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own
outbox that I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox.
There are no outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to
change this. I didn't have this issue in v1.1.18.

Thank you in advance. :)


Sorry, Ant, where do you get outbox from???

Sent Mail should get posted to your mail accounts Sent folder.

If your asking about posts to NG's, that is set in the Copies 
Folders screen of the news account on Edit|MailNewsgroup Account
Settings.


Daniel, screen shots would help you:
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7241/screenshotx.gif ... Using Send
Later for e-mails go to Local Folders area. I want it to go to my
EarthLink area.


There is a place in account settings to set a location for sent, drafts, 
archives and templates, but nothing for send later.


In about config, there is:

mail.default_sendlater_uri

I suppose you could modify that path, but even if you were successful, 
that would send send later messages from all accounts to that 
location, which, I suspect, would be worse then what is there now.


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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-28 Thread Ant

On 11/28/2009 2:03 PM PT, Leonidas Jones typed:


There is a place in account settings to set a location for sent, drafts,
archives and templates, but nothing for send later.

In about config, there is:

mail.default_sendlater_uri

I suppose you could modify that path, but even if you were successful,
that would send send later messages from all accounts to that
location, which, I suspect, would be worse then what is there now.


Interesting. What would I change it to? Not sure how the formatting 
works. I see: mailbox://nob...@local%20folders/Unsent%20Messages ...

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Re: Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-28 Thread Leonidas Jones

Ant wrote:

On 11/28/2009 2:03 PM PT, Leonidas Jones typed:


There is a place in account settings to set a location for sent, drafts,
archives and templates, but nothing for send later.

In about config, there is:

mail.default_sendlater_uri

I suppose you could modify that path, but even if you were successful,
that would send send later messages from all accounts to that
location, which, I suspect, would be worse then what is there now.


Interesting. What would I change it to? Not sure how the formatting
works. I see: mailbox://nob...@local%20folders/Unsent%20Messages ...


I don't advise changing it, then again, I am perfectly happy with the 
Outbox in Local Folders.


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Sending e-mail later in outbox in SM2.0...

2009-11-27 Thread Ant

Hi!

Does outbox always go in Local Folders? I use various e-mail accounts 
and servers. I'd like to have it each account use their own outbox that 
I send later. They all ended up in Local Folder's outbox. There are no 
outbox settings I see in preferences and accounts to change this. I 
didn't have this issue in v1.1.18.


Thank you in advance. :)
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