[Tagging] Fwd: tag for cel phone credit selling places?

[Severin MENARD]

Hi,

Coming from mapping in Mongolia in Downtown Ulaanbaatar. There a lot of
convenient stores sometimes also sell cellphone credits on scratch-off
cards. In other countries it is sold by brand staff in the streets (through
scratch-off or by running a USSD from their phone) but here it is a
permanent, physical location.

Sincerely,

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[Tagging] tag for co-working spaces

[Severin MENARD]

Hi,

Seems this  does not exist yet.
Here is the taginfo situation
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=working_space#values

What about a office=co_working_space or office=co-working_space?


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[Tagging] Tag for archbishopric?

[Severin MENARD]

Hi,

Is there a tag for archbishopric or archbishop's palace? And beyond, for
any tag related to religious administrative offices?

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

[Severin MENARD]

Hi,

I confirm shop that sell lottery tickets are very common in some countries,
eg in Haiti. I uploaded one of my personal photo:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Lottery_haiti_bolet.JPG

I put as a caption:
This picture shows a lottery shop in Haiti, called "bolet". This kind of
shop only proposes lottery. Even if some of them have a "Bank" mention
(like this one), they are not banks, only lotteries.

Sincerely,

Severin



> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:39:02 +
> From: Matthijs Melissen 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling
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> Yes, I agree. The images I linked to are not under an open license of
> course, but I will ask the Spanish community if someone could take a
> picture. Would any of the Germans on this list perhaps be able to make
> a picture of a Lottoladen, prefarable a picture that both shows that
> it is called 'Lotto' and that it does sell a lot of things beside
> lottery tickets?
>
> -- Matthijs
>
> On 1 December 2013 14:20, Peter Wendorff 
> wrote:
> > Thanks for these examples.
> > Probably something like that should be added to the proosal for
> > documentation and further classification.
> >
> > The proposal is very verbose with text, but hasn't much examples and
> > images for clarifications.
> > Adding something like the Images you linked to would be a benefit for
> > the mappers later, but adding counter examples would be, too (like a
> > German "Lottoladen" with a matching tagging that differs from
> shop=lottery).
> >
> > regards
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Am 01.12.2013 14:06, schrieb Matthijs Melissen:
> >> On 1 December 2013 09:47, Martin Koppenhoefer 
> wrote:
> >>> The only thing a little strange might be shop=lottery for shops whose
> "main
> >>> purpose" is selling lottery tickets. Maybe I simply have never lived
> in an
> >>> area where those exist, but really, I cannot recall of having ever
> seen a
> >>> shop like this. IMHO this would better be an attribute (for shops and
> >>> similar that sell, beside other stuff, also lottery tickets).
> >>
> >> The tag shop=lottery is currently mainly used in Spain and Latin
> >> America, so I suppose these are the regions where such shops exist.
> >> They look like this:
> >>
> >> Brazil:
> http://allexmoreira.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/grande-inauduracao-da-loterica-trevo-da.html
> >> Spain: http://www.azarplus.com/fotos/noticias_fotocabecera_1713.jpg
> >> Argentina:
> http://www.diarioepoca.com/notix2/multimedia/imagenes/fotos/2012-09-26/710194.jpg
> >>
> >> As you can see, they are very different from German 'Lottoladen'.
> >>
> >> -- Matthijs
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[Tagging] Fitness centers

[Severin MENARD]

Hi,

Just discovering how fitness is an "incosistent mess"according to this
wikipage: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fitness_centre

Quite surprising considering fitness centers are really easy to identify
amenities, becoming more and more frequent all around the world.

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[Tagging] Tag for shops proposing personalized plates?

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

I have been looking for an existing tag for these specific shops that are
not copyshops, but propose only personalized mural plates (eg for office in
the building entrance). Any idea?

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[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? Currently mapping in the
field in rural areas in Malawi, we sometimes have the possibility to get
the pens' extent, sometimes not, so they may be drawn either as nodes (so
the landuse key does not fit)  or closedways. I can send pictures if this
helps.

Sincere,

Severin
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[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens

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>
> Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard:
> > How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards?
> barrier = fence
> And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing...
>

Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is
inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are
for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the
same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in
taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned
animals.

Regarding the temporary aspect, it is permanent as anything can be
permanent there when the houses are made of traditional materials (straw,
mud or non heated bricks) and last only a few years, when they are not
regularly wiped out when flooding (I am mapping in flood prone areas).

Sincerely,

Severin

>
>
>
>
> --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:50:17 -0400
> From: Bryan Housel 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?
> Message-ID: <5fa26a84-0a46-4d89-906b-06de69ec6...@7thposition.com>
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> So I have some thoughts on smoothness…
>
> It’s not a terrible tag.  I think if we just replace “usable by” with
> “suitable for” on the wiki, it would be a bit better.  We all know that
> it’s certainly *possible* to take a road bike or inline skates down a pile
> of rocks, (I do it myself too).  That doesn’t mean the map should suggest a
> person actually try it just because we insist on sticking to a very
> *literal* definition of “usable by".  Try to think of people with
> wheelchairs, strollers, little kids on a bike with training wheels, etc.
>
> The text descriptions make sense to me.  The pictures can be improved, and
> I’m happy to help with that — I have good pictures of all the different
> smoothness types.   How should I proceed with this, just make the change?
>
> Thanks, Bryan
>
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Pieren  wrote:
>
> > First, most of the people using presets (JOSM or ID) don't read the
> > wiki. Tags have to be self-explanatory as much as possible.
> > And even if you explain that "smoothness=excellent" is for roller
> > blade, I know skaters that could use "smoothness=good" ways easily.
> > And I'm still waiting some clarifications between "very_bad" and
> > "horrible"... We also had long discussions about reducing/simplifying
> > the list of values...
> > I would also like to see at least one application using it, if any.
> >
> >> I am not really happy about it, but I was unable to invent something
> better and it
> >> not as bad as say maxspeed:practical.
> > Do we have to choose between bad and worse ?
> > As already mentionned, the skater, biker or car driver will have a
> > totally different idea/view of what a "good" or "bad" smoothness is
> > for his means of transport.
> >
> > Pieren
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> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:27:43 +0200
> From: fly 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*
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> Am 24.08.2014 17:10, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann:
> > On 24.08.2014 13:31, Christian Quest wrote:
> >> In that case, how should application resolve housenumbers ?
> >> What tagging do you propose to allow it ?
> >
> > I wrote down some thoughts here:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses
> > ...although I do now prefer addr2:* instead of addr[2]:*, because the
> former
> > is more widely used and easier to understand.
>
> The easiest way for me still seems to place two nodes each with one
> address with in the building polygon (or on its perimeter with entrance=*)
>
>
> > Concerning number ranges, I think that they should be mapped as they are
> > (i.e. ranges), because that's how they are used in the real world (number
> > plates, addresses in letters, etc.).
>
> Well, I had a closer look at my city and found all combinations:
>
> 1. two separate buildings with one entrance in common.
> 2. one housenumber as range (probabl

[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Thanks for providing these links. My comments inline below.

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:00:00 +0200
> From: Martin Vonwald 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
> Message-ID:
>  
> tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>Re: Tag for livestocks pens (Martin Vonwald)
>
>
> >> Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard:
> >> > How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards?
> >> barrier = fence
> >> And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary
> thing...
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what
> > is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those
> ones
> > are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not
> the
> > same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence
> in
> > taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned
> > animals.
> >
>
> This should help:
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=animal_keeping
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping
>
> Best regards,
> Martin
>

Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we
cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them
remains important), what would lead to just put a node, but this is
incompatible with the landuse key. And I do not feel logical to draw a
polygon that does not represent the reality. I am wondering if for a node
we could not use the combination of:
animal_keeping=yes (or animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested
animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested

and if a polygon is doable:
barrier=fence
landuse=animal_keeping
animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested
animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested

What do you think?

Sincerely,

Severin

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[Tagging] Shop for watches

[Severin Menard]

HI,

I did not find anything on the Map Features regarding shop selling watches,
what is quite common both in Europe and South America (at least). Most of
them arenot  shop=watch does not have a high occurrence in Taginfo:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=watch#values
Did I miss something?

Sincerely,

Severin
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[Tagging] Buildings blocks

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

I would like to know if putting building blocks in OSM should be avoided in
all cases. I am currently teaching GIS students in Dakar that have ben
required to digitize only building blocks on their area of study. Could
this been done on OSM (and in that case how to tag it, as for
landuse=residential encompass all the areas covered by building blocks and
streets?) or always avoided? I did not find the answer in the wiki.

Sincerely,

Severin
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[Tagging] Money transfer amenities

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

In Africa, a frequent amenity in icties and towns focus on money transfer.
It can be banks abut also specific amenities (called "multi-services" in
Senegal). THe number of money transfer services is often high, as you see
on this picture
,
on the right side of the door (Western Union, Moneygram, Orange, Wari, Ria,
Money Express, Joni Joni).
There is a proposed tag amenity=money_transfer that is not used a lot (162
occurrences) that IMHO perfectly fits.
Related tags could be:

money_transfer:western_union=yes
money_transfer:moneygram=yes

etc.

Thoughts?

Sincerely,

Severin
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[Tagging] Amenities for kids parties

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Downtown cities in Brazil often provide places taht can be rent to organize
parties for kids with different games. Here are a few sites providing
pictures to give you an idea: http://www.playland.com.br/atracoes/ or
http://www.clubedacrianca.com.br/?a=Diversao

Would leisure=kids_parties fit?

Sincerely,

Severin
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[Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Is there a way to tag properly buildings mixing residential and commercial
uses (typically shops on the basement opening on the street)?
Building=commercial is defined as "A building where non-specific commercial
activities take place", that does not describe what are the other
activities taking place.
This specific type of building is mixing commercial and residential
activities is very common and would thus really deserve to be clearly
mapped. ANy siggestion?

Sincerely,

Severin
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[Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

is there a tag for places that are specifically for rent to organize social
events, private or public (parties, birthdays, etc.)? In Brazil they have a
name (ex Casa do Sol) with an indication for their use (casa de eventos,
literally house of events).

Sincerely,

Severin
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[Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

It seems indeed to fit perfectly, thanks! Unfortunately, it is not listed
neither in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity nor in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features and shows up only at 20th
place if "events" if searched on the wiki (with event it is beyond the
first page of answers).
I am wondering how many tags may be hidden this way.

Sincerely,

Severin


Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 07:21:20 +0900
> From: John Willis 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events
> Message-ID: <66a7d71a-c128-4384-8104-63bc2fb79...@mac.com>
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>
>
> > On Feb 15, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> >
> > see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue
>
> +1
>
> I think that is the tag created just for that situation.
>
>
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[Tagging] Creation of the tagging-fr list

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

This email to inform you about the creation of the tagging-fr OSM mailing
list for the discussions about tagging between French speaking people,
facilitating the exchanges on that topic for all those that are more French
than English speaker and allowing, at last, the contribution from the
mappers that are not much or not at all English speakers (or rather
writers).

Of course, these discussions about tagging in French will be about OSM tags
in English. And once a discussion will come to what seems a meaningful
proposition, it will be brought to the broader tagging list. It aims at
providing a better contribution regarding the OSM tagging from French
speakers, about the various, specific French contexts in the world but also
about the generic tags.

Surprisingly, it seems this is the first tagging list dedicated to a
specific language community. We will see if others are keen on following
the same path.

Severin
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[Tagging] shop=fashion

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

IMHO, I would drop shop=boutique because it is one of the most confusing
tag, especially in French-speaking contexts.

Basically in French from France, boutique is a generic word meaning shop.
More than what it sells, it designates the place, generally not very large
("magasin" would then more used). A French butcher tells to his/her family
after the breakfast: "Have a good day everyonem, I will open the boutique
now". We have an expression for "boutique de" (literally shop of)
something, that can be used for clothes from which I guess derivates the
shop=boutique concept. Is it only in the Anglo-sphere that the word
boutique means this or also in other cultural contexts? Eg in Brazil as far
as I know people do not use boutique, while they are quite fond of French
words (like maison meaning house) for shops that want to be considered as
"chique".

In French-speaking African countries, this generic word is massively used
for the most generic shop by far: a small convenience store, selling food
and non food items all over the walls, up to the ceiling, where you ask at
a desk what you want. This makes it a kind of kiosk, even if many are not
separate shops but taking one part of the basement of a building. And they
are not chic at all. And they are very, very numerous: in a large city you
find one every 50 or 100 meters. For sure there are more African boutiques
in the world than the boutiques of hand-made fashion clothes. Of course,
new African contributors in these countries logically use shop=boutique for
their own cultural reality so some streets in Africa are full of
false-cognates.

So IMHO I would tag these fashionable shop the most generic way as
possible, not reflecting only one specific cultural context and avoiding
using boutique. I think a subtag to differentiate ready-to-wear and
hand-made would fit. What do you think?

Sincerely,

Severin


Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:42:38 +1000
> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion
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> Hi
>
> Just consulted with an authority in these matters - my wife! :-)
>
> Her take:
>
> shop=clothes is chain stores (ie same shop in multiple shopping centres /
> towns) aimed at lower-middle end of the market
>
> shop=fashion is middle - higher end, but still chain stores
>
> shop=boutique is "one-off" shops eg selling hand-made rather than
> mass-produced clothes; niche / speciality items etc
>
> Hope that helps?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
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[Tagging] shop=fashion

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> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 05:35:14 +0200
> From: Marc Gemis 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion
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> Yeah, but in Australia they do not use "boutique" to refer to any shop
> neither. Still people think it should be removed for this reason.
>
> Tagging is done in British-English, if the word used in the tagging
> means something else in your language, too bad.


I personally totally disagree with this opinion. You are confusing
signifier and signified. We all use English (I would not say the British
one, as soccer is an existing value, despite football has been created in
UK) because it is the current lingua franca. But we cannot map the whole
world with tagging concepts related only to the UK context. We need to be
firstly generic.

You have to make sure that the editors have a proper translation for the
> tag in your
> language.
>
> Furthermore tagging is open. People should be able to use the word
> they feel describes the feature the best. Preferably they should
> document the value as good as possible. But there should not be a
> committee of X people saying, we do not understand the difference,
> let's get rid of it.
>
> regards
>
> m
>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

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> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:48:25 +0200
> From: Jean-Marc Liotier 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique
> Message-ID: <20170901124825.76716...@manantali.encara.local.ads>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I still don't understand the need for anything other than shop=clothes
> used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see
> why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as
> they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an attitude.
>
> shop=car covers both the average Volskwagen dealership and the workshop
> that sells handmade locally built overpriced exotics with golden urinal
> that you never heard of. Why should it be different for clothes ?
>

+1
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