[GTALUG] Comparison of source code hosting

[David Thornton via talk]

The wiki treatment... lots of data

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_source_code_hosting_facilities?wprov=sfla1

David Thornton @northdot9 https://www.quadratic.net
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Re: [GTALUG] Which JavaScript should I learn?

[Clifford Ilkay via talk]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:16 AM, William Park via talk 
wrote:

> Hi all, (If you're on KWLUG list, sorry for duplicate.)
>
> I have a general question about JavaScript.  I want to develop/propose
> "web app" hosted from embedded Linux board.  So,
> - you go to its webpage,
> - click "web app",
> - it will serve out JavaScript to browser client, and
> - the app will be running on the browser.
>
> Which Javascript should I learn?
>
> I mean, there are Meteor, Angular, React, Ember, Vue, etc.  Some are
> described as "framework", and others described as "library".  Then,
> there is Web Assembly I've been reading about recently.  It's difficult
> to figure out what's what.


If you don't know JavaScript already, don't start by attempting to learn
one of the frameworks or libraries. Learn plain JavaScript first. Unless
you intend to use Rust, C, or C++ to write your code, you can ignore
WebAssembly for now.

Meteor - I've ignored it because at the time I was looking, they used their
own packaging mechanism instead of Node packages and the only database they
supported was MongoDB. MongoDB is not likely a good fit for an embedded
Linux board.

Angular - which one? AngularJS, which is pre version 2x of Angular, is a
completely different beast than Angular 2x and on. We use AngularJS on a
project and it works well for us but the decision to use it was made in
2013/2014. I would not make the same decision today. AngularJS and Angular
are popular in the "enterprise" space.

Ember - if you like the rigid way it does things, it might be OK. I didn't
like it and it seemed like it didn't really solve problems I couldn't solve
with much more popular frameworks in better languages, like Django.

Vue - it's popular with the Laravel PHP crowd. It reminds me of Angular in
some ways. Meh...

React - I'd pick this for the front end today if I wanted to stick with
JavaScript because it's tremendously popular and there are a wealth of
resources available. That you can write once and deploy to the web,
natively to iOS and Android using ReactXP <
https://microsoft.github.io/reactxp/> is a big win. The React license was
problematic but Facebook saw the error of its ways and changed the license
to an MIT license.

You'll still need some sort of server, which doesn't necessarily have to be
written in JavaScript. If you want to use the same language both on the
frontend and backend, I really like Feathers  with
React.

Of course what you want to accomplish can be done with languages that
transpile to JavaScript, too. See: <
https://github.com/jashkenas/coffeescript/wiki/list-of-languages-that-compile-to-js
>

I've mentioned Dart and Flutter before. I've been playing with it and like
it.

Regards,

Clifford Ilkay

+1 647-778-8696
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Re: [GTALUG] Hello and GnuPG/PGP key signing parties

[Rouben via talk]

Regrettably I must also bow out - family emergency. Let’s try next meeting.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 17:14 Antonio Sun via talk  wrote:

> Sorry, I noticed this message just now. -- I was the one who expressed
> the interest of getting the key signed before.
>
> So *bring paper copies **of our signatures* to enable exchange is the
> only thing need to get my key signed?  -- I'm asking because if I come to
> today's meeting, I have to get back home now, to grab my laptop (if that
> paper copy is not enough and I also need to sign other people's key as
> well), then head back downtown again. and I'm not too sure if my GPG key is
> secure enough to be used & signed by other people. -- I.e., I was planning
> to review it once I confirm a key signing date.
>
> Can we host the key signing party in the next meeting please?
>
> because going through the message trail, I did find one more person
> requesting to be on the next meeting,
>
>  I should be able to attend the April 10th meeting though.
>
>
> OK? Thx.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Christopher Browne via talk -
> talk@gtalug.org wrote:
>
>> On 9 March 2018 at 20:56, Rouben via talk  wrote:
>> > Hello everyone!
>> >
>> > I’m a newbie to this list. The name is Rouben Tchakhmakhtchian; I’ve
>> been a
>> > Linux user since about 1998 (dabbled with it a bit before that). I’m
>> > currently working at UofT in IT, and am still a die-hard open source
>> > enthusiast.
>> >
>> > I was wondering, does the GTALUG community still organize GPG key
>> signing
>> > events? If not, I would also like to know how much interest there would
>> be
>> > in such an event.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance, and my apologies if this is an FAQ type post. I’d be
>> > happy to RTFM if you kindly point me in the right direction. :)
>> >
>> > Cheers and have a great weekend!
>>
>> It's not something that happens terribly frequently; a lot of people have
>> over the years gotten their favoured keys signed, so there's not a
>> continuous call for more.
>>
>> That said, someone did send out a note a couple or three weeks ago
>> expressing interest, and it's certainly something that we could take a
>> little while discussing and doing at our next meeting this coming
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> People interested in getting keys signed should bring paper copies
>> of their signatures to enable exchange.
>>
>> It may also be worth visiting BigLumber.com that collects keys of
>> people interested in doing key exchanges.
>>
>> http://biglumber.com/x/web?sl=97
>>
>> Some of the material there is pretty old, but I recognize some likely
>> names...
>>
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>> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
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Re: [GTALUG] Which JavaScript should I learn?

[Myles Braithwaite  via talk]

On 2018-03-13 02:16, William Park via talk wrote:

Hi all, (If you're on KWLUG list, sorry for duplicate.)

I have a general question about JavaScript.  I want to develop/propose
"web app" hosted from embedded Linux board.  So,
- you go to its webpage,
- click "web app",
- it will serve out JavaScript to browser client, and
- the app will be running on the browser.

Which Javascript should I learn?

I mean, there are Meteor, Angular, React, Ember, Vue, etc.  Some are
described as "framework", and others described as "library".  Then,
there is Web Assembly I've been reading about recently.  It's difficult
to figure out what's what.


Vue.js is awesome, easy to use, and simple.
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Re: [GTALUG] Which JavaScript should I learn?

[Antonio Sun via talk]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:41 AM, ted leslie via talk - talk@gtalug.org
wrote:

> Depends on what app is...
>

Agree, and if you don't know which of the gazillions to choose from, start
with the most popular one, which is,

NodeJS + ES6,

then add more if required, (e.g., React).

Just that, whatever you choose, don't go anywhere near that "popular"
Typescript. See the recent blog on it --
https://blog.chatie.io/2018/03/09/can-typescript-really-live-up-to-its-hype.html,
and make your own decision.

PS. If you especially want the app will be running on the browser, then
most probably you'll be looking at Angular. I personally don't like Angular
though, for no reason one could say, or for all the reasons that others
blogged about it. If I'm to recommend one alternative, check out the dart
and flutter at the end of that  recent blog.



> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:16 AM, William Park via talk 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, (If you're on KWLUG list, sorry for duplicate.)
>>
>> I have a general question about JavaScript.  I want to develop/propose
>> "web app" hosted from embedded Linux board.  So,
>> - you go to its webpage,
>> - click "web app",
>> - it will serve out JavaScript to browser client, and
>> - the app will be running on the browser.
>>
>> Which Javascript should I learn?
>>
>> I mean, there are Meteor, Angular, React, Ember, Vue, etc.  Some are
>> described as "framework", and others described as "library".  Then,
>> there is Web Assembly I've been reading about recently.  It's difficult
>> to figure out what's what.
>> --
>> William Park 
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Re: [GTALUG] Hello and GnuPG/PGP key signing parties

[tlugys.ats--- via talk]

Sorry, I noticed this message just now. -- I was the one who expressed the
interest of getting the key signed before.

So *bring paper copies **of our signatures* to enable exchange is the only
thing need to get my key signed?  -- I'm asking because if I come to
today's meeting, I have to get back home now, to grab my laptop (if that
paper copy is not enough and I also need to sign other people's key as
well), then head back downtown again. and I'm not too sure if my GPG key is
secure enough to be used & signed by other people. -- I.e., I was planning
to review it once I confirm a key signing date.

Can we host the key signing party in the next meeting please?

because going through the message trail, I did find one more person
requesting to be on the next meeting,

 I should be able to attend the April 10th meeting though.


OK? Thx.



On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Christopher Browne via talk -
talk@gtalug.org wrote:

> On 9 March 2018 at 20:56, Rouben via talk  wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > I’m a newbie to this list. The name is Rouben Tchakhmakhtchian; I’ve
> been a
> > Linux user since about 1998 (dabbled with it a bit before that). I’m
> > currently working at UofT in IT, and am still a die-hard open source
> > enthusiast.
> >
> > I was wondering, does the GTALUG community still organize GPG key signing
> > events? If not, I would also like to know how much interest there would
> be
> > in such an event.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, and my apologies if this is an FAQ type post. I’d be
> > happy to RTFM if you kindly point me in the right direction. :)
> >
> > Cheers and have a great weekend!
>
> It's not something that happens terribly frequently; a lot of people have
> over the years gotten their favoured keys signed, so there's not a
> continuous call for more.
>
> That said, someone did send out a note a couple or three weeks ago
> expressing interest, and it's certainly something that we could take a
> little while discussing and doing at our next meeting this coming
> Tuesday.
>
> People interested in getting keys signed should bring paper copies
> of their signatures to enable exchange.
>
> It may also be worth visiting BigLumber.com that collects keys of
> people interested in doing key exchanges.
>
> http://biglumber.com/x/web?sl=97
>
> Some of the material there is pretty old, but I recognize some likely
> names...
> --
> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
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[GTALUG] Dinner plans before tonight's meeting

[Christopher Browne via talk]

I'll be heading to Kabul Express which is just around the corner from the
George Vari building
https://wiki.gtalug.org/pre-meeting_dinner#kabul_express



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Re: [GTALUG] Which JavaScript should I learn?

[ted leslie via talk]

Depends on what app is. Depend on if the library works (or is easy to get
working)
on Arm (if that is what your embedded is), as well as available ram and
flash.
Some of these you mentioned have dependencies as well that have to be
assessed for
Arm and embedded size. Another oddity is some time you have to build your
own libs
for the embedded, and then it has a certain system, and that has
restrictions on
your gcc version, etc.
So first you have to establish what your platform is and resources, and
domain of
your app, then look at candidates based on domain, and then check them for
build(ability)
to your platform.(and their deps).
You may find, for example wt+cpp could work well (if you wanted to do web
app in c++).
You may want to look at web app projects for ras-pie or other embedded
boards and
see what is popular, but again keeping in mind your projects domain.
-tl

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:16 AM, William Park via talk 
wrote:

> Hi all, (If you're on KWLUG list, sorry for duplicate.)
>
> I have a general question about JavaScript.  I want to develop/propose
> "web app" hosted from embedded Linux board.  So,
> - you go to its webpage,
> - click "web app",
> - it will serve out JavaScript to browser client, and
> - the app will be running on the browser.
>
> Which Javascript should I learn?
>
> I mean, there are Meteor, Angular, React, Ember, Vue, etc.  Some are
> described as "framework", and others described as "library".  Then,
> there is Web Assembly I've been reading about recently.  It's difficult
> to figure out what's what.
> --
> William Park 
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[GTALUG] Which JavaScript should I learn?

[William Park via talk]

Hi all, (If you're on KWLUG list, sorry for duplicate.)

I have a general question about JavaScript.  I want to develop/propose
"web app" hosted from embedded Linux board.  So, 
- you go to its webpage,
- click "web app",
- it will serve out JavaScript to browser client, and 
- the app will be running on the browser.

Which Javascript should I learn?

I mean, there are Meteor, Angular, React, Ember, Vue, etc.  Some are
described as "framework", and others described as "library".  Then,
there is Web Assembly I've been reading about recently.  It's difficult
to figure out what's what.
-- 
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