Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
On 14/12/11 14:10, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote: We use Redhat on some of our systems and do exactly what Symeon says. We get support for the first year and then drop it once the system is stable. In the case of Domino, the IBM support people answer Redhat questions as well. On less critical systems Ubuntu works well. You can buy Ubuntu support just like Redhat. The point of Open Source, though, isn't that it doesn't cost anything. The point is that you are not beholden to the whims of another company. What would you do if Rocket went bust and UV/UD just disappeared as a casualty of the fire-sale? Okay, I know that's highly unlikely in this particular case, but it's a fairly common occurrence that some piece of "niche but critical" software disappears. It could be as simple as losing your AP licence key, and being unable to re-install ... With Open Source, you always have the option (even if it's a last resort) of buying in help and rebuilding the system from scratch. If the alternative is going out of business, well, let's hope you don't depend on a commercial system that's been end-of-life'd when that happens... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
We use Redhat on some of our systems and do exactly what Symeon says. We get support for the first year and then drop it once the system is stable. In the case of Domino, the IBM support people answer Redhat questions as well. On less critical systems Ubuntu works well. You can buy Ubuntu support just like Redhat. > From: John Thompson > I'm not going to revert to RHEL 5.7 because I'm afraid, and then in > two years have to convert to RHEL 6.x because Red Hat stopped > supporting it, and have to go through all of this nonsense again. Tony >>Few people will admit that a decade ago they dumped a commercial OS like >>Sun, SCO, AIX, or Windows precisely because Linux was Free, and separately >>Open Source. "Somehow" because of those factors, the idea was that we would >>never again have to suffer the whims of the cathedral, as the bazaar would >>provide in bounty all the code changes required for the common good and of >>all. Symeon >>>Yes but there is linux and there is linux - redhat is a commercial operating >>>system with a full support model - you can always go the fedora route if you >>>want to browse the bazaar. Actually many people only take the first year >>>support from redhat - after that there is plenty of bazaar activity for >>>redhat so you can go ahead and update many parts. The difficulty then would >>>be updating the kernel, you may as well then go the fedora route at that point - or subscribe to the latest redhat, or take your pick of linux distro Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
Yes but there is linux and there is linux - redhat is a commercial operating system with a full support model - you can always go the fedora route if you want to browse the bazaar. Actually many people only take the first year support from redhat - after that there is plenty of bazaar activity for redhat so you can go ahead and update many parts. The difficulty then would be updating the kernel, you may as well then go the fedora route at that point - or subscribe to the latest redhat, or take your pick of linux distro -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 13 December 2011 22:24 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well > From: John Thompson > I'm not going to revert to RHEL 5.7 because I'm afraid, and then in > two years have to convert to RHEL 6.x because Red Hat stopped > supporting it, and have to go through all of this nonsense again. Few people will admit that a decade ago they dumped a commercial OS like Sun, SCO, AIX, or Windows precisely because Linux was Free, and separately Open Source. "Somehow" because of those factors, the idea was that we would never again have to suffer the whims of the cathedral, as the bazaar would provide in bounty all the code changes required for the common good and of all. Yeah right. ROFL ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4078 - Release Date: 12/13/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
> From: John Thompson > I'm not going to revert to RHEL 5.7 because I'm > afraid, and then in two years have to convert to RHEL > 6.x because Red Hat stopped supporting it, and have to > go through all of this nonsense again. Few people will admit that a decade ago they dumped a commercial OS like Sun, SCO, AIX, or Windows precisely because Linux was Free, and separately Open Source. "Somehow" because of those factors, the idea was that we would never again have to suffer the whims of the cathedral, as the bazaar would provide in bounty all the code changes required for the common good and of all. Yeah right. ROFL ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
Ah ok. Well, look on the bright side. At least the hosting partner is taking care of all of the OS guru stuff for you. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Symeon Breen wrote: > That would have been me. > > However our hosting partner is not geared up to redhat 6 yet so we have > gone > with redhat 5.7 > > > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson > Sent: 13 December 2011 18:37 > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe > Unidata > as well > > Ha Ha. > > This was specifically related to Universe 11.1.4 being supported on RHEL > 6.0, 6.1, or 6.2 https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/matrix.asp > > Since Red Hat makes all of their releases binary compatible, Rocket does > not > publish minor version numbers with Red Hat. > > They do however, for OS's like AIX. > > This is not in relation to how many bugs there might be in RHEL 6.x > > That is dependent on a lot of different factors, like hardware, etc. > > Red Hat published a bunch of release notes, tech notes, etc. with bug > fixes, > etc. > http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/index.html > > At any rate, as far as my project goes... I'm not going to revert to RHEL > 5.7 because I'm afraid, and then in two years have to convert to RHEL 6.x > because Red Hat stopped supporting it, and have to go through all of this > nonsense again. Just my take on things... > > Thought I'd pass the info along, as I remember someone asking about > upgrading an old Red Hat box. > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > > > > > Wouldn't you want to phrase a question like "How many outstanding bugs > > are there on 6.1 ?" > > Or is that a constantly moving target? > > Something like "there were 50 reported bugs, we fixed 32 of them in > > 6.2 and another 12 in 6.3, but of course in 6.2 there were 20 more new > > bugs reported, and in 6.3 there were 88 more new bugs reported..." > > > > Abandon ship!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Thompson > > To: U2 Users List > > Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 10:00 am > > Subject: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe > > Unidata as well > > > > > > So I'm going through this wonderful project of moving from AIX 5.3 to > > RHEL .x for Universe (note the holiday sarcasm) I was curious if > > Universe was certified on all versions of RHEL 6, since ed Hat seems > > to be releasing the minor versions at a fast pace. > > Here is the response my var got from Rocket. > > > > reat question. The short answer is yes if it says 6 it means 6.1, > > 6.2, .3, etc. RedHat uses the 2nd digit for patch releases and keeps > > them inary compatible so we found it to be more efficient to simply > > say 5, 6 tc. > > Jackie > > > > o, for what is worth. There is an FYI for ya. > > -- > > ohn Thompson > > __ > > 2-Users mailing list > > 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org > > ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > ___ > > U2-Users mailing list > > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > > > -- > John Thompson > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4078 - Release Date: 12/13/11 > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
That would have been me. However our hosting partner is not geared up to redhat 6 yet so we have gone with redhat 5.7 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson Sent: 13 December 2011 18:37 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well Ha Ha. This was specifically related to Universe 11.1.4 being supported on RHEL 6.0, 6.1, or 6.2 https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/matrix.asp Since Red Hat makes all of their releases binary compatible, Rocket does not publish minor version numbers with Red Hat. They do however, for OS's like AIX. This is not in relation to how many bugs there might be in RHEL 6.x That is dependent on a lot of different factors, like hardware, etc. Red Hat published a bunch of release notes, tech notes, etc. with bug fixes, etc. http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/index.html At any rate, as far as my project goes... I'm not going to revert to RHEL 5.7 because I'm afraid, and then in two years have to convert to RHEL 6.x because Red Hat stopped supporting it, and have to go through all of this nonsense again. Just my take on things... Thought I'd pass the info along, as I remember someone asking about upgrading an old Red Hat box. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > > Wouldn't you want to phrase a question like "How many outstanding bugs > are there on 6.1 ?" > Or is that a constantly moving target? > Something like "there were 50 reported bugs, we fixed 32 of them in > 6.2 and another 12 in 6.3, but of course in 6.2 there were 20 more new > bugs reported, and in 6.3 there were 88 more new bugs reported..." > > Abandon ship!! > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Thompson > To: U2 Users List > Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 10:00 am > Subject: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe > Unidata as well > > > So I'm going through this wonderful project of moving from AIX 5.3 to > RHEL .x for Universe (note the holiday sarcasm) I was curious if > Universe was certified on all versions of RHEL 6, since ed Hat seems > to be releasing the minor versions at a fast pace. > Here is the response my var got from Rocket. > > reat question. The short answer is yes if it says 6 it means 6.1, > 6.2, .3, etc. RedHat uses the 2nd digit for patch releases and keeps > them inary compatible so we found it to be more efficient to simply > say 5, 6 tc. > Jackie > > o, for what is worth. There is an FYI for ya. > -- > ohn Thompson > __ > 2-Users mailing list > 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org > ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4078 - Release Date: 12/13/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
Ha Ha. This was specifically related to Universe 11.1.4 being supported on RHEL 6.0, 6.1, or 6.2 https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/matrix.asp Since Red Hat makes all of their releases binary compatible, Rocket does not publish minor version numbers with Red Hat. They do however, for OS's like AIX. This is not in relation to how many bugs there might be in RHEL 6.x That is dependent on a lot of different factors, like hardware, etc. Red Hat published a bunch of release notes, tech notes, etc. with bug fixes, etc. http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/index.html At any rate, as far as my project goes... I'm not going to revert to RHEL 5.7 because I'm afraid, and then in two years have to convert to RHEL 6.x because Red Hat stopped supporting it, and have to go through all of this nonsense again. Just my take on things... Thought I'd pass the info along, as I remember someone asking about upgrading an old Red Hat box. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > > Wouldn't you want to phrase a question like "How many outstanding bugs are > there on 6.1 ?" > Or is that a constantly moving target? > Something like "there were 50 reported bugs, we fixed 32 of them in 6.2 > and another 12 in 6.3, but of course in 6.2 there were 20 more new bugs > reported, and in 6.3 there were 88 more new bugs reported..." > > Abandon ship!! > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Thompson > To: U2 Users List > Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 10:00 am > Subject: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata > as well > > > So I'm going through this wonderful project of moving from AIX 5.3 to RHEL > .x for Universe (note the holiday sarcasm) > I was curious if Universe was certified on all versions of RHEL 6, since > ed Hat seems to be releasing the minor versions at a fast pace. > Here is the response my var got from Rocket. > > reat question. The short answer is yes if it says 6 it means 6.1, 6.2, > .3, etc. RedHat uses the 2nd digit for patch releases and keeps them > inary compatible so we found it to be more efficient to simply say 5, 6 > tc. > Jackie > > o, for what is worth. There is an FYI for ya. > -- > ohn Thompson > __ > 2-Users mailing list > 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org > ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
Wouldn't you want to phrase a question like "How many outstanding bugs are there on 6.1 ?" Or is that a constantly moving target? Something like "there were 50 reported bugs, we fixed 32 of them in 6.2 and another 12 in 6.3, but of course in 6.2 there were 20 more new bugs reported, and in 6.3 there were 88 more new bugs reported..." Abandon ship!! -Original Message- From: John Thompson To: U2 Users List Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 10:00 am Subject: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well So I'm going through this wonderful project of moving from AIX 5.3 to RHEL .x for Universe (note the holiday sarcasm) I was curious if Universe was certified on all versions of RHEL 6, since ed Hat seems to be releasing the minor versions at a fast pace. Here is the response my var got from Rocket. reat question. The short answer is yes if it says 6 it means 6.1, 6.2, .3, etc. RedHat uses the 2nd digit for patch releases and keeps them inary compatible so we found it to be more efficient to simply say 5, 6 tc. Jackie o, for what is worth. There is an FYI for ya. -- ohn Thompson __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
