Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[James Knott]

Andreas Säger wrote:

Tanstaafl wrote


The problem with the Compatability Pack is, it takes over *all* file
associations for *all* Office documents, including the ordinary .doc,
.xls and .ppt files... this confuses users who are not computer saavy...

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Why bother about users who are not computer savvy? Double-click is one
distinct action. There can only be one program bound to this particular
action. The MS viewers are the most appropriate programs to view MS Office
files. Anybody unable to open some file with some other program is the wrong
person on the job.
If this default application is a major annoyance, there are administrators
to modify the default file assosiations for all users.




Generally, the last app to be installed grabs the file associations.  To 
avoid that problem, when I rebuilt a system for friend yesterday (disk 
crash), I installed the viewers first and then OpenOffice.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[Tanstaafl]

On 2012-05-13 12:50 PM, Brian Barker  wrote:

I think you miss the point here: the instruction is both to download
(the viewer) and install the Compatibility Pack.

The Compatibility Pack is indeed intended for systems with Microsoft
Office XP (2002) or 2003 and it enables those versions of Office, as
modified, to open, edit, and save documents in the new "x" formats. But
it is equally applicable to the freeware viewers (which are effectively
cut-down versions of components of Office 2003) and enables the viewers,
as similarly modified, to open, display, and print documents in the
newer formats too.


The problem with the Compatability Pack is, it takes over *all* file 
associations for *all* Office documents, including the ordinary .doc, 
.xls and .ppt files... this confuses users who are not computer saavy...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

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On 05/13/2012 03:17 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 21:18 13/05/2012 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Are you suggesting that the compatibility packs update the Word | 
Powerpoint | Excel Viewers?


Yes.

Brian Barker




I tried their "compatibility pack" for MSO 2003 that "stated" that it 
would allow 2003 to read properly MSO 2007 files.  Well it did not 
work.  Then it stated that you needed the Word viewer to get the pack to 
read Word 2007 files.  Well, since my XP system once had Word 2003 
installed and there was still "residue" of it in the registry, the Word 
viewer failed to install since it claimed I had Word 2003 installed and 
both could not be installed on the same system.


SO
I have had a lot of problems with MS's "compatibility pack" actually 
working.  It would not allow me to read Word 2007 files the way it was 
"claimed" it would do.


Now the real thing LO needs is more work on the .docx [2007 and 2010 
versions] file filtering system.  The better LO [and AOO] can read and 
write .docx files, the better it would be for people who do not want to 
deal with MSO.  Then there are the people, like me, who use Linux and 
our options on getting MSO running properly on our systems is low.


Get the importing filtering for LO/AOO working more and better it the 
real option instead of getting a viewer package.  I want my LO to read 
100% of the .docx files I get from the government agencies who have a 
contract with MSO and are no allowed to install LO on their systems [or 
even use a thumb drive for 2 of them].


If a third-party can get .docx files to read better than it can for LO, 
we need that coding.


But if MSO states that there may be a difference in readability based on 
your OS and other factors, then buying MSO 2010 for an XP, a Vista, and 
a Win7 system and get the same results for all three systems will be 
something that even MSO will not guarantee.  I thing that there is 
something really "wrong" with their own coding if they cannot guarantee 
it will work with all the OSs that MSO2010 can be installed on.  It 
should not make a difference, but it can.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[Brian Barker]

At 21:18 13/05/2012 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Are you suggesting that the compatibility packs update the Word | 
Powerpoint | Excel Viewers?


Yes.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[Dotan Cohen]

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Brian Barker  wrote:
>> Note that those [the freeware Microsoft viewers for Word, Excel, and
>> Powerpoint document files] will not open .docx files: ...
>
>
> Natively, this is true, but read on ...
>
>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891090 "Please note that there was not a
>> Word Viewer created for Word Viewer 2007 or Word Viewer 2010. To view Word
>> 2007 and 2010 documents, please download the following link and install the
>> Office Compatibility Pack noted below"
>>
>> I like the typos on the MS site! The "following link" links to an Office
>> Compatibility Pack for older versions of MS Office, so those with no MS
>> Office installed cannot view Word 2007/2010 files.
>
>
> I think you miss the point here: the instruction is both to download (the
> viewer) and install the Compatibility Pack.
>
> The Compatibility Pack is indeed intended for systems with Microsoft Office
> XP (2002) or 2003 and it enables those versions of Office, as modified, to
> open, edit, and save documents in the new "x" formats.  But it is equally
> applicable to the freeware viewers (which are effectively cut-down versions
> of components of Office 2003) and enables the viewers, as similarly
> modified, to open, display, and print documents in the newer formats too.
>

Hi, Brian. Are you suggesting that the compatibility packs update the
Word | Powerpoint | Excel Viewers? I understood that to not be the
case when I last tried some years ago (~2009, and the code has not
been updated since I see).




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

@Brian,

Thanks for the helpful rundown on viewers.

For Windows and non-Windows platforms, the on-line SkyDrive viewers and editors 
can be used as well.  There is reduced functionality, but it is probably still 
better than what happens attempting to use DOCX in OpenOffice-lineage software.

Recently, they added not only storage but viewer/editor support for some ODF 
Formats, primarily ODF Text.

See <https://skydrive.live.com/>.

(There is now access to some of these on Smartphones too.)

-Original Message-
From: Brian Barker [mailto:b.m.bar...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 09:50
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

At 19:27 13/05/2012 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>Note that those [the freeware Microsoft viewers for Word, Excel, and 
>Powerpoint document files] will not open .docx files: ...

Natively, this is true, but read on ...

>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891090 "Please note that there was 
>not a Word Viewer created for Word Viewer 2007 or Word Viewer 2010. 
>To view Word 2007 and 2010 documents, please download the following 
>link and install the Office Compatibility Pack noted below"
>
>I like the typos on the MS site! The "following link" links to an 
>Office Compatibility Pack for older versions of MS Office, so those 
>with no MS Office installed cannot view Word 2007/2010 files.

I think you miss the point here: the instruction is both to download 
(the viewer) and install the Compatibility Pack.

The Compatibility Pack is indeed intended for systems with Microsoft 
Office XP (2002) or 2003 and it enables those versions of Office, as 
modified, to open, edit, and save documents in the new "x" 
formats.  But it is equally applicable to the freeware viewers (which 
are effectively cut-down versions of components of Office 2003) and 
enables the viewers, as similarly modified, to open, display, and 
print documents in the newer formats too.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[Brian Barker]

At 19:27 13/05/2012 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Note that those [the freeware Microsoft viewers for Word, Excel, and 
Powerpoint document files] will not open .docx files: ...


Natively, this is true, but read on ...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891090 "Please note that there was 
not a Word Viewer created for Word Viewer 2007 or Word Viewer 2010. 
To view Word 2007 and 2010 documents, please download the following 
link and install the Office Compatibility Pack noted below"


I like the typos on the MS site! The "following link" links to an 
Office Compatibility Pack for older versions of MS Office, so those 
with no MS Office installed cannot view Word 2007/2010 files.


I think you miss the point here: the instruction is both to download 
(the viewer) and install the Compatibility Pack.


The Compatibility Pack is indeed intended for systems with Microsoft 
Office XP (2002) or 2003 and it enables those versions of Office, as 
modified, to open, edit, and save documents in the new "x" 
formats.  But it is equally applicable to the freeware viewers (which 
are effectively cut-down versions of components of Office 2003) and 
enables the viewers, as similarly modified, to open, display, and 
print documents in the newer formats too.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[Dotan Cohen]

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:
> Note that the online MS Office works just fine in Firefox on Linux, bt
> you need to open an account:
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/online-software.aspx
>

Sorry, there is a free, reduced version available under a different
name as well:
http://office2010.microsoft.com/en-us/web-apps/


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: DocX

[Dotan Cohen]

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Andreas Säger  wrote:
> Am 11.05.2012 09:51, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>> Hi :)
>> They might be good on Windows machines but i suspect they are not perfect
>> at reading DocX either. MSO 2010 implements DocX differently from 2007 and
>> according to Microsoft's 2010 installer it can be different on different on
>> different versions of Windows, ie different between 2010 on Xp and 2010 on
>> Win7.
>>
>> So i think it's well worth trying just in case it does work well
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>
> Of course they do work very well. These viewers come from the people having
> the source code of the one and only reference implementation and not only
> the format specs.
> 3 viewers to read 7 file formats[*] in 155 MB. This is a higher download
> volume than the full blown AOO suite.
>
> [*] rtf, doc(x), xls(x), ppt(x) not including the XML formats of 2003
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13 [60MB]
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=4 [24MB]
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=10 [71MB]
>

Note that those will note open .docx files:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891090
"Please note that there was not a Word Viewer created for Word Viewer
2007 or Word Viewer 2010. To view Word 2007 and 2010 documents, please
download the following link and install the Office Compatibility Pack
noted below"

I like the typos on the MS site! The "following link" links to an
Office Compatibility Pack for older versions of MS Office, so those
with no MS Office installed cannot view Word 2007/2010 files.

Note that the online MS Office works just fine in Firefox on Linux, bt
you need to open an account:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/online-software.aspx

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx trouble (solved??)

[Jay Lozier]

Tom

On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Tom wrote:

Hi :)
I am fairly sure that Writer can create new .docX files but it still tends
to be best to keep an original of the new document in Odt format.  This way
seems to produce the best docX documents from what i have seen so far.
Regards from
Tom :)

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after editing in LO.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Marcello Romani]

Il 20/09/2011 22:16, planas ha scritto:

On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 16:07 +0200, Marcello Romani wrote:


Il 17/09/2011 14:30, David B Teague sr ha scritto:

On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office
then about 80% of users never stray outside that. From what i see it's
more like about 100% of users. Most users don't even use all of that 20%.

I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and
I'll repost this in a new thread.

The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO
and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to
me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or
LO or what have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the
features available as extensions.

I'd like comments on this idea.

David Teague



That sounds good in theory, but IMHO it's not as simple as it seems once
you start to debate how to implement it.
I think it's not worth the trouble, given the presence of Gnumeric +
Abiword + google docs for those who need only a 20% of what OOo can
offer (not that I think gnumeric is only 20% of Calc, btw).

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The problem is that a user may only use a fraction of LO but each user
uses a different fraction. So for office use you end up needing almost
all the features to cover what most users actually use.


Agreed.



The "light" programs you mentioned can be frustrating to use when you
have used a program with many more features.



Yeah, I know this by experience... But they're not bad after all. I just 
like to standardize on OOo/LO/ 
because it's easier in the long run to deal with 1(ish) package than 
with two :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[planas]

On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 16:07 +0200, Marcello Romani wrote: 

> Il 17/09/2011 14:30, David B Teague sr ha scritto:
> > On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >> If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office
> >> then about 80% of users never stray outside that. From what i see it's
> >> more like about 100% of users. Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
> > I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and
> > I'll repost this in a new thread.
> >
> > The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO
> > and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to
> > me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or
> > LO or what have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the
> > features available as extensions.
> >
> > I'd like comments on this idea.
> >
> > David Teague
> >
> 
> That sounds good in theory, but IMHO it's not as simple as it seems once 
> you start to debate how to implement it.
> I think it's not worth the trouble, given the presence of Gnumeric + 
> Abiword + google docs for those who need only a 20% of what OOo can 
> offer (not that I think gnumeric is only 20% of Calc, btw).
> 
> -- 
> Marcello Romani
> 

The problem is that a user may only use a fraction of LO but each user
uses a different fraction. So for office use you end up needing almost
all the features to cover what most users actually use. 

The "light" programs you mentioned can be frustrating to use when you
have used a program with many more features.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Marcello Romani]

Il 17/09/2011 14:30, David B Teague sr ha scritto:

On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office
then about 80% of users never stray outside that. From what i see it's
more like about 100% of users. Most users don't even use all of that 20%.

I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and
I'll repost this in a new thread.

The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO
and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to
me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or
LO or what have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the
features available as extensions.

I'd like comments on this idea.

David Teague



That sounds good in theory, but IMHO it's not as simple as it seems once 
you start to debate how to implement it.
I think it's not worth the trouble, given the presence of Gnumeric + 
Abiword + google docs for those who need only a 20% of what OOo can 
offer (not that I think gnumeric is only 20% of Calc, btw).


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Suggestion: dedicated file formats list - WAS Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tanstaafl]

There really should be a dedicated mail-list limited strictly to file 
format compatibility issues, that has a few of the developers on it that 
work on the file format filters.


To make it easy for users to submit problems documents, such a list 
should also allow attachments (a size limitation would be advisable).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[planas]

Brian

On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 16:17 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: 

> On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:30 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote:
> >The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, 
> >LO and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users 
> >suggests to me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and 
> >modularize OO.o or LO or what have you to include that 20% and make 
> >the other 80% of the features available as extensions.
> 
> One thing to remember is that in institutions, it will not be the 
> user's job to install or upgrade software.  Users should not be 
> running as root/administrator and will not have access to any 
> installation media.  The efficient way to install software in such 
> scenarios is to install everything and to provide hardware capable of 
> operating it satisfactorily.  There would be no advantage - indeed, 
> considerable disadvantage - if IT departments had to hunt down a set 
> of extensions to make up the package they needed.  It would be 
> another obstacle to change.
> 

Good point, there is a big difference between, home, home office, and
small business users and large institutional or corporation users. Often
the former are owner/operators and can tailor the installation, while
the latter often have limited authority to modify their installation. 

> Brian Barker
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Brian Barker]

On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:30 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote:
The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, 
LO and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users 
suggests to me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and 
modularize OO.o or LO or what have you to include that 20% and make 
the other 80% of the features available as extensions.


One thing to remember is that in institutions, it will not be the 
user's job to install or upgrade software.  Users should not be 
running as root/administrator and will not have access to any 
installation media.  The efficient way to install software in such 
scenarios is to install everything and to provide hardware capable of 
operating it satisfactorily.  There would be no advantage - indeed, 
considerable disadvantage - if IT departments had to hunt down a set 
of extensions to make up the package they needed.  It would be 
another obstacle to change.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think everyone on this list, even a fresh & 'clueless' noob, is in the top 
10%.  The very fact of knowing about and trying LibreOffice puts people in a 
very exclusive top percentage of office 'geeks'.  

Apparently it would not be trivial to remove features and  make  
add-ons/extensions to add back that functionality if required.  Even on 
low-spec machines there probably wouldn't be a dramatic increase in performance 
and it might complicate things too much.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Tim Deaton 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 3:13

It's very true that 80% of people only use 20% of the program.  The 
problem is that my 20% is not your 20%.  Now, if you could do in-depth 
tracking of thousands of random users, you might be able to isolate a 
certain set of features that almost nobody uses.  Then those features 
could be removed if doing so would make enough difference (in 
performance or in resources used) to make it worth the effort.

-- Tim Deaton



On 9/17/2011 8:40 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I really like that idea a lot but i have been told it's unfeasable.  Even if 
> we could clearly identify that 20% it would be tricky to slim the apps down 
> that way.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Sat, 17/9/11, David B Teague sr  wrote:
>
> From: David B Teague sr
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 13:30
>
> On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
>> about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more like 
>> about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
> I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and I'll 
> repost this in a new thread.
>
> The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO and 
> OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to me that 
> OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or LO or what 
> have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the features available 
> as extensions.
>
> I'd like comments on this idea.
>
> David Teague
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I completely disagree with that.  From what i see of "average" users even 10% 
might be far too high and it's the same 10% not a different 10% for each 
person.  

A lot of secretaries and people that work with Word all day long consider the 
use of indent, tabs or tables rather than "lots of spaces" as scarily technical 
or over-complicated.  Copy&paste is beyond a lot of people, especially using 
keyboard short-cuts.  I have seen a lot of people with a spreadsheet open on 
their machine yet they reach for a calculator to add up a list of figures and i 
am talking about office managers, senior executives, accountants, not dumb 
idiots!  A person that takes a LOT of pictures with an iPhone was shocked when 
i turned it sideways to see landscape pictures fill the screen.  

Using Calc does not mean using 1/6th of the functionality of the entire Suite.  
It often means just typing in numbers and maybe looking at the results at the 
end of the row.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sun, 18/9/11, planas  wrote:

From: planas 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 6:53

David,

On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:30 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote: 

> On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
> > about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more 
> > like about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
> I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and 
> I'll repost this in a new thread.
> 
> The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO 
> and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to 
> me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or 
> LO or what have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the 
> features available as extensions.
> 

I think you will actually find individuals use about 20 - 25% of the
features regularly but I think you will find there is very little
overlap. This means that LO needs to cover about 75 - 85% of the
features as a minimum to cover the user base. You will find users who
will use one or two components almost exclusively and very rarely use
the others. For example I use Writer and Calc extensively, Base
occasionally, and almost never use Impress or Draw. 

> I'd like comments on this idea.
> 
> David Teague
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[planas]

David,

On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:30 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote: 

> On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
> > about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more 
> > like about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
> I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and 
> I'll repost this in a new thread.
> 
> The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO 
> and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to 
> me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or 
> LO or what have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the 
> features available as extensions.
> 

I think you will actually find individuals use about 20 - 25% of the
features regularly but I think you will find there is very little
overlap. This means that LO needs to cover about 75 - 85% of the
features as a minimum to cover the user base. You will find users who
will use one or two components almost exclusively and very rarely use
the others. For example I use Writer and Calc extensively, Base
occasionally, and almost never use Impress or Draw. 

> I'd like comments on this idea.
> 
> David Teague
> 
> -- 
> nil significat nisi oscillat
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tim Deaton]

It's very true that 80% of people only use 20% of the program.  The 
problem is that my 20% is not your 20%.  Now, if you could do in-depth 
tracking of thousands of random users, you might be able to isolate a 
certain set of features that almost nobody uses.  Then those features 
could be removed if doing so would make enough difference (in 
performance or in resources used) to make it worth the effort.


-- Tim Deaton



On 9/17/2011 8:40 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I really like that idea a lot but i have been told it's unfeasable.  Even if we 
could clearly identify that 20% it would be tricky to slim the apps down that 
way.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sat, 17/9/11, David B Teague sr  wrote:

From: David B Teague sr
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 13:30

On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more like 
about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.

I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and I'll 
repost this in a new thread.

The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO and 
OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to me that OO.o 
should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or LO or what have you 
to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the features available as 
extensions.

I'd like comments on this idea.

David Teague

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tim Deaton]

On 9/17/2011 7:35 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 15/09/2011 16:34, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:


I tell everyone that I deal with that MS does not support those "x" 
formats the same between their different version of Office.  I know 
people who save their documents in .docx with Office 2010 and it does 
not work completely read by Office 2007.  SO I tell them unless there 
is a dire need to save it in those "x" formats, use the ones that go 
from Office 97 through 2003.


There's one major problem with that. In Windows 7 (and it may have 
been the case in Vista) the option "hide extensions for known file 
types" is turned ON by DEFAULT so when the user of Office 2007/2010 
creates a document, all they see in the title is the name of the 
document, not the extension so they don't even KNOW that the default 
document types are .???x at all.
Plenty of posts in the MS Office forums of the type: "I just bought 
Office 2007/2010 and my recipients (i.e. those using 2003 or prior who 
have NOT installed the compatibility pack) can't open documents I send 
them. Why?"

I don't quite know how that is got around...




For any Windows users (XP thru 7) who cannot see their file extensions:
1. Open Windows Explorer ([WindowsLogo]+[e])
2. Click [Tools], then [Folder Options], then [View]
3. Uncheck the box beside "Hide extensions for known file types"

That "feature" is one of the stupidest things Microsoft has ever come up 
with.  Ever since Windows XP introduced it, disabling it is the first 
thing I do to any computer.


I hope that helps.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[soumalya ray]

Abiword is a real good alternative.

On 17 September 2011 18:55, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> +1
> Mostly.  A little slimming for low-spec machines such as hand-helds,
> netbooks and stuff might be good but too much would be annoying.  There is
> always google-docs or AbiWord and stuff for low-spec machines anyway :)
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Sat, 17/9/11, soumalya ray  wrote:
>
> From: soumalya ray 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 14:03
>
> its better to have it and dont need it than to need it and dont have it
> thats my line of thinking
>
> On 17 September 2011 18:10, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > I really like that idea a lot but i have been told it's unfeasable.  Even
> > if we could clearly identify that 20% it would be tricky to slim the apps
> > down that way.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 17/9/11, David B Teague sr 
> wrote:
> >
> > From: David B Teague sr 
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 13:30
> >
> > On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office
> > then about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's
> more
> > like about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
> > I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and
> > I'll repost this in a new thread.
> >
> > The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO
> and
> > OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to me
> that
> > OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or LO or
> what
> > have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the features
> > available as extensions.
> >
> > I'd like comments on this idea.
> >
> > David Teague
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
Mostly.  A little slimming for low-spec machines such as hand-helds, netbooks 
and stuff might be good but too much would be annoying.  There is always 
google-docs or AbiWord and stuff for low-spec machines anyway :)
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sat, 17/9/11, soumalya ray  wrote:

From: soumalya ray 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 14:03

its better to have it and dont need it than to need it and dont have it
thats my line of thinking

On 17 September 2011 18:10, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> I really like that idea a lot but i have been told it's unfeasable.  Even
> if we could clearly identify that 20% it would be tricky to slim the apps
> down that way.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Sat, 17/9/11, David B Teague sr  wrote:
>
> From: David B Teague sr 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 13:30
>
> On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office
> then about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more
> like about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
> I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and
> I'll repost this in a new thread.
>
> The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO and
> OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to me that
> OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or LO or what
> have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the features
> available as extensions.
>
> I'd like comments on this idea.
>
> David Teague
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[soumalya ray]

its better to have it and dont need it than to need it and dont have it
thats my line of thinking

On 17 September 2011 18:10, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> I really like that idea a lot but i have been told it's unfeasable.  Even
> if we could clearly identify that 20% it would be tricky to slim the apps
> down that way.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Sat, 17/9/11, David B Teague sr  wrote:
>
> From: David B Teague sr 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 13:30
>
> On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office
> then about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more
> like about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
> I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and
> I'll repost this in a new thread.
>
> The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO and
> OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to me that
> OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or LO or what
> have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the features
> available as extensions.
>
> I'd like comments on this idea.
>
> David Teague
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I really like that idea a lot but i have been told it's unfeasable.  Even if we 
could clearly identify that 20% it would be tricky to slim the apps down that 
way. 
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: David B Teague sr 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 13:30

On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
> about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more like 
> about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and I'll 
repost this in a new thread.

The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO and 
OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to me that OO.o 
should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or LO or what have you 
to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the features available as 
extensions.

I'd like comments on this idea.

David Teague

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[David B Teague sr]

On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more like 
about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and 
I'll repost this in a new thread.


The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO 
and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to 
me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or 
LO or what have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the 
features available as extensions.


I'd like comments on this idea.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If i have to tell someone their document got a bit garbled, i usually explain 
about using "Save As ..." to use the older formats and how to export as Pdf so 
that people can see the intention.  I have it as a copy&paste so i don't have 
to re-type it each time.  Some people found "Save As.."  difficult to find so i 
even took a screen-shot to help them find it.  

If people have to go elsewhere to find help on how to make documents that can 
be opened by everyone then they are often going to be getting some very strange 
FUD from people that have no clue and are not pro-LO.  At least in here we are 
learning different points of view.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sat, 17/9/11, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

From: Gordon Burgess-Parker 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 12:35

On 15/09/2011 16:34, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
> 
> I tell everyone that I deal with that MS does not support those "x" formats 
> the same between their different version of Office.  I know people who save 
> their documents in .docx with Office 2010 and it does not work completely 
> read by Office 2007.  SO I tell them unless there is a dire need to save it 
> in those "x" formats, use the ones that go from Office 97 through 2003.

There's one major problem with that. In Windows 7 (and it may have been the 
case in Vista) the option "hide extensions for known file types" is turned ON 
by DEFAULT so when the user of Office 2007/2010 creates a document, all they 
see in the title is the name of the document, not the extension so they don't 
even KNOW that the default document types are .???x at all.
Plenty of posts in the MS Office forums of the type: "I just bought Office 
2007/2010 and my recipients (i.e. those using 2003 or prior who have NOT 
installed the compatibility pack) can't open documents I send them. Why?"
I don't quite know how that is got around...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 15/09/2011 16:34, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:


I tell everyone that I deal with that MS does not support those "x" 
formats the same between their different version of Office.  I know 
people who save their documents in .docx with Office 2010 and it does 
not work completely read by Office 2007.  SO I tell them unless there 
is a dire need to save it in those "x" formats, use the ones that go 
from Office 97 through 2003.


There's one major problem with that. In Windows 7 (and it may have been 
the case in Vista) the option "hide extensions for known file types" is 
turned ON by DEFAULT so when the user of Office 2007/2010 creates a 
document, all they see in the title is the name of the document, not the 
extension so they don't even KNOW that the default document types are 
.???x at all.
Plenty of posts in the MS Office forums of the type: "I just bought 
Office 2007/2010 and my recipients (i.e. those using 2003 or prior who 
have NOT installed the compatibility pack) can't open documents I send 
them. Why?"

I don't quite know how that is got around...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more like 
about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.  

People that are more likely to know and might even have read studies suggest 
it's more like 90% of users only use 10% of the features.  It would be great to 
have a study about this but it's difficult to avoid bias.  "Leading questions" 
and assumptions or misunderstandings by users.  Various guys think they always 
uses the most sophisticated new features but in fact never do some even block 
newer or more advanced features because of the 'problems' they have caused.  

Still, i agree with the rest of the project (outside of the Users List) that we 
need to be better at both read & writes of the newer MS formats just to hold on 
to the share of the market we have at the moment let alone try to increase 
that.  

It's not a surprise to hear that a University that might normally champion 
intellectual freedom and freedom of speech is so clueless or mis-informed about 
a computer related issue that they end up forcing people into supporting a big 
profit-making company.  Normally if a university recommends a product they will 
have received funding or some other good deal from the company.  In this case 
the university is probably not getting anything like that.  

It would be nice if TDF could form a team that does what MS do and goes out to 
put our side of the story out to selected companies and such-like.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 16/9/11, Brian Barker  wrote:

From: Brian Barker 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 16 September, 2011, 2:10

At 16:05 15/09/2011 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:
> Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
> Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
> can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
> users of MS Office.

I fear that's not entirely true.  There are some facilities in later versions 
of Microsoft Office which can be saved in .docx etc. formats but not in .doc 
etc. formats.  If your correspondents are making use of these facilities, that 
content will be lost if you convert their documents to the older file formats.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Brian Barker]

At 16:05 15/09/2011 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:
Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. 
All flavours of Microsoft Office fully support 
any of these heritage file formats and this 
office suite can handle them much better. There 
is no technical reason to share docx with users of MS Office.


I fear that's not entirely true.  There are some 
facilities in later versions of Microsoft Office 
which can be saved in .docx etc. formats but not 
in .doc etc. formats.  If your correspondents are 
making use of these facilities, that content will 
be lost if you convert their documents to the older file formats.


Brian Barker


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, but in the original question in this thread it implied that the docX 
opened with no problems, it was only the saving back into that format that 
caused troubles.  Generally it would be great if we could get MS Office users 
to send stuff in their older formats.  But in this case it seems to have been 
ok :)
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:

From: Dennis E. Hamilton 
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 20:21

It is rather difficult to follow this advice if the acceptance of the 
docx/xslx/pptx into LO is defective.  Then the returned doc/xls/ppt will 
reflect that, unless the user manages to figure out how to correct everything 
in LO first [;<).

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

It is rather difficult to follow this advice if the acceptance of the 
docx/xslx/pptx into LO is defective.  Then the returned doc/xls/ppt will 
reflect that, unless the user manages to figure out how to correct everything 
in LO first [;<).

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[planas]

Hi

On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 17:25 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: 

> Le 15/09/11 11:57, Guy Voets a écrit :
> 
> Hi Guy,
> 
> > So what went wrong?
> 
> My current experience of importing and exporting docx format files is
> one of hit or miss...
> 
> I have gone back to NeoOffice 3.1.2 and OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 in order to
> load these files, as they seem to at least be able to give me something
> to work with.
> 
> 
> Alex
> 
> 

I have not had any problems with -x formats with relatively simple Word
and Excel files using 3.4.x. I have some trouble with 3.3.0/1 reading
the -x format even with simple files.

As precaution I like to save any file in the appropriate odf format as
well as -x format.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[webmaster for Kracked Press Productions]

I tell everyone that I deal with that MS does not support those "x" 
formats the same between their different version of Office.  I know 
people who save their documents in .docx with Office 2010 and it does 
not work completely read by Office 2007.  SO I tell them unless there is 
a dire need to save it in those "x" formats, use the ones that go from 
Office 97 through 2003.  Myself, I dropped MSO at 2003, but I still have 
copies of MSO 2003, MSO XP, and if I can find where I put it I have MSO 
97 as well.  I dropped using MSO when I went to Ubuntu-Linux as my 
default desktop OS in Feb 2010.  Dropped it from my laptops sometime 
after LO came out.


I am setting up an old IBM server with my last copy of XP Home [32-bit] 
and I have placed MSO 2003 on it, but then installed LO 3.3.x with the 
MSO files defaulted to LO instead of MSO.  The secretary [in training] 
may need to learn MSO, but she will have LO on it so she can do her 
typing with an easier to use package.


So, promote the use of MSO files that are the legacy ones that can be 
used by Office 2003 or earlier.  Try to get your people to stop using 
these flaky "x" formats.


Personally I think MS wanted to have their own formats that was their 
response to the creation of the ODF office file formats.  ODF became the 
International Standards Organization "the" standard for office file 
formats instead of MSO's "x" formats, and then MSO spread some money 
around and got ISO to state there are two standards [when they normally 
have only one standard for each product or system].  MSO then decided 
that, since they would not be in control of the "open source" part of 
the standard, they would not fully support their open "x" formats.


On 09/15/2011 10:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx can't be read

[Dotan Cohen]

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 02:26, Twayne  wrote:
> This might be a long shot, but I recently ran into a similar situation. It
> turned out the user had sent it with windows Live Mail. When I tried out
> Live Mail, it was all completely readable.
>   Guess which mail client I'll never use?
>

The only one that works with the documents that you've tested?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx can't be read

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 04/05/2011 12:54, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

There does seem to have been a recent change somewhere that is creating problems
with docX.
I don't seem to have many problems opening docx files I have created in 
LO 3.3.2 - the problem with THIS particular file, having opened it in MS 
Word 2007, would seem to be that the creators have inserted a Text Box 
and the ENTIRE document is inside this text box. Why on EARTH anyone 
would do that in a Word document I have NO IDEA.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx can't be read

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)

There does seem to have been a recent change somewhere that is creating 
problems 
with docX.  The normal problem of re-arranged pictures and things is inevitable 
even just using different versions of MSO but there have been a couple people 
in 
last couple of days that have sent me docX files that probably would have 
worked 
previously, or at least opened.  Perhaps its a change with the Xml 
implementation in Windows or perhaps some recent fashion or who knows.  It does 
seem to be specifically picture-related but seems to stop files from being 
opened.  Hey, it's Windows, it could be anything.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: plino 
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 12:08:20
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx can't be read

Dotan, 

"Well, allow me to retort" (as a famous movie character said) :)

LibreOffice IS fully compatible in the sense that it will open any MS Office
file. HOWEVER files created in MS Office may not look exactly the same (or
some features, e.g. Equations not be loaded at all) in LO or OOo

IMO the biggest problem is that files created in LO (and OOo) when saved in
MS Office formats often do not look the same (although users are warned
about this). And that is the biggest obstacle to that strong affirmation in
the Ubuntu site (and probably the largest obstacle for a wider adoption).

Just my 2 cents ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx can't be read

[Dotan Cohen]

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 14:08, plino  wrote:
> Dotan,
>
> "Well, allow me to retort" (as a famous movie character said) :)
>
> LibreOffice IS fully compatible in the sense that it will open any MS Office
> file. HOWEVER files created in MS Office may not look exactly the same (or
> some features, e.g. Equations not be loaded at all) in LO or OOo
>

That is not fully compatible. That is partially compatible.

Would you say that HTML 5 is fully compatible with HTML 1.0? Because
it is, so long as one restricts his use of HTML 5 to only using 
tags.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx file which won't be read

[Tom Davies]

From: Gordon Burgess-Parker 
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 15:42:52
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx file which won't be read

On 02/05/11 14:27, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Err, i couldn't open it either
> Ubuntu 10.04, LO 3.3.2
> but it did allow me to right-click and open with archive manager which is
> roughly equivalent to Winzip and then i was able to see the various elements 
of
> the DocX file.  Most of it was the usual xml code but there was a "thumbnail"
> that seemed to give relevant info.  Sadly i can't read Dutch so none of it 
made
> any sense to me lol
>
> I have attached the archive as a zip but the list wont get the attachment.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Joep L. Blom
> To: Tom Davies
> Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 13:27:55
> Subject: .docx file which won't be read
>
> Tom,
> Here the file which I cannot read.
> I hope you can do something with it. It is of course in Dutch and as I have
> another appointment on that day I cannot attend it but it is more my curiosity
> why LO can't read this file.
> Hope hearing from you soon,
> Joep
>
Interesting - I can open docx files with 3.3.2, maybe the file is corrupted?
(You could send it to this email if you like to see if I have any better 
luck...)


Hi :)
Yes, i can normally open them since 3.3.0 or perhaps slightly before but this 
particular one doesn't work for some unknown reason.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: .docx file which won't be read

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 02/05/11 14:27, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Err, i couldn't open it either
Ubuntu 10.04, LO 3.3.2
but it did allow me to right-click and open with archive manager which is
roughly equivalent to Winzip and then i was able to see the various elements of
the DocX file.  Most of it was the usual xml code but there was a "thumbnail"
that seemed to give relevant info.  Sadly i can't read Dutch so none of it made
any sense to me lol

I have attached the archive as a zip but the list wont get the attachment.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Joep L. Blom
To: Tom Davies
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 13:27:55
Subject: .docx file which won't be read

Tom,
Here the file which I cannot read.
I hope you can do something with it. It is of course in Dutch and as I have
another appointment on that day I cannot attend it but it is more my curiosity
why LO can't read this file.
Hope hearing from you soon,
Joep


Interesting - I can open docx files with 3.3.2, maybe the file is corrupted?
(You could send it to this email if you like to see if I have any better 
luck...)


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