Re: [videoblogging] Are women less willing to speak their minds?
Although I agree with some of your valid points about What helps women talk on camera? I totally DISAGREE with your traditional approach on how to do that. I should know from first hand experience what it takes to get a women to open up and talk on camera. Since, I do a weekly show about SEX and Relationships called The Gerry T Show http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV where every week I interview random women to talk to me on camera about these 2 topics. If you don't believe me check out A Love Sex Confessional http://blip.tv/file/217944/ Where I interviewed her in her car. I think that Lindsay Campbell of Moblogic who I've met and hung out with is VERY GOOD at what she does. The problem lies not in a fuzzy microphone in your face, or being overwhelmed by a camera person, or the interviewer, or even being offered snacks while sitting on a comfortable couch in some studio. The problem or the challenge lies in getting the RIGHT person in front of the camera. Either the person you're interviewing has it, or they don't. Its that simple! From watching that video Are women less willing to speak their minds I could tell right away what was going to happen before it happen. Don't worry Lindsay Campbell and Moblogic you learn from your mistakes, and failures are the lessons of success. Just keep making it happen!! Gerry T The Gerry T Show http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV Twitter.com/TheGerryTShow scoobyfox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question started by Lindsay Campbell on moblogic.tv after she had a hard time finding willing chicks for her person on the street interviews. Here are my thoughts about it: http://subvert.com/blog/2008/04/11/are-women-less-willing-to-speak-their-minds/ I do wonder about the many many fewer chick vloggers. I know that I get a lot more personal emails from my blog readers and vlog watchers than comments. What do you think? I'd certainly like to see public conversation be less chock full o' nuts. heather gold subvert.com | heathergold.com - the Heather Gold Show __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Nokia Mobile Filmmaking Awards 2008
I should've posted this here before, but I thought David Howell would've done it already. Nokia have asked him to run a parallel competition at http://davidhowellstudios.com/ Both Nokia and Dave are running what is basically a videoblogging competition, and there's not much competition at the moment, so there's a good chance of you winning. You don't have to shoot on a phone to win (though it'd probably help). Films submitted should be 2 minutes long. Subjects should be one of the following: 1. The Best Part Of Today. 2. The Next Thing That Makes You Smile. 3. An Act Of Kindness. 4. The Next Person To Inspire You. So - not every film will fit, but it's pretty videobloggingy brief. Closing date is midnight, April 30th. It's tied into a big event on May 10th called Pangea Day, which is about 'bringing the world together through the power of film'. Nokia are sponsoring Pangea Day and using it as a chance to promote the idea of mobile filmmaking with their phones. And to promote their new video sharing site Share on Ovi, which they just launched. They bought Twango and rebranded it. You can see the 150 or so films that have been submitted so far and submit your own at http://twango.com/channel/PangeaDay.film And also post a link at http://davidhowellstudios.com/ Don't just fire and forget your entries if you want views and ratings. Get involved, leave comments and ratings to get more people watching your films. I'm trying to kick start conversation involvement there - there was none just a week ago. I've had some interesting exchanges and had lots of views and ratings as a result. You can see the last thing I submitted at: http://www.twango.com/media/PangeaDay.film/ruperthowe.10020 which is in the lead at the moment - uhhh... views, comments and ratings appreciated :D Finalists in the Nokia Awards will be shortlisted by popularity, judged by views, favorites, comments and ratings. Then judges will choose winners. David Howell will choose the winner for his comp. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/
[videoblogging] Re: Studio Engineer Needed
Hey Jim-- I recently watched your tour of the Rev3 facilities on Beet TV and I was practically drooling. Here's the video if anyone is interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zDftE2Aay4 I don't think it was explicitly stated, but Jim co are located in San Francisco. Lots of talented people on this list and many in the San Fran area. I hope a few leads pop out of the woodwork. -- Rick Rey http://epicfu.com Assoc. Producer/Editor, EPIC-FU --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, jlouderb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it's Jim Louderback from Revision3. I've been lurking on this group for a while (thanks for all the great advice), but I figured I'd speak up on this. Revision3 is looking for a video engineer to manage, enhance and operate our state-of-the-art HD multi-camera streaming video studio. We're switched, have about 3,000 square feet of shooting space, a green screen, etc. We need someone who wants to chart the course of what a videoblogging/streaming studio should look be, on a beer budget. Let me know if you are interested. And if I've offended the group with this post, I apologize in advance. jim
Re: [videoblogging] Are women less willing to speak their minds?
Hi everyone: gerry tejeda wrote: Although I agree with some of your valid points about What helps women talk on camera? I totally DISAGREE with your traditional approach on how to do that. I should know from first hand experience what it takes to get a women to open up and talk on camera. Since, I do a weekly show about SEX and Relationships called The Gerry T Show http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV http://TheGerryTShow.Blip.TV where every week I interview random women to talk to me on camera about these 2 topics. First off, I have to say that I have to say that I disagree (Respectfully mind you) with BOTH of you! I have learned that women have ways of speaking their minds in ways us guys can't seem to comphrehend. I know this because my mom is NOT afraid of speaking HER mind (And she's 62 years old!) Her best friend (Who's about as old as I am. I'm 41 going on 42 in June) is hispanic, knows martial arts, and is HARDLY afraid of speaking her mind and verbally putting people back in their place. She's not afraid to do it PHYSICALLY too if needed. I also live in an urban area and we all know how urbanized women (Particularly women who live in ghetto 'hoods can express THEMSELVES, now do we?). If you don't, just watch an episode or two of COPS and you'll be QUICKLY educated. I think that Lindsay Campbell of Moblogic who I've met and hung out with is VERY GOOD at what she does. The problem lies not in a fuzzy microphone in your face, or being overwhelmed by a camera person, or the interviewer, or even being offered snacks while sitting on a comfortable couch in some studio. The problem or the challenge lies in getting the RIGHT person in front of the camera. Either the person you're interviewing has it, or they don't. Its that simple! Agreed. Which is why I posted the comments above. Don't worry Lindsay Campbell and Moblogic you learn from your mistakes, and failures are the lessons of success. We all do. Don't we? ;) Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado PODCASTS - AS MY WORLD TURNS - Blogger Page - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/20453 AS MY WEIGHT LOSS WORLD TURNS - http://asmyweightlossworldturns.blogspot.com PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Video Podcast) - Blogger Page - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ - BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/19924 **COMING SOON** - PAT'S CLASSIC TV COMMERCIALS VIDEO PODCAST - http://patsclassictvcommercials-ipod.blogspot.com/ (iPod), http://patsclassictvcommercials-flash.blogspot.com/ (Flash)
[videoblogging] Camcorder recommendation
Hi, I am very frustrated and thought perhaps some folks here might be able to recommend a few camcorder options for me to considerI figured this might be a common question, so I did look through the archive for responses...but some of my needs are a bit different and I thought it best to ask (again, sorry). I WOULD VERY APPRECIATIVE of any help, honestly, I am very frustrated with my search. I need a camera for recording classroom presentations and for my blog. I would like to use an external mic so the sound quality is good--so the camcamera needs to have external mic input. I would like to be able to record a fair amount (16 - 5 minute presentations --about 80-100 minutes of material). But I need to be able to record and then access the clips quickly during the class. I would like (if possible) to be able to offer them to the students at the end of the day as well, if possible, but I can't take a bunch of time to do that. I also need the ability to easily find the different presentations for playback so we can review during class via a TV output...so I need ability to output to TV (need RCA audio out)... Also, I do have a blog for my business and I would like to record myself for blog entries. For the classroom the quality doesn't have to be all that great, for my blog I would like at least better than average quality. I would be grateful for some opinions/thoughts/comments... I should mention that I ALREADY OWN AND USE a SONY Handycam DCR-TRV38 --which is an older mini-DV tape camera, it has external mic and also firewire connection to my MAC..it works fine...EXCEPTI can't go back to individual student presentations (I need to review in the order they presented AND I can't easily give INDIVIDUAL presentations to each of the students to play. Thanks again for any help you can provide. Frustrated in Cherry Hill (aka Lisa)
[videoblogging] Re: Live internet video questions and thoughts
I strongly suggest you try Mogulus with Flash Media Encoder (FME). Obviously, the things that make for good recorded video hold true for live as well (effective lighting, good white balance, good manual focusing, appropriate camera exposure, good audio, etc...) FME on it's own is interesting in and of itself - but FME hosting 'aint cheap. Mogulus (at least now while in Beta) is free. I did a lot of research and settled on FME over the tricaster after a cost/benefit assessment. Even at that, FME hosting cost me a lot. (I never got out of test with FME hosting as it was so expensive.) Mogulus is great. I just streamed an IT conference in Ireland live and plan to stream some more content from Microsoft in Redmond next week. So far, I'm of the opinion that using FME with Mogulus is unbeatable for live quality streaming. Chuck -- Chuck Boyce http://chucktv.ning.com/ phone: +1.347.284.6148 IM/chat: skype chuck_boyce_jr yahoo chuck_boyce_jr Live [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 491075880 google [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM chuckboycejr twitter chuckboycejr --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This group doesnt seem like quite the right place to talk about live video, can anybody recommend active communities that talk about and do such things? Im still a bit disappointed by the video audio quality of some of the live stuff Ive watched, even if its not via mobile phone, any thoughts on which service is the best in this regard? I still love vlogs but I cannot deny there is still a powerful thing that comes from live video, especially when there is live text chat at the same time. Sharing the eternal now with others is good for the soul? And even when it comes to pre-recorded stuff, shows etc, I stil find stuff being on at a certain time or on a regular schedule has appeal. I mean I love all the power and flexibility that videoblogs, video search, aggregating etc bring, but I do find I miss some aspects of tv (not the shows though). Almost the only time I watch TV these days is live stuff. I dont know if there's any mileage in a lot of vlogs being shown in a back-to-back tv channel format, where people can tune in to see a new episode for the first time at a certain time, perhaps with live chat between creators and audience? Anyways I wanted to talk more about technical aspects of live video, such as providing very affordable but sophisticated realtime camera mixing, special effects, video overlays and all manner of other stuff, but on a low budget. Quartz Composer is my tool of choice, and sometime late last year I think I was even offering to try to make some effects for the excellent Camtwist software, but I failed pretty badly, didnt have enough time and I realised I wasnt so good with Quartz Composer as Id hoped I was. But now Ive spent months with Quartz Composer and am a little better at it. And I started watching some live video and saw some bloke who was doing interactive gameshow karaoke. It was sort of naff but it had a certain charm, and he was really pushing his computer past the limits with lots of graphics that showed stuff. It set off ideas in my mind about how much better it could all be. And so here I am sprouting words about it without a clear agenda of where I am going with this. Erm, what else? Oh yes, that there are VJ's (club type not MTV type) who are used to mixing video live and doing effects etc, and most of them dont have fulltime mega-money making possibilities from the VJing scene, but have equipment and expertise that could be a very profitable partnership for organisations or individuals who need some live video facilities on a tight budget. Still Im only speulating on this, could try asking on vjforums.com and see what the response is if curious. Cheers Steve Elbows
Re: [videoblogging] Camcorder recommendation
Could the handicam work if you ran a line into your computer, and recorded to your drive instead of the tape? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2008, at 2:22 PM, L Velasquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am very frustrated and thought perhaps some folks here might be able to recommend a few camcorder options for me to considerI figured this might be a common question, so I did look through the archive for responses...but some of my needs are a bit different and I thought it best to ask (again, sorry). I WOULD VERY APPRECIATIVE of any help, honestly, I am very frustrated with my search. I need a camera for recording classroom presentations and for my blog. I would like to use an external mic so the sound quality is good--so the camcamera needs to have external mic input. I would like to be able to record a fair amount (16 - 5 minute presentations --about 80-100 minutes of material). But I need to be able to record and then access the clips quickly during the class. I would like (if possible) to be able to offer them to the students at the end of the day as well, if possible, but I can't take a bunch of time to do that. I also need the ability to easily find the different presentations for playback so we can review during class via a TV output...so I need ability to output to TV (need RCA audio out)... Also, I do have a blog for my business and I would like to record myself for blog entries. For the classroom the quality doesn't have to be all that great, for my blog I would like at least better than average quality. I would be grateful for some opinions/thoughts/comments... I should mention that I ALREADY OWN AND USE a SONY Handycam DCR-TRV38 --which is an older mini-DV tape camera, it has external mic and also firewire connection to my MAC..it works fine...EXCEPTI can't go back to individual student presentations (I need to review in the order they presented AND I can't easily give INDIVIDUAL presentations to each of the students to play. Thanks again for any help you can provide. Frustrated in Cherry Hill (aka Lisa) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Camcorder recommendation
You can use your existing DV camera and external mic with Flash Media Encoder and Mogulus. http://www.mogulus.com/wiki/index.php/Use_Flash_Media_Encoder_or_On2_F lix_live_Encoder_with_Mogulus You can stream live to your blog (and anywhere else you or anyone wants via embed windows) and Mogulus lets you record what you stream to re-use for your later subsequent (non-live) programming. Your students could also be producers and you could all collectively work together as a production team and share cameras, devices, and content between you team. http://www.mogulus.com/channels/produce If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Chuck Boyce -- Chuck Boyce http://chucktv.ning.com/ phone: +1.347.284.6148 IM/chat: skype chuck_boyce_jr yahoo chuck_boyce_jr Live [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 491075880 google [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM chuckboycejr twitter chuckboycejr --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, L Velasquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am very frustrated and thought perhaps some folks here might be able to recommend a few camcorder options for me to considerI figured this might be a common question, so I did look through the archive for responses...but some of my needs are a bit different and I thought it best to ask (again, sorry). I WOULD VERY APPRECIATIVE of any help, honestly, I am very frustrated with my search. I need a camera for recording classroom presentations and for my blog. I would like to use an external mic so the sound quality is good--so the camcamera needs to have external mic input. I would like to be able to record a fair amount (16 - 5 minute presentations --about 80-100 minutes of material). But I need to be able to record and then access the clips quickly during the class. I would like (if possible) to be able to offer them to the students at the end of the day as well, if possible, but I can't take a bunch of time to do that. I also need the ability to easily find the different presentations for playback so we can review during class via a TV output...so I need ability to output to TV (need RCA audio out)... Also, I do have a blog for my business and I would like to record myself for blog entries. For the classroom the quality doesn't have to be all that great, for my blog I would like at least better than average quality. I would be grateful for some opinions/thoughts/comments... I should mention that I ALREADY OWN AND USE a SONY Handycam DCR- TRV38 --which is an older mini-DV tape camera, it has external mic and also firewire connection to my MAC..it works fine...EXCEPTI can't go back to individual student presentations (I need to review in the order they presented AND I can't easily give INDIVIDUAL presentations to each of the students to play. Thanks again for any help you can provide. Frustrated in Cherry Hill (aka Lisa)
[videoblogging] Re: Macbook Pro...
My version has the Santa Rosa and LED screen from 8 mos ago. It's hands down the most solid computer I've ever owned. I usually have most of the Adobe Suite and FCP open all at the same time. 4 gigs of RAM helps. I would suggest it to anyone. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 2 yr old 2GHz, 2GB ram, 128MB video card, first revision MBP and I use it every day for editing HD video. I love it. I would love to have a new MacPro but I don't want to sacrifice portability and I can't afford one as a second machine. I'll probably keep this one another year and wait for the next generation of processors - http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/19/intel-outlines-next-generation-processors-nehalem-due-in-late-2008/ - Verdi On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: love it bah! long live the glorious PC and Windows down with the evil cult of Mac, did you know that it's all those mac people who are creating all the computer viris's? And they are also responable for global warming, and they snore alot and have bad breath! Man.I really wish I had bought a mac, go for it! Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: I have a Macbook Pro and I love it (love it love it). It's the first mac I've ever owned, so I can't really compare it to others for you but I can tell you how mine has performed... I have the 2.4 GHz (Intel Core 2 Duo) with 2 GB of RAM (I assume you meant to say yours would have 4GB no MB) Mine preforms very well. Last night I exporting a 5minute 480x270 multi-pass H.264 mp4 at 600kb with 192kbps stereo sound ... while I didn't actually time it I can remember / guess at this much: * it initially said it was going to take 20some minutes but didn't actually take nearly that long * It probably took 7-10 minutes? (I'm a pretty bad guesser of such things but ...) * It wasn't long enough that I even bothered walking away from the computer. Sometimes when I have a more complex edit with lots of filters in FCE, the real time rendering isn't great, but hitting option-r does a very quick render of the timeline for you. I'm sure there will be projects where you'll want/need go off to do something else while it exports ... but I've still always felt that my lil' macbook pro's export times fall well within expected and reasonable time frames. I have the glossy screen, and I really like it, but the glossy/matte issue seems to be kinda like arguing religion ... I'm not sure there really is a right answer. It's probably more about which looks better to your eye. well I dunno if any of that is helpful, but I use my Macbook Pro for all my editing/exporting now and I've not had any regrets. - Dave On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Ron Watson k9disc@ wrote: Hey everybody, I'm looking to pick up a macbook pro in the not too distant future and was hoping to get some feedback as to how the new machines are performing, and any config suggestions. I'm looking at the 15 2.4Ghz 200GB with 4 MB of ram. Any help would be appreciated... I'll be taking a trip down to the Mac store sometime soon... Questions: How is rendering time on these machines? Is there a large difference between the 2.4 Ghz and 2.5 Ghz models? What are the pros cons with the glossy display? Cheers, Ron Watson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://graymattergravy.com http://reportsfromthefuture.com http://michaelverdi.com
[videoblogging] What Video Format is Suitable for Large Screen Viewing (at a conference)
I am producing a short video for a conference on the Olympics and media freedom that takes place in Paris next week. The video will be viewed on a large screen. It doesn't need to be great quality (I'm a newbie, so it won't be!) But it should be watchable. I have recorded the interviews in mp4 on a Sanyo C40 xacti, using a Sandisk card. I can use either moviemaker or powerdirector6 software to edit. I'd like to know what format to use for the best possible quality images on a big screen. If I use videoconverter I can convert to wmv, flv, mpg, mp4, avi. With powerdirector I can save it as .mpeg1, .mpeg2, .avi., divX, avc .mpeg4. I also have powerdirector options like write back to dv tape/hdv tape (I would need to confirm whether the organizers have tape, and the appropriate screening deviceI don't) and media max (whatever that is!) Other options: I can upload it to youtube. I recall reading about a trick that made youtube less fuzzy on bigscreens, but don't know what it is. I'd appreciate any advice! jocelyn U.S. public radio/Foreign Correspondents Club media freedoms committee beijing
Re: [videoblogging] What Video Format is Suitable for Large Screen Viewing (at a conference)
Your best options (highest quality first): 1. If you have a camcorder that takes DV/HDV tapes, then write back to DV/HDV tape. Play it back with a tape desk or camcorder hooked up to the TV/projector (this may not work for you since your camcorder isn't tape-based). 2. Write to DVD MPEG2 (MPG file). Play it on a computer hoked up to a TV/projector. 3. Write to DVD MPEG2 (MPG file) and use a DVD authoring program create a DVD that you can play in a standard DVD player 4. Create a DiVX file using the DiVX High Definition Profile (should make something close to 720p quality). Play it on a computer hoked up to a TV/projector or DiVX capable DVD player. 5. Create a Windows Media file using a High Definition Profile (should make something close to 720p quality). Play it on a computer hoked up to a TV/projector. 6. Write an MP4 file (640x480) and dump it on to an iPod. A $10 cable will connect the iPod to any TV or LCD projector. Use at least two of these options. If you don't know what will be there, then take multiple formats. YouTube will look really bad on a big screen, so don't bother with that option. Good Luck ... br jocelynford wrote: I am producing a short video for a conference on the Olympics and media freedom that takes place in Paris next week. The video will be viewed on a large screen. It doesn't need to be great quality (I'm a newbie, so it won't be!) But it should be watchable. I have recorded the interviews in mp4 on a Sanyo C40 xacti, using a Sandisk card. I can use either moviemaker or powerdirector6 software to edit. I'd like to know what format to use for the best possible quality images on a big screen. If I use videoconverter I can convert to wmv, flv, mpg, mp4, avi. With powerdirector I can save it as .mpeg1, .mpeg2, .avi., divX, avc .mpeg4. I also have powerdirector options like write back to dv tape/hdv tape (I would need to confirm whether the organizers have tape, and the appropriate screening deviceI don't) and media max (whatever that is!) Other options: I can upload it to youtube. I recall reading about a trick that made youtube less fuzzy on bigscreens, but don't know what it is. I'd appreciate any advice! jocelyn U.S. public radio/Foreign Correspondents Club media freedoms committee beijing -- Brian Richardson - http://siliconchef.com - http://dragoncontv.com - http://whatthecast.com - http://www.3chip.com
[videoblogging] Re: PAL Camcorder in my NTSC world
Just as a follow up, with regards to me lookimg for a new camcorder. It's done... http://blip.tv/file/get/Moon-NewCamcorder442.mov Thanks for your input. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank for the response folks. Yes Brook, it's a used camcorder and yes there is much to be lost, but also lots to be gained. The camera is being sold as it's not been used much at all. The price is right for my budget and it's resale value, in the right PAL market, would be great. I did read about the lowlight performance, but being an old Xacti user, I'm use to poor/no lowlight video. The pluses for me are the built in light (arm-length-vlogger) and the ability to lower the shutter to 1/30 and even 1/15. It's not a perfect camcorder, for everything I'm after in a camcorder, but it's what I can afford. I need an upgrade from my Xacti C40 and this seems like a good fit. Mike --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: For the web, it won't matter. You'll just burn to PAL ratios instead of NTSC. FCP and its FCP Studio accompaniments handle PAL just fine. I have no idea about FC Express or imovie. But I would think VERY hard before getting this camera. For DVD - if you want NTSC, and you want it to look even watchable, it is possible on a mac with compressor now that its mpeg2 frame controls support more advanced motion analysis, but the time it takes to compress in this mode is just unbelievably long. And its still not going to look great. On a PAL tv, it won't look more like film - PAL is still interlaced. It's 25i, not 25p. The reason some video-to-film features were shot in PAL is because its easier to transfer 25i to 24fps film, and because PAL has slightly better resolution than NTSC. Why are you opting for a PAL HV10? PAL is usually much more expensive in an NTSC country. Is it a great deal on a used camera? I STRONGLY advise against used video cameras, especially consumer gear. The heads are the first thing to go, and they aren't cheap. You might get two good tapes before drowning in dropouts (and HDV dropouts make DV dropouts look like no big deal). You might also get very lucky, but its quite a gamble. The HV10 is also somewhat notorious for its poor low light performance. Sorry to throw cold water on anything but thought I should voice these concerns, Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
