Re: [videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
I interned with Bob Sabistion, maker of WAKING LIFe, and the animators of ASCANNER DARKLY Bob Sabiston wrote the code for his program and in my opinion is a phenomenal animator himself as well as to mention a video artist himself. The name of the program he created is called COLORENGINE. check out the DVD waking Life Bob Sabiston has a tutorial of his program in the extras. I don't know of any other program that comes close to the INTERPOLATION invloved in colorengine nor success. google= Bob Sabiston ~juancarlosgonzalez aka mrmultiple2 http;//mrmultiple2.blogspot.com From: Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:44:52 -0400 Studio Artist will do what you want. http://www.synthetik.com/ On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, juan gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I interned with Bob Sabistion, maker of WAKING LIFe, and the animators of ASCANNER DARKLY Bob Sabiston wrote the code for his program and in my opinion is a phenomenal animator himself as well as to mention a video artist himself. The name of the program he created is called COLORENGINE. Hey Juan, thanks for the info. Did you work on this film? Hey I googled Bob and found this link: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/waking_life/trailers.php Scroll down to DVD Extra: Bob Sabiston's Animation Tutorial and watch that. He shows just a bit about how the film was animated. Jack Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
Im fascinated by the progress of various affordable solutions in this field. Fully automated solutions wont give results as polished a result as that film, but I believe its possible for videobloggers to use these sorts of creative effects in a cheap/free and quick way. On both the PC and the Mac, it is progress in the field of 3D Graphics card hardware which holds most promise. In recent years, features have been added to 3D graphics cards that enable all sorts of special effect to be handled quickly and at high resolution by the 3D card. These effects may not look like they are anything to do with 3D of any kind, but they still use the 3D cards power to give impressive results. It is taking quite a long time for this stuff to get to a useable level, and for peoples computers to have enough power. But its getting there. I see VJing software on the PC and Mac start to use this stuff. Part of the plan for my (stalled) videoblog is to show videos of this stuff in action, because a lot of it isnt very well known or immediately useable/obvious to all people from non-VJing backgrounds. A major problem with most solutions is that unlike editing software, they arent often designed to handle audio, because VJs often use silent clips. Anyway if you have a Mac with Tiger then there is a free solution of sorts, or at least half a solution. Quartz Composer is a free Tiger developer tool that enables you to harness various core image and video things and do things like create screensavers, and apply special effects to video in realtime. Heres some examples that someone has created, examples such as ComicBook3 and Watercolour provide results that are not a million miles away from that film, though obviously not the same. http://www.samkass.com/blog/ These are the sorts of effects I was using ages ago in the flashmeeting videoconference to distort myself in realtime. Anyway they are not complete solutions, but show the potential. On the PC the same sort of technology can be accessed through DirectX shader stuff, but I dont have any decent free examples, I use a few commercial VJ softwares to access this stuff, but its still in its infancy until more people share shader code for different effects. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah this is the second film that Richard Linklater has done like this. The first was Waking Life in 2001. It's a pretty incredible technique. You can shoot really low budget because the rotoscoping is really what you see on screen. I know that the way Waking Life was done is with a custom solution developed by an Austin TX company called Flat Black Films and it's based on Quicktime. There were promises of making a commercial version of the App but I dunno what happened to that plan, because as far as I know it never happened. Even so even with this software the process is very labor intenisive. Each frame is digitally hand drawn. The closest thing I could come up with was importing movies into Flash and then using the (inadiquate) flash vector tools to trace each frame. This was the most effecent way I could come up with and it wasn't pretty. There are ways of getting an animated looking effect that are much less labor intensive either using photoshop actions and quicktime or right within Final Cut Pro. But none of them really look as good as the look you're going for. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rich, You sure are making me do a lot of Google searches this morning. That movie looks really cool: http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/ascannerdarkly.html On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: Okay, so now I sound like a complete dweeb. The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
That's a Great link Jack. You can find more info about Bob Sabiston at his website. http://flatblackfilms.com/ His contact info is available to. No I didnt work on Ascanner Darkly,, but I'm so so excited to see it. I saw Waking Life like 50 times. I interned in 2004 before Ascanner Darkly hit production. I worked on another project, a trailer for a movie of awesomely bizzare, absurd, funny situations and fantastical scifi elements. I haven't heard what came of the project. I assume it got shelved because Ascanner Darkly hit production and now Release. juan carlos gonzalez http://mrmultiple2.blogspot.com From: Jack Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:17:23 - --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, juan gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I interned with Bob Sabistion, maker of WAKING LIFe, and the animators of ASCANNER DARKLY Bob Sabiston wrote the code for his program and in my opinion is a phenomenal animator himself as well as to mention a video artist himself. The name of the program he created is called COLORENGINE. Hey Juan, thanks for the info. Did you work on this film? Hey I googled Bob and found this link: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/waking_life/trailers.php Scroll down to DVD Extra: Bob Sabiston's Animation Tutorial and watch that. He shows just a bit about how the film was animated. Jack SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rich Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please forgive me if this has been asked prior. I would like to take some home vid's and convert them or portions to the retorgraphics look. Can anyone tell me if this is possible on a home budget? How would I do this and what do I need? Thanks in advance. DOH!! I meant rotoscope. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
Hi Rich, You sure are making me do a lot of Google searches this morning. That movie looks really cool: http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/ascannerdarkly.html On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: Okay, so now I sound like a complete dweeb. The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
Check this demo: http://www.synthetik.com/Gallery/Victormovpages/Vect1high.htm On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
Studio Artist will do what you want. http://www.synthetik.com/ On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Studio Artist will do what you want. http://www.synthetik.com/ That's the route I'd go. They have had nice gallery examples in the past. If your budget is lower than that you'll probably have to export your video to frames and batch process it with a painter or photoshop filter. a filter could get you most of the way before you start retouching by hand. Dan R On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Studio Artist will do what you want. Yeah, it will and it looks real cool. Technically I don't think it's really rotoscoping though (they call it auto-rotoscoping). It's more like filtering and posterizing the frames. Real rotoscoping is tracing a real video. It's not for everybody as tracing 30 or even 15 frames per second of video is a huge job. If that's what you want you'll end up with a more hand- made type of look (after hours and hours of work). If you have Quicktime Pro you can export a movie as an image sequence. Then import the images into Photoshop or another graphics program and trace, color, or even posterize away. You'll end up with a folder full of images that you can then turn back into a movie with Quicktime Pro. There are probably other ways to do this and if anyone knows I'd like to hear them. I've used this method to make a shaky sequence steady (you have to crop the image too), but like I said if you are not the patient type any type of frame by frame process is agonizing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
Yeah this is the second film that Richard Linklater has done like this. The first was Waking Life in 2001. It's a pretty incredible technique. You can shoot really low budget because the rotoscoping is really what you see on screen. I know that the way Waking Life was done is with a custom solution developed by an Austin TX company called Flat Black Films and it's based on Quicktime. There were promises of making a commercial version of the App but I dunno what happened to that plan, because as far as I know it never happened. Even so even with this software the process is very labor intenisive. Each frame is digitally hand drawn. The closest thing I could come up with was importing movies into Flash and then using the (inadiquate) flash vector tools to trace each frame. This was the most effecent way I could come up with and it wasn't pretty. There are ways of getting an animated looking effect that are much less labor intensive either using photoshop actions and quicktime or right within Final Cut Pro. But none of them really look as good as the look you're going for. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rich, You sure are making me do a lot of Google searches this morning. That movie looks really cool: http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/ascannerdarkly.html On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: Okay, so now I sound like a complete dweeb. The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: home video in retrographics
Yeah a lot of that stuff looks like things you can do within FCP or just photoshop actions and quicktime. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check this demo: http://www.synthetik.com/Gallery/Victormovpages/Vect1high.htm On Oct 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Rich Hand wrote: The thing I am trying to do is make my digital video look like the animated like version similar to the recent Keanu Reeves film A Scanner Darkly. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
