Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Alex Balashov 
Well, that's widespread enough that even Kamailio's TM has an option for it:

‎http://kamailio.org/docs/modules/4.3.x/modules/tm.html#tm.p.disable_6xx_block

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From: Brooks Bridges
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 14:14
To: VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

"6xx codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a 
number can't be reached by any other means globally."

Yet vendors build hardware that still route advances on a 6XX... (yes, I'm 
looking at you, Sonus) *grumble*

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El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:04 AM
To: Peter E
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Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

I see 404 fairly commonly used to indicate "I don't have a route for this". 6xx 
codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a number 
can't be reached by any other means globally.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Joseph Jackson 
We only give 503's for destinations not in route.  If the term provider gives 
us a 404 we pass that along.

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From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:47 PM
To: James Milko
Cc: VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

Can't a 404 sometimes be taken as evidence that an intermediate network element 
(e.g. a wholesale provider's LCR) doesn't have the destination in route?

Or do they just return the all-encompassing 503 in those cases?
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From: James Milko
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 13:43
To: Alex Balashov
Cc: Paul Timmins; VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Brooks Bridges 
"6xx codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a 
number can't be reached by any other means globally."

Yet vendors build hardware that still route advances on a 6XX... (yes, I'm 
looking at you, Sonus)  *grumble*

Brooks Bridges | Sr. Voice Services Engineer
O1 Communications
5190 Golden Foothill Pkwy 
El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
office: 916.235.2097 | main: 888.444., Option 2
email: bbrid...@o1.com | web: www.o1.com

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From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:04 AM
To: Peter E
Cc: VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

I see 404 fairly commonly used to indicate "I don't have a route for this". 6xx 
codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a number 
can't be reached by any other means globally.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Peter E 
Not usually an issue for us. Occasionally an intermediate carrier hosted a 
number at one time and didn't u provision it when they lost the customer, but 
that's fairly rare these days. So I agree, 404's are fairly reliable for us.

On Oct 21, 2015, at 13:46, Alex Balashov  wrote:

Can't a 404 sometimes be taken as evidence that an intermediate network element 
(e.g. a wholesale provider's LCR) doesn't have the destination in route?

Or do they just return the all-encompassing 503 in those cases?
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To: Alex Balashov
Cc: Paul Timmins; VoiceOps
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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Alex Balashov 
I see 404 fairly commonly used to indicate "I don't have a route for this". 6xx 
codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a number 
can't be reached by any other means globally.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread James Milko 
We've found 404 to be extremely reliable when received from upstream
carriers.  It's one of the very few codes that we don't route advance on
because we found that calls never compete if someone hands back a 404.

JM



On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Alex Balashov 
wrote:

> ‎Thanks. And I'm guessing the best one can hope for from a SIP termination
> provider is an ambiguous 404, or, more likely, a 503, which seems to have
> become misused an opaque, catch-all epithet for any and all completion
> failures?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Alex Balashov 
Can't a 404 sometimes be taken as evidence that an intermediate network element 
(e.g. a wholesale provider's LCR) doesn't have the destination in route?

Or do they just return the all-encompassing 503 in those cases?
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  Original Message  
From: James Milko
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 13:43
To: Alex Balashov
Cc: Paul Timmins; VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Paul Timmins 
If this was true, why does ISUP 1 map to 404 by standard?

On Oct 21, 2015 2:13 PM, Brooks Bridges  wrote:
>
> "6xx codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a 
> number can't be reached by any other means globally." 
>
> Yet vendors build hardware that still route advances on a 6XX... (yes, I'm 
> looking at you, Sonus)  *grumble* 
>
> Brooks Bridges | Sr. Voice Services Engineer 
> O1 Communications 
> 5190 Golden Foothill Pkwy 
> El Dorado Hills, CA 95762 
> office: 916.235.2097 | main: 888.444., Option 2 
> email: bbrid...@o1.com | web: www.o1.com 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex 
> Balashov 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:04 AM 
> To: Peter E 
> Cc: VoiceOps 
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP 
>
> I see 404 fairly commonly used to indicate "I don't have a route for this". 
> 6xx codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a 
> number can't be reached by any other means globally. 
>
> -- 
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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Brooks Bridges 
Every Sonus switch I've encountered in the wild would always route advance to 
the next gateway on the trunk group if I returned a 603 to it, and I'm just 
grousing about that behavior specifically.  A 404 feels like it's a little 
incorrect, as it says " The server has definitive information that the user 
does not exist at the domain specified in the Request-URI", however in this 
case it certainly does *exist*, it's just not allocated at this time.  From a 
purely logical perspective, a 603 feels more accurate for a number I own but 
isn't allocated because I'm declining to take the call ("choosing not to 
participate") and I know no one else will be able to connect it either since I 
own that number.

I did eventually have to resort to returning a 404 to make it work the way it's 
supposed to, but it's still annoying.  Sonus (or anyone else for that matter) 
shouldn't be route advancing on a status code that explicitly states "do not 
try any other endpoints".

Brooks Bridges | Sr. Voice Services Engineer
O1 Communications
5190 Golden Foothill Pkwy 
El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
office: 916.235.2097 | main: 888.444., Option 2
email: bbrid...@o1.com | web: www.o1.com


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From: Paul Timmins [mailto:p...@timmins.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:06 PM
To: Brooks Bridges
Cc: VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

If this was true, why does ISUP 1 map to 404 by standard?

On Oct 21, 2015 2:13 PM, Brooks Bridges  wrote:
>
> "6xx codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a 
> number can't be reached by any other means globally." 
>
> Yet vendors build hardware that still route advances on a 6XX... (yes, 
> I'm looking at you, Sonus)  *grumble*
>
> Brooks Bridges | Sr. Voice Services Engineer
> O1 Communications
> 5190 Golden Foothill Pkwy
> El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
> office: 916.235.2097 | main: 888.444., Option 2
> email: bbrid...@o1.com | web: www.o1.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of 
> Alex Balashov
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:04 AM
> To: Peter E
> Cc: VoiceOps
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP
>
> I see 404 fairly commonly used to indicate "I don't have a route for this". 
> 6xx codes are supposed to be used to indicate definitive knowledge that a 
> number can't be reached by any other means globally. 
>
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[VoiceOps] Broadsoft to Netsapiens

2015-10-21 Thread Colton Conor 
Wondering if anyone has made the transition from a Broadsoft platform to a
Netsapiens platform? If so, was wondering what Broadsoft has if anything
that Netsapiens does not? Overall I am very impressed with the Netsapiens
platform, but I am unsure what is missing in their platform. Is there
anything that Netsapiens does not do well that Broadsoft does or vice
versa?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

2015-10-21 Thread Nathan Anderson 
What is it that they say?  "In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In 
practice, they are not."

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From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 7:57 PM
To: Peter E
Cc: VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Disconnected numbers and SIP

Yeah, looked at that. I meant more from a "de facto" / what vendors actually do 
perspective, which, as you know, has tenuous attachment to the RFCs. :-)
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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 22:55
To: Alex Balashov
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