Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog notes 60 Minutes
If you don't realize that it's happening, the spinning of lies and coverups is seductive, since we ourselves might be tempted to excuse even the most dishonest of anti-CF bigotry as just people people being human. Hey Steve K, you say in http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/ColdFusionProblem.shtml that The cold fusion problem is not a science problem; it was, and still is, a human problem. This phrase creeped me out when I read it weeks ago, and only today I realized why. When scientists try to cover their mistakes with dishonest tricks and spin tactics, it might be wise to avoid describing the situation as a human problem, since it carries the suggestion: it's OK, since they're only human. If the problem is with corrupt experts, with physicists being dishonest, there must be some way to say just that. For the same reason, we'd never describe a corrupt government by saying it's not a government problem, it's a human problem. Hey Bill...good thoughts. I appreciate your critical eye on this. I certainly did not intend to excuse what happened as merely a behavioral problem but I can see how it can be interpreted that way. I will put some thought into updating the file. In the meantime, I can offer you another piece that explicitly identifies some of the humans and exposes the problems they created. http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/ColdFusionShortStory.shtml Steve
Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog notes 60 Minutes
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Steven Krivit wrote: In the meantime, I can offer you another piece that explicitly identifies some of the humans and exposes the problems they created. http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/ColdFusionShortStory.shtml Excellent! Here's something nobody ever mentions, and which I never noticed until Scott Little pointed it out long ago: it requires weeks to initially load a Pd electrode (essentially converting the whole thing into palladium hydride.) Yet those famous first damning failures to replicate were announced in that time, or less. Doesn't this prove that MIT (etc.) only made a *single* replication attempt? Wouldn't an honest lab have given several tries before giving up? Perhaps it even suggests that they performed the experiment entirely wrong, and didn't load their electrodes near 100% before suddenly announcing that the experiment didn't work. A person suspecting dishonest actions might even wonder if they started to become frightned that it *would* work, so they turned it off early and hoped nobody would ever check their announcement dates and figure it out. Anyway, in addition to the mysteriously altered baseline, bringing up this date discrepancy might make a nice little nail in the coffin when discussing the shennanigans surrounding the sudden debunker attacks first mounted against PF. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
No, its to avoid putting additional co2 and other such chemicals into the environment. the algae is all gas that has been removed from the environment. nice cycle. Remember, those of use that actually use logic know that a single approach will not work. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote: - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Monday, April 27, 2009 0:57 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:45:08 - 0400:Hi, [snip] If you want a reliable and continous supply of power, solar and wind will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the generated power cost effectively. [snip] As already discussed frequently on this list, solar can be captured and stored using algae. This is essentially what we are already using when we burn coal. We would just be shortening the cycle time from millions of years to months. While wind and solar don't actually supply continuous electric power, they are also not as bad as you might think. To start with wind may be variable, but if connected to a continent wide grid, then the wind is always blowing somewhere,which helps to reduce the size of the bumps and hollows. Solar would supply direct power only during the day, but then that is also when most power is needed. At night, energy stored in the form of biomass could supplement that supplied by wind, to ensure a continuous supply. Furthermore, as I have also pointed out in the past, it should prove both feasible and cheap to store energy as heat underground in molten salt. At the temperature at which common table salt melts, the Carnot efficiency could be as high as 62%. This could provide a means of storing solar energy through the night at a cost up to 1000 times less than that of lead-acid batteries.If the solar energy is collected in a desert where there is very little cloud cover from day to day, then storage for much more than a day would be unnecessary, particularly if multiple solar plants contributed, that were geographically widely distributed. Then there are also other clean power sources that can contribute during the night - hydro, tidal, geothermal. In short, by utilizing an effective mix of different clean sources, a reliable power supply can be achieved, without fossil fuels, if we really wanted to. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk Isn't the point of adopting solar and wind power to avoid burning combustibles? Growing a biomass like algae as a source of fuel seems to defeat this. On the other hand if we eat the algae... harry
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
On Apr 26, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: If you want a reliable and continous supply of power, solar and wind will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the generated power cost effectively. Harry Here are some thoughts along those lines: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/HotCold.pdf Also, electrolysis efficiencies may be near ideal soon, so bulk hydrogen storage is likely a viable option for utility energy storage. Home energy storage systems, as well as EV car batteries and smart meters, can be expected to be additional means of smoothing variations in demand and supply, and utilizing home PV or wind systems as well. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you want a reliable and continuous supply of power, solar and wind will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the generated power cost effectively. Harry Same deal as regards to ekonomies of skale, as I alluded to -- and most certainly with such an important projekt as getting Humanity weened off karbon fuels. For that matter, all these resources should be taken away from the present building of a military police state, and ploughed into exactly this program. And Buckminster Fuller realized one part of this goal decades ago: that part of the storage/efficiency problem was obviated by the fact that a World-wide energy grid would be making use of off-peak generation on one side of the Planet to direct it to the other side of the Planet -- where it happened to be needed at just that time. And a World-wide infrastrukture projekt like that is reason enuff for Socialism. ; Of course, the reality of cold-fusion-in-a-can would change that dynamik considerably. ;P - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn1vpQACgkQXo3EtEYbt3H69wCgiNuR101cIIrHypn1PCiO6nDX OZEAoIiaMeLrl2hsRVv4KLV9icsenPc0 =+Ca+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog notes 60 Minutes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Here's something nobody ever mentions, and which I never noticed until Scott Little pointed it out long ago: it requires weeks to initially load a Pd electrode (essentially converting the whole thing into palladium hydride.) Yet those famous first damning failures to replicate were announced in that time, or less. Doesn't this prove that MIT (etc.) only made a *single* replication attempt? Wouldn't an honest lab have given several tries before giving up? Perhaps it even suggests that they performed the experiment entirely wrong, and didn't load their electrodes near 100% before suddenly announcing that the experiment didn't work. A person suspecting dishonest actions might even wonder if they started to become frightned that it *would* work, so they turned it off early and hoped nobody would ever check their announcement dates and figure it out. Anyway, in addition to the mysteriously altered baseline, bringing up this date discrepancy might make a nice little nail in the coffin when discussing the shennanigans surrounding the sudden debunker attacks first mounted against PF. A main reason I never became a scientist myself (my orginal life goal) is for the same reason I am not awed by the power of the bourgeois state: at an early age I learned a certain contempt for the reality of what scientists by-and-large actually are (in the present social setup), as people and as professionals. - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn10RcACgkQXo3EtEYbt3FFDgCgrabOZdMZ/AGOUDmLuVmYATGt 5qEAn0ruuJGaIOcmohcsVfxl9RZmeZzJ =nw73 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Vo]:What's New Friday Apr, 24, 2009
WHAT’S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 24 Apr 09 Washington, DC 1. COLD FUSION: PLEASE, MAY I HAVE A CUP OF TEA? Last Sunday's edition of the CBS News program 60 Minutes was titled Race to Fusion. It was 1989, Fleischmann and Pons are shown with the cold fusion test tube that would have killed them had they been right. Because they lived, the race was called off. Michael McKubre of SRI apparently didn’t get the memo; he just kept doing it over and over for 20 years. Lucky for him there’s still no fusion, but he says he does get heat – except when he doesn't. How does it work? He hasn’t a clue, but he showed a video cartoon of deuterium defusing through palladium and said it might be fusion. In fact McKubre called it the most powerful source of energy known to man. Whew! But wait, Dick Garwin did a fusion experiment 60 years ago; it worked all too well. Garwin thinks McKubre is mistaken. Just about every physicist agrees, so the American Physical Society was asked to name an independent scientist to examine the claims of Energetics Technology, according to 60 Min correspondent Scott Pelley. An APS statement issued Wed. says this is totally false, and the APS does not endorse the cold fusion claims on 60 Min. (Aside: This morning I thought I should watch the video on the 60 Min web site one more time. Drat! CBS took it off. No matter, there’s a full transcript. Uh oh! The part where CBS says the APS picked Rob Duncan to look into the ET SuperWave is gone. CBS can change history? My God, time travel! Now that is powerful.) 2. SUPERWAVE: IMPALED ON THE SHARP STAKE OF REPLICATION. Rob Duncan, vice chancellor of research at the University of Missouri, went to Israel with 60 Minutes to visit Energetics Technologies, which claims SuperWave Fusion will solve the energy problem. It shouldn’t be necessary to remind scientists that neither visiting a laboratory, nor peer reviewing a manuscript, is enough. There must be independent replication of the ET claims. Without replication, the claims are nothing. The genius behind ET is the CVO, Chief Visionary Officer, Irving Dardik, MD. Dardik got into cold fusion after losing his license to practice medicine in New York. It puts us in mind of Randy Mills of BlackLight Power, another MD who says he can solve the energy problem. Is SuperWave Fusion another scam? 3. PLAN B: AT WHAT AGE IS CONTRACEPTION AN EMERGENCY? A cruel FDA ruling in the Bush years was to deny to women under 18 over-the- counter access to Plan B. Assistant FDA Commissioner Susan Wood resigned in protest, http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN05/wn090205.html . The policy was expected to change in the Obama Administration, but surprisingly the change was ordered by a federal court first. A federal judge ruled that the policy was based solely on politics. In fact, it had been opposed by virtually the entire staff at FDA. The new ruling extends access to 17- year- olds. But why stop there? Motherhood‘s an even greater problem at 16 and greater still at 15, nor would it get any easier to confide in a parent. 4. ALTERNATIVE ENERGY: WE CAN’T STORE WIND AND SUNLIGHT. An op-ed in today’s Washington Post coauthored by James Schlesinger, the first Secretary of Energy, makes the obvious point that although wind and solar power can produce as much energy as we now use, they can’t be expected to supply it when we need it. For the foreseeable future we will require a backup source. That adds to the cost. Maybe we should be thinking more about superconducting energy storage. THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be.
RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
This all sounds great, but let's see someone do it competitively on a large scale before pinning our hopes on it. Jeff -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:45:08 -0400: Hi, [snip] If you want a reliable and continous supply of power, solar and wind will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the generated power cost effectively. [snip] As already discussed frequently on this list, solar can be captured and stored using algae. This is essentially what we are already using when we burn coal. We would just be shortening the cycle time from millions of years to months. While wind and solar don't actually supply continuous electric power, they are also not as bad as you might think. To start with wind may be variable, but if connected to a continent wide grid, then the wind is always blowing somewhere, which helps to reduce the size of the bumps and hollows. Solar would supply direct power only during the day, but then that is also when most power is needed. At night, energy stored in the form of biomass could supplement that supplied by wind, to ensure a continuous supply. Furthermore, as I have also pointed out in the past, it should prove both feasible and cheap to store energy as heat underground in molten salt. At the temperature at which common table salt melts, the Carnot efficiency could be as high as 62%. This could provide a means of storing solar energy through the night at a cost up to 1000 times less than that of lead-acid batteries. If the solar energy is collected in a desert where there is very little cloud cover from day to day, then storage for much more than a day would be unnecessary, particularly if multiple solar plants contributed, that were geographically widely distributed. Then there are also other clean power sources that can contribute during the night - hydro, tidal, geothermal. In short, by utilizing an effective mix of different clean sources, a reliable power supply can be achieved, without fossil fuels, if we really wanted to. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Solar electric, I read, uses indium which is in short supply and isn't even mineable. The production process releases some kind of hexafluoride chemical that causes an atmospheric problem. The panels use more electricity to produce than they save over a lifetime. They deteriorate over time. There are overwhelming transmission losses in any grid that could get the power from the day side of the planet to the night side. Need I go on? These are certainly serious issues. Perhaps even insurmountable ones. However -- I don't believe they are. The pollution issue, for instance is almost certainly only one tied to profit motive. And certainly as well: economies of scale would cut down production costs. And is it even really true solar cells never produce as much electricity as their manufacture consumes? Frankly, I find that hard to believe. Besides too -- not all solar tek uses rare elements, etc. Cheap, replaceable ones are a real possibility. These are technical problems that could some day be overcome. My point is: They are here and now serious problems, and afaik their solutions are not on the horizon. The point is, again: to develop ekonomies of skale. And be serious about this. You're not really focusing on that. The horizon is here. The time is now. Some day is today. The matter is no longer hypothetical, even if capitalist governments still have their collective selfish heads up their fat asses... I'm a slow typist. Let me know if I must respond to solar thermal and wind power to. What -- they have problems too..?? ;P These alternatives cannot compete economically with present generating methods unless they are heavily subsidized by the government. So we have a choice. We can pay $1.00 per kwh to the power company or pay some portion of it to the tax man. Which do you prefer? History is replete with examples of necessary government subsidization of teknologikal research. Indeed: much of capitalist tek business would not today exist if Big Government hadn't footed the bill with *public money* for research up front, first. Free Market shills going on about let the Market decide, yadda, are just that. What we require in fact is the equivalent of an energy Manhattan Project. Controlled energy, that is. ;P - --grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn2YVkACgkQXo3EtEYbt3FxPwCfWGKIrC5fEeADjBknfgFGGyGB /ZYAnRsJvKZPIQz/Lj39xQ3r4QezIXsA =BFnw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
Hydro! Are you kidding? All the good remaining sites are protected by the Sierra Club. Even small hydro installations across the country have been decommissioned by the dozens over the last 50 years. I remember driving past the abandoned Bells Island Hydro plant on the James River in Richmond VA. It was already history by 1975. Dams on US streams are being routinely removed to reestablish fish migrations. Tell me how can any new hydro project ever pass an environmental impact study! Jeff -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear Then there are also other clean power sources that can contribute during the night - hydro, tidal, geothermal. In short, by utilizing an effective mix of different clean sources, a reliable power supply can be achieved, without fossil fuels, if we really wanted to. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi writer can do it. Jeff I thought massive superconducting DC cables were the way to go there. Seriously. - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn2YgwACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GDJgCgwEozgMMEs0RuZKCMeQMCSo1X RpMAoIPJfJ8BDpzaTCK+j+Bo434TlOyL =7GI2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
FW: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
-Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:rev...@ptd.net] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:32 PM To: 'g...@resist.ca' Subject: RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi writer can do it. Jeff -Original Message- From: grok [mailto:g...@resist.ca] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you want a reliable and continuous supply of power, solar and wind will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the generated power cost effectively. Harry Same deal as regards to ekonomies of skale, as I alluded to -- and most certainly with such an important projekt as getting Humanity weened off karbon fuels. For that matter, all these resources should be taken away from the present building of a military police state, and ploughed into exactly this program. And Buckminster Fuller realized one part of this goal decades ago: that part of the storage/efficiency problem was obviated by the fact that a World-wide energy grid would be making use of off-peak generation on one side of the Planet to direct it to the other side of the Planet -- where it happened to be needed at just that time. And a World-wide infrastrukture projekt like that is reason enuff for Socialism. ; Of course, the reality of cold-fusion-in-a-can would change that dynamik considerably. ;P - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn1vpQACgkQXo3EtEYbt3H69wCgiNuR101cIIrHypn1PCiO6nDX OZEAoIiaMeLrl2hsRVv4KLV9icsenPc0 =+Ca+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
FW: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
-Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:rev...@ptd.net] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:21 PM To: 'g...@resist.ca' Subject: RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear Solar electric, I read, uses indium which is in short supply and isn't even mineable. The production process releases some kind of hexafluoride chemical that causes an atmospheric problem. The panels use more electricity to produce than they save over a lifetime. They deteriorate over time. There are overwhelming transmission losses in any grid that could get the power from the day side of the planet to the night side. Need I go on? These are technical problems that could some day be overcome. My point is: They are here and now serious problems, and afaik their solutions are not on the horizon. I'm a slow typist. Let me know if I must respond to solar thermal and wind power to. These alternatives cannot compete economically with present generating methods unless they are heavily subsidized by the government. So we have a choice. We can pay $1.00 per kwh to the power company or pay some portion of it to the tax man. Which do you prefer? -Original Message- From: grok [mailto:g...@resist.ca] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Solar and wind are obviously not it for numerous reasons already posted on this forum. What are the main reasons, again? I'm not aware of any inherent ones, despite claims to the contrary. For instance: AFAIC we could blanket the Sahara with solar arrays and solar chimneys, etc. Lower costs come with mass-production and are not an issue, AFAIC. And there are no inherent pollution issues AFAIC, either -- tho' these do exist today under present profit-grubbing ekonomik regimes. - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn0u8EACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GOugCdECvmcjXX/jkTAB3A8gPvLwNK UBQAniSlnn2m+OEceTMLNof87JSbrL2q =IoCc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:27:10 -0400: Hi, This all sounds great, but let's see someone do it competitively on a large scale before pinning our hopes on it. I'm not pinning my hopes on it, nor do I expect it to be competitive. I only stated that it was possible. Personally, I tend to think of if more as a last resort. If you want competitive, then support my fusion device. ;) (The cost of the experimental prototype is trivial for any significant business, and the potential rewards are, quite literally, immeasurable). [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:54:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] Hydro! Are you kidding? All the good remaining sites are protected by the Sierra Club. Even small hydro installations across the country have been decommissioned by the dozens over the last 50 years. I remember driving past the abandoned Bells Island Hydro plant on the James River in Richmond VA. It was already history by 1975. Dams on US streams are being routinely removed to reestablish fish migrations. Tell me how can any new hydro project ever pass an environmental impact study! [snip] As mentioned in my reply to your other post, I see this more as a last resort, which would likely only be used if people get desperate enough. In that situation, hydro might make a comeback, just as there is currently a tendency for nuclear to make a comeback. Besides, I didn't say anything about new hydro, just that it could be part of the mix - as it is now. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:55:24 -0700: Hi, [snip] I thought massive superconducting DC cables were the way to go there. Seriously. [snip] That could work, but I think we would first need another breakthrough in high temperature superconductivity to significantly reduce the cost. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: FW: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:57:17 -0400: Hi, [snip] Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi writer can do it. Jeff [snip] Actually it might be possible using the electrosphere, since you mention Tesla. :) A connection could be made using UV lasers to ionize channels through the lower atmosphere up to the electrosphere. Of course this sort of thing is fraught with potential problems, not least of which would be completely upsetting the weather on a World wide scale. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:What's New Friday Apr, 24, 2009
Harry Veeder wrote: WHAT’S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 24 Apr 09 Washington, DC Parksie pontificated, or should I say bloviated. 1. COLD FUSION: PLEASE, MAY I HAVE A CUP OF TEA? Energetics Technology, according to 60 Min correspondent Scott Pelley. An APS statement issued Wed. says this is totally false, and the APS does not endorse the cold fusion claims on 60 Min. (Aside: This morning I thought I should watch the video on the 60 Min web site one more time. Drat! CBS took it off. No matter, there’s a full transcript. Uh oh! The part where CBS says the APS picked Rob Duncan to look into the ET SuperWave is gone. CBS can change history? My God, time travel! Now that is powerful.) I think it's obvious that the endorsement of the APS is not in the same league as heating water, which is what SWF proposes to do. True to form, Parksie attaches more significance to the former rather than the latter, why am I not surprised? THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net mounted the barricade and roared out: That's a whole lot of expensive cooling (huge operating costs). If we can do all of these things for a buck a KWH, I'd say we were doing good. My electric bill is already over $100 /mo. I can't afford to pay a thousand! Can you? Jeff Ekonomies of skale, fella -- ekonomis of skale (not to mention socialist cost-accounting...) But for that matter: they apparently have working systems already operational in California and Chicago (and maybe elsewhere); so I wonder what the real-world costs of superconducting DC actually are now? In any case: cost/benefit analyses have to be done. And AFAIC, I don't see why transmission of energy that wouldn't otherwise be utilized can't be done as an interim, stop-gap measure -- and the system progressively made more efficient, as teknology advances and resources are made available. And that's only part of the equation, of course. But I wonder what the numbers actually are/would be. - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn2jCAACgkQXo3EtEYbt3HcMQCgl7YDE4Y2GjWTtwcIltE9QHUN ryUAoONdtj35e9fSwtW5S1VcUsq2ntG2 =Kq09 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I thought massive superconducting DC cables were the way to go there. Seriously. That could work, but I think we would first need another breakthrough in high temperature superconductivity to significantly reduce the cost. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk That's the ideal. But even nitrogen cooling is way cheaper than helium. 'Regular' refrigeration even moreso. - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn2jTsACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GWmgCfVC7BP7KgA1/Wk0hYQDYM0cy+ 51AAoNtoGWt8fyY9OE5gA92NLeknDgIg =yKCY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
