[Vo]:Stephen Wolfram musing on what spacetime really is

[Random Thoughts]

In his latest blog post, What Is Spacetime, Really?, Stephen gives some thought 
to what's at the bottom. Interesting ideas (it isn't turtles, BTW), but then as 
a layman I've always thought that his A New Kind of Science had something to 
say whereas many seemed to pan it.

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[Vo]:Re: Stephen Wolfram musing on what spacetime really is

[Random Thoughts]

Hmm, I guess the vortex list can't handle sending as HTML since the links seem 
to be gone. Anyhow, here they are:
http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2015/12/what-is-spacetime-really 

https://www.wolframscience.com

-- Adrian

[Vo]:to push LENR from phenomenological to phenomenal

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/12/dec-8-2015-to-push-lenr-from.html

this issue is targeting sad and angry replicators first

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Blast from the past -

[Jones Beene]

Robin - Go for it. 

Here is a site for the relevant frequencies for maximum water resonance. The
wavelength of a typical oven magnetron is unfortunately too long. For
recycling water vapor in air- a practical resonance is 183 GHz - about 100
times better than the oven, which can be achieved with a simple Gunn diode.

http://www.mwl.sci-nnov.ru/res_%20spectr_ex.html


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

Actually this invention has all that would be needed for Hydrino production.
The microwaves ionize some water molecules creating free H atoms which could
then be catalyzed by other free water molecules. The ensuing VUV and soft
x-rays help out with further ionizations.

In short I have often wondered if this might work, at least to some extent.

>Cleaning out old email, and this post turned up from 20 years ago (edited).
>Needless to say, yet another false alarm in the quest for that miracle 
>shortcut to free energy. OTOH it was definitely as green as. err.
>freshly-mowed grass.
>
>Date: 28 Oct 1995
>From: Eugene Mallove (on behalf or unnamed inventor)
>To: Vortex 
>Subject: PUBLIC DISCLOSURE - NEW INVENTION
>
>The device is an internal combustion engine in which small quantities 
>of water are turned into steam by the use of a magnetron (as found in 
>microwave ovens)..

[Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[William Beaty]

Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!

 
http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html
 http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html
 http://steornnews.com/
 https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/







 ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
billb, amasci com   UW Chem Dept,  Bagley Hall RM74
x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700

RE: [Vo]:Blast from the past -

[Jones Beene]

Robin, rather than use a piston engine for this concept, it might be
possible to convert a motorcycle turbocharger to "burn" water vapor.  These
are low-priced- check eBay. This could be closed-cycle and would probably
work best at a partial vacuum for better ionization.



Here is a site for the relevant frequencies for maximum water resonance. The
wavelength of a typical oven magnetron is unfortunately too long. For
recycling water vapor in air- a practical resonance is 183 GHz - about 100
times better than the oven, which can be achieved with a simple Gunn diode.

http://www.mwl.sci-nnov.ru/res_%20spectr_ex.html


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

Actually this invention has all that would be needed for Hydrino production.
The microwaves ionize some water molecules creating free H atoms which could
then be catalyzed by other free water molecules. The ensuing VUV and soft
x-rays help out with further ionizations.

In short I have often wondered if this might work, at least to some extent.

>Cleaning out old email, and this post turned up from 20 years ago (edited).
>Needless to say, yet another false alarm in the quest for that miracle 
>shortcut to free energy. OTOH it was definitely as green as. err.
>freshly-mowed grass.
>
>Date: 28 Oct 1995
>From: Eugene Mallove (on behalf or unnamed inventor)
>To: Vortex 
>Subject: PUBLIC DISCLOSURE - NEW INVENTION
>
>The device is an internal combustion engine in which small quantities 
>of water are turned into steam by the use of a magnetron (as found in 
>microwave ovens)..

Re: [Vo]: How many atoms to make condensed matter?

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:18 PM,  wrote:

Note that with alpha fusion some extra energy is available, so I suppose
> that in
> theory that means you could start a little lower, however that would also
> not be
> spontaneous fission, but rather triggered fission.
>

Agreed. The reference to spontaneous fission in the appendix was an
interesting detail, but the fragmentation would be induced, presumably, by
the additional energy in the compound nucleus resulting from the capture of
an alpha particle.

This is not to say that spontaneous fission might not also be a possibility
if something is increasing the tunneling probability for fission.

If you add a neutron to U238 it doesn't fission, despite the addition of 4.8
> MeV. So unless the alpha fusion releases quite a bit more than this, I
> don't
> think you are going to get much fission for lower isotopes.
>

Agreed.  Added to this picture is the assumption that something is
simultaneously increasing the rate of alpha decay, the alpha capture cross
section and the probability of fragmentation.

Note that addition of 2 D's or 4 H's yields some 20+MeV more than addition
> of an
> alpha, making such a combination much more likely to be able to trigger
> fission.
>

That would also create daughters with much higher energies.  A nice thing
about the lower energies involved in alpha captures is that the daughters
end up having ~ 300 keV/nucleon, which is not that much.  Also, 2 D's and 4
H's require 3-body and 5-body reactions, which seem improbable to me.

About the matter of the Coulomb barrier -- I like your and Dave's argument
that the Coulomb barrier should be expected to work in one direction (and
this would also seem to be implied by the shell theorem).  But Krane on
three or so occasions has written things that imply that the Coulomb
barrier works in two directions, suggesting that it's not just a
misinterpretation on my part.  One possibility here is that a side effect
of decreasing the Coulomb barrier surrounding the nucleus is that this
somehow alters the nuclear potential in a way that makes it seem as though
the Coulomb barrier works in two directions.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Blast from the past -

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sat, 28 Nov 2015 07:45:02 -0800:
Hi,

Actually this invention has all that would be needed for Hydrino production. The
microwaves ionize some water molecules creating free H atoms which could then be
catalyzed by other free water molecules. The ensuing VUV and soft x-rays help
out with further ionizations.

In short I have often wondered if this might work, at least to some extent.

>
>Cleaning out old email, and this post turned up from 20 years ago (edited).
>Needless to say, yet another false alarm in the quest for that miracle
>shortcut to free energy. OTOH it was definitely as green as. err.
>freshly-mowed grass.
>
>Date: 28 Oct 1995 
>From: Eugene Mallove (on behalf or unnamed inventor)
>To: Vortex 
>Subject: PUBLIC DISCLOSURE - NEW INVENTION
>
>The device is an internal combustion engine in which small quantities of
>water are turned into steam by the use of a magnetron (as found in microwave
>ovens)..
>
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]: How many atoms to make condensed matter?

[mixent]

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Tue, 8 Dec 2015 16:18:31 -0600:
Hi,

Note that with alpha fusion some extra energy is available, so I suppose that in
theory that means you could start a little lower, however that would also not be
spontaneous fission, but rather triggered fission.

If you add a neutron to U238 it doesn't fission, despite the addition of 4.8
MeV. So unless the alpha fusion releases quite a bit more than this, I don't
think you are going to get much fission for lower isotopes.
(Neutron addition to U235 yields 6.5 MeV, which apparently is enough, at least
for this somewhat unstable isotope.)

Note that addition of 2 D's or 4 H's yields some 20+MeV more than addition of an
alpha, making such a combination much more likely to be able to trigger fission.

>I had in mind atomic mass (i.e., nuclides in the neighborhood of
>zirconium).  I got this tidbit from Wikipedia (second paragraph):
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_fission
>
>I have now added a reference to this page in the paper.  Wikipedia shows
>"(SF)" in some cases for isotopes in this range, e.g., in the table on the
>righthand side for niobium:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niobium
>
>I think this means, "theoretically there could be spontaneous fission, but
>it hasn't been observed."  I've also been assuming that this is also the
>approximate threshold for the start of fragmentation reactions.
>
>Eric
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:LENR under Nonassociative Quantum Mechanics.

[Axil Axil]

*Physicists investigate unusual form of quantum mechanics*

*http://phys.org/news/2015-12-physicists-unusual-quantum-mechanics.html
*

*"Nonassociative quantum mechanics has been of mathematical interest for
some time (and has recently shown up in certain models of String Theory),
but it has been impossible to obtain a physical understanding,"*


The rabbit hole that is LENR might have gotten a lot deeper. A new field of
study may now have revealed itself. LENR may not follow the rules of
standard quantum mechanics; it might be described by a new form of quantum
mechanics called nonassociative quantum mechanics. In this new breed of QM,
the uncertainty principle is expanded to include many variables
simultaneously. Both momentum and position could all be squeezed as a
method of amplification. But it doesn't stop there, quantum uncertainty can
take on N variables. In such a world, it is impossible to know what would
happen in states where NQM ruled.

LENR is a candidate for NQM application since its causation might involve
monopole magnetic particles. The Surface Plasmon Polariton (SPP)is such a
particle.

NQM is currently under study in string theory, a field that we may be
required to go to understand LENR. Likewise, LENR may help the string
theorist understand what sting theory really means physically.

The SPP will be a future tool of research into NQM.

*"Fundamental monopoles are hypothetical, but there has recently been much
research on constructing condensed matter systems consisting of
quasi-particles which have properties similar to monopoles," said coauthor
Suddhasattwa Brahma. "In this setting, our new predictions may well be
testable. Our equations have to be analyzed in more detail in order to see
what should happen in the presence of magnetic fields realized in this
context, and how strong the new effects would then be. This process may
take a few years, but not much longer".*

As LENR theorists, now once again we are faced with some new and obscure
esoteric field to understand. When will we hit the bottom of the LENR
endless LENR rabbit hole?

Re: [Vo]:Steorn: Orbo 28th October 2015 Transcript from Webinar

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Marcus! Sure!

I know at least two organizations who are going to purchase one. One is in
Australia, and another is in Finland. The Finns have a crowdfund project.
https://mesenaatti.me/en/steornin-ikiliikkujatekniikan-tutkimusprojekti/ <-
I'm trying to get in to record the electromagnetic fields + activities of
both of the devices, the Ocube and the Ophone. I hope they'll sound juicy
enough to be made electronic music out of.


On 2 December 2015 at 16:14, Marcus Winckers  wrote:

> Hey Esa,
>
> I see  that you, like me, are interested in the Cube.  I  am planning on
> buying one  later in the day if possible. My christmass present for
> myself.  Shall we keep in touch and exchange thoughts and experiences?
>
> Marcus Winckers
> Utrecht
> Netherlands.
> Op 29 okt. 2015 07:38 schreef "Esa Ruoho" :
>
> If you guys like the internets more, the transcript is mirrored here:
>> http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/
>>
>>
>> On 29 October 2015 at 02:17, Esa Ruoho  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, here's my transcript of the Orbo Steorn Webinar broadcast on the
>>> 28th October 2015.
>>>
>>> If you use any of it, please credit accordingly.
>>> the video is at http://orbo.com/
>>> --
>>>
>>> Pat: Welcome to the Orbo Webinar. We're here today to introduce you to
>>> the first Orbo product, the O-Cube. Orbo is a highly controversial
>>> technology ... (Shaun places the O-Cube on the table) ..and we're going to
>>> demonstrate the functionality of the O-Cube. Before we do that, however, we
>>> want to just give you a brief flavour of who we are and the journey that
>>> we've taken over the last fifteen years.
>>> ---
>>> Shaun: So, twelve and a half years ago, yeah? Tell me, how on earth, you
>>> got into this crazy company.
>>> Pat: The beginning's actually going back fourteen years ago, because,
>>> what happened was, in 2001, I was looking to evaluate a particular piece of
>>> technology, nothing to do with Steorn.. And, I didn't know how to evaluate
>>> it, and I made a number of calls, and I was put in contact with yourselves.
>>> So, I met Mike and yourself in 2001 and you looked at the proposition, the
>>> technology we're looking at, and you evaluated it and you said look,
>>> listen, this is not, you know, something to look at.. so, that was the way
>>> it was left. And, I went to meet you then in April 2004 and the purpose of
>>> that conversation was.. ahm..
>>> Shaun: "Where's me fucking money" (laughs)
>>> Pat: Well, it wasn't, it wasn't even at that, because I knew, like, the
>>> proposition for what is.. But the point you were putting to me, was you
>>> said, "Look, we're looking for a venture capital..".. you said to me, first
>>> of all, you said to me, "I'm looking for a VC company", and what I did
>>> was.. I.. The first thing I did probably before I even looked beyond them
>>> was, I got a friend of mine who's a, you know, he's an engineer and I got
>>> him to go in and spend some time with yourself and Mike and to evaluate
>>> what it was. And.. I can remember walking out of Fumberly Court as it was
>>> on a Friday afternoon and.. the two of yous were walking along side by
>>> side.. I said "What you think?" and he just said "Can I invest?". And it
>>> was, it was kind of like that, and I said "Are you serious?" and he said,
>>> "Pat, If this is right" he said, "This is gonna to be very very serious."
>>> 
>>> Mike: So Shaun, looking a bit tired.. Understandable. Ten years
>>> defending your claims and yourself. Ahm, give us a little bit of background
>>> about Steorn, for a bit, new people tuning in today.
>>> Shaun: Steorn was a company that you and me founded, Mike. Back in 2000,
>>> and we started doing project management.. We were in the world of fruit, a
>>> lot of bananas. And then we started developing technology for others, as
>>> you know, that's when we developed forensic systems for companies like
>>> Microsoft and credit card companies, and we did expert witnessing, in,
>>> fraud..
>>> Mike: (interrupts) So you get on..
>>> Shaun: And then one day..
>>> Mike: (interrupts) And then one day you're sitting there at your desk,
>>> magnets spinning around, and you decide: "I need an ad in the Economist".
>>> Shaun: One day we made a discovery, whatever you gonna call it, a
>>> mistake, depending on where you sit, where we went, yeah, look..
>>> We can get more energy out of these bizarre magnetic fields than we're
>>> putting in, isn't that really cool? And wouldn't it be great to build
>>> something that uses this, put it in the market, and hopefully make a lot of
>>> money.
>>> ---
>>> Alex?: When I saw yous guys coming in, and meeting up after work, I
>>> realized that yous were doing a lot of brainstorming, and once I, you know,
>>> I didn't really know much about it, because I kept hearing the name Steorn,
>>> and I didn't really know how to pronounce it or anything like that, but I
>>> realized that 

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[William Beaty]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Terry Blanton wrote:

Sorry, Bill, Shaun (Sean) McCarthy just announce that they won't be
available until late January.


DON'T BUY!   Seriously.

Steorn appears to be making Volta's mistake.  (Or, it's a devious hoax 
based on Volta's mistake.)


Alessandro Volta believed that voltaic-pile batteries were free-energy 
devices, and would last forever.  He called it "electrification by 
contact."  (As opposed to his detractors' chemistry-driven theories.)


The "dry piles" of DuLuc and Zamboni appeared to support this, since they 
provide microwatts for centuries.  WHen using high-resistance electrolyte 
and such a low power-drain, it's nearly impossible to measure the amp-hour 
rating of Dry Piles by running down the battery to zero.  Dry Piles use 
paper as a solid electrolyte.


The mistake is in believing that insulators are insulating.

No, insulators are actually just electrolytic conductors of high 
resistance.  If we use carnuba/beeswax "electret wax" to form a battery, 
it will only supply power until the dissimilar metals provided by the 
electrodes are exhausted.   (Well, in theory only one plate will be 
destroyed during normal batt operation.)


So, wanna make a "Volta hoax?"

Then use a large mass of metal (lots of fuel, high amp-hours,) and use 
high-resistance solid electrolyte which prevents anyone from rapidly 
extracting kilojoules and exhausting the battery within hours.


Then include a "no repairs" clause, so when their extremely expensive and 
perfectly conventional battery stops working, nobody can complain.


---

Also, here's a cool one below, dunno if it's been discussed:

  Waller motor, electrostatic PM hoax?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q

It might genuinely operate as shown, if the plastic disk had first been 
"charged" by rubbing with fur.  If true, sell it as a toy!


Or, if fur-rubbing can't provide sufficient energy to spin the wheel, 
instead use dielectric absorption, "capacitor soakage" with a 20KVDC 
supply and wetted metal electrodes (or conductive rubber, for intimate 
surface contact with surfaces of the plastic disk.)  Deeply charge up the 
plastic disk, then add the foil rectangles later.  The "de-sorption" of 
charge from the plastic should re-charge the foil slowly, and run the 
motor perhaps for many minutes, perhaps hours.


The wood in the video would serve as a conductor, so those who build a 
plastic model would fail.   Replications:


 w/6KV supplyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s

 Fake, w/#40ga connecting wires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ

 w/VDG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI

Available again are high-volt negative-ionizer blocks, $4 power supplies, 
6K to 8K VDC, on eBay,   search eBay: anion 12v


I found that these work fine if powered by two 9V batt connected as 18V, 
and only draw excess current at input of 20V and above.  Crank the supply 
down to zero, and the KV output decreases roughly in proportion.  Build a 
many-KV variable bench supply for electrostatics.  Output below 10uA.   I 
haven't tried buying ten for series connection, and rigging up a 100KV 
supply powered by independent floating batteries.







On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, William Beaty  wrote:


Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!


http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html
 http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html
 http://steornnews.com/
 https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/







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William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
billb, amasci com   UW Chem Dept,  Bagley Hall RM74
x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700





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Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[Terry Blanton]

Sorry, Bill, Shaun (Sean) McCarthy just announce that they won't be
available until late January.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, William Beaty  wrote:
>
> Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!
>
>
> http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html
>  http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html
>  http://steornnews.com/
>  https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
> William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
> beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
> billb, amasci com   UW Chem Dept,  Bagley Hall RM74
> x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
>

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[esa ruoho]

Bill, is that based on what you read on the transcripts? They do state that it 
seems like a galvanic cell but doesn't work like it.
Also, other claims seem to be:
1- the materials are piezoelectric / receptive to ambient energy
2- not RF / energy harvesting, their layered metal thingies work inside a 
faraday cage.

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> On 09 Dec 2015, at 08:06, William Beaty  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Terry Blanton wrote:
>> Sorry, Bill, Shaun (Sean) McCarthy just announce that they won't be
>> available until late January.
> 
> DON'T BUY!   Seriously.
> 
> Steorn appears to be making Volta's mistake.  (Or, it's a devious hoax based 
> on Volta's mistake.)
> 
> Alessandro Volta believed that voltaic-pile batteries were free-energy 
> devices, and would last forever.  He called it "electrification by contact."  
> (As opposed to his detractors' chemistry-driven theories.)
> 
> The "dry piles" of DuLuc and Zamboni appeared to support this, since they 
> provide microwatts for centuries.  WHen using high-resistance electrolyte and 
> such a low power-drain, it's nearly impossible to measure the amp-hour rating 
> of Dry Piles by running down the battery to zero.  Dry Piles use paper as a 
> solid electrolyte.
> 
> The mistake is in believing that insulators are insulating.
> 
> No, insulators are actually just electrolytic conductors of high resistance.  
> If we use carnuba/beeswax "electret wax" to form a battery, it will only 
> supply power until the dissimilar metals provided by the electrodes are 
> exhausted.   (Well, in theory only one plate will be destroyed during normal 
> batt operation.)
> 
> So, wanna make a "Volta hoax?"
> 
> Then use a large mass of metal (lots of fuel, high amp-hours,) and use 
> high-resistance solid electrolyte which prevents anyone from rapidly 
> extracting kilojoules and exhausting the battery within hours.
> 
> Then include a "no repairs" clause, so when their extremely expensive and 
> perfectly conventional battery stops working, nobody can complain.
> 
> ---
> 
> Also, here's a cool one below, dunno if it's been discussed:
> 
>  Waller motor, electrostatic PM hoax?
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q 
> 
> 
> It might genuinely operate as shown, if the plastic disk had first been 
> "charged" by rubbing with fur.  If true, sell it as a toy!
> 
> Or, if fur-rubbing can't provide sufficient energy to spin the wheel, instead 
> use dielectric absorption, "capacitor soakage" with a 20KVDC supply and 
> wetted metal electrodes (or conductive rubber, for intimate surface contact 
> with surfaces of the plastic disk.)  Deeply charge up the plastic disk, then 
> add the foil rectangles later.  The "de-sorption" of charge from the plastic 
> should re-charge the foil slowly, and run the motor perhaps for many minutes, 
> perhaps hours.
> 
> The wood in the video would serve as a conductor, so those who build a 
> plastic model would fail.   Replications:
> 
> w/6KV supplyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s 
> 
> 
> Fake, w/#40ga connecting wires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ 
> 
> 
> w/VDG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI 
> 
> 
> Available again are high-volt negative-ionizer blocks, $4 power supplies, 6K 
> to 8K VDC, on eBay,   search eBay: anion 12v
> 
> I found that these work fine if powered by two 9V batt connected as 18V, and 
> only draw excess current at input of 20V and above.  Crank the supply down to 
> zero, and the KV output decreases roughly in proportion.  Build a many-KV 
> variable bench supply for electrostatics.  Output below 10uA.   I haven't 
> tried buying ten for series connection, and rigging up a 100KV supply powered 
> by independent floating batteries.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, William Beaty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html
>>> http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html
>>> http://steornnews.com/
>>> https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
>>> William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
>>> beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
>>> 

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[Esa J. Ruoho]

Http://freeenergy.news/steorn-webinar-ii-orbo-products-full-transcript/ 
Here is a transcript i wrote for webinar#2 of Steorn Orbo

And webinar#1 is at 
http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/ 

Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa.

> On 09 Dec 2015, at 01:29, William Beaty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!
> 
> http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html
> http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html
> http://steornnews.com/
> https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
> William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
> beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
> billb, amasci com   UW Chem Dept,  Bagley Hall RM74
> x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
> 

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[esa ruoho]

Bill, here's another claim from Shaun McCarthy:

A: You will never need to charge an ophone
Q: Why? What’s the reason behind it?
A: Orbo is a completely new type of battery based on the electric field rather 
than traditional batteries that are based upon chemical release of energy.

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> On 09 Dec 2015, at 08:06, William Beaty  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Terry Blanton wrote:
>> Sorry, Bill, Shaun (Sean) McCarthy just announce that they won't be
>> available until late January.
> 
> DON'T BUY!   Seriously.
> 
> Steorn appears to be making Volta's mistake.  (Or, it's a devious hoax based 
> on Volta's mistake.)
> 
> Alessandro Volta believed that voltaic-pile batteries were free-energy 
> devices, and would last forever.  He called it "electrification by contact."  
> (As opposed to his detractors' chemistry-driven theories.)
> 
> The "dry piles" of DuLuc and Zamboni appeared to support this, since they 
> provide microwatts for centuries.  WHen using high-resistance electrolyte and 
> such a low power-drain, it's nearly impossible to measure the amp-hour rating 
> of Dry Piles by running down the battery to zero.  Dry Piles use paper as a 
> solid electrolyte.
> 
> The mistake is in believing that insulators are insulating.
> 
> No, insulators are actually just electrolytic conductors of high resistance.  
> If we use carnuba/beeswax "electret wax" to form a battery, it will only 
> supply power until the dissimilar metals provided by the electrodes are 
> exhausted.   (Well, in theory only one plate will be destroyed during normal 
> batt operation.)
> 
> So, wanna make a "Volta hoax?"
> 
> Then use a large mass of metal (lots of fuel, high amp-hours,) and use 
> high-resistance solid electrolyte which prevents anyone from rapidly 
> extracting kilojoules and exhausting the battery within hours.
> 
> Then include a "no repairs" clause, so when their extremely expensive and 
> perfectly conventional battery stops working, nobody can complain.
> 
> ---
> 
> Also, here's a cool one below, dunno if it's been discussed:
> 
>  Waller motor, electrostatic PM hoax?
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q 
> 
> 
> It might genuinely operate as shown, if the plastic disk had first been 
> "charged" by rubbing with fur.  If true, sell it as a toy!
> 
> Or, if fur-rubbing can't provide sufficient energy to spin the wheel, instead 
> use dielectric absorption, "capacitor soakage" with a 20KVDC supply and 
> wetted metal electrodes (or conductive rubber, for intimate surface contact 
> with surfaces of the plastic disk.)  Deeply charge up the plastic disk, then 
> add the foil rectangles later.  The "de-sorption" of charge from the plastic 
> should re-charge the foil slowly, and run the motor perhaps for many minutes, 
> perhaps hours.
> 
> The wood in the video would serve as a conductor, so those who build a 
> plastic model would fail.   Replications:
> 
> w/6KV supplyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s 
> 
> 
> Fake, w/#40ga connecting wires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ 
> 
> 
> w/VDG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI 
> 
> 
> Available again are high-volt negative-ionizer blocks, $4 power supplies, 6K 
> to 8K VDC, on eBay,   search eBay: anion 12v
> 
> I found that these work fine if powered by two 9V batt connected as 18V, and 
> only draw excess current at input of 20V and above.  Crank the supply down to 
> zero, and the KV output decreases roughly in proportion.  Build a many-KV 
> variable bench supply for electrostatics.  Output below 10uA.   I haven't 
> tried buying ten for series connection, and rigging up a 100KV supply powered 
> by independent floating batteries.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, William Beaty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html
>>> http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html
>>> http://steornnews.com/
>>> https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
>>> William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
>>> beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
>>> billb, amasci com   UW Chem 

Re: [Vo]: How many atoms to make condensed matter?

[Eric Walker]

I had in mind atomic mass (i.e., nuclides in the neighborhood of
zirconium).  I got this tidbit from Wikipedia (second paragraph):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_fission

I have now added a reference to this page in the paper.  Wikipedia shows
"(SF)" in some cases for isotopes in this range, e.g., in the table on the
righthand side for niobium:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niobium

I think this means, "theoretically there could be spontaneous fission, but
it hasn't been observed."  I've also been assuming that this is also the
approximate threshold for the start of fragmentation reactions.

Eric


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:53 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:20:18 -0600:
> Hi Eric,
>
> In the sentence "Spontaneous fission becomes energetically possible at
> atomic
> masses greater than 92."
> Do mean "masses" or "numbers". IOW are you talking about Uranium and up, or
> upward of about Zirconium?
>
> >For those who have had the patience to follow the argument this far, here
> >is a paper that goes into further detail on the general idea:
> >
> >https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKtdce19-wySFBVLXJET3k2TlU
> >
> >There should be a "download" link at the top that will allow it to be
> >downloaded as a PDF.  I am particularly happy with the appendix.
> >
> >Eric
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]: How many atoms to make condensed matter?

[mixent]

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:20:18 -0600:
Hi Eric,

In the sentence "Spontaneous fission becomes energetically possible at atomic
masses greater than 92." 
Do mean "masses" or "numbers". IOW are you talking about Uranium and up, or
upward of about Zirconium?

>For those who have had the patience to follow the argument this far, here
>is a paper that goes into further detail on the general idea:
>
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKtdce19-wySFBVLXJET3k2TlU
>
>There should be a "download" link at the top that will allow it to be
>downloaded as a PDF.  I am particularly happy with the appendix.
>
>Eric
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html