[webkit-dev] Subpixel layout - requesting help for big rebaseline

2012-08-22 Thread Dominik Röttsches

Hi Chromium folks,

Levi and Emil did a great job in implementing SubPixel Layout. I was 
looking into enabling it on WebKit EFL.
Unfortunately, the initial rebaseline for EFL would be huge. That's why 
I hesitated to enable it right away. Instead I started looking into what 
the reasons are.


I found one case where rounding should be added, here's my patch:
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89572

Landing this makes the rebaselining efforts for ports enabling subpixel 
layout smaller, so IMHO it'd accelerate adoption.
On the other hand, landing this patch requires a rebaselining for 
Chromium in the area of several thousand testcases.


I do feel the pain there. So I'd appreciate your help for getting this 
one landed. According to their comments on bugzilla, Emil and Levi 
approve the change.


Thanks,

Dominik

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Re: [webkit-dev] EditBugs permission request

2012-08-22 Thread Peter Beverloo
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote:
  Could I be enabled for EditBugs permission? I'm starting to submit
 patches
  and actively work bugs, e.g.,

 Done.  In the future, folks should feel free to ask folks (including
 me) on #webkit rather than emailing webkit-dev, which has many
 subscribers.


There have been a few people asking for the permission during non-PST times
as well, and it's very unclear which people are able to set EditBugs. Can
the ability to set this be granted to all Reviewers? While requests aren't
*extremely* common, increasing the set of people who are able to grant
EditBugs -especially across timezones- would be both convenient and much
clearer.

Peter
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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel layout - requesting help for big rebaseline

2012-08-22 Thread Žan Doberšek
Perhaps one option of doing such a huge rebaseline might be the following:
1. Get the bots for the affected port into a green state.
2. Add temporary expectations for every LayoutTests/ subdirectory and
perhaps for subdirectories of LayoutTests/fast, LayoutTests/svg and
LayoutTests/editing as well[1]. This way the test runs wouldn't be exiting
early due to too many test failures (though this might occur when removing
expectation for just one subdirectory, for instance LayoutTests/tables).
3. Land the patch at the start of the daily period in which commit
frequency is low (probably before the PST morning). This will ensure no
actual regressions originating from other commits would get rebaselined or
cause problems (crashes, for instance).
4. Remove expectations for subdirectories one by one, letting the bots to
perform one cycle and report any failures in that subdirectory, and use the
tools to perform the rebaseline.

But it's still a huge task, especially for chromium as there are at least
three flavors of the port that would require special attention. These bots
are also running pixel tests, so there'll be large patches committed that
AFAIK used to cause problems (for instance the Git tree went out of sync).

[1] In Chromium's case, it would help to get the JSON output of the test
run with the rounding patch applied just to know where to expect failures
and how many of them. This would also help to better specify
directory-specific expectations.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Dominik Röttsches 
dominik.rottsc...@intel.com wrote:

  Hi Chromium folks,

 Levi and Emil did a great job in implementing SubPixel Layout. I was
 looking into enabling it on WebKit EFL.
 Unfortunately, the initial rebaseline for EFL would be huge. That's why I
 hesitated to enable it right away. Instead I started looking into what the
 reasons are.

 I found one case where rounding should be added, here's my patch:
 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89572

 Landing this makes the rebaselining efforts for ports enabling subpixel
 layout smaller, so IMHO it'd accelerate adoption.
 On the other hand, landing this patch requires a rebaselining for Chromium
 in the area of several thousand testcases.

 I do feel the pain there. So I'd appreciate your help for getting this one
 landed. According to their comments on bugzilla, Emil and Levi approve the
 change.

 Thanks,

 Dominik

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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel layout - requesting help for big rebaseline

2012-08-22 Thread Dominik Röttsches

Hi,

As another alternative, could we gather all the Chromium bot admins and 
ask them to temporarily take the bot offline in non-peak hours, create 
rebaselines per bot with the patch applied, collect those as 
binary-compatible diffs in one place, and manually land those collected 
baselines, in short succession together with the patch?


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Re: [webkit-dev] New feature: CSS3 GCPM

2012-08-22 Thread Milian Wolff
On Monday 20 August 2012 11:15:21 David Hyatt wrote:
 You're going to see some patches in the coming weeks (first one coming soon)
 to begin work on implementing:
 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-gcpm/
 
 In some cases, there are going to be syntactic deviations from the spec as
 we experiment (based off discussions that are ongoing in the CSS WG), but
 in general we'll be implementing the features in the working draft.

Hey there,

very interesting to see you working on this! Can you tell me whether you are 
going to work on the css3 paged-based media module next? Paired with GCPM it 
would make WebKit a very powerful publishing tool.

Thanks, take care.
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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel layout - requesting help for big rebaseline

2012-08-22 Thread Ojan Vafai
IIRC, the chromium bots no longer exit early due to a large number of
failures (right Dirk?), only due to a large number of crashes/timeouts. So,
it should be possible to commit this, wait for the bots to cycle, do all
the rebaselines at once and commit that. The only delay is that we'd have
to wait for the slowest of the bots to cycle.

Given that Emil/Levi have already verified the correctness of the new
results, the gardener can just hit the rebaseline all button in
garden-o-matic, so it shouldn't be too arduous as long as there aren't a
bunch of commits at the same time that also break a bunch of tests.

In short, I don't think committing this is too big of a deal if you are
willing to coordinate with the Chromium gardener to find a good time.

The PST gardener today and tomorrow is Ken Russell. If you're in a non-PST
time zone, the gardener though Monday is Dominic Cooney. My intuition is
that early in the morning or late at night would be best since 1-6pm PST is
when the majority of WebKit commits go in, causing other failures that
might be confused by this patch, but that's really up to Ken/Dominic and
you to figure out what's best.


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Dominik Röttsches 
dominik.rottsc...@intel.com wrote:

 Hi,

 As another alternative, could we gather all the Chromium bot admins and
 ask them to temporarily take the bot offline in non-peak hours, create
 rebaselines per bot with the patch applied, collect those as
 binary-compatible diffs in one place, and manually land those collected
 baselines, in short succession together with the patch?

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Re: [webkit-dev] Subpixel layout - requesting help for big rebaseline

2012-08-22 Thread Dirk Pranke
The Chromium canaries now exit after 5000 failures or 1000 crashes/timeouts.

Ideally we'd hold off on this change until we can get some sort of a
fix or workaround to https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94665
though (and I'm working on this today), or life might be annoyingly
painful for us.

-- Dirk

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote:
 IIRC, the chromium bots no longer exit early due to a large number of
 failures (right Dirk?), only due to a large number of crashes/timeouts. So,
 it should be possible to commit this, wait for the bots to cycle, do all the
 rebaselines at once and commit that. The only delay is that we'd have to
 wait for the slowest of the bots to cycle.

 Given that Emil/Levi have already verified the correctness of the new
 results, the gardener can just hit the rebaseline all button in
 garden-o-matic, so it shouldn't be too arduous as long as there aren't a
 bunch of commits at the same time that also break a bunch of tests.

 In short, I don't think committing this is too big of a deal if you are
 willing to coordinate with the Chromium gardener to find a good time.

 The PST gardener today and tomorrow is Ken Russell. If you're in a non-PST
 time zone, the gardener though Monday is Dominic Cooney. My intuition is
 that early in the morning or late at night would be best since 1-6pm PST is
 when the majority of WebKit commits go in, causing other failures that might
 be confused by this patch, but that's really up to Ken/Dominic and you to
 figure out what's best.


 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Dominik Röttsches
 dominik.rottsc...@intel.com wrote:

 Hi,

 As another alternative, could we gather all the Chromium bot admins and
 ask them to temporarily take the bot offline in non-peak hours, create
 rebaselines per bot with the patch applied, collect those as
 binary-compatible diffs in one place, and manually land those collected
 baselines, in short succession together with the patch?

 Dominik


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Re: [webkit-dev] On the suitability of GYP (was Re: Build system update)

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo QH
Hello Adam,

I have been facing a problem like the one you replied in
https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-March/016319.html .
I have had the worst experience in my life trying to make webcore compile,
I have try to create an xcode project with the needed files for webcore to
work on iOS, but all my tries have resulted bad: GYP, CMake or doing
manually aren't working for me and I really need to have this as soon as
possible.
Me and my co-workers are wondering if it is possible for you or someone
else you know to help us to have an Xcode project compiling and generating
the needed .a file with the WebCore code, so that we can use it in an iOS
application, we just want to have a really simple app to measure webpages
load time in devices. We are willing to pay for the work, so if you or
anybody else wants and can help us we will really appreciate that.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [webkit-dev] On the suitability of GYP (was Re: Build system update)

2012-08-22 Thread Adam Barth
If you're looking to hire someone to do this work, you might have
better luck with the webkit-jobs mailing list:

http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs

With respect to building code from svn.webkit.org on iOS, Apple's iOS
port of WebKit is not present in svn.webkit.org.  Apple does provide
source drops of the apple-ios port, which might or might not be
helpful to you:

http://opensource.apple.com/release/ios-511/

Adam


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Adam,

 I have been facing a problem like the one you replied in
 https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-March/016319.html .
 I have had the worst experience in my life trying to make webcore compile, I
 have try to create an xcode project with the needed files for webcore to
 work on iOS, but all my tries have resulted bad: GYP, CMake or doing
 manually aren't working for me and I really need to have this as soon as
 possible.
 Me and my co-workers are wondering if it is possible for you or someone else
 you know to help us to have an Xcode project compiling and generating the
 needed .a file with the WebCore code, so that we can use it in an iOS
 application, we just want to have a really simple app to measure webpages
 load time in devices. We are willing to pay for the work, so if you or
 anybody else wants and can help us we will really appreciate that.

 Thanks in advance!

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Re: [webkit-dev] On the suitability of GYP (was Re: Build system update)

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo QH
Adam,

Thanks for your quick answer. Actually I'm not looking for somebody to do
all the work, I just need somebody able to help me make a compiling project
with webcore for iOS, which may be a really quick work for someone involved
in the project for long time (I guess).
Regarding what you point, I do already know that and I have been working
with the code that apple released, I'm just trying to use Gyp or Cmake to
create an xcode project or find for some way to compile it so that I get an
.a file and me being able to make some changes to the code.
The sad true is that I have too less experience with any of this tools and
I'm just doing what forums says without any success. When I saw your post
I thought that you know a lot about them so that's why I came to you.
So, aren't you the right person to help me with this? Any other advice?
Anybody you may know that could help me with this?
As I said, my company is willing to pay for the job, but we are not sure if
posting our problem in
http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs would
be a good idea.

Thanks again for all your help!


2012/8/22 Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org

 If you're looking to hire someone to do this work, you might have
 better luck with the webkit-jobs mailing list:

 http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs

 With respect to building code from svn.webkit.org on iOS, Apple's iOS
 port of WebKit is not present in svn.webkit.org.  Apple does provide
 source drops of the apple-ios port, which might or might not be
 helpful to you:

 http://opensource.apple.com/release/ios-511/

 Adam


 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello Adam,
 
  I have been facing a problem like the one you replied in
  https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-March/016319.html .
  I have had the worst experience in my life trying to make webcore
 compile, I
  have try to create an xcode project with the needed files for webcore to
  work on iOS, but all my tries have resulted bad: GYP, CMake or doing
  manually aren't working for me and I really need to have this as soon as
  possible.
  Me and my co-workers are wondering if it is possible for you or someone
 else
  you know to help us to have an Xcode project compiling and generating the
  needed .a file with the WebCore code, so that we can use it in an iOS
  application, we just want to have a really simple app to measure webpages
  load time in devices. We are willing to pay for the work, so if you or
  anybody else wants and can help us we will really appreciate that.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: [webkit-dev] On the suitability of GYP (was Re: Build system update)

2012-08-22 Thread Adam Barth
This thread is off-topic for this list.  If you'd like find someone to
do this work for you (paid or otherwise), the appropriate list is
webkit-jobs.

Adam


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Adam,

 Thanks for your quick answer. Actually I'm not looking for somebody to do
 all the work, I just need somebody able to help me make a compiling project
 with webcore for iOS, which may be a really quick work for someone involved
 in the project for long time (I guess).
 Regarding what you point, I do already know that and I have been working
 with the code that apple released, I'm just trying to use Gyp or Cmake to
 create an xcode project or find for some way to compile it so that I get an
 .a file and me being able to make some changes to the code.
 The sad true is that I have too less experience with any of this tools and
 I'm just doing what forums says without any success. When I saw your post I
 thought that you know a lot about them so that's why I came to you.
 So, aren't you the right person to help me with this? Any other advice?
 Anybody you may know that could help me with this?
 As I said, my company is willing to pay for the job, but we are not sure if
 posting our problem in http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs
 would be a good idea.

 Thanks again for all your help!


 2012/8/22 Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org

 If you're looking to hire someone to do this work, you might have
 better luck with the webkit-jobs mailing list:

 http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs

 With respect to building code from svn.webkit.org on iOS, Apple's iOS
 port of WebKit is not present in svn.webkit.org.  Apple does provide
 source drops of the apple-ios port, which might or might not be
 helpful to you:

 http://opensource.apple.com/release/ios-511/

 Adam


 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello Adam,
 
  I have been facing a problem like the one you replied in
  https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-March/016319.html .
  I have had the worst experience in my life trying to make webcore
  compile, I
  have try to create an xcode project with the needed files for webcore to
  work on iOS, but all my tries have resulted bad: GYP, CMake or doing
  manually aren't working for me and I really need to have this as soon as
  possible.
  Me and my co-workers are wondering if it is possible for you or someone
  else
  you know to help us to have an Xcode project compiling and generating
  the
  needed .a file with the WebCore code, so that we can use it in an iOS
  application, we just want to have a really simple app to measure
  webpages
  load time in devices. We are willing to pay for the work, so if you or
  anybody else wants and can help us we will really appreciate that.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: [webkit-dev] A simpler proposal for handling failing tests WAS: A proposal for handling failing layout tests and TestExpectations

2012-08-22 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:

 On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:

 Here's how I imagine the workflow when a sheriff or just innocent
 bystander notices a deterministically failing test. Follow this two-step
 algorithm:

 1) Are you confident that the new result is an improvement or no worse? If
 so, then simply update -expected.txt.
 2) Otherwise, copy the old result to
 -whatever-we-call-the-unexpected-pass-result.txt, and check in the new
 result as -whatever-we-call-the-expected-failure-result.txt.


 I think we should do this. I don't care much about the naming.


 This replaces all other approaches to marking expected failures, including
 the Skipped list, overwriting -expected even you know the result is a
 regression, marking the test in TestExpectations as Skip, Wontfix, Image,
 Text, or Text+Image, or any of the other legacy techniques for marking an
 expected failure reult.


 Don't forget suffixing the test with -disabled! We have 109 such tests at
 the moment according to
 http://code.google.com/searchframe#search/exact_package=chromiumq=file:third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests/.*%5C-disabled$type=cs.
 I think we should also get rid of this. If we need a way to disable a test
 across ports (e.g. because it crashes in cross-platform code), we should
 make a Skipped/TestExpectations file in LayoutTest/platform instead of
 renaming the test file.


 I agree that renaming to -disabled should be phased out as well. I
 specifically did not cover failure modes that produce no result, such as
 crashes or hangs. Those should still be tracked via TestExpectations IMO.
 Likewise for nondeterministic expectations failures.


Since we support cascading TestExpectations now, we can replace
-disabled with a common TestExpectations file that all ports share, as
appropriate (this would require ORWT to recognize TestExpectations, of
course, which I plan to make happen soonish).

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Re: [webkit-dev] On the suitability of GYP (was Re: Build system update)

2012-08-22 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
This mailing list for people working on the development of WebKit itself.

If you need a help in building existing ports (e.g. Mac port, GTK+ port,
etc...), then webkit-help is a more appropriate place to ask that kind of
questions.

If you're attempting to create a new port, then you need to go find/hire a
software engineer who knows how to do it for you, and webkit-job is an
appropriate mailing list for that.

- Ryosuke

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Adam,

 Thanks for your quick answer. Actually I'm not looking for somebody to do
 all the work, I just need somebody able to help me make a compiling project
 with webcore for iOS, which may be a really quick work for someone involved
 in the project for long time (I guess).
 Regarding what you point, I do already know that and I have been working
 with the code that apple released, I'm just trying to use Gyp or Cmake to
 create an xcode project or find for some way to compile it so that I get an
 .a file and me being able to make some changes to the code.
 The sad true is that I have too less experience with any of this tools and
 I'm just doing what forums says without any success. When I saw your post
 I thought that you know a lot about them so that's why I came to you.
 So, aren't you the right person to help me with this? Any other advice?
 Anybody you may know that could help me with this?
 As I said, my company is willing to pay for the job, but we are not sure
 if posting our problem in
 http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs would be a good idea.

 Thanks again for all your help!


 2012/8/22 Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org

 If you're looking to hire someone to do this work, you might have
 better luck with the webkit-jobs mailing list:

 http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs

 With respect to building code from svn.webkit.org on iOS, Apple's iOS
 port of WebKit is not present in svn.webkit.org.  Apple does provide
 source drops of the apple-ios port, which might or might not be
 helpful to you:

 http://opensource.apple.com/release/ios-511/

 Adam


 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello Adam,
 
  I have been facing a problem like the one you replied in
  https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-March/016319.html .
  I have had the worst experience in my life trying to make webcore
 compile, I
  have try to create an xcode project with the needed files for webcore to
  work on iOS, but all my tries have resulted bad: GYP, CMake or doing
  manually aren't working for me and I really need to have this as soon as
  possible.
  Me and my co-workers are wondering if it is possible for you or someone
 else
  you know to help us to have an Xcode project compiling and generating
 the
  needed .a file with the WebCore code, so that we can use it in an iOS
  application, we just want to have a really simple app to measure
 webpages
  load time in devices. We are willing to pay for the work, so if you or
  anybody else wants and can help us we will really appreciate that.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: [webkit-dev] On the suitability of GYP (was Re: Build system update)

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo QH
Thanks for your help.

2012/8/22 Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org

 This mailing list for people working on the development of WebKit itself.

 If you need a help in building existing ports (e.g. Mac port, GTK+ port,
 etc...), then webkit-help is a more appropriate place to ask that kind of
 questions.

 If you're attempting to create a new port, then you need to go find/hire a
 software engineer who knows how to do it for you, and webkit-job is an
 appropriate mailing list for that.

 - Ryosuke

 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Adam,

 Thanks for your quick answer. Actually I'm not looking for somebody to do
 all the work, I just need somebody able to help me make a compiling project
 with webcore for iOS, which may be a really quick work for someone involved
 in the project for long time (I guess).
 Regarding what you point, I do already know that and I have been working
 with the code that apple released, I'm just trying to use Gyp or Cmake to
 create an xcode project or find for some way to compile it so that I get an
 .a file and me being able to make some changes to the code.
 The sad true is that I have too less experience with any of this tools
 and I'm just doing what forums says without any success. When I saw your
 post I thought that you know a lot about them so that's why I came to you.
 So, aren't you the right person to help me with this? Any other advice?
 Anybody you may know that could help me with this?
 As I said, my company is willing to pay for the job, but we are not sure
 if posting our problem in
 http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs would be a good
 idea.

 Thanks again for all your help!


 2012/8/22 Adam Barth aba...@webkit.org

 If you're looking to hire someone to do this work, you might have
 better luck with the webkit-jobs mailing list:

 http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-jobs

 With respect to building code from svn.webkit.org on iOS, Apple's iOS
 port of WebKit is not present in svn.webkit.org.  Apple does provide
 source drops of the apple-ios port, which might or might not be
 helpful to you:

 http://opensource.apple.com/release/ios-511/

 Adam


 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Ricardo QH ric1...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello Adam,
 
  I have been facing a problem like the one you replied in
  https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-March/016319.html .
  I have had the worst experience in my life trying to make webcore
 compile, I
  have try to create an xcode project with the needed files for webcore
 to
  work on iOS, but all my tries have resulted bad: GYP, CMake or doing
  manually aren't working for me and I really need to have this as soon
 as
  possible.
  Me and my co-workers are wondering if it is possible for you or
 someone else
  you know to help us to have an Xcode project compiling and generating
 the
  needed .a file with the WebCore code, so that we can use it in an iOS
  application, we just want to have a really simple app to measure
 webpages
  load time in devices. We are willing to pay for the work, so if you or
  anybody else wants and can help us we will really appreciate that.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
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