Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Michael Peel]

On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:42, Michael Snow  wrote:

> On 3/10/2014 3:36 PM, Michael Peel wrote:
>> Maybe. I worry that it is computer jargon - but perhaps what I suggested is 
>> historian jargon...
> It's not so much jargon that's the problem - it's that nearly all websites 
> are read-only, and to some visitors it will be rather puzzling why we should 
> go out of our way to highlight that aspect for this one.

True. But is that a feature or a bug?

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Michael Snow]

On 3/10/2014 3:36 PM, Michael Peel wrote:

Maybe. I worry that it is computer jargon - but perhaps what I suggested is 
historian jargon...
It's not so much jargon that's the problem - it's that nearly all 
websites are read-only, and to some visitors it will be rather puzzling 
why we should go out of our way to highlight that aspect for this one.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Michael Peel]

Maybe. I worry that it is computer jargon - but perhaps what I suggested is 
historian jargon...

Thanks,
Mike

On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:33, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> Why not? People know what the words 'read' and 'only' mean. Putting them 
> together should be pretty self explanatory: It can only be read.
> 
> On 10/03/14 22:32, Michael Peel wrote:
>> Probably not. How about 'archived'?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:22, User Mono  wrote:
>> 
>>> Closed isn't the best word, but do most people know what 'read only' means?
>>> 
>>>> From: peter.southw...@telkomsa.net
>>>> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 12:32:56 +0200
>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of
>>>> http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done
>>>> 
>>>> Makes sense to me too.
>>>> Peter
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "James Alexander" 
>>>> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of
>>>> http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another
>>>>>> therm than the procedure is called?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because what we DO (no matter what we call it) is set it as Read Only, it
>>>>> is still 100% accessible you just can't edit it. I think it does make
>>>>> sense
>>>>> that 'read-only' is more understandable then 'close' which sounds like we
>>>>> completely shut it off and you can't read it either.
>>>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Isarra Yos]

Why not? People know what the words 'read' and 'only' mean. Putting them 
together should be pretty self explanatory: It can only be read.


On 10/03/14 22:32, Michael Peel wrote:

Probably not. How about 'archived'?

Thanks,
Mike

On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:22, User Mono  wrote:


Closed isn't the best word, but do most people know what 'read only' means?


From: peter.southw...@telkomsa.net
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 12:32:56 +0200
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of 
http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

Makes sense to me too.
Peter
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Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:12 PM
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On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:


But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another
therm than the procedure is called?


Because what we DO (no matter what we call it) is set it as Read Only, it
is still 100% accessible you just can't edit it. I think it does make
sense
that 'read-only' is more understandable then 'close' which sounds like we
completely shut it off and you can't read it either.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Michael Peel]

Probably not. How about 'archived'?

Thanks,
Mike

On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:22, User Mono  wrote:

> Closed isn't the best word, but do most people know what 'read only' means?
> 
>> From: peter.southw...@telkomsa.net
>> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 12:32:56 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of  
>> http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done
>> 
>> Makes sense to me too.
>> Peter
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "James Alexander" 
>> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of 
>> http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another
>>>> therm than the procedure is called?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Because what we DO (no matter what we call it) is set it as Read Only, it
>>> is still 100% accessible you just can't edit it. I think it does make 
>>> sense
>>> that 'read-only' is more understandable then 'close' which sounds like we
>>> completely shut it off and you can't read it either.
>>> 
>>> James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[User Mono]

Closed isn't the best word, but do most people know what 'read only' means?

> From: peter.southw...@telkomsa.net
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 12:32:56 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of   
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done
> 
> Makes sense to me too.
> Peter
> - Original Message - 
> From: "James Alexander" 
> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of 
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done
> 
> 
> > On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:
> >
> >> But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another
> >> therm than the procedure is called?
> >
> >
> > Because what we DO (no matter what we call it) is set it as Read Only, it
> > is still 100% accessible you just can't edit it. I think it does make 
> > sense
> > that 'read-only' is more understandable then 'close' which sounds like we
> > completely shut it off and you can't read it either.
> >
> > James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Peter Southwood]

Makes sense to me too.
Peter
- Original Message - 
From: "James Alexander" 

To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of 
http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done




On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:


But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another
therm than the procedure is called?



Because what we DO (no matter what we call it) is set it as Read Only, it
is still 100% accessible you just can't edit it. I think it does make 
sense

that 'read-only' is more understandable then 'close' which sounds like we
completely shut it off and you can't read it either.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[James Alexander]

On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:

> Is it *just *can't edit? I believe at least we can't create a new acc in
> there. Closing is more then setting read only. We should use proper therms
> instead of those that more understandable by noobs. --Base
>

Well, then we can disagree on this. I don't believe 'closed' is any more
correct then 'read only' and I believe we should always strive to keep
language as understandable as possible to as many people as possible. We
don't always succeed, but we can always get better.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Bohdan Melnychuk]

Is it *just *can't edit? I believe at least we can't create a new acc in 
there. Closing is more then setting read only. We should use proper 
therms instead of those that more understandable by noobs. --Base


09.03.2014 12:12, James Alexander написав(ла):

On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:


But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another
therm than the procedure is called?


Because what we DO (no matter what we call it) is set it as Read Only, it
is still 100% accessible you just can't edit it. I think it does make sense
that 'read-only' is more understandable then 'close' which sounds like we
completely shut it off and you can't read it either.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[James Alexander]

On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk  wrote:

> But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another
> therm than the procedure is called?


Because what we DO (no matter what we call it) is set it as Read Only, it
is still 100% accessible you just can't edit it. I think it does make sense
that 'read-only' is more understandable then 'close' which sounds like we
completely shut it off and you can't read it either.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Bohdan Melnychuk]

But we close wiki. We not set wiki read only. Why should we use another 
therm than the procedure is called? And also if follow the ask's logic - 
shan't it worry the hypothetical noob who doesn't know clearly what's 
"wiki" that Wikipedia has been set read only? For me it sounds not less 
armagedonically. --Base

09.03.2014 11:14, matanya написав(ла):
  


I have fixed it per Amir's comment. It makes sense, and we should use
this note on every wiki we close - i.e. site we serve read-only.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Thank you.


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2014-03-09 11:14 GMT+02:00 matanya :

>
>
> I have fixed it per Amir's comment. It makes sense, and we should use
> this note on every wiki we close - i.e. site we serve read-only.
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[matanya]

 

I have fixed it per Amir's comment. It makes sense, and we should use
this note on every wiki we close - i.e. site we serve read-only. 
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