RE: [WSG] Text within tables
Hi Kenny, Yes, that makes perfect sense. So, for example, if I want to put a single word into a table cell - e.g. THCategory/TH - for it to be semantically correct, should it be wrapped in P tags? It's hardly a paragraph and contains no other inline elements. But if I were to use - e.g. THSelect a bcategory/b./TH - then I imagine P tags would make sense. What I'm really asking is what, from an accessibility poont of view, is the XHTML strict markup for this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham The content of a table cell should only be in a paragraph element if the content of that cell is a paragraph. Should be a simple enough question but should text within a table cell ALWAYS be surrounded by P tags, or do we assume the TD to be the block element surrounding the inline text? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Text within tables
THCategory/TH - for it to be semantically correct, should it be wrapped in P tags? It's hardly a paragraph and contains no other inline elements. Nope, no P tags. But if I were to use - e.g. THSelect a bcategory/b./TH - then I imagine P tags would make sense. I'd still leave out the p tags, since it's not a paragraph, just a sentence. Nothing wrong with having an inline element inside a th. If you feel funny using th as the only container, then i suppose you could wrap its contents in a div, but it's not necessary. What I'm really asking is what, from an accessibility poont of view, is the XHTML strict markup for this? XHTML 1.0 Strict and above is all I know, so that's what I'm basing my views on. The side effect of only knowing strict XHTML is that your capital tags and bold elements make me cringe. ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Text within tables
They're just there for emphasis. Trust me. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 4:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Text within tables THCategory/TH - for it to be semantically correct, should it be wrapped in P tags? It's hardly a paragraph and contains no other inline elements. Nope, no P tags. But if I were to use - e.g. THSelect a bcategory/b./TH - then I imagine P tags would make sense. I'd still leave out the p tags, since it's not a paragraph, just a sentence. Nothing wrong with having an inline element inside a th. If you feel funny using th as the only container, then i suppose you could wrap its contents in a div, but it's not necessary. What I'm really asking is what, from an accessibility poont of view, is the XHTML strict markup for this? XHTML 1.0 Strict and above is all I know, so that's what I'm basing my views on. The side effect of only knowing strict XHTML is that your capital tags and bold elements make me cringe. ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Weird displacement
Title: Message Is anybody able to shed some light on why on http://www.startregistration.com/domain/register/ the first fieldset is touching the left border of the form, but each subsequent fieldset is like indented and not touching the border? Then there is also the problem of the "Contact Information" fieldset having a margin under each row, but all the other fields sets do not. The CSS is the same for all forms. Any help is appreciated. PS. The page does not validate, but the issues it shows I am sure do attribute to the problems, i.e. ALT tags missing etc. Taco Fleur - CEOPacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now!
Re: [WSG] Weird displacement
What browser? Looks normal in Firefox 1.0.7/Linux. Side note: Why the image map for your Home/Basket/Email nav? Looks to me as though a styled list would work well there... On 10/28/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody able to shed some light on why on http://www.startregistration.com/domain/register/ the first fieldset is touching the left border of the form, but each subsequent fieldset is like indented and not touching the border? Then there is also the problem of the Contact Information fieldset having a margin under each row, but all the other fields sets do not. The CSS is the same for all forms. Any help is appreciated. PS. The page does not validate, but the issues it shows I am sure do attribute to the problems, i.e. ALT tags missing etc. Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 N�ŠÇ.²È¨žX¬µú+†Ûiÿü nËZ�Ö«vÈ+¢êh®Òyèm¶ŸÿÁæ쵩Ýj·l‚º.¦Šàþf¢—ø.‰×¥Šw¬qùŸ¢»(™èbžÛ(žš,¶)උazX¬¶¶)à…éi
Re: [WSG] Text within tables
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:16:58 +1000, Paul Noone wrote: Should be a simple enough question but should text within a table cell ALWAYS be surrounded by P tags, or do we assume the TD to be the block element surrounding the inline text? No, blockquote is the only element that I can think that needs other block level elements within it. T* tags can take straight content, provided it makes semantic sense... HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Weird displacement
Hi, Browser is Internet Exploder. Image map is because I don't really like fooling around matching the gifs with the background. Plus I send an email to this list a while back asking whether it was bad to have an image map, I believe the answer was no ;-) By all means convince me not to use it. Thanks, Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 4:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Weird displacement What browser? Looks normal in Firefox 1.0.7/Linux. Side note: Why the image map for your Home/Basket/Email nav? Looks to me as though a styled list would work well there... On 10/28/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody able to shed some light on why on http://www.startregistration.com/domain/register/ the first fieldset is touching the left border of the form, but each subsequent fieldset is like indented and not touching the border? Then there is also the problem of the Contact Information fieldset having a margin under each row, but all the other fields sets do not. The CSS is the same for all forms. Any help is appreciated. PS. The page does not validate, but the issues it shows I am sure do attribute to the problems, i.e. ALT tags missing etc. Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 NŠÇ.²È¨žX¬µú+†Ûiÿü nËZÖ«vÈ+¢êh®Òyèm¶ŸÿÁæ쵩Ýj·l‚º.¦Šàþf¢—ø.‰×¥Šw¬qùŸ¢»(™èbžÛ(žš,¶)උazX¬¶ ¶)à…éi ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Weird displacement
This article is kind of outdated, but it's currently the Editor's Choice piece on A List Apart (issue 206) http://alistapart.com/articles/imagemap That example is more complex than what yours would need, though. If you combine your primary and secondary banner divs into one, you can use one background image instead of two, and stick two lists inside it (The top right links, and the bottom left links in two different lists). This also means if you wanted rollovers it's relatively painless to do (using :hover pseudo selectors and sprite backgrounds). You'd need to make the list items line up, yes, but you could use the same image as for the main background and just use background-position to get it right (so you don't have to create another five images manually). Hope that made some kind of sense... Josh On 10/28/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Browser is Internet Exploder. Image map is because I don't really like fooling around matching the gifs with the background. Plus I send an email to this list a while back asking whether it was bad to have an image map, I believe the answer was no ;-) By all means convince me not to use it. Thanks, Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 4:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Weird displacement What browser? Looks normal in Firefox 1.0.7/Linux. Side note: Why the image map for your Home/Basket/Email nav? Looks to me as though a styled list would work well there... On 10/28/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody able to shed some light on why on http://www.startregistration.com/domain/register/ the first fieldset is touching the left border of the form, but each subsequent fieldset is like indented and not touching the border? Then there is also the problem of the Contact Information fieldset having a margin under each row, but all the other fields sets do not. The CSS is the same for all forms. Any help is appreciated. PS. The page does not validate, but the issues it shows I am sure do attribute to the problems, i.e. ALT tags missing etc. Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 NŠÇ.²È¨žX¬µú+†Ûiÿü nËZÖ«vÈ+¢êh(r)Òyèm¶ŸÿÁæìµ(c)Ýj·l‚º.¦Šàþf¢—ø.‰×¥Šw¬qùŸ¢»(™èbžÛ(žš,¶)උazX¬¶ ¶)à…éi ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Weird displacement
Cheers, I will definitely consider it. In the meantime I am still stuck with my two layout problems ;-) Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 5:16 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Weird displacement This article is kind of outdated, but it's currently the Editor's Choice piece on A List Apart (issue 206) http://alistapart.com/articles/imagemap That example is more complex than what yours would need, though. If you combine your primary and secondary banner divs into one, you can use one background image instead of two, and stick two lists inside it (The top right links, and the bottom left links in two different lists). This also means if you wanted rollovers it's relatively painless to do (using :hover pseudo selectors and sprite backgrounds). You'd need to make the list items line up, yes, but you could use the same image as for the main background and just use background-position to get it right (so you don't have to create another five images manually). Hope that made some kind of sense... Josh On 10/28/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Browser is Internet Exploder. Image map is because I don't really like fooling around matching the gifs with the background. Plus I send an email to this list a while back asking whether it was bad to have an image map, I believe the answer was no ;-) By all means convince me not to use it. Thanks, Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 4:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Weird displacement What browser? Looks normal in Firefox 1.0.7/Linux. Side note: Why the image map for your Home/Basket/Email nav? Looks to me as though a styled list would work well there... On 10/28/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody able to shed some light on why on http://www.startregistration.com/domain/register/ the first fieldset is touching the left border of the form, but each subsequent fieldset is like indented and not touching the border? Then there is also the problem of the Contact Information fieldset having a margin under each row, but all the other fields sets do not. The CSS is the same for all forms. Any help is appreciated. PS. The page does not validate, but the issues it shows I am sure do attribute to the problems, i.e. ALT tags missing etc. Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .COM for as low as AUSD$15 a year, .COM.AU for AUSD$50 two years! ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now! -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 NŠÇ.²È¨žX¬µú+†Ûiÿü nËZÖ«vÈ+¢êh(r)Òyèm¶ŸÿÁæìµ(c)Ýj·l‚º.¦Šàþf¢—ø.‰×¥ Šw¬qùŸ¢»(™èbžÛ(žš,¶)උazX¬¶ ¶)à…éi ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Nnvyjqz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Weird problem with the footer...
Hello folks!... I need some help, and I believe it's pretty easy to solve although I'm having some problems to do so... http://www.donestudio.com.br/donenew/indexnew.html don't worry about the images... we're still working on them! the issue is about the footer (the rodape div). I've tried to set padding and margins to 0em but didn't work... the distance from the centro div is way too large, about 20px and I have no idea what to do!... the style sheet is here: http://www.donestudio.com.br/donenew/estilos.css I accept any ideas, will be pretty glad if someone can help me out here!! ;) Thanks a lot!!! :)-- Danilo LaurindoWebdesign Customer Attendance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (55 11) 7135-2425
Re: [WSG] Weird problem with the footer...
hmm take a look at www.mcville.net and compaere the codes :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Weird problem with the footer...
hmmm, i still can't figure out what's wrong on mine... i've uploaded another testing page for you guys to take a look at... my brain is melting!... hehehe... http://www.donestudio.com.br/donenew/teste.html http://www.donestudio.com.br/donenew/zzz.css and i believe if i try to use a negative top-margin it would work out fine, but then I may need to extend the centro div with more texts and such... thanks again, guys!
Re: [WSG] Weird problem with the footer...
hehehe remove those p/p embracing those images in html source !!! ;) 2005/10/28, Danilo Laurindo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hmmm, i still can't figure out what's wrong on mine... i've uploaded another testing page for you guys to take a look at... my brain is melting!... hehehe... http://www.donestudio.com.br/donenew/teste.html http://www.donestudio.com.br/donenew/zzz.css and i believe if i try to use a negative top-margin it would work out fine, but then I may need to extend the centro div with more texts and such... thanks again, guys! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Weird problem with the footer...
geez, i knew it was simple! :) thanks buddy!! thank you so much!
Re: [WSG] Weird problem with the footer...
now roblem m8, anytime ! cheers! Marko founder of mcville.net 2005/10/28, Danilo Laurindo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: geez, i knew it was simple! :) thanks buddy!! thank you so much! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Adding a header to a tbody
Hi All Ive got a new question. Im building a large table and would like to add some tbody elements within a cell that discusses product features. I thought it would be nice to break it down between accessories, batteries, weight, good karma, etc. It would be even better if I could add a header to these elements. However, I cant think of a way this morning to add a header to a tbody. Im using a th on the first cell of each row and there is no need for thead in these subtable elements. Does anyone have a suggestion? Does this make sense? Ted
[WSG] Adding a header to a tbody
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[WSG] Is there a standard for this?
This isn't the usual type of question asked here, but it's very much a web standards question, so here goes. Take the following situation: An anchor element has a short, non-repeating animated gif as its background. On hover, that link's background is changed to a different image. Someone lets the page load, and allows that animated gif to play through to it's last frame. They then hover over the link, changing its background image. They move the mouse away from the link. Is there a standard anywhere that specifies what happens at this point? Should the animation start over, or should it go back to the last frame? In IE and Opera, it starts over. In Firefox, it skips to the last frame. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Is there a standard for this?
Standard or not, the animation will not begin. If you are using CSS rollovers, the image is not getting reloaded, simply moving from one part of the image to another. It is standard practice to not have animated objects loop through the animation indefinitely. So the answer is: it will be static when they return to the non-hover state. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:28 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Is there a standard for this? This isn't the usual type of question asked here, but it's very much a web standards question, so here goes. Take the following situation: An anchor element has a short, non-repeating animated gif as its background. On hover, that link's background is changed to a different image. Someone lets the page load, and allows that animated gif to play through to it's last frame. They then hover over the link, changing its background image. They move the mouse away from the link. Is there a standard anywhere that specifies what happens at this point? Should the animation start over, or should it go back to the last frame? In IE and Opera, it starts over. In Firefox, it skips to the last frame. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Adding a header to a tbody
Is there any rule against having more than one thead in a table? Could you do: thead/thead tbody/tbody thead/thead tbody/tbody etc... Just guessing, mightn't be permissible (given you can make the thead repeat with print stylesheets, I'd guess it's highly unlikely to be allowed...) Josh On 10/29/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I've got a new question. I'm building a large table and would like to add some tbody elements within a cell that discusses product features. I thought it would be nice to break it down between accessories, batteries, weight, good karma, etc. It would be even better if I could add a header to these elements. However, I can't think of a way this morning to add a header to a tbody. I'm using a th on the first cell of each row and there is no need for thead in these subtable elements. Does anyone have a suggestion? Does this make sense? Ted -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] REMOVE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
REMOVE ME FROM THE LIST PLEASE From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:18 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Hi, Can someone please inform me about the disadvantages about the fact the XHTML is served as text/html to IE? (1) What does this mean? (2) Is it only IE? (3) Isn't HTML 4 or XHTML Transitional served as text/html? (4) Why does it matter that XHTML Strict should be served as application-xml-whatever? Thanks for taking the time to help. I remember Tantek saying at WE05 that if you're serious you should be using XHTML Strict all the time. So why then does tantek.com use HTML4.01 strict not XHTML? Thanks Tim Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?
I make it a point to test in Firefox first, since historically it is
nearly free of rendering bugs. IE and Opera come next, once the 3 are
behaving, you should be in good shape.
I would be concerned about a bug only showing up in Firefox, I believe
that hiding something from Firefox is not the way to go, but rather,
make it right in Firefox and then worry about the others.
Hopefully this is helpful.
Joe Taylor
http://sitesbyjoe.com
Kenny Graham wrote:
Believe it or not, part of my site works on every browser I've tested
-except- firefox. That's right. It works on IE, Opera, etc, but
Firefox screws it up. Is there any valid way make firefox (well,
gecko in general) ignore a rule, while still serving it to all other
browsers? The only method I can find is this:
selector { { declaration }
which obviously invalidates the css.
Incase anyone's curious, the problem involves using a non-repeating
animated gif as the background of a link, and a different
non-repeating animated gif as the background when that link is
hovered. I'm using it to make a bullet slide toward the link on
hover, and slide back away from it on blur. After one link is hovered
for the first time, every hover after that causes it to skip from the
first frame to the last, then back to the first, ignoring all frames
in-between.
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