[Zappa-List] Review ZPA 2006/05/30 Vorst Nationaal, Brussels, Belgium
Hello All, I was at this show yesterday but couldn't get into it. A more positive review from another guy underneath to give you a neutral image. They first showed the Film of Zappa in the Roxy back in 1974. Great stuff and the sound was much better then the actual concert of ZPZ. The concert was in sound and in performance miles away from the Zappa movie we just saw. I know this concerthall has very bad soundings but I've seen many groups here who did a lot better. I've seen Frank playing in 1988 in the Veledrome in Gent in a concerthall he described as the worst ever played. But he also said that they would play at a quiet volume so that everything would be alright again, as it effectively was. I have the tape so I can even tell know that it sounded ok. Now in Vorst you couln'dt hear all the instruments very well, the bass sometimes was on mess of a sound, the keyboards were on and of, etc. When Terry began to sing, no voice. Was the soundman sleeping?? Enough about the sound. The band wasn't a band. They weren't together. As stated below they had to warm up during the first set. But is was Terry who pulled the second set together with his heavy drumming (he lost two drumsticks in the act) and cheerfull singing. When he went away even Steve Vai (with short hair) couldn't pulled the thing back together. It dropped again like pudding. Also Dweezil is no frontman, Ahmet can but he was nowhere to be seen (and he's damn right not be part of this were only in it for the money tour - comment I heard on the spot). I've seen AZ/DZ and they were great, also they had Mike Kenaelly and Scott Tunis back then. Dweezil stood there, not moving a lot and saying little and the things he said were so rehearsed and cliche that it made me sick. During King Kong they did some improvisations like Zappa did in the movie (that's what Dweezil said they were gonna do). This was not a spontanious thing. I've got many live recordings of Zappa. Now Dweezil must have acces to a lot more. He took some parts and put them together without shaking the coctail. During the keyboarsolo every band member stood playing looking at thsi guy without showing any enthousiasm. Only the bassplayer and Napoleon jumped to the music. I think Mike Kenaelly would have done a better job moulding the band together and leading them thru wild improvisations instead of showing all the tricks Zappa did in a row. Not that they are no good musiscians, they are, but they try to copy Zappas' act, wich is foolisch to attempt. I'd rather have a personel stamp on the performance wich Dweezil said in interviews he would do. Seen nothing of that. Even the setlist is almost the same every night. Even the effects and the kind of gitaarsolo's he plays are the same. Just seen the solo from Inca Roads on the net and live it was the same. Is he afraid or insicure? Anyway, I love Zappa, I love AZ/DZ, I Love the muffin man, The grandmothers, etc, But this was beyond my expectations. Finally we left after Montana. Yes indeed we left the concert. If the accoustics were better it would have been a lot more enjoyable. It could have inflicted the band's performance. Also the hall was only half filled. They had to hang curtains around the higher levels (a full hall would also give better accoustics-I know). If ZPZ had only chosen the Ancienne Belgique. It would have been completely sold out but far more superior to this hall. See you, Loopstation Here's the setlist Help, I'm a Rock Hungry Freaks, Daddy Let's Make the Water Turn Black Florentine Pogen Pygmy Twylyte Idiot Bastard Son Cheepnis King Kong with Filthy Habits Don't Eat the Yellow Snow St-Alphonzo's Pancake Breakfast Inca Roads -This first half was all with Napoleon. I'm so Cute (TB) Trying to grow a Chin (TB) City of Tiny Lights (TB+NMB) Punky's Whips (TB) The Black Page pt. 1 (TB) The Black Page pt. 2 (TB+ SV) Peaches en Regalia (SV+NMB) Montana (SV+NMB) Village of the Sun (SV+NMB) Echidna's Arf (of you) (SV+NMB) Zomby Woof (SV+NMB) Sofa (SV+NMB) Encore Camarillo Brillo (NMB) The Orange Couty Lumber Truck (NMB) Trouble Every Day (TB+SV+NMB) A Token of his Extreme (TB+SV+NMB) Barry's Imaginary Publisher Says: May 31st, 2006 at 11:28 am And now the points of the Belgian jury The venue: Vorst Nationaal, May 30. As you may know, the sound of this concert hall is, shall we say, less than optimal, and quite possibly a bit of a nightmare for the soundguy. We had seats directly behind the mixing booth so what we heard was probably as good as it gets. The setlist: exactly the same as wannabeard posted above. The band: I was really impressed and pleasantly surprised. From the first note to the last, the playing was flawless and incredibly tight (and indeed, heavy, as Balint noted above). A definite strongholder within the band is Napoleon M Brock. He gave warmth to the songs and a face to the band. Had a bit of trouble getting the high tones at times,
Re: [Zappa-List] Review ZPA 2006/05/30 Vorst Nationaal, Brussels, Belgium
That is one damn good email. Thanks.electricloopstation2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All,I was at this show yesterday but couldn't get into it. A more positive review from another guy underneath to give you a neutral image.They first showed the Film of Zappa in the Roxy back in 1974. Great stuff and the sound was much better then the actual concert of ZPZ. The concert was in sound and in performance miles away from the Zappa movie we just saw. I know this concerthall has very bad soundings but I've seen many groups here who did a lot better. I've seen Frank playing in 1988 in the Veledrome in Gent in a concerthall he described as the worst ever played. But he also said that they would play at a quiet volume so that everything would be alright again, as it effectively was. I have the tape so I can even tell know that it sounded ok. Now in Vorst you couln'dt hear all the instruments very well, the bass sometimes was on mess of a sound, the keyboards were on and of, etc. When Terry began to sing, no voice. Was the soundman sleeping?? Enough about the sound. The band wasn't a band. They weren't together. As stated below they had to warm up during the first set. But is was Terry who pulled the second set together with his heavy drumming (he lost two drumsticks in the act) and cheerfull singing.When he went away even Steve Vai (with short hair) couldn't pulled the thing back together. It dropped again like pudding. Also Dweezil is no frontman, Ahmet can but he was nowhere to be seen (and he's damn right not be part of this were only in it for the money tour - comment I heard on the spot). I've seen AZ/DZ and they were great, also they had Mike Kenaelly and Scott Tunis back then.Dweezil stood there, not moving a lot and saying little and the things he said were so rehearsed and cliche that it made me sick. During King Kong they did some improvisations like Zappa did in the movie (that's what Dweezil said they were gonna do). This was not a spontanious thing. I've got many live recordings of Zappa. Now Dweezil must have acces to a lot more. He took some parts and put them together without shaking the coctail. During the keyboarsolo every band member stood playing looking at thsi guy without showing any enthousiasm. Only the bassplayer and Napoleon jumped to the music. I think Mike Kenaelly would have done a better job moulding the band together and leading them thru wild improvisations instead of showing all the tricks Zappa did in a row.Not that they are no good musiscians, they are, but they try to copy Zappas' act, wich is foolisch to attempt. I'd rather have a personel stamp on the performance wich Dweezil said in interviews he would do. Seen nothing of that. Even the setlist is almost the same every night. Even the effects and the kind of gitaarsolo's he plays are the same. Just seen the solo from Inca Roads on the net and live it was the same. Is he afraid or insicure?Anyway, I love Zappa, I love AZ/DZ, I Love the muffin man, The grandmothers, etc, But this was beyond my expectations. Finally we left after Montana. Yes indeed we left the concert.If the accoustics were better it would have been a lot more enjoyable. It could have inflicted the band's performance. Also the hall was only half filled. They had to hang curtains around the higher levels (a full hall would also give better accoustics-I know). If ZPZ had only chosen the Ancienne Belgique. It would have been completely sold out but far more superior to this hall.See you,LoopstationHere's the setlistHelp, I'm a RockHungry Freaks, DaddyLet's Make the Water Turn BlackFlorentine PogenPygmy TwylyteIdiot Bastard SonCheepnisKing Kong with Filthy HabitsDon't Eat the Yellow SnowSt-Alphonzo's Pancake BreakfastInca Roads-This first half was all with Napoleon.I'm so Cute (TB)Trying to grow a Chin (TB)City of Tiny Lights (TB+NMB)Punky's Whips (TB)The Black Page pt. 1 (TB)The Black Page pt. 2 (TB+ SV)Peaches en Regalia (SV+NMB)Montana (SV+NMB)Village of the Sun (SV+NMB)Echidna's Arf (of you) (SV+NMB)Zomby Woof (SV+NMB)Sofa (SV+NMB)EncoreCamarillo Brillo (NMB)The Orange Couty Lumber Truck (NMB)Trouble Every Day (TB+SV+NMB)A Token of his Extreme (TB+SV+NMB) Barry's Imaginary Publisher Says: May 31st, 2006 at 11:28 am And now the points of the Belgian jury The venue: Vorst Nationaal, May 30.As you may know, the sound of this concert hall is, shall we say, "less than optimal", and quite possibly a bit of a nightmare for the soundguy. We had seats directly behind the mixing booth so what we heard was probably "as good as it gets".The setlist: exactly the same as wannabeard posted above.The band: I was really impressed and pleasantly surprised. From the first note to the last, the playing was flawless and incredibly tight (and indeed, "heavy", as Balint noted above). A definite strongholder within the band is Napoleon M Brock. He gave warmth to the songs and "a face" to the band. Had a bit of trouble getting the high tones at times, but considering he's
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER?
Where´s this ?? European Branch : Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])-UK thierry barbier-fr ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Neil (UK) Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] federico - Original Message - From: Federico Valdes To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? European Branch : Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])-UK thierry barbier-fr ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Neil (UK) Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks federico - Original Message - From: neil_hawkins2003 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: FW: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? Nice offer, me too please :-)Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])-UK thierry barbier-fr ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Neil (UK)RegardsNeil --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Ullmann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the European branch of this vine: Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])-UK thierry barbier-fr ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Les Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Ooops sorry Richard. Vine should read: Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])-UK??? Cheers Les. -Original Message- From: Les Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 March 2006 00:12 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? pt.2 EUROPE USA FLA I'd be more than keen to follow on this one. Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BEr2daft2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])-UK??? Cheers Les -Original Message- From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Conehead Sent: 16 March 2006 23:06 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? pt.2 EUROPE USA FLA Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BE Hi, thanks Nick for offering this nice set. Can we start the European wing with me?? I promise to pass on swiftly to next in line. Thanks ... Best regards Conehead-BE --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Ullmann" ullmannnick@ wrote: Hi, all!! Another offering from the Actuel Fest at Amougies on 25th October 1969. This time it is the whole of the Pink Floyd contribution with Zappa joining the group for a mamoth "Interstellar Overdrive", preceded sy Zappa and the Floyd tuning up. This has been speed corrected, the version that is making its rounds at present is 8-10% too fast. We also have here amazing versions of "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" and "Saucerful of Secrets", where we can here the reason why Zappa admired the Floyd so much. Anyone any idea where the film of this event has ended up! It was called "Music Power". This FLAC version also contains mono versions of Dylan's "Blond on Blonde" and "Bringin' it all back home". All artwork for the Amougies is included. There will be a USA branch and a Europe and elsewhere one. Get your names down in the usual way, I will send out to the two first ones as soon as possible. Here are the details: Pink Floyd - 1969-10-25, Festival Actuel, Amougies, Belgium, Aud initial distribution of the audience tape was mastered slow, this version has been SPEED-CORRECTED. length: 75:07 4. Astronomy Domine 9:34 (was 10:53) 5. Green In The Colour 3:44 soundtrack source 6. Careful With That Axe, Eugene 9:35 soundtrack source 7. tuning up with Frank Zappa 2:44 (was 2:48) 8. Interstellar Overdrive 20:23 (was 21:03) 9. Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun 11:03 soundboard/FM source 10. A Saucerful Of Secrets 18:02 (was 18:36) David Gilmour - guitar vocals Richard Wright - organ Roger Waters - bass vocals Nick Mason - drums with Frank Zappa - guitar (7 8) NB-- for this disc, the audience recordings of "Green Is The Colour" and "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" were patched with the more common soundboard source, taken from a documentary film soundtrack. "Set The Controls" does not appear in the film but is taken from a later FM broadcast of the same soundboard tape. 1:45 of mostly dead air was edited from "Set The Controls" prior to broadcast, thus is missing here. A minute or so of dead air was edited from the end of
[Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER?
Federico - see message no 12286 - Luis in Argentina is sending this one to you Thanks Neil, I already received the cd. Now it goes to Federico in Spain, the last in queue. cheers Luis --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Federico Javier Valdes Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where´s this ?? European Branch : Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Neil (UK) Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] federico - Original Message - From: Federico Valdes To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? European Branch : Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Neil (UK) Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks federico - Original Message - From: neil_hawkins2003 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: FW: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? Nice offer, me too please :-) Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Neil (UK) Regards Neil --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Nick Ullmann ullmannnick@ wrote: This is the European branch of this vine: Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Les Watts leswatts@ a écrit : Ooops sorry Richard. Vine should read: Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK??? Cheers Les. -Original Message- From: Les Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 March 2006 00:12 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? pt.2 EUROPE USA FLA I'd be more than keen to follow on this one. Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BEr2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK??? Cheers Les -Original Message- From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Zappa- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Conehead Sent: 16 March 2006 23:06 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? pt.2 EUROPE USA FLA Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BE Hi, thanks Nick for offering this nice set. Can we start the European wing with me?? I promise to pass on swiftly to next in line. Thanks ... Best regards Conehead-BE --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Nick Ullmann ullmannnick@ wrote: Hi, all!! Another offering from the Actuel Fest at Amougies on 25th October 1969. This time it is the whole of the Pink Floyd contribution with Zappa joining the group for a mamoth Interstellar Overdrive, preceded sy Zappa and the Floyd tuning up. This has been speed corrected, the version that is making its rounds at present is 8-10% too fast. We also have here amazing versions of Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun and Saucerful of Secrets, where we can here the reason why Zappa admired the Floyd so much. Anyone any idea where the film of this event has ended up! It was called Music Power. This FLAC version also contains mono versions of Dylan's Blond on Blonde and Bringin' it all back home. All artwork for the Amougies is included. There will be a USA branch and a Europe and elsewhere one. Get your names down in the usual way, I will send out to the two first ones as soon as possible. Here are the details: Pink Floyd - 1969-10-25, Festival Actuel, Amougies, Belgium, Aud initial distribution of the audience tape was mastered slow, this version has been SPEED-CORRECTED. length: 75:07 4. Astronomy Domine9:34 (was 10:53) 5. Green In The Colour 3:44 soundtrack source 6. Careful With That Axe, Eugene 9:35 soundtrack source 7. tuning up with Frank Zappa 2:44 (was 2:48) 8. Interstellar Overdrive 20:23 (was 21:03) 9. Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun 11:03 soundboard/FM
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oh , god , now i remember :-)) thanks for letting me know Neil federico - Original Message - From: neil_hawkins2003 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: [SPAM] [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? Federico - see message no 12286 - Luis in Argentina is sending this one to you Thanks Neil, I already received the cd. Now it goes to Federico in Spain, the last in queue. cheers Luis--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Federico Javier Valdes Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where´s this ?? European Branch : Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Neil (UK) Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] federico - Original Message - From: Federico Valdes To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? European Branch : Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Neil (UK) Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks federico - Original Message - From: neil_hawkins2003 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: FW: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? Nice offer, me too please :-) Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Neil (UK) Regards Neil --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Ullmann" ullmannnick@ wrote: This is the European branch of this vine: Conehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK thierry barbier-fr ( correque46@ ) Les Watts leswatts@ a écrit : Ooops sorry Richard. Vine should read: Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BE richard moore uk r2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK??? Cheers Les. -Original Message- From: Les Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 March 2006 00:12 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? pt.2 EUROPE USA FLA I'd be more than keen to follow on this one. Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BEr2daft2 (leswatts@)-UK??? Cheers Les -Original Message- From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Zappa-[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Conehead Sent: 16 March 2006 23:06 To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: NEW VO FLOYD WITH ZAPPA @ AMOUGIES - WHeRE IS MUSIC POWER? pt.2 EUROPE USA FLA Europe branch: Nick Ullman-UKConehead-BE Hi, thanks Nick for offering this nice set. Can we start the European wing with me?? I promise to pass on swiftly to next in line. Thanks ... Best regards Conehead-BE --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Ullmann" ullmannnick@ wrote: Hi, all!! Another offering from the Actuel Fest at Amougies on 25th October 1969. This time it is the whole of the Pink Floyd contribution with Zappa joining the group for a mamoth "Interstellar Overdrive", preceded sy Zappa and the Floyd tuning up. This has been speed corrected, the version that is making its rounds at present is 8-10% too fast. We also have here amazing versions of "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" and "Saucerful of Secrets", where we can here the reason why Zappa admired the Floyd so much. Anyone any idea where the film of this event has ended up! It was called "Music Power". This FLAC version also contains mono versions of Dylan's "Blond on Blonde" and "Bringin' it all back home". All artwork for the Amougies is included. There will be a USA branch and a Europe and elsewhere one. Get your names down in the usual way, I will send out to the two first ones as soon as possible. Here are the details: Pink Floyd - 1969-10-25, Festival Actuel, Amougies, Belgium, Aud initial distribution of the audience tape was mastered slow, this version has been SPEED-CORRECTED. length: 75:07 4. Astronomy Domine 9:34 (was 10:53) 5. Green In The Colour 3:44 soundtrack source 6. Careful With That Axe, Eugene 9:35 soundtrack source 7. tuning up with Frank Zappa 2:44 (was 2:48) 8. Interstellar Overdrive 20:23 (was 21:03) 9. Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun 11:03 soundboard/FM source 10. A Saucerful Of Secrets 18:02 (was 18:36) David Gilmour - guitar vocals Richard
[Zappa-List] who is next for VO fz/Ponty/Valbonne 1970?
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