Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 04 May 2004 10:52, Jon LaBadie wrote: >On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:23:01AM -0600, Justin Gombos wrote: >> Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Note where the added header ended up, in the body, not the headers. > I had an X-follow-up line in the header of that message. >> > > OTOH-- if

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:23:01AM -0600, Justin Gombos wrote: > Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note where the added header ended up, in the body, not the headers. > > > OTOH-- if you want to talk about etiquette, you should try not to > > > ignore the mail-followup-to header on mailing lis

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 06:08:09AM -0700, Stephen Carville wrote: > On Monday May 03 2004 11:05 pm, Justin Gombos wrote: > > * Jonathan Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 12:44]: > > > As others have pointed out, 700 MB CD-R is probably not going to be > > > adequate for backing up multiple clien

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread pll+amanda
In a message dated: Tue, 04 May 2004 05:43:42 EDT Gene Heskett said: >But, some have setup two configurations, one that runs weekly and is >forced to do fulls on everything in the disklist, and one that runs >during the week that does the incrementals. I do not do that here, >so I'l let someo

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread Stephen Carville
On Monday May 03 2004 11:05 pm, Justin Gombos wrote: > * Jonathan Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 12:44]: > > As others have pointed out, 700 MB CD-R is probably not going to be > > adequate for backing up multiple clients across the network anyway. > > I'll have to figure that out. I'm havin

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Tue, 4 May 2004 at 12:23am, Justin Gombos wrote > Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * Jon LaBadie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 12:44]: > > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 12:44:16PM -0600, Justin Gombos wrote: > > > > > > > IMHO this was rather rude way to bring up the issue, > > > > > > F

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 04 May 2004 02:05, Justin Gombos wrote: >* Jonathan Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 12:44]: >> As others have pointed out, 700 MB CD-R is probably not going to >> be adequate for backing up multiple clients across the network >> anyway. > >I'll have to figure that out. I'm having t

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-04 Thread Paul Bijnens
Justin Gombos wrote: [... a lot of noise about one-amanda-run-equals-one-tape extrapolated to the use of CDR's instead of tapes > and wasting a lot of CDR's ... ] Now that all is said, let's see how we solve the problem. If you use the file driver, there is one directory for each run. N

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread Justin Gombos
Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Jon LaBadie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 12:44]: > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 12:44:16PM -0600, Justin Gombos wrote: > > > > > IMHO this was rather rude way to bring up the issue, > > > > First of all, I did not know whether this was an issue, that's why I

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread Justin Gombos
* Jonathan Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 12:44]: > As others have pointed out, 700 MB CD-R is probably not going to be > adequate for backing up multiple clients across the network anyway. I'll have to figure that out. I'm having trouble realizing how Amanda behaves. So far it doesn't lo

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread Justin Gombos
* Stephen Carville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 10:11]: > > What does a CD-R cost these days? About 35-40 cents apiece? The price is not the biggest issue here. I have a plastic tub full of hundreds of CDRs that were free after MIR. What I don't like is: 1) the effort of swapping the media

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread Stephen Carville
On Monday May 03 2004 09:45 am, Jonathan Dill wrote: > Jon LaBadie wrote: > >One of the concerns I have about disk-only based backup schemes is the > >total loss of data. If you encounter a 2-disk failure you lose not only > >your most recent, but all your backups. If a tape drive fails the data

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread Jonathan Dill
Jon LaBadie wrote: One of the concerns I have about disk-only based backup schemes is the total loss of data. If you encounter a 2-disk failure you lose not only your most recent, but all your backups. If a tape drive fails the data can be read on another drive. If a single tape goes bad, that i

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread whargrove
Hello, and thank you for your email. I shall be out of the office until Tuesday 4th May. Should your email require urgent attention, the please contact David Adams or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, William Hargrove

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 10:45:26AM -0400, Jonathan Dill wrote: > Which reminds me...If cost is a factor, now that FILE-DRIVER is an > option, RAID or removable hard drives may give you a better $/GB ratio > than tapes, and much more capacity than CD-R. I think this is a very > good option for a si

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-03 Thread Jonathan Dill
Which reminds me...If cost is a factor, now that FILE-DRIVER is an option, RAID or removable hard drives may give you a better $/GB ratio than tapes, and much more capacity than CD-R. I think this is a very good option for a single computer or small network like Justin described in his original e-

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-02 Thread brad
I understand your reaction, and I would likely have posted something similar during my first week or so with Amanda, but I'm a lurker by nature. I figured the answer would show itself sooner or later. I've had all of my questions answered and then some. This is one of the most information rich and

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-02 Thread whargrove
Hello, and thank you for your email. I shall be out of the office until Tuesday 4th May. Should your email require urgent attention, the please contact David Adams or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, William Hargrove

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-02 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 12:44:16PM -0600, Justin Gombos wrote: > > > IMHO this was rather rude way to bring up the issue, > > First of all, I did not know whether this was an issue, that's why I > posted here. It was certainly proper to raise an Amanda > issue/question to the amanda-users maili

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-02 Thread Jonathan Dill
Justin Gombos wrote: First of all, I did not know whether this was an issue, that's why I posted here. It was certainly proper to raise an Amanda issue/question to the amanda-users mailing list. Asking, "Can amanda do X?" is one thing, but to complain of "an absurd limitation" is, frankly, ins

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-02 Thread Justin Gombos
* Jonathan Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-02 10:27]: > Use FILE-DRIVER and wait until you have enough files to fill up the > CD-R. Or use CD-RW as your "tapes" and keep several that you can rotate > and re-use. Maybe the file-driver will suffice.. I'll have to look into that. > IMHO this wa

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-02 Thread Jonathan Dill
Use FILE-DRIVER and wait until you have enough files to fill up the CD-R. Or use CD-RW as your "tapes" and keep several that you can rotate and re-use. Oh yes, we have designed amanda specifically to satisfy your personal whims, pretty please don't reject it, it will so much hurt my feelings.

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-01 Thread Stephen Carville
On Saturday May 01 2004 08:51 pm, Justin Gombos wrote: > I was looking forward to using Amanda to backup 4-5 machines on my LAN > and one over the Internet, but something seems incredibly stupid about > the way Amanda forces the user to operate. Please tell me I'm wrong; > maybe I'm misunderstandi

Re: New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 01 May 2004 23:51, Justin Gombos wrote: >I was looking forward to using Amanda to backup 4-5 machines on my > LAN and one over the Internet, but something seems incredibly > stupid about the way Amanda forces the user to operate. Please > tell me I'm wrong; maybe I'm misunderstanding t

New to Amanda- discouraged by some absurd limitations..

2004-05-01 Thread Justin Gombos
I was looking forward to using Amanda to backup 4-5 machines on my LAN and one over the Internet, but something seems incredibly stupid about the way Amanda forces the user to operate. Please tell me I'm wrong; maybe I'm misunderstanding the documentation. If I want to perform daily backups to CD