ussion wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:55:56
> > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
> > > >
> > > >
lind general discussion writes:
> > orca when the -r switch is used replaces its last process with a new
> > process.
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:55:56
> > > From: Linux for
replaces its last process with a new
> process.
>
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:55:56
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion
> > Subject:
Hi, Didier:
I think I and you are agreeing to disagree, which is certainly OK by me,
too. It's very much a nit.
Also, I don't think I would have even spoken up had the original posting
mentioned Orca. But, it didn't. It mentioned some app called
screen-reader. That little detail has gotten lost
orca when the -r switch is used replaces its last process with a new
process.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:55:56
> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> To: Linux for blind general discussion
> Subject: Re: Orca do
I'll do my best to release it before my 70th birthday, Devin
Didier
On 15/01/2019 20:31, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Yes, I am eagerly awaiting said batch of updates, Didier.
>
> Devin Prater
>
>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Linux for blind general discussion
>> wrote:
>>
Yes, I am eagerly awaiting said batch of updates, Didier.
Devin Prater
> On Jan 15, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Linux for blind general discussion
> wrote:
>
> I think that we disagree because we are not speaking of the same thing.
>
> When I write "replace orca" I mean: replace an instance of the
I think that we disagree because we are not speaking of the same thing.
When I write "replace orca" I mean: replace an instance of the orca
application living in RAM.
When you write "restart orca" you mean: restart orca, application
usually stored on a mass storage device.
To illustrate the
I'd guess that in speech most people would say re start Orca with the
command "orca -r" or "orca --replace", and everyone would be and has
been OK with that. This only came up when someone, who probably never
read the man page for Orca, said that using the word "replace" for a
command line
OK, one more nit on this argument ...
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> Typing "orca -r", you kill this process (i.e., you remove it from
> the RAM), and you replace it with a new one.
>
The reason this is flawed is that there is no longer a Orca running once
the pid has been killed.
or blind general discussion
> > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
> >
> > Maybe there's some subtle distinction I'm not catching, but saying it
> > kills the running process and replaces it with a new one sounds like a
> > convoluted way
Well, and let me note where we do commonly use the term replace in
computing.
If I've been using mutt to read email and then suddently start using
Thunderbird instead, we would say I replaced my email application.
If I've been using bash and decided to switch to zsh, we would say I
replaced bash
This is not convincing, Didier.
Note my example of Control Alt Delete. We always call that restart. We
never call it replace. It also gives us an entire new set of pids, even
for the same apps.
If I'm reading some text file with less and kill it with Control C, I
can restart the same app reading
inux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
> I actually hold a BS in Computer Science, though I confess none of my
> classes ever went into much detail regarding process IDs, not even the
> ones that dealt with Linux(granted, even the Linux-heavy classes
> seemed design
I actually hold a BS in Computer Science, though I confess none of my
classes ever went into much detail regarding process IDs, not even the
ones that dealt with Linux(granted, even the Linux-heavy classes
seemed designed for students coming from a Windows background, and by
the time I finished my
.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 08:27:03
> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
> Maybe there's some subtle distinction I'm not catching, but saying it
&
Maybe there's some subtle distinction I'm not catching, but saying it
kills the running process and replaces it with a new one sounds like a
convoluted way of saying it restarts the process, and I think most who
aren't trying to justify the wording of the switch would say it
restarts the program.
Hello Janina,
technically your screen reader is a process in RAM, communicating
with other processes, like at-spi and speech-dispatcher.
Typing "orca -r", you kill this process (i.e., you remove it from
the RAM), and you replace it with a new one.
Here is an example.
In the a terminal I type
I rely on "orca -r" quite a bit, actually. There are any number of
conditions that can silence a running Orca that can be quickly remedied
that way. Guess I never noticed I stood for "replace," and the
juxtaposition of "screen-reader" really threw me. Replace my screen
reader? With what?
Best,
al discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 08:36:46
> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> > > Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
> > >
> > > I guess you're telling me that mate installs a
For what it's worth, I'd agree --restart would be more intuitive and
self-documenting from the perspective of a native English speaker
assuming there isn't already a --restart switch that does something
different. That said, it's ultimately the developer's decision, it's
hardly the most esoteric
n wrote:
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 08:36:46
From: Linux for blind general discussion
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
I guess you're telling me that mate installs an executable called
screen-reader? A very questionable naming, imo, given that we have
several in
blind general discussion
> To: Linux for blind general discussion
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
> To your first question, yes I am unless that got changed in mate when I
> wasn't looking. As to your second question, I did not write that
> software.
>
> On Mon
ussion
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
> I guess you're telling me that mate installs an executable called
> screen-reader? A very questionable naming, imo, given that we have
> several in the Linux ecosystem.
>
> And, if the -- need is to
blind general discussion
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion
> > Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
> >
> > Interesting, What does:
> >
> > screen-reader --replace
> >
> > do? Please explain.
> >
> > Linux for blind general discussion
019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:32:05
From: Linux for blind general discussion
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
Interesting, What does:
screen-reader --replace
do? Please explain.
Linux for blind general discussion wr
for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:32:05
> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> To: Linux for blind general discussion
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
> Interesting, What does:
>
> screen-reader --replace
>
> do? Please explai
ri, 11 Jan 2019 20:20:53
>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
>>> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I tried and installed both mate and gnone. I signed into both desktop and
>>> had n
writes:
> You may need to install speechdispatcher so screen-reader/orca can use
> it to speak.
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:20:53
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > To: blinux-list
Interesting, What does:
screen-reader --replace
do? Please explain.
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4
> just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see
> what happens. That f4 key toggles
You may need to install speechdispatcher so screen-reader/orca can use
it to speak.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:20:53
> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Orca do
019 19:44:38
> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> To: blinux-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
> With should I install mate - extra group or just Nate - extra? I installed
> Nate extra already..
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael maslo
>
> >
Hello,
I tried and installed both mate and gnone. I signed into both desktop and had
no speech. I verified with my son that orca was turned on. The volume sound is
heard but orca has no sound.
How do I fix this problem?
Sincerely,
Michael maslo
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:44, Linux for blind
With should I install mate - extra group or just Nate - extra? I installed Nate
extra already..
Sincerely,
Michael maslo
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:34, Linux for blind general discussion
> wrote:
>
> First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4
> just once. Then
First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4
just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see
what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit
it once and that should help.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
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