Re: Idea: up-to-date business card

Yeah... it's easy to sound snarky on mailing lists. I too was not trying to be sarcastic, but rereading my post, it looks like I was trying to dis Plaxo. Nothing of the sort. I too have friends who use it and love it. But for the reasons I listed, it's not really for me. There's absolutely

Re: Crossroads

On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 12:57 +0200, Mikko Rauhala wrote: > ke, 2007-03-14 kello 16:30 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz kirjoitti: > > If you're seriously considering buying a Windows Mobile over > something > > like a power adapter, which you could buy at any store for maybe 10 > > euro, this really is the wr

Re: Device support / life (was: community issues)

ons 2007-03-14 klockan 21:04 +0100 skrev Elrond: >a) I have not read anywhere, that the P1 phones will be > "expect hardware issues" devices. And at least I did > not have the impression, that FIC tries to trick us > into being their hardware laboratory rats. > > I real

Re: Device support / life

Elrond wrote: Hi all and Wolfgang, On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:12:48AM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: [...] The second cent is that many folks here are looking at the developer's phone as simply a way of getting the consumer's phone 6 months early. 2) P1 phones a) I have not read any

RE: Thanks for all the WiFI help

Yeah, great work community! Its nice to see some positive forward movement in this area, as opposed to just "discussion" about not having a certain feature. Remember that we are a fairly large community at the moment, and while discussion may be great (sometimes) other times it can divert effort a

Re: Device support / life (was: community issues)

* Elrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070314 21:14]: >c) I really hope against and can't see the orphaning of > "older hardware". One thing that we should not forget, OpenMoko is a platform, that will support any number of phones in the future, so supporting different hardware revisions of the N

Re: Call-for-WiFi (was Re: Crossroads)

On 3/14/07, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We absolutely need chipset (or even SMT module using the chipset) specifically designed for the power and size constraints of mobile phones or other equipment such as portable media players. Can you give some numbers for the power consumption

OpenMoko external developers hits the 1000 mark!

By virtue of being able to track the IP addresses of people who download the MokoMakefile (a utility that makes it easy for new developers to set up an OpenMoko build environment), I can now report that (according to the download logs) over 1100 people at unique IP addresses have downloaded the Mok

RE: Idea: up-to-date business card

Hi Matthew, You might want to have a chat to Scott Shaffer who writes a blog called The Pondering Primate. http://theponderingprimate.blogspot.com/ He goes nuts for that kind of stuff. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph > -Original Message-

Re: Idea: up-to-date business card

Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Yes... if you have a Blackberry, Treo or HTC phone, run Windows and don't mind keeping your data on Plaxo's servers, Plaxo is indeed a good solution. Still... I'm fairly certain that most GSM phones can't make the data call to the Plaxo servers _while_ they are on a

Re: Idea: up-to-date business card

Yeah... this is called "Meishi." I developed it while I was in Japan. The idea was that you put a unique bar code on the bottom of your business card. The code is essentially a serial number and URL to your online Meishi server MACed with a secret key you maintain. You give your business ca

Device support / life (was: community issues)

Hi all and Wolfgang, On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:12:48AM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: [...] > The second cent is that many folks here are looking at the developer's > phone as simply a way of getting the consumer's phone 6 months early. > These people obviously have never used early rev. en

Re: Idea: up-to-date business card

Yes... if you have a Blackberry, Treo or HTC phone, run Windows and don't mind keeping your data on Plaxo's servers, Plaxo is indeed a good solution. Still... I'm fairly certain that most GSM phones can't make the data call to the Plaxo servers _while_ they are on a voice call with someon

Re: Idea: Datatransfer during conversation

Yup.. This is the "vCard Bursting" concept. One of the designs we're working on at the Homebrew Mobile Phone Club includes a mobile phone where the audio path goes through the apps processor so it can start sending data over the GSM voice channel. There's a little more info on that at: ht

RE: Idea: up-to-date business card

It's called Plaxo. Why reinvent the wheel, works great and is free. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ole Tange > Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 20

Idea: up-to-date business card

If I receive a business card it sometimes happens I try to call a year later. At that point the person has a new phone number and I will have to look that up. I would much rather receive an intelligent business card that was always up to date. To secure anonymity we will need a protocol that will

Idea: Datatransfer during conversation

I am not sure if this idea is already described. When you have a conversation with another OpenMoko user you may want to transfer some data. It may be a business card or an URL or something similar. My idea is to have the smartphone send a synchronizing sound and then do the data transfer. Durin

Re: Crossroads

* Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070314 19:02]: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:10:22PM -0400, Mike wrote: > > > I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like > > third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee) > > what they'll work with. I guess not

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:12:11AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote: > I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you > are biting the hand that feeds you. I am not biting the hand that feeds me, but I am biting companies who knowingly and willingly disrespect both copyright law

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

Martin Lefkowitz writes: >I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are >biting the hand that feeds you. Please, I beg you, don't let this turn into a GPL license/closed firmware/other legal stuff thread. As has already been pointed out, these issues are debated daily, t

Re: Crossroads

I just briefly took a look at the chip, and yes this does look different. They are doing what Marvell is doing, and what TI did, by finally embedding a controller on the device side. How much of the MAC is on that side is a good question. I assume they are still using the host for Scatter Gather

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

Dnia środa, 14 marca 2007, Imre Kaloz napisał: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:07:45 +0100, Grahame Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What about the Marvell® 88W8385 module used on the wifistix > > Open source drivers can be found at http://gumstix.com > No open source drivers for that either. If you chec

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are biting the hand that feeds you. If you succeed in getting companies afraid to be adding modules to a kernel for fear of having to expose their detailed register layout to the public either by documentation or code you will kil

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:51:37 +0100, Martin Lefkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I disagree with that premise that it is a nasty legal area. Modules can be proprietary this is a fact. Grey area, but hard to argue until they use any GPL code or symbol. If it were not then everybody would ha

Re: Crossroads

Dnia środa, 14 marca 2007, Mike napisał: > If what you say is true, I can't imagine what the business case is for > expensive third-party phones.  "Here's a $350 device, good luck getting > it to be useful. Pick a two year contract and cross your fingers." Expensive? Unlocked Nokia 6280 costs sam

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:51:37AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote: > I disagree with that premise that it is a nasty legal area. > > Modules can be proprietary this is a fact. > > Not only have I been directly involved in the development of such, but > have talked to people that did serious rese

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

I disagree with that premise that it is a nasty legal area. Modules can be proprietary this is a fact. Not only have I been directly involved in the development of such, but have talked to people that did serious research on what is legal and what isn't. If it were not then everybody would ha

Atheros AR6K (was Re: Crossroads)

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:43:26 +0100, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Atheros AR6K - check http://atheros.com/pt/AR6001Bulletins.htm , and for the fully GPL'ed driver and SDIO stack please check http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/ This really sounds like a viable chipset. Howe

Re: Crossroads

On Wednesday 14 March 2007 17:10, Mike wrote: > I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like > third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee) > what they'll work with. I guess not. Metaphorically speaking, you're looking at the wrong end of the cha

Re: Crossroads

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:10:22PM -0400, Mike wrote: > I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like > third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee) > what they'll work with. I guess not. I don't understand what is wrong about selling a device th

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:52:56 +0100, jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Imre Kaloz wrote: Atheros AR6K - check http://atheros.com/pt/AR6001Bulletins.htm , and for the fully GPL'ed driver and SDIO stack please check http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/ I hardly think you will find a be

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now if some of you ask yourself: But you're having binary-only GPS code! > My answer is: > > 1) it's in userspace, and thus not a legal issue at all. Nobody argues >that running Oracle on top of a Linux kernel is a GPL violation. No >grey arae.

Re: Crossroads

Mike wrote: Thanks Harald, I'm out, I think I speak for us all when I say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya". ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Crossroads

The Prism is not getting much traction in the market. The company has been bounced around from owner to owner. I would think that using the prism in a design would be very risky because the chip may not be around for the life of the product. Marty > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:55:49 +0100 > From

RE: Crossroads

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 14 March 2007 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; Scott Rushforth Subject: Re: Crossroads Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you coul

Re: Crossroads

Hi Mike, Why don't you contact your local service provider and ask them if their service plans lock out 3rd party devices? While they can't tell you about the FIC phone specifically they should be able to tell you if they have something in place hindering 3rd party phones from working with their se

Re: Crossroads

On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 12:01 -0400, Mike Krier wrote: > > What I'm arguing for is that you either get wifi on the device OR > > provide official info about what service plan will work for the > device. > > Sorry- NYC = New York City. I get so used to abbreviating it. (Hey > what country is the

Re: Call-for-WiFi (was Re: Crossroads)

On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:34:48 Harald Welte wrote: > I've added this (and some more info) to > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko I've added a link to http://www.zcomax.com/1mbfile/G%20product/XG-880M_specification%20.pdf to the wiki. prplague on #openmoko is working on

Re: Crossroads

Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:21:06PM -0400, Mike wrote: What this has to do with wifi is covered in my last email. If I can't have wifi on the device, then I have to rely on the mobile service provider. If I have to rely on the mobile service provider, then I have to fig

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:01:08AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote: > In my opinion, unless there is another company that can meet his > requirements, the only real answer is to have an SDIO interface and let > the end user/developer decide how to load a binary into the kernel from > the chipset ven

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:33:44PM +0100, Sebastian Mancke wrote: > Although it has a closed firmware, I found this announcement > http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-April/003575.html > with no replies on the maemo mailing list. Maybe someone who is faster > in than than me should t

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 10:38:38AM -0700, dimitris wrote: > Intel's laptop-oriented chips have GPL drivers, albeit with binary > modules - but not *kernel* binary modules. > > The 3945abg driver uses a binary userspace daemon and a binary on-chip > microcode: that is already old news. their new

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:21:06PM -0400, Mike wrote: > What this has to do with wifi is covered in my last email. If I can't > have wifi on the device, then I have to rely on the mobile service > provider. If I have to rely on the mobile service provider, then I have > to figure out what pla

Re: Crossroads

Mike wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you could just tell us where you want to use this device? Plus you're really arguing for no reason. This thread was _us_ asking _you_ for help getting WiFi into this phone ;-) -Sean Sean, I did that in my thread

Re: Crossroads

On Tuesday 13 March 2007 17:52, you wrote: > > 1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know > this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're > beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we still can't seem > to find a vendor that meets our strict req

Call-for-WiFi (was Re: Crossroads)

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:51:00AM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > 1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know > this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're > beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we still can't seem > to find a vendor t

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 06:35:36PM +0100, Imre Kaloz wrote: > Hello Sean, > > > 1) We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers -- We know > > this has been discussed (to death) on this list, but as we're > > beginning work on the next summer hardware refresh we still can't seem > > to find

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (

* Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070314 16:37]: > On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote: > > > Andreas > > The wap APN does provide "generic" internet access. But the difference > > is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably > > can't use it with

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (

NAT makes life harder for a VPN, but not impossible. The easiest case is if you've got a machine tucked away someplace that doesn't use NAT, you can use it as an openvpn server and have all the clients hidden behind NATed firewalls. That's actually what I do -- I've got an old machine under my de

Re: Crossroads

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you could just tell us where you want to use this device? Plus you're really arguing for no reason. This thread was _us_ asking _you_ for help getting WiFi into this phone ;-) -Sean Sean, I did that in my thread "What mobil

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (

That suggests that the isp apn does not use nat. If so that's cool. OTOH all (admittingly European carriers) do nat for internet access. OTOH the wap apns provide a walled garden that include a wap proxy that allows surfing http sites. Despite how many people associate internet==IE, having a pro

community issues (was: Crossroads)

This Gogole training video showed up in slashdot a few days ago, but might be worth reposting here. The title is a bit on the nasty side, but the message itself is much more positive. Folks in other countries might want to edit the url's ".com" to point to their regional google and get a bit fas

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (

On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote: > > Andreas > The wap APN does provide "generic" internet access. But the difference > is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably > can't use it with a VPN (you would need PDA Connect if that is a > requirement for

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

I did some research on Nanoradio for my employer. They have very good specs, actually the best I've seen for power. I'm not sure how mature the product is. Nowhere does it mention opensource. Marty > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:50:49 -0800 > From: "Steve Bibayoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello,

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (

Andreas Kostyrka wrote: well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet connectivity with it. But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser, then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different than what you expe

Re: [openmoko-announce] Crossroads

e development tools such as: >> > >> >* bugtracker, >> >* source control management, >> >* wiki, >> >* mailing lists >> > >> > is a necessity. >> > >> > We've lo

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (

well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet connectivity with it. But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser, then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different than what you expect from it. Andreas__

Thanks for all the WiFI help

Dear Community, A _huge_ thanks for all the feedback on this WiFi stuff! We've got some new leads now and will keep you all posted when we find one that meets our "freedom requirements." ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :((

Eric Heinemann wrote: Guys/Gals, Cingular is not clear as to which data plan is the proper one to purchase for a specific phone. Some reps are well informed, while others are not. I currently have a Blackjack, and after 3 days of asking which is the proper plan I just decided to screw it an

Re: Crossroads

I don't know about you guys, but even if I couldn't get a compatible plan, I'd probably buy the device anyway. A gorgeous, open Linux device backed by a community like this one? I think it's definitely worth the $350. On 3/14/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-13 a

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :((

Guys/Gals, Cingular is not clear as to which data plan is the proper one to purchase for a specific phone. Some reps are well informed, while others are not. I currently have a Blackjack, and after 3 days of asking which is the proper plan I just decided to screw it and went with the $40/mont

Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :((

Robert Michel wrote: PS: Ahh, and when your aim is to sabotage openmoko (or someone would try it in your style) your noise will not stopp anybody here who is seriously active on/with openmoko - no it will/would strengthen the community. Yeah, through all that ranting I think I/we actually laid ou

I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :((

Mike (or better everybody new to this project/list)! I'm in favor to welcome everybody on this list, to respect him and to help that his interest, effort and skills will be supported and answered that it is most efficent for him and the community. But as hard as I try to stay patient and friendly

Re: Crossroads

On Wednesday 14 March 2007 09:30, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > I have a much more important question, however: will the Neo work with > > european electrons, or will I need to import asian ones? If I'd need > > to > > import a new set of electrons to use for charging my battery every > > time > > it

Re: Crossroads

ke, 2007-03-14 kello 16:30 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz kirjoitti: > If you're seriously considering buying a Windows Mobile over something > like a power adapter, which you could buy at any store for maybe 10 > euro, this really is the wrong the device for you now. Sean, Sean, Sean, all the trolling h

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 19:09 +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote: > > Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an > > externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw > revision? > > I would very much welcome a standard

Re: Crossroads

On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 00:58 +0100, Robin Sonefors wrote: > I have a much more important question, however: will the Neo work with > european electrons, or will I need to import asian ones? If I'd need > to > import a new set of electrons to use for charging my battery every > time > it runs out, it

Re: Crossroads

hank williams skrev: On 3/13/07, *Gabriel Ambuehl* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote: > Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an > externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for th

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 20:14 +0100, Danijel Orsolic wrote: > I hope you don't mind; I've copied your call for help here: > http://www.mobiliberty.com/openmoko_needs_your_help > > And I submit it to a popular GNU/Linux news site. More exposure means > greater chances of you finding the help you need

Re: Crossroads

On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 15:21 -0400, Mike wrote: > This is open source development. So we developers aren't making > money > here. I for, one am NOT willing to pay $350 to get a device that I'm > not sure will work with whatever service I choose, and therefore that > I'm not sure I can even deve