Re: Is Israel a Democracy? -- The problem with intellectually insecure whites -- Should Christians Support Israeli Terrorism in Gaza?

Wow. Are you an employee of openMoko? How incredibly inappropriate. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > The Jewish State of Israel has no constitution, nor does it name its borders. > Israel's hidden constitution is Judaism. Israel's undeclared borders range > fro

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

> Your argument is similar to suggesting Nike has superior > engineering because they have the coolest shoes. > uhh... yes. The coolest shoes come from doing real *engineering*. Unless by cool you just mean pretty colors. An *incredible* amount of engineering goes into the creation of nike shoes.

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

products from an engineering perspective is incredibly hard. What experiences do you have on this front which would suggest otherwise. > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 1:52 PM > *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion > *Subject:* Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness) > > > I

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

> If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense > opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing anyways? > In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing and engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and y

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seemed like a very strange re

Re: GPS/Cell phone patent issue

On Jan 25, 2008 8:33 PM, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=280&Category=2&Lid=1 > > Now I guess I should post a link to an iPhone commercial. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openm

Re: GPS/Cell phone patent issue

On Jan 25, 2008 8:14 PM, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 25, 2008 5:42 PM, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Again, since you seem to have missed it. The thing that you say no one > > will opt for (over the air maps), is the way that milli

Re: GPS/Cell phone patent issue

On Jan 25, 2008 7:47 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hank williams wrote: > > I don't think any phones are going to come with > > navigation data built in. > > To my knowldge, the Samsung Blackjack 2 from AT&T includes maps from > TeleNav. You ha

Re: GPS/Cell phone patent issue

I'm puzzled why you responded *twice* to the same email. And I'm sure somehow you missed the email that was actually a response to your first answer. Again, since you seem to have missed it. The thing that you say no one will opt for (over the air maps), is the way that millions of phones per mont

Re: GPS/Cell phone patent issue

On Jan 25, 2008 7:11 PM, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In other words, like it or not, if this patent is valid (who knows) > > and its scope is what it looks like (I'm not a lawyer) it will have a > > significant impact on the *phone* world. > In other words, *you* consider GTA to be a *

Re: GPS/Cell phone patent issue

On Jan 25, 2008 6:17 PM, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hmm... The patent purports to cover getting *any* information based on > > where you are, including maps. So unless all the map information or > > whatever information you need can fit on your phone you are not > > interested in it?

Re: GPS/Cell phone patent issue

On Jan 25, 2008 5:37 PM, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Fr 25. Januar 2008 schrieb hank williams: > [...] > > "It appears that, in essence, the patents cover a phone providing current > > location information to a remote database which returns to the phone

GPS/Cell phone patent issue

Today I blogged about a companythat has a patent on what I would call the essence of putting a GPS in a cell phone. I provided some details on the patent in my blog, but the essence of the story is covered in this excerpt

Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer

> Not sure about the Polar units, but for things using ANT like the suunto > cheststraps there are these: > http://www.thisisant.com/index.php?section=31 Thanks, Yes I am familiar with ant, but was curious if polar was the same thing or some different broadcast system. Hank

Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer

On Dec 4, 2007 7:39 AM, Neil Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you are referring to the signal from the Polar straps, it is not really > a protocol... > It is just a magnetic pules transmitted when the heart beat occurs.. so is there a receiver chip one could buy to detect these magnetic

Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer

On Dec 4, 2007 7:11 AM, Neil Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Hank, > I think what he's saying is that you can get after market receivers for > polar chest straps > eg http://www.concept2.com/us/products/heart/default.asp, which I have used > myself in projects.. ok, but what is the prot

Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer

> You can get receivers for Polar chest straps that signal beats with > gpio-accessible pulses. If the Neo1973 isn't completely packed inside, it > should be an easy add-on. I dont understand what you are saying here. Are you saying there is a wireless reciever on the market which can be purchased

Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer

> - external sensors (cadence, heart rate) Many bicycle computers show cadence > and heartrate, based on input from external sensors. Could something like > that be done with the Neo? > I am a cyclist and these inputs would be critical for me. All that stuff is wireless. I wonder if it would be

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

On Nov 17, 2007 3:04 AM, Dietz Proepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hank williams: > > On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > > > v

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

Yes absolutely I meant !open. And yes I agree with the rest of your statement. Hank On Nov 16, 2007 8:52 AM, Attila Csipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 16 November 2007 13:29:50 hank williams wrote: > > Though I do know many in th open source community feel this way. I

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that > google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. > > -Will I do hope and expect android to be op

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

exactly accurate respose/analysis. Hank On Nov 14, 2007 4:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Darwin wrote: > > > > Anything less will lead to this sort of frustration, over and over > again. > It is not always possible. > > The way I figured it out, the GSM module will alway

Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons

> > Yes, I'm quite aware that the GTA02 meets these requirements, as does > the UTC universal. > I wouldn't have posted here after all and named those two phones > otherwise. > The question is, do any _other_ phones also fall into this category? Of > course, I do want > to run OpenMoko, and will d

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

This article compares smart phone adoption among > recent buyers as of the time of writing in different countries - US adoption > was pretty abysmal back in 2006. While I'm sure it's increased since then, > 20-30% is still a very far stretch. I think 8% would be more accurate. > The problem is t

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

> Common, take a look outside of your own borders. It's hard to inmagine an Open > Source phone gaining any traction at all in the US, land of software patents, > closed standards and telco control. There are quit a few OSS projects doing > just fine despite being illegal in the US, an Open Source

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

On 11/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think > >through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took > >a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this > >substantially sets b

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think > > through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took > > a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this > > substantially sets

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

Yeah, I am pretty amazed at this one. Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this substantially sets back the development effort, it

Re: Buglabs

On 9/18/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well Q4 07 is either 12 days away or 120+12-1 for December 30th depending > on how you look at it J > > > > If they have just opened up the closed beta process this means they have > some time to go before being available for retail. > Acuta

Re: Buglabs

n Pty Ltd > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +1-212-203-4357 Ph > +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). > -- > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams > *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 September 2007 10:30 AM > *To:* List for

Re: Buglabs

--- > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams > *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 September 2007 9:54 AM > *To:* List for OpenMoko community discussion > *Subject:* Re: Buglabs > > > > > > On 9/17/07, *Lalo Martins* <

Re: Buglabs

On 9/17/07, Lalo Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also spracht hank williams (Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:51 -0400): > > I also think that using their stuff on openmoko would > > be incredibly cool. > > I was kind of thinking in the opposite direction... running Ope

Re: Buglabs

Yes, They are making some very cool stuff. Its a modular consumer electronics platform. I went to one of their mixers a few weeks ago. I think it is going to be a hit. I also think that using their stuff on openmoko would be incredibly cool. Hank On 9/17/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: mailing list management

Harald, While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS, this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I said earlier, the Apache groups (perhaps the largest FOSS umbrella) for example, and many (most?) others do not have the default reply-to g

Re: mailing list management

> > ... why should all mailing lists change their "standard?" behaviour only > cause some minority? (poll?) of email clients dont support these > functions ? I will no longer discuss the merits of this issue, but I feel obliged to address two factually inaccurate statements. 1. Gmail is not a m

Re: Fwd: mailing list management

> Do the people suggesting these changes > think that they really know better about how this list should be set up? Yup. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

mailing list management

Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch. -- Forwarded message -- From: hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: mailing list management To: Daniel Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I > use pager notification for my e-mails and text pa

Fwd: mailing list management

Oops. As usual I hit "reply to" and it went to casey personally Its broken. -- Forwarded message ------ From: hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Aug 14, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: mailing list management To: Casey Harkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Munging

Re: mailing list management

> > I think that this is not useful at all. > Actually it would be quite useful. Without such a header I am unable to *visually* distinguish between this and other mailing lists or mail. Filters are useful for organizing, but I personally prefer to see my whole inbox and to view and scan all inbo

Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.

Wow, what a classy thing - to start a flame and then admit error. Hats off to you. Regards, Hank On 8/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sean: > > I've decided I'm just going to swallow the charge - applied by Customs to > the value of the kit as declared on the waybill. I

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

A company called bugLabs is working on this concept. http://www.buglabs.net/ They have not publicly announced the details of their product, but the idea of modular (probably open source) pocket consumer electronics seems to be their focus. Hank On 7/3/07, Jonas Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: > As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much > less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing > apps with flash re

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On 3/22/07, Philippe De Swert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards you. However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of people tend to ignore. So you admit being one of those "evil" people that make websites

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing flash development, and the pervasiveness and importance of the flash platform creates a really serious problem with the religious perspective about everything openmoko being open source. Flash is a critical element of the i

Re: Crossroads

On 3/13/07, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote: > Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an > externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw revision? I would very much welcome a standard SD slot any

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

@ Hank, please don't be spiteful. We get nowhere by name-calling. Marcel, You are right. Despite the suggestions that I as a gmail user 1. dont know any better" 2. am ignorant, 3. shouldnt be on the list 4. am somehow imoral for using gmail 5. am assisting gmail in spying on him I shouldnt ha

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

list. Regards, Hank On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:00 -0500, hank williams wrote: > On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: > > > hmm... guess

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

Oh, and one more thing. You've been told this by others before, but you igore it so I will say it again. You keep changing the subject of your posts, and whether you like it or not you are screwing up gmail threading, and I suspect threading from other programs. That wouldnt be so bad if your new

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

> Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like > and that I use. > And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing > over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on > the side of the page by scanning your email, Yes, google is sca

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: > hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail "the > better way". With your way, even if you change the subject it would be > part of t

Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

But webmailer and services payed with adverticement and data mining are still sub optimal solutions and IMHO provoking when they are producing problems - e.g. based on that the users does known only hotmail.com, AOL, gmail or outlook and does not know that there are more and better solutions

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

least the many high volume lists that I am on behave. Its kind of like being with a woman. You have to decide whether you would rather be happy, or be right. They are mutually exclusive! Regards, Hank On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:2

Re: This explains the CC'ing but what's about the missing references? Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

On 2/13/07, Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Salve hank! This explains the CC'ing. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: > I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail > and think I understand the problem. > > The problem is with t

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

On 2/13/07, Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Salve hank! Thank you for your feedback ;) On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: > You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads > properly. Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users explain gma

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail and think I understand the problem. The problem is with the list. I am on 15 tech mailing lists, and this is the only one which, if I in gmail say "reply to" replys to the sender and not to the list. I NEVER*** want to re

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

Robert, You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads properly. In fact I think it is the best product on the market, free or otherwise, for handling threads. The problem which you are referring to has nothing to do with gmail, but with the fact that some people mistakenl

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

In summary: ignore the trolls and keep doing what you're doing. Indeed. Ditto! Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones

ore, but many people have different perspectives on what it takes to make great products. I am not sure why anyone would care about my views on this subject. On 1/18/07, Richard Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/18/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe too man

Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones

> It's the Linux-will-fork story all over. Empirical evidence suggests > that your fear won't happen. > >Nope. I don't have any fears and wasn't talking about forking. I am just >saying that often, too many cooks spoil the stew. Not really. What you are refering to is that not

Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones

Thanks. Great, very helpful answer! Hank On 1/18/07, Sencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/18/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I mean by this is that it seems everyone is saying that the big > difference is that you can get 3rd party *real apps* on the

Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones

On 1/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070118 14:01]: > Beside the point that an *average* user doesn't see the potential of > open source on a mobile - what are your experiances and demands on > a

what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones

Beside the point that an *average* user doesn't see the potential of open source on a mobile - what are your experiances and demands on a smart phone? When you look at the devices that you know or use(d): - What does you miss most? - What does you hate most? - What does you like/used most? wel

what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones

What I mean by this is that it seems everyone is saying that the big difference is that you can get 3rd party *real apps* on the phone. And this is said as if windows mobile phones like moto q, blackjack and pocket PC phones wont allow this. Now I am not saying open source isnt great. But from yo

Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary

On 1/17/07, Attila Csipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 18 January 2007 00:09, Renaissance Man wrote: > Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the mobile > communications revolution is through VoIP via WiFi. This is the > killer app. Could you share with us WHY do you

Is anyone on this list in NY

My company is developing a product and is looking for programmers to develop software for this and other mobile linux platforms and would love to talk to people - particularly in the new york area. Regards, Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list commu

Re: Shiny geek toy?

I think you are generally right, with some caveat. It's really a chicken/egg problem. Will the carriers come first, or the applications? It is possible that in 2007, linux based extensible phones will become the rage. We have greenphone, Access, and open moko. But if carriers feel that these pla

Re: data speeds

Thanks. Just what I needed. Hank On 11/26/06, Koen Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hank williams schreef: > Thanks. > > And from what I have read in the archives no wifi yet, is that right? If > I wanted to get data into the ph

Re: data speeds

Thanks. And from what I have read in the archives no wifi yet, is that right? If I wanted to get data into the phone is there a usb port? Hank On 11/26/06, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/26/06 2:14 AM, "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

data speeds

Could someone tell me how fast the phone will be able to transmit data, and what type of networks will be able to deliver that speed? I am developing an internet based music service and part of my model is delivering music on mobile phones wirelessly. But phones have either had a sufficiently fas