Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-05-26 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
Reiser's case is more complicated than that. Anyway let's not bring it. 05/25/15 03:03 -ին Bob Hamը գրել է. > On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 01:54 -0700, Brolin Empey wrote: >> Bob Ham wrote: > >>> I don't know any other free software developers who >>> threaten to murder those who get in the way of their

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-05-24 Thread Bob Ham
On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 01:54 -0700, Brolin Empey wrote: > Bob Ham wrote: > > I don't know any other free software developers who > > threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. > > Hans Reiser? ;-) Hans Reiser murdered his wife who had left him, not someone who got in the way of hi

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-05-24 Thread Brolin Empey
Bob Ham wrote: > On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 17:11 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: >> It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive >> great personal satisfaction from doing something that benefits a >> larger community > > True. However, there's a very big difference betw

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> but still very different from the the goals of Free Software. > Are they very different? As long as this FreeCalypso code stays very obscure and marginal, in practice the difference might not matter that much. I think what you're saying is that from an Open Source point of view, his effort is j

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-28 Thread mail
>FWIW, last I checked, his work does sadly not enjoy any of those >freedoms. Yes, you *can* look at the code, change it, and redistribute >it, but you're not legally allowed to because the source code he has >is proprietary. > le sigh Imagine you are broke and starving hungry (that's quite easy

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that > offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the > four freedoms. FWIW, last I checked, his work does sadly not enjoy any of those freedoms. Yes, you *can* look at the code, change it, and redistri

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-23 Thread mail
> >I guess I was misled by OsmocomBB's website; it certainly seems to be saying >that that is exactly what it is--on the front page of >http://bb.osmocom.org/>: > > In short: By using OsmocomBB on a compatible phone, > you will be able to make and receive phone calls, > se

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Matthias Apitz
As this thread/threat has not much to do with Openmoko, could you please move this away from this list, talk off-list about or create somewhere another mailing list for this idea. Thanks in advance matthias (long term user on GTA-02) -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixa

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham wrote: > As I said, perhaps I can help you to achieve some peace. Your "help" in that department is unwelcome and unwanted. I kindly ask that you please stop your unwelcome intrusion into my personal life. > However, an > absence of your writings on this list would benefit me and the w

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 15:42 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > Bob Ham wrote: > > > I disagree. The same pathological need still seems very much present. > > And the emphasis here is on the "pathological". In your emails to this > > list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham wrote: > I disagree. The same pathological need still seems very much present. > And the emphasis here is on the "pathological". In your emails to this > list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological > disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the wider > commun

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 21:28 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > Bob Ham wrote: > > > > Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my > > > life > > > > What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do > > that? > > I consider this status quo to be a

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > GSM What is it about GSM that would make you move across the world just to use it? Do your family and friends feel the same way about GSM? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:PaulWise ___

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Paul Wise wrote: > In 2017, AT&T will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in > favour of 3G/4G. If AT&T likes losing customers, it's their choice. I use T-Mobile (satisfied customer since 2003 with just one short break before I entered the libre phone scene in 2011), and I saw somewhe

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends In 2017, AT&T will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in favour of 3G/4G. Macau is planning to shut down their GSM services in June 2015. I would hazar

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham wrote: > > Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my > > life > > What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do > that? I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends etc, and have had one continuously since 2003.

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 17:11 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > Bob Ham wrote: > > > Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? > > Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my > life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? > It i

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham wrote: > Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life, and I need this essential communication device to be free from closed black-box firmware. It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 15:38 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > > I wish you healing and wellness. > > Those will happen automatically as soon as I have a phone in my purse > that runs my own firmware. Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? __

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread mail
>> Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that >> offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four >> freedoms. > >OsmocomBB? > No A fine project I have no doubt, but it's not aimed at producing firmware for an end-user phone. I believe

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > OsmocomBB? Unfortunately they seem to have absolutely no interest in producing a phone (or firmware for a phone) which an end user could carry in her purse. Their software absolutely requires the phone to be tethered to a PC at all times (instead of running the GSM

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 21:32 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > I am not > asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you > put me through They didn't put you through torture, you put yourself through it. You continue to do that now, in different ways. The person who y

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
On 04/18/2015 08:30 AM, m...@dmatthews.org wrote: >> I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading >> your updates > > +1 but s/partly/entirely [although I also didn't enjoy reading threats :-)] > > Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 21:32:21 Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > I am not > asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you > put me through - so why are people asking me to apologize for my > reaction to that torture? Listen buddy! NOBODY TORTURED YOU, except you yourself did

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Thanks for brining it up, Neil. Alas, you see, it's in vain. Despite al= > l the=20 > good will from our side. [...] I don't hold any grudges against you. I don't consider you an enemy. I don't have any ill will toward you or any of your former coworkers who badly hur

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 09:41:03 n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: > I wonder if you might now consider retracting and apologising for those, and > undertake not to repeat similar in future? Thanks for brining it up, Neil. Alas, you see, it's in vain. Despite all the good will from our side. This guy

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 20:22:31 m...@dmatthews.org wrote: > yeah crazy - the four freedoms on a cell phone - only a nut case would dream > that one up you're completely missing the point. this guy threatening OM and me personally to kill me when I don't grant him access to sources which even OM had

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread mail
> >futile effort to educate persons with such mental issues. >s/educate/cure/ yeah crazy - the four freedoms on a cell phone - only a nut case would dream that one up -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@l

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 17:41:02 Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: > I would never had been able to work on a project like FreeCalypso - > neither technically nor emotionally - while there were persons in the > so-called "community" taunting me with "we have this source which > would make a night-and-day

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: > but I find it hard to forget the unacceptably violent threats that you've > made in the past (on this list) towards particular people. The people you are referring to tormented me in the most heinous manner for a full 2 years (from the fall of 2011 till about the

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread mail
>I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading >your updates +1 but s/partly/entirely [although I also didn't enjoy reading threats :-)] Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread neil
A non-technical comment that you can take or leave - but it is my genuine response to your writings... I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates; but I find it hard to forget the unacceptably violent threats that you've made in the past (on this list)