Re: [Computer-go] mini-max with Policy and Value network

2017-06-07 Thread Hideki Kato
Alvaro Begue: : >On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: > >> (3) CNN cannot learn exclusive-or function due to the ReLU >> activation function, instead of traditional sigmoid (tangent >> hyperbolic). CNN is good at approximating continuous (analog) >> functions but Boolean (digital)

Re: [Computer-go] mini-max with Policy and Value network

2017-06-07 Thread Hideki Kato
Generalizing shoulder-hit moves on lower lines may prefer the move in question. Hideki Gian-Carlo Pascutto: : >On 23-05-17 17:19, Hideki Kato wrote: >> Gian-Carlo Pascutto: <0357614a-98b8-6949-723e-e1a849c75...@sjeng.org>: >> >>> Now, even the original AlphaGo played moves that surprised human

Re: [Computer-go] What was the final score after the counting of AlphaGo-vs-Ke Jie Game #1?

2017-06-07 Thread Hideki Kato
No. With Chinese rules and 7.5 komi, the result is W+0.5. With Japanese rules and 7.5 komi, the result is W+1.5. Because black played the final move in the game (so the number of black stones is one more than white). Hideki Michael Alford: : >Half point is the result using Japanese komi 6.5,

Re: [Computer-go] mini-max with Policy and Value network

2017-06-07 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi, just my 2 Cent. "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" wrote: > In the attached SGF, AlphaGo played P10, which was considered a very > surprising move by all commentators... > I can sort-of confirm this: > > 0.295057654 (E13) > ...(60 more moves follow)... > 0.11952 (P10) > > So, 0.001% probability.

[Computer-go] AlphaGo won second game against Ke Jie, 2-0

2017-06-07 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
(;GM[1]SZ[19] PB[AlphaGo] PW[Ke Jie] DT[2017-05-25] RE[B+R] KM[7.5]TM[180]RU[Chinese]PC[Wuzhen, China]GN[game2] ;B[qp];W[pd];B[cq];W[cd];B[ec];W[oq];B[pn];W[df];B[nc];W[qf] ;B[pc];W[qc];B[qb];W[oc];B[pb];W[od];B[ob];W[rc];B[nd];W[mb] ;B[lc];W[lb];B[qd];W[rd];B[jc];W[mc];B[pe];W[oe];B[ld];W[kp] ;B[

[Computer-go] Alphago

2017-06-07 Thread Detlef Schmicker
Hi, might be a little impolite, but I wonder about the strength of alphago. The version playing Ke Jie seems to be about as strong (or stronger) as Ke Jie is. I have the feeling the playing strength is carefully chosen not to be too strong. In the press conference it was told, alphago is running

[Computer-go] Functioning?

2017-06-07 Thread Michael Alford
I haven't seen a post to the group in three days. That can't be possible, with the event in China. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] winning probability on empty board

2017-06-07 Thread Harald Bögeholz
Hi, I heard at the press conference after the second match that Ke Jie has asked to take white for today's match against AlphaGo because he thinks his chances of winning are better. I am wondering what AlphaGo's evaluation of the empty board would be. Does anybody know? How about other strong pr

[Computer-go] AlphaGo Retires

2017-06-07 Thread Petr Baudis
After winning against Ke Jie 3-0 https://deepmind.com/research/alphago/alphago-china/ AlphaGo retires from competitive Go. The team released 50 selfplay games, will work on a teaching tool and publishing a second paper. https://blog.google/topics/google-asia/alphagos-next-move

[Computer-go] Query

2017-06-07 Thread Michael Alford
I have seen no posts to the group since May 23, not even my own. What is happening? Could someone email me, please? Michael ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] Mailing list working?

2017-06-07 Thread J. van der Steen
Hi all, Is there something wrong with the mailing list? I didn't see any messages since the 23rd of May. best regards, Jan van der Steen ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] Human Bias for 50 game selection? 0.5 Komi?

2017-06-07 Thread David Ongaro
Dear Aya, I hope you still read this list and will answer a question once in a while even though AlphaGo has retired. On fb you answered Cho Seok-bins question "I heard that alphaGo master is 3stone stronger than sedol version. Is it only rating deference? or did they have played with 3stone had

[Computer-go] Xeon Phi result

2017-06-07 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Hi all, I managed to get a benchmark off of a Intel® Xeon Phi™ Processor 7250 16GB, 1.40 GHz, 68 core (272 thread) system. I used a version of Leela essentially identical to the public Leela 0.10.0, but compiled with -march=knl (using gcc 5.3), using an appropriate version of Intel MKL (2017.1 fo

[Computer-go] DeepMind's Victory over Ke Jie

2017-06-07 Thread Cai Gengyang
Hi guys, Just a couple of questions : 1) Is it true that DeepMind's comprehensive victory over Ke Jie means that essentially it is proven to be true that AI has definitely triumphed over humanity ? 2) Also, I read that AG's style is "conservative" -- i.e. it almost always prefers the higher chan

Re: [Computer-go] mini-max with Policy and Value network

2017-06-07 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 24-05-17 05:33, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: >> So, 0.001% probability. Demis commented that Lee Sedol's winning move in >> game 4 was a one in 10 000 move. This is a 1 in 100 000 move. > > In Summer 2016 I checked the games of AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol > with repeated runs of CrazyStone DL: > In 3 of 20

[Computer-go] Multi-Labelled Value Networks for Computer Go

2017-06-07 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi, CGI team published interesting paper. Their value network is +130 Elo stronger than simple value network. Multi-Labelled Value Networks for Computer Go https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.10701 By the way, I had not received any mails since May 23. And today I got three Kato's mail that posted May 2

[Computer-go] successor of UEC Cup will be held in December 9, 2017

2017-06-07 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Web page says, - The successor tournament of the UEC Cup will be held on the following schedule.  Date: 9th to 10th December 2017 The organizer of this new event is "IGO & SHOGI CHANNEL INC.". The regulation and rule of the compe

Re: [Computer-go] Functioning?

2017-06-07 Thread kevin long
Maybe we are all depressed about it. 😀 On Jun 7, 2017 10:48 AM, "Michael Alford" wrote: > I haven't seen a post to the group in three days. That can't be possible, > with the event in China. > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.o

Re: [Computer-go] DeepMind's Victory over Ke Jie

2017-06-07 Thread Xavier Combelle
Le 7 juin 2017 22:21, "Cai Gengyang" a écrit : Hi guys, Just a couple of questions : 1) Is it true that DeepMind's comprehensive victory over Ke Jie means that essentially it is proven to be true that AI has definitely triumphed over humanity ? I would say together with the 60-0 win of the Ma

Re: [Computer-go] Mailing list working?

2017-06-07 Thread Erik van der Werf
Yup, looks like something broke. Here everything that was sent after the 23rd only arrived today (June 7)... Ah well, it's game-over anyway :-) On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 7:51 AM, J. van der Steen < j.van.der.st...@gobase.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is there something wrong with the mailing list? I

Re: [Computer-go] Mailing list working?

2017-06-07 Thread hamburg.de
So Computer-go achieved its goal and we can close this list? > On Jun 7, 2017, at 15:33, Erik van der Werf wrote: > > Yup, looks like something broke. Here everything that was sent after the 23rd > only arrived today (June 7)... Ah well, it's game-over anyway :-) > > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 7