Mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I think where we differ is that I'm
> extremely pessimististic about human
> nature. It's not that I don't like the
> idealistic picture, I just don't see
> that it can work out that way.
I agree that that is what differentiates our outlooks. Let me approach it
I think where we differ is that I'm extremely pessimististic about human
nature. It's not that I don't like the idealistic picture, I just don't
see that it can work out that way.
Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> >
> > The idealism that I refer to is the concept that human beings can create
> > something
At 6:09 PM -0700 4/30/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I think where we differ is that I'm extremely pessimististic about human
>nature. It's not that I don't like the idealistic picture, I just don't
>see that it can work out that way.
First, being extremely pessimistic about human nature is _prec
At 3:28 PM -0400 4/30/01, Faustine wrote:
>Quoting Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>
>> At 6:32 PM -0700 4/28/01, Tim May wrote:
>> >
>> >(You see, the "quick review" process is much better than the method
>> >you suggested re: economics, that people read the main textbooks.
>> >People don't
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From: "Eveline Lubbers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:32:25 +0200
Subject: A Thought Experiment: Evading Echelon Through P
http://www.webreview.com/pi/2001/04_27_01a.shtml
April 27, 2001 > Platform Independent
A Thought Ex
At 1:35 PM -0700 4/30/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>The idealism that I refer to is the concept that human beings can create
>something substantially better than what exists. We should all have a
>touch of this idealism but reality doesn't fit the model so well.
Many of us certainly believe tha
At 3:28 PM -0400 4/30/01, Faustine wrote:
>Quoting Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>
>> At 6:32 PM -0700 4/28/01, Tim May wrote:
>> >
>> >(You see, the "quick review" process is much better than the method
>> >you suggested re: economics, that people read the main textbooks.
>> >People don't
Faustine wrote:
>
> Too true. But if we want to actually reach people who *would* care if only
they
> knew, it's important to talk about it without coming across like a full-bore
> paranoid. It seems like a bad idea to risk losing credibility with careless
> rhetoric and sloppy thinking. More th
Steve,
Even assuming that what you say is true, and I suspect it is,
you'd be relying on protections enshrined in the law. The purpose
of this treaty, of course, is to change the law. :)
-Declan
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 10:07:33AM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
> At 10:56 AM 4/30/2001 -0400, Declan
I wrote:
> > Do you mean in those who continue to
> > believe in coercive solutions (i.e.,
> > government)? Especially in the face
> > of the fact that government has been
> > responsible for 120+ million deaths
> > in the 20th century alone? :-D
> >
> The idealism that I refer to is the
> conc
> Mike wrote:
>
> > The level of idealism is amazing.
>
> Do you mean in those who continue to believe in coercive solutions (i.e.,
> government)? Especially in the face of the fact that government has been
> responsible for 120+ million deaths in the 20th century alone? :-D
>
The idealism tha
Quoting Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> At 6:32 PM -0700 4/28/01, Tim May wrote:
> >
> >(You see, the "quick review" process is much better than the method
> >you suggested re: economics, that people read the main textbooks.
> >People don't need to spend several months wading through
> >cryp
Mike wrote:
> The level of idealism is amazing.
Do you mean in those who continue to believe in coercive solutions (i.e.,
government)? Especially in the face of the fact that government has been
responsible for 120+ million deaths in the 20th century alone? :-D
> The corrective forces of fre
Quoting "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> At 03:37 PM 4/27/2001 -0400, Faustine wrote:
> > We should hold ourselves and our friends to HIGHER standards if we
> > want to get somewhere in the long run.
>
> You could start by holding yourself to the standard of actually having
> some
> fain
Quoting William Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Faustine replies:
> > Quoting William Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> [David Friedman has published in ...]
> > > Journal of Law and Economics (more than once)
> > > Journal of Political Economy (more than once)
> > > American Economic Review
> > >
> >
The level of idealism is amazing. The corrective forces of free markets
and anarchy usually discussed here are certainly in operation in varying
degrees throughout our economic "system." I think the confidence level
is naive and the damage that can result from unfettered profit seeking
is underest
Sunder on Honig:
> David Honig wrote:
> >
> > The term 'grey man' is also used by R. Tomlinson in _The Big Breach_
> > where it means basically the same, an observer/tail/Gargoyle
> who blends in.
>
> Erm, perhaps, but "Gargoyle" has a completely different meaning than
> just a guy observing and
At 10:56 AM 4/30/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:24:09PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
> > What if the sysadmin is intentionally located in an offshore location so
> > that they cannot be kept from notifying all users of the logging order?
>
>Then we pass a "cybercrim
David Honig wrote:
>
> The term 'grey man' is also used by R. Tomlinson in _The Big Breach_
> where it means basically the same, an observer/tail/Gargoyle who blends in.
Erm, perhaps, but "Gargoyle" has a completely different meaning than
just a guy observing and bleding in. It's from Stephenso
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:24:09PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
> What if the sysadmin is intentionally located in an offshore location so
> that they cannot be kept from notifying all users of the logging order?
Then we pass a "cybercrime" treaty to require them to follow U.S. laws.
Law enforcem
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