Re: Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki

2002-12-09 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:52 PM -0800 on 12/9/02, Steve Schear wrote: > Haven't seen this discussed here. Meaning there is one, or you want to start one? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ".

Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Dispute.Also Moving on (fwd)

2002-12-09 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: >These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I > mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup > on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain They work fine for me at every site (machines at th

Re: Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 07:29 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 4:52 PM -0800 on 12/9/02, Steve Schear wrote: Haven't seen this discussed here. Meaning there is one, or you want to start one? SSShhh!, everyone! Don't tell Bob about Wikis and Blogs, else we'll be inundated with a dozen

Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less

2002-12-09 Thread Ken Brown
Marcel Popescu wrote: > It does appear that the law in England is not as "demanding" as I believed: > > http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/legaltender.htm > > < opinion, legal tender is not a means of payment that must be accepted by the > parties to a transaction, but rather a legally def

Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-09 Thread Nomen Nescio
Bear writes: > If the banker > goes broke, people want to be able to make a claim against the banker's > future earnings for whatever worthless currency they were holding > when it happened, and they cannot do that from a position of anonymity. > People want a faithless banker punished, meaning ja

Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)

2002-12-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl forwarded: > Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones > By Dan Gillmor > Mercury News Technology Columnist > [...] > That's not ``content'' in a Hollywood sense. But it's the most important > kind of content: what we create ourselves. That pho

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Kevin Luddy
Akamai also attempts to solve the problem of getting information to people fast. They have a huge network of servers across the world, and for a price will manage your content so that the important stuff is already as far along the pipeline to the requesting user as possible. Most large corporati

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
> There was an article in the press a month or so ago about some > town that was trying hard to restrict cybercafe hours, > because of gang activity there - I'm not sure how much of it's > just the same nonsense that tried to restrict video-game parlors, > and how much of it's because the local bul

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread attila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > Phone booths already don't accept calls, by State Fiat. You think > > detecting and dropping modem calls from a CO is tough? > It's just a matter of designing a (software ?) modem that will, instead of > whisling and peeping, emulate soccer mom

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Maybe somebody doesn't like the new look on my http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org > site. heh, as someone who drives by Oshkosh a few times a year, I think that's a great satire. Good luck staying alive :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Got Reichstag? Mmh, smells like victory.

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Ken Hirsch
Harmon Seaver writes: >Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also > akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server > from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according > to their website. Their main service is serving stat

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: In a state where Crypto is not resisted (OK, there probably aren't a lot of these...perhaps in Europe or Canada?), Crypto "defaults" to the above. You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either the nations o

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:55 AM, James A. Donald wrote: So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, but the program will be steadily expanded. Indeed, part of the homeland security act already aims at people who make cartridges (relo

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Sunder
Yeah, well terrorists use condoms and wear clothes too, so those are terrorist tools also, so we should run around naked and have unprotected sex just so we don't help the terrorists. Also, terrorists don't jump off cliffs like lemmings, so we should do that too. --Kaos-Keraun

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:56 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: "Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a horse, and a rope." Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 09:42 AM, Greg Pelcak wrote: On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? Most of the experience I have with Akamai is with them hosting high-traffic website

Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less

2002-12-09 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 03:23 AM, Marcel Popescu wrote: From: "Tim May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark cited the Bank of England, not U.S. law. I don't know what British law is in this regard. It does appear that the law in England is not as "demanding" as I believed: http://www.bankofen

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Anonymous
Tyler Durden said: > In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a > me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi, > "BlackNet", and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above. It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie th

Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!

2002-12-09 Thread Sunder
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > Siliness, compounded. Show me a law about "obligatory cameras in > cybercafes." It's silly now. A few years back, the spook said that the NSA doesn't spy on US citizens and won't because that was not its charter.

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tyler Durden
"It's mildly amusing to watch your months-long transition from newcomer to believer that crypto provides the tools for sabotaging the State and protecting real liberty." Well, this is for me not an easy issue. Amerika has always had a hard-on for fascism (as long as it was in the service of "fr

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Greg Pelcak
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? Most of the experience I have with Akamai is with them hosting high-traffic websites with geographically distributed servers. I thought they had

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 10:04:48AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > > Speculations on the list this morning that they plan to sell their > services to the government are worth looking into...they would not be > the first company to propose selling Web browsing profiles of users. > I'm not saying this is

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote: > Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an "enemy combatant" and > vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment, > and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at > one time. So far this has only been applied to people who a

[IP] GNURadio presentation at FCC TAC meeting last week (fwd)

2002-12-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:22:15 -0500 From: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [IP] GNURadio presentation at FCC TAC meeting last week I am on the FC TAC and was there and it was indeed an excellent talk djf -- Forward

Re: Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Tyler Durden
Akamai was one of the up-and-coming ASPs that went nearly busto during the dot-bomb era. An ASP is an Application Service Provider--for a while it was thought that certain expert applications would actually be adminstered and served remotely from a company that knew this stuff better than you.

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Tyler Durden
"Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a horse, and a rope." Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then "might makes right" is all that will be left. In a way, the pot

Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-09 Thread Peter Fairbrother
I missed a trick (I was drunk.. and am again). Why should there be a bank, as an organisation, at all? Money doesn't mean anything real nowadays, it's just a medium. When it was gold it might have meant something - but when the Spanish brought lots of gold from the new world it fd up their eco

Akamai

2002-12-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according to their website. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.co

Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less

2002-12-09 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: "Tim May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mark cited the Bank of England, not U.S. law. I don't know what British > law is in this regard. It does appear that the law in England is not as "demanding" as I believed: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/legaltender.htm <> Mark

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-09 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:07 PM 12/08/2002 -0500, Mark Renouf wrote: jet wrote: At 20:48 -0500 2002/12/07, Myers W. Carpenter wrote: http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441 PHOTOGRAPHER ARRESTED FOR TAKING PICTURES OF VICE PRESIDENT'S HOTEL Posted 5 Dec 2002 06:03:48 UTC One major issue is these

Re: ACLU funds Total Awareness of State Abuse

2002-12-09 Thread Peter Gutmann
[Apologies if you've seen this before, one of our machines has been quietly dropping outgoing mail...] "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >It's a mirror image to the government's plan to empower some Americans to >check on their neighbors, under a program known as the Terrorism In

Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-09 Thread Tyler Durden
I too admit of having done some imbibing (Belgian ale I'm afraid). I was thinking about this on the heels of your last lubricated missive, and a very similar thing occurred to me. Actually, something far less ambitious (in the short run)... First of all, I see no deep reason why some bank acoun

Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-09 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:17 AM 12/05/2002 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote: OK, suppose we've got a bank that issues bearer "money". Who owns the bank? It should be owned by bearer shares, of course. Why? Or the propounders wanting to: make a profit/control the bank? There are two main reasons honest people star

Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-09 Thread Mike Rosing
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > I too admit of having done some imbibing (Belgian ale I'm afraid). Belgian beer is pretty good, in Belgium anyway. How's it travel? > First of all, I see no deep reason why some bank acount (or, more likely, a > whole bunch of 'em) can't be auto-adminis