Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 05:21:43PM -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > I was just wondering the same thing myself. Since when is EPIC not > cypherpunk-friendly? See my reasonably long post in this thread and Tim's nicely-reasoned response... -Declan

RE: [IP] Limits Sought on Wireless Internet Access (fwd)

2002-12-17 Thread Lucky Green
> Industry executives say that military uses can coexist with > the millions of smart wireless Internet devices that can > sense the nearby use of military radar and automatically > yield the right of way. These devices are in use in Europe > and will soon be used in the United States. In othe

Verdict's in: Elcomsoft NOT GUILTY of criminal DMCA violations

2002-12-17 Thread Steve Schear
[I'm more convinced than ever that nullification figured into the verdict. If so, bravo for the jury. steve] http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978176.html SAN JOSE, Calif.--A jury on Tuesday found a Russian software company not guilty of criminal copyright charges for producing a program that can c

more about using non-US driving licenses (Re: Big Brotherish Laws)

2002-12-17 Thread Adam Back
And this I guess was the cypherpunks post I was thinking about from Duncan below. The only worries then would be if the insurance company would consider you insured in event of an accident with a non-US license. (Where that could a Canadian insurance company, or a US insurance company if you can

Re: GH

2002-12-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 2:30 PM -0500 on 12/17/02, Ian Grigg wrote: > Can you do me a favour and forward the Obit for Gary to > cypherpunks/ coderpunks/cryptography lists out there? I'm not > really on them, > not withstanding cross-postings and so forth. I know he had

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel

2002-12-17 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On 15 Dec 2002, David Wagner wrote: > Declan McCullagh wrote: > >Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization, > >but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...] > > Is the cypherpunks movement truly so radicalized that it is > not willing to count even EPIC among its friend

Mike Echols Where He Belongs

2002-12-17 Thread Eric Cordian
It is with great pleasure that I report that Mike Echols, proprietor of http://www.shadow-net.com, network vigilante, general all around kook, and founder of the tax-exempt sham organization BAM, was sentenced to 150 days in jail last Thursday for violating his probation on an earlier charge of mak

Bits and pieces of info about the Mike Maginnis story from last weeks OTH

2002-12-17 Thread Myers Carpenter
I just listened to Dec 11's Off The Hook. There where bits and pieces of news that where not covered in any post on the 2600 website about the Mike Maginnis story. Past news postings from the 2600 site to get up to speed: http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1441 http://www.2600.com

Obituary - Gary Howland - 197? - 2002

2002-12-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Status: RO Sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:34:47 -0500 From: Ian Grigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Obituary - Gary Howland - 197? - 2002 Obituary - Gary Howland - 197? - 2002 I first met Gar

Re: Big Brotherish Laws

2002-12-17 Thread Adam Back
I wrote: > If I recall some time ago (years ago) there was some discussion on > list of using non-US drivers licenses or out-of-state drivers licenses > I think to get around this problem. I thought it was Duncan Frissell > or Black Unicorn who offered some opinions on this. Below looks like the

Re: War on drugs...

2002-12-17 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On 13 Dec 2002, Sleeping Vayu wrote: > Uh...I'd point out that this is no coincidence. The Conpiracy Theorist > would say that the War on Drugs was precisely the CIA's way to keep > its own drug prices high and continue funding their own little > activites. Plausible. > Oh, and aside from the fa

Re: Big Brotherish Laws

2002-12-17 Thread Adam Back
If I recall some time ago (years ago) there was some discussion on list of using non-US drivers licenses or out-of-state drivers licenses I think to get around this problem. I thought it was Duncan Frissell or Black Unicorn who offered some opinions on this. (Actually I am interested in this topi

[CHOATE FIX] No quantum postcards (Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere)

2002-12-17 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Seems I have to explain why IP packet routing is not broadcasting some more. Those of you who understand that postcards have one trajectory from you to me can skip this. My first post was a first-order Choate fix. This post is a second-order fix. I refuse to respond to the next gripe, where JC br

Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-17 Thread David Howe
at Monday, December 16, 2002 8:34 AM, Major Variola (ret) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say: > "The network?" Sorry, its one wire from here to there. Even a router > with multiple NICs only copies a given packet to a single interface. That is unfortunately too much of a generalisation - althoug

RE: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-17 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
Title: RE: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...) > anyone who takes > serious measures to avoid being profiled having obvious gaps in their > profiles to indicate their wish for privacy in some area). Oh yes, so true. I'm always paying in cash, but everyti

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Vayu Anonymous Remailer
>Are you for real??? > >I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases >like "revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State" or "the Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, for those who actually know him firsthand. His main talent was creating an extremely succ

Re: [s-t] olfactory profiling (fwd)

2002-12-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 6:59 PM -0800 on 12/16/02, Mike Rosing wrote: > 70% of the dog's brain is devoted to it's nose ...and the other 30% is devoted to mooching lunch. :-). Cheers, RAH Seriously. cf recent neuroscience/paleoanthropology research about the man-dog interface... -- - R. A. Hettinga

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Shawn Duffy
While I disagree with the phrase "revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State" and I certainly don't agree with everything ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the phrase "why the state can NOT be just"... Please

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-17 Thread John Kelsey
At 02:10 PM 12/15/02 -0500, cubic-dog wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, John Kelsey wrote: ... > running on a pro-freedom slate, politicians will be found to do that. Note > that guns are still legal in the US, despite the fact that armed private > citizens are apparently *very* unpopular with the

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Sarad AV
hi, > Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, If he is such a bozo,why are n't many of those saying this not as sucessful as he is? Mr. Sheiner's book on applied cryptography is a beauty for a beginer. --- Sleeping Vayu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, for those who > act

Big Brotherish Laws

2002-12-17 Thread Blanc
About a week ago, someone mentioned that in order to get a Driver's Licence in CA, one has to provide a thumbprint (and Social Security number). I was surprised by this. So do long-term cpunks who own cars and drive in that State have their finger print in the public database? (I have already in

Woof (Re: [s-t] olfactory profiling (fwd))

2002-12-17 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:00 AM 12/17/02 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >RAH >Seriously. cf recent neuroscience/paleoanthropology research about the >man-dog interface... He's talking about a recent study (in _Science_) comparing the ability of domestic dogs, wolves, and chimps to interpret a human's signals -pointing,

Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-17 Thread David Howe
at Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:33 AM, the following Choatisms were heard: > Nobody (but perhaps you by inference) is claiming it is identical, > however, it -is- a broadcast (just consider how a packet gets routed, > consider the TTL for example or how a ping works). ping packets aren't routed any

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:00 AM 12/17/2002 -0500, Shawn Duffy wrote: While I disagree with the phrase "revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State" and I certainly don't agree with everything ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, th

Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before > > seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: I have fulfilled a lifelong goal, I have walked where no man has ever walked before. I can now die happy ;) >

Re: CDR: Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world viamultimedia phones (fwd)

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Jim Choate wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > > > Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before > > > seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: > > I have fulfilled a lifelong goal, I have walked where no m

Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-17 Thread John Kelsey
At 12:53 PM 12/15/02 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: ... I think that a law which re-affirmed the rights to be anonymous, to call yourself what you will, to be left alone, to not carry or show ID would transform the debate about privacy into terms in which the issue could be solved. (At least as it a

Re: CDR: Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > "The network?" Sorry, its one wire from here to there. No it isn't, try a traceroute to a regular site that isn't over your internal network over several days, why does it change? > However in detail this mildly useful metaphor breaks down. As

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-17 Thread Sarad AV
hi, --- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > US policy was to restore the status quo ante in > Afghanistan, > put things back the way they were before the Soviet > invasion. How does that make things better for 'afghan' people,after all the bombing done on their home land? The futur

Re: Suspending the Constitution

2002-12-17 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > At 03:49 PM 12/14/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: > >PLONK. > > Hey, maybe Mike was talking about Mr. Booth, not Mr. Lincoln. :-) Tim has given me some motivation to work on an old idea. We'll see if I get any time in the next year to make it happen.

Re: CDR: Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Miles Fidelman wrote: > On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > > > > > From the article: > > > "The court dismissed suggestions the Internet was different from other > > > broadcasters, who could decide how far their signal was

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Marcel Popescu
Are you for real??? I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases like "revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State" or "the State has more motivation to be fair" sound like right out of 1984. What happened to you? This is so utterly ridiculous that I'd lau

Re: [s-t] olfactory profiling (fwd)

2002-12-17 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > Realtime, cheap, reliable, invisible. Hard to fake, especially if combined > with other biometrics. Can be as sensitive as a canine, in principle. [...] > http://www.eps.gov/spg/USA/USAMC/DAAD19/DAAD19-03-R-0004/SynopsisP.html I would think anyone doing b

Re: Short story?

2002-12-17 Thread Petro
Permanently behind on my email: On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:22:41PM -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: > I'm trying to remember details (author, title) of a short story that I > read once. Its main feature, or the one that's standing out in my > mind, is the obsessive hacker who studies a target to figu

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 08:56:04PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > I don't know, Ashcroft is adament about the 2nd amendment. It's about the > only good thing I can think of otherwise. He's not as regulatory as his predecessor, but I find it hard to reconcile that statement with the DOJ's actions in

West Coast Offense

2002-12-17 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 09:22 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 12:18:52AM +, David Wagner wrote: Declan McCullagh wrote: Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization, but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...] Is the cypherpunks mov

Re: Suspending the Constitution

2002-12-17 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:49 PM 12/14/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: >On Saturday, December 14, 2002, at 03:18 PM, Mike Rosing wrote: > >> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: >> >>> Lincoln's notion that the Constitution is suspendable during a war, or >>> other emergency conditions, was disgraceful. >> Power is what powe

Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-17 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:29 PM 12/15/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > >> From the article: >> "The court dismissed suggestions the Internet was different from other >> broadcasters, who could decide how far their signal was to be transmitted." >> >> This is totally bogus thinki

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-17 Thread Mike Rosing
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, John Kelsey wrote: > The thing that's being missed here is that, if elections can be won by > running on a pro-freedom slate, politicians will be found to do that. Note Running and winning are 2 different things. So far most libertarians don't win, but it's slowly changing.

Re: [IP] more on keep them ignorant -- ElcomSoft Jury Asks for Law Text - judge refuses

2002-12-17 Thread Steve Schear
In cases where the statues might appear to reasonable people, otherwise ignorant of the judicial process, to be made from whole cloth or contrary to "fairness" or a "plain reading of the constitution," denying juries access can help thwart nullification. Its un-American and downright anarchist

Re: Short story?

2002-12-17 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 03:03:29PM -0800, Petro wrote: | Permanently behind on my email: | | On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:22:41PM -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: | > I'm trying to remember details (author, title) of a short story that I | > read once. Its main feature, or the one that's standing out i