Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:29:53AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > Harmon Seaver wrote... > > > Why the hell would anyone use lotus notes encryption for anything > >whatsoever? > > Lotus Notes or whatever, of course. The point here is that larger Or whatever? What makes you think that anyon

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Tyler Durden
Harmon Seaver wrote... >Why the hell would anyone use lotus notes encryption for anything >whatsoever? Lotus Notes or whatever, of course. The point here is that larger organizations with decryption capabilities probably do not think on the message-by-message level very often, just like c

Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-11 Thread David Howe
"Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was Sweden. They didn't really have an excuse - over a year earlier, > Lotus announced their "International" version with details of the "Work > Factor Reduction Field" at the RSA Conference. I immediately invented > the term 'espionage enabled' to des

RE: Echelon-like...

2002-10-11 Thread Trei, Peter
> David Howe[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> "I assume everyone knows the little arrangement that lotus > >> reached with the NSA over its encrypted secure email?" > > I'm new here, so do tell if I am wrong. Are you referring to the two > levels > > of Encryption available in Bogus Notes? > More o

Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-11 Thread Tyler Durden
So as a follow on question...what kind of hardware does it take to break the weak and strong versions of Bogus Notes? Is it possible that NSA or Echelon have the ability to decode a large number of such messages? And if the amount of hardware needed to break the strong version is significantly

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Tyler Durden
"Or whatever? What makes you think that anyone can crack any of the strong encryption?" I don't think they can. But your point seems to miss my own point. There will certainly be a certain number of uncrackable mesages out there (as a trained physicist I am fairly certain that even military qu

Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-11 Thread Adam Back
Sounds about right. 64 bit crypto in the "strong" version (which is not that strong -- the distributed.net challenge recently broke a 64 bit key), and in the export version 24 of those 64 bits were encrypted with an NSA backdoor key, leaving only 40 bits of key space for the NSA to bruteforce to

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Harmon Seaver
Why the hell would anyone use lotus notes encryption for anything whatsoever? On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 09:37:52AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > OK, let's assume for the same of argument that it takes about 1 minute for > Echelon/NSA-like resources to break a weakly encypted lotus notes message

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Tyler Durden
OK, let's assume for the same of argument that it takes about 1 minute for Echelon/NSA-like resources to break a weakly encypted lotus notes message. And then let's assume that there's a whole LOT of these machines sitting somewhere. And as the grumpy Tim May has suggested, perhaps only a smal

Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Anonymous
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote: > > "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the > majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is > conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the > masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Greg Broiles
At 10:54 AM 10/11/2002 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Which returns to my original point: the "easy" availability of strong crypto products does not mean it is unprofitable for an agency to continue to push populations towards lighter forms of encryption. Assuming that the agency's goal is to maxi

RE: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Trei, Peter
Anonymous wrote: > >From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources... > >Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:33:46 +0200 (CEST) > > > >On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > "War is jus

Jamming camcorders in movie theaters

2002-10-11 Thread Major Variola (ret)
[They want to exploit human persistance-of-vision vs. camcorder pixel differences. Seems to me that one could process the captured frames to eliminate artifacts, though that *is* another step required. In any case, insiders will have access to the playback codes opening the bits to duping.] Jamm

Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Harmon Seaver
Here's the cite for the Ramsey Clark quote. On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 06:33:46PM +0200, Anonymous wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote: > > > > "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the > > majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about.

Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:33 PM 10/11/2002 +0200, Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote: > > > > "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the > > majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is > > conducted for the benefit of the

Re: Jamming camcorders in movie theaters

2002-10-11 Thread alan
I read how they plan on doing this. I predict it will give a percentage of the movie-going public screaming headaches. (Or at least make them very uncomfortable.) These are the same people who are sensitive to the flicker of cheap 60 hz office lighting. Not that a bit of discomfort was any c

Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-11 Thread James Donald
> > > > "Our overriding purpose, from the > > > > beginning through to the present > > > > day, has been world domination - > > > > that is, to build and maintain > > > > the capacity to coerce everybody > > > > else on the planet: nonviolently, > > > > if possible, and violently, if > > > > necess

Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-11 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:11 PM 10/11/2002 -0700, James Donald wrote: > > > > "Our overriding purpose, from the > > > > beginning through to the present > > > > day, has been world domination - . > > > > Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General From: "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Sun is an alternative

Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Harmon Seaver
You have to realize that there are any number of fedzis who subscribe to this list, it's a well authenticated fact, matter of court testimony. And fedzis aren't noted for brains, or even being able to read, which is why he attacked you instead of me. And of course most fedzis positively foam at

US developing untraceable weapons

2002-10-11 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Theres no huge explosion associated with its employment, there are no pieces and parts left behind that someone can analyze to say, this came from the United States,  explains an unnamed Lockheed Martin official quoted in Aviation Week and Space Technology in July. The damage is localized, an

Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Steve Furlong
On Friday 11 October 2002 14:13, Trei, Peter wrote: > If anonymous were a person of character... Oxymoron, eh? Pseudonymity has many socially acceptable features. Anonymity has all of the practical benefits of pseudonymity and no additional advantages in a conversational forum such as cpunks. A

Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-11 Thread Tyler Durden
Yo! I didn't write anything of the kind. Actually, this post mystifies me...even had I posted those quotations, as scary as they may be, I don't understand Anonymous' reaction to them (waitaminute...maybe I do understand...it's interesting to consider that the sender seems to have gone to some

Re: UK Censors, Shayler, Bin Laden

2002-10-11 Thread Steve Furlong
On Thursday 10 October 2002 13:13, Tim May wrote: > This is why posting articles on Usenet is usually superior to putting > them on a Web site in a censorious country (U.K., Germany, Saudi > Arabia, U.S.A., Canada, etc.). There are two advantages of web-based discussion fora over usenet: propaga

Re: was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-11 Thread Tyler Durden
Uh, first of all can we get rid of the part of the subject line that says "Durden lies"? (Particularly seeing how the quote attributed to me did not originate from me.) As for Chomsky lying, can you give us some specific citations? Did he lie about our support for Sadam Hussein? Our support for