Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Andrew Cater wrote: > It does seem that > we may be able to stop routine production of as many images. Netinst, > something DVD-ish sized (so smaller than 8G) and some (larger file size ??) > may do it. How about being storage-neutral and drop amd64-DVD-2.iso and amd64-DVD-3.iso in favor of a

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I was thinking of a scheme by which the ISO is constructed and streamed > at the same time, so the complete ISO images aren't ever stored whole > anywhere on the server. Although there are no fundamental obstacles for stream production, the current software uncompresse

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-20 Thread Andrew Cater
Streaming production of .iso files _is_ technically possible. Jigdo effectively builds the iso file from chunks of ten or so files until the disk is complete and checksummed. As mentioned, this query was about stopping production of the .iso files specifically meant for the oldestMac mini. That cer

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> An alternative is to have "virtual ISO images", i.e. images which are >> constructed on the fly (presumably by jigdo) on the web-server side. > Assuming that a complete set of ISOs for whatever medium occupies > at most 100 GB, it seems better to have the images ready rather than to > assemble t

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, (The mail headers indicate that the OP, Andrew Cater, is subscribed to debian-cd but not to debian-user. So replies to debian-user only might not get to his attention.) Stefan Monnier wrote: > An alternative is to have "virtual ISO images", i.e. images which are > constructed on the fly (pr

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Thank you Thomas. Yes, that's obviously why it was done.So - a quick look > on Wikipedia suggests that this was a current machine in 2006 and was > replaced in 2007 / 2008. So - if anyone has one running anywhere, it's > somewhere between 12-15 years old. If anybody knows of any that they really

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-18 Thread João Pirralha
I'm just a user, but: * I disagree with dropping the first 4GB "DVD" install image, I think it's quite useful (although you might just name it "4GB" and drop the DVD naming). Users shouldn't need Internet to have a mostly functional system, and I cannot imagine they produce too much ext

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Andrew Cater wrote: > Separately, we also had a quick think about the numbers of iso images in > general. A suggestion: For the future, we should produce physical media for > the netinst.iso, the first DVD image in any set and one larger image to be > written to a USB stick if wanted - and corresp

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Andrew Cater wrote: > If anybody knows of any [Mac Mini] that they really must keep > running, speak now or forever hold your peace. It is possible to create an ISO without EFI boot lures from a normal i386 or amd64 ISO. Follow https://wiki.debian.org/RepackBootableISO but leave out the opt

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-18 Thread Andrew Cater
Thank you Thomas. Yes, that's obviously why it was done.So - a quick look on Wikipedia suggests that this was a current machine in 2006 and was replaced in 2007 / 2008. So - if anyone has one running anywhere, it's somewhere between 12-15 years old. If anybody knows of any that they really must kee

Re: Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Andrew Cater wrote: > [...] here are > a couple of architectures that are built but not tested because the testers > have no hardware. > One set  is an old Mac on Intel media, Do you mean these ? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-mac-10.4.0-i386-netinst.iso

Final CDs being written for Stretch - 9.13 release - prior to LTS

2020-07-18 Thread Andrew Cater
As folk will be aware: we're building and releasing the final release of Stretch before transition to LTS support. Testing is going well - there are a couple of architectures that are built but not tested because the testers have no hardware. One set is an old Mac on Intel media, the other is boo