Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:06:59AM +0200, Frederic Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > - webmin: I think it is useful (and nice) not to have to launch mozilla >to add an user or change a password. I don't object to a web-browser, personally. I do object to having to install and

Re: ITP: Source-Navigator

2000-09-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Eray Ozkural wrote: > I ITP'd this before, hands off :) Why don't you check the list BTW? > And the wnpp? That's why the BTS is being used, right? > > Here are the bug report numbers for your reference > > #68583: ITP: Insight > #68584: ITP: sourcenav Argl! I searche

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Paul Slootman wrote: > These packages have been uploaded to the "experimental" distribution > (but not yet installed at this moment, maybe today?), FYI: I got got mail from the installer that it's been put into experimental. Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ht

End of the line for Epic?

2000-09-07 Thread David N. Welton
I'm wondering if anyone still uses this package anymore. It has been superceded by epic4 for hrmmm it must be several years. Is it time for it to go? It's not like it's broken or it has any hideous bugs, but it's not going anyplace, either. -- David N. Welton, Responsabile Progetti Open Sourc

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Andreas Fuchs
Today, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs wrote: >> Today, I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Calling isdnrep is not working well: it's looking for the zone files >> > in /usr/lib/isdn/zone, but they are in /usr/lib/isdn/: > In /usr/share/isdn/ actually.

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs wrote: > You see, isdnconfig tries to copy from > /usr/share/doc/isdnutils/examples/defaults/ipppd.DEVICE to > /etc/isdn/ipppd.$device. > > Now, ipppd.DEVICE is named ipppd.DEVICE.gz (arghl, automatic gzipping > in docs dir?). And it resides in /usr/share/doc/ipp

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs wrote: > Today, I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Calling isdnrep is not working well: it's looking for the zone files > > in /usr/lib/isdn/zone, but they are in /usr/lib/isdn/: In /usr/share/isdn/ actually. > Oh, silly me. I had configured isdnrep to look specif

Re: Debian and KDE

2000-09-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith
"Ivan E. Moore II" wrote: > as Maintainer of KDE for Debian I'd like to chime in. [clip] > I was interviewed by a few online > magswhether any of that went anywhere is not my problem. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/2281/1/ Editor'

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Adam McKenna
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 03:19:06AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > People like Mr. Jones don't like to consider impacts. They like easy rules > and easy policies. They don't like to do analysis. And they especially > don't like to be inconvenienced by considerations of the impact of their > act

Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible

2000-09-07 Thread Joey Hess
Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Still, if 1.6 were to replace 1.5.2, we had to check all packages that > depend on Python, if we think their license is still compatible with the > new Python license, and remove them if it's not. I'd opt against this. Hm, I'm confused. Are you saying that you think that

Re: QT on alpha potato does not compile

2000-09-07 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 06:16:12PM +0200, Ullrich Martini wrote: > I am trying to compile qt 2.2 on a alpha with potato, g++ 2.95.2-13 > using rkrustys patches from the > intel qt 2.2 diffs. I get lots of internal compiler errors on the files > generated by moc (moc_*.cpp), and > uic segfaults whe

Re: Debian and KDE

2000-09-07 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
Hi, as Maintainer of KDE for Debian I'd like to chime in. kdelibs, kdesupport, and kdoc all are sitting in incoming. We had to wait till yesterday for qt2.2 to come out so that I could build it, then compile kde against it since the GPL'd status doesn't mean squat if you build against the ol

Re: ITP: Source-Navigator

2000-09-07 Thread Christopher C. Chimelis
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Eray Ozkural wrote: > Yep, I ITP'ed sourcenav and insight.. a _minor_ problem with > the tcl/tk stuff, but I think I'll just wrap it up soon. Fantastic. I emailed you off-list about some ideas on how to handle that, in case you needed the tips (doubt you will, but just in ca

Re: QT on alpha potato does not compile

2000-09-07 Thread Christopher C. Chimelis
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Ullrich Martini wrote: > I am trying to compile qt 2.2 on a alpha with potato, g++ 2.95.2-13 > using rkrustys patches from the > intel qt 2.2 diffs. I get lots of internal compiler errors on the files > generated by moc (moc_*.cpp), and > uic segfaults when compiling tools/d

Re: ITP: Source-Navigator

2000-09-07 Thread Eray Ozkural
I ITP'd this before, hands off :) Why don't you check the list BTW? And the wnpp? That's why the BTS is being used, right? Here are the bug report numbers for your reference #68583: ITP: Insight #68584: ITP: sourcenav These are the ITP's I made some time ago, still working on them. I've

Re: ITP: Source-Navigator

2000-09-07 Thread Eray Ozkural
Yep, I ITP'ed sourcenav and insight.. a _minor_ problem with the tcl/tk stuff, but I think I'll just wrap it up soon. Thanks, -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAI

Re: apt-move problem

2000-09-07 Thread Arthur Korn
Peter S Galbraith schrieb: > My current problem with apt-move is that it wants to delete every > single deb file I have For my archive it was to late: 19M /home/pub/debian That was ~250M before ... oops. Time to use http and squid instead ... ciao, 2ri -- Note that there are two possible o

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Andreas Fuchs
(I already replied to this, but I figured that would be "better style" than replying to my own mails three times in a row.) Today, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please let me know if you use this version, and keep me informed of > ANYTHING, good or bad. I *do* mean anything, like spe

Re: apt-move problem

2000-09-07 Thread Steve Robbins
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > My current problem with apt-move is that it wants to delete every > single deb file I have (instead of only those that have never > versions on hand). Also, it makes completely empty Packages.gz > files for me. I dunno about the first, but I have se

Debian and KDE: Appology

2000-09-07 Thread Ben Woodhead
Hello everybody First I would like to give my appologies, I was not aware of the incomming directory and I have been told that kde will be included. I would also like to say that I personally do not use kde nor am a developer for them, my consern was with the conflicts between linux. Competition i

QT on alpha potato does not compile

2000-09-07 Thread Ullrich Martini
I am trying to compile qt 2.2 on a alpha with potato, g++ 2.95.2-13 using rkrustys patches from the intel qt 2.2 diffs. I get lots of internal compiler errors on the files generated by moc (moc_*.cpp), and uic segfaults when compiling tools/designer/designer/listboxeditor.ui It looks like a alph

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Seth Cohn
> This is good for Debian, since we want something cross-platform, and > possibly even cross-kernel (Hurd, anyone?). Adding a network config for > Debian, Rene Mayrhofer said he was making a start on this. He's away for a few weeks, when he gets back, I'll find out how far he's come. > a dpkg/a

Re: Debian and KDE

2000-09-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:51:23PM -0300, Ben Woodhead wrote: > If I was wrong, I would have expected to see some news on the homepage > saying "Yeah, KDEs is completely GPLed and will be included in debian", or > at least something like that. After all the reading I did where debian was > saying t

Re: Debian and KDE

2000-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:51:23PM -0300, Ben Woodhead wrote: > >From the article I have read about debian Stand On KDE, which said that > debian would like to help kde get there license issues resolved so kde could > be put into debian. Perhaps, that was not the case, and debian just wanted > to k

Re: Debian and KDE

2000-09-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:51:23PM -0300, Ben Woodhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > If I was wrong, I would have expected to see some news on the homepage > saying "Yeah, KDEs is completely GPLed and will be included in debian", or > at least something like that. After all the reading I

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Seth Cohn
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Nate Duehr wrote: > Linuxconf is very broken (and it's documented in the Readme's provided > with the .deb) on Debian, and it mangles perfectly good config files > into nasty-looking ones that sysadmins who prefer vi usually dislike > reading. Another point in webmin's favor.

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Andreas Fuchs
Today, I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calling isdnrep is not working well: it's looking for the zone files > in /usr/lib/isdn/zone, but they are in /usr/lib/isdn/: Oh, silly me. I had configured isdnrep to look specifically there, in /etc/isdn/isdn.conf. Fixed this now, let's see if it works...

Debian and KDE

2000-09-07 Thread Ben Woodhead
>From the article I have read about debian Stand On KDE, which said that debian would like to help kde get there license issues resolved so kde could be put into debian. Perhaps, that was not the case, and debian just wanted to kick kde because you guys don't like it and the license issue was just

Re: apt-move problem

2000-09-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Andreas Tille wrote: > I wanted to give apt-move a try: > Unfortunately I get only syntax errors: > > ~# apt-move > /usr/bin/apt-move: line 122: syntax error near unexpected token `(' It's a bug in bash. You may work around it by setting ash as your /bin/sh shell instead of bash. My current p

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Andreas Fuchs
Today, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs wrote: >> Today, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> deb http://www.murphy.nl/~paul/debian isdnutils/ >>> After this, "apt-get update; apt-get install ipppd isdnlog-data" >>> should install isdnutils, ipp

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Steve Robbins
Frederic, I think that easier config is a worthy goal. I have long mused about how to teach a single tool about the myriad config files. But I'm too lazy to actually write one. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Frederic Peters wrote: > Seth Cohn wrote : > > >So, yes, why reinvent the wheel, if there are all

Re: Alternatives to ftp.debian.org

2000-09-07 Thread dwarf
> On Thu, Sept 07, 2000 Christian Surchi wrote: > > Do you need a mirror to upgrade you system? What about using http? > http.us.debian.org point to many mirrors. Funny you should mention this, as this is exactly the one I picked. My question was more about how to pick one. The documentation on t

Re: apt-move problem

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Mika Fischer wrote: > On Thu, 07 Sep at 16:59 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > I wanted to give apt-move a try: > > > > Unfortunately I get only syntax errors: > > > > ~# apt-move > > /usr/bin/apt-move: line 122: syntax error near unexpected token `(' > > > > What am I doing w

Re: apt-move problem

2000-09-07 Thread Mika Fischer
On Thu, 07 Sep at 16:59 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > I wanted to give apt-move a try: > > Unfortunately I get only syntax errors: > > ~# apt-move > /usr/bin/apt-move: line 122: syntax error near unexpected token `(' > > What am I doing wrong? I guess nothing. I had the same problem a few weeks

Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > In Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:10:32 +1100 Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum > veritate scripsit : > > I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me that > > there was enough info in there for reportbug just to use > > /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs wrote: > Today, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been promising this for a while, but now it's happened: > > The latest version of isdn4k-utils has been packaged. > > Yippie! :-) > > deb http://www.murphy.nl/~paul/debian isdnutils/ > > After thi

apt-move problem

2000-09-07 Thread Andreas Tille
Hello, I wanted to give apt-move a try: ~# dpkg --status apt-move Package: apt-move Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 160 Maintainer: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Version: 4.1.9 Unfortunately I get only syntax errors: ~# apt-move /usr/bin/apt-move:

Alternatives to ftp.debian.org

2000-09-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
With all that is going on with ftp.debian.org, I just tried to check there for alternative mirror sites and it's gone bye-bye. So, I checked the web page, but the only primary site listed is ftp.debian.org. The secondary sites are said to have restrictions, but just what those are for any given se

Re: Alternatives to ftp.debian.org

2000-09-07 Thread Christian Surchi
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:39:24AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > Is there any better way to pick a useful ftp site for upgrading? Do you need a mirror to upgrade you system? What about using http? http.us.debian.org points to many mirrors. bye Christian -- Christian Surchi | [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?

2000-09-07 Thread Junichi Uekawa
In Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:10:32 +1100 Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit : > I looked at that configuration file. It appeared to me that > there was enough info in there for reportbug just to use > /usr/sbin/sendmail to deliver it, rather than using an MUA at all. Some people d

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Andreas Fuchs
Today, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been promising this for a while, but now it's happened: > The latest version of isdn4k-utils has been packaged. Yippie! [...] > deb http://www.murphy.nl/~paul/debian isdnutils/ > After this, "apt-get update; apt-get install ipppd isdnlog-da

ITP: pdnsd

2000-09-07 Thread Takuo KITAME
I've just packaged `pdnsd'. So, I intent to upload this. pdnsd is a proxy dns server with permanent caching (the cache contents are written to hard disk on exit) that is designed to cope with unreacheable or down dns servers (for example in dial-in networking). LICENSE is GPL2 about more, h

Re: please help updating calendar

2000-09-07 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Marco d'Itri wrote: > A calendar.hindu file is needed for 2000/2001 I'll do it. Give me a day or two. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ITP: Obsequiem, a networked MP3 jukebox

2000-09-07 Thread michael d. ivey
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:26:43AM +0200, Florian Hinzmann wrote: > I will package Obsequiem 0.3.0, an networked MP3 jukebox with > a web interface and streaming support. > > Homepage is http://obs.freeamp.org/ , licence is GPL. Does the default kernel have multicast support? If not, how do you

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:58:33AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: > > > In any case, reverse DNS lookup is reasonable, no matter what you > > > think of DUL. > > > > I have to agree with this. The previous time, the discussion was using > > DUL to block emai

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Fri 08 Sep 2000, Michael Beattie wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:40:02AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: > > These packages have been uploaded to the "experimental" distribution > > (but not yet installed at this moment, maybe today?), > > but are also available by using the following line in /e

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:33:21PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: > > It says, in plain English, "failed to find host name from IP address". > It says in plain English, "administrative prohibition (failed to fine > host name from IP address)" > Perhaps it's from being too geeky myself, but Branden's

Re: bug database not updated?

2000-09-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:23:40PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > Static pages are known to be outdated. I'm sure I asked this previously, but could we not add a note to that effect on at least the front page? -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) htt

Re: RFC: moving packages to project/orphaned

2000-09-07 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 10:18:45PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > How do you plan to handle packages that are used by others? For example > your list contains dpkg-scriptlibs in the list of packages that should > be moved to orphanded, but that will have the nice side effect of breaking > all t

Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible

2000-09-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:50:07PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:17AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > I am disappointed that RMS is fighting over something as trivial as a > > company asking that legal issues be settled in their home state > > (country). Thi

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:58:33AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: > > In any case, reverse DNS lookup is reasonable, no matter what you > > think of DUL. > > I have to agree with this. The previous time, the discussion was using > DUL to block email. This is about reverse DNS lookups failing, which >

Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:40:02AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: > These packages have been uploaded to the "experimental" distribution > (but not yet installed at this moment, maybe today?), > but are also available by using the following line in /etc/apt/sources.list: I added the override entries

Re: RFC: removal of libqt1g from woody

2000-09-07 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:35:44AM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 04:16:03AM -0700, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I'd like to remove qt1 from woody. I only seem to find 1 package that > > depends on it currently (tuxeyes) and due to the fact that it's non-fre

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:33:21PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Sep 07, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >This is just your standard lack of reverse DNS.. Part of the anti-spam > >bit. The sender needs to get working reverse DNS I suppose.. > Looks like a stupid check, to me. I

please help updating calendar

2000-09-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
A calendar.hindu file is needed for 2000/2001 and the yearly calendar.christian needs to be updated to the new syntax. Duplicated events needs to be removed from the yearly calendar.judaic files. I'll also be happy to add the events of your religion of choice. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIB

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 07, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This is just your standard lack of reverse DNS.. Part of the anti-spam >bit. The sender needs to get working reverse DNS I suppose.. Looks like a stupid check, to me. Some very big ISP here have mailservers with no reverse mapping... -- ci

Re: RFC: removal of libqt1g from woody

2000-09-07 Thread Brian Almeida
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 04:16:03AM -0700, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: > Hey, > > I'd like to remove qt1 from woody. I only seem to find 1 package that > depends on it currently (tuxeyes) and due to the fact that it's non-free > and qt2 is out with a gpl'd license and all, I think we should discou

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-07 Thread Alisdair McDiarmid
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:09:58AM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > > > That kind of packaging is a hack, and a very user unfriendly one. I'd > > > like > > > to have native bzip support, to have a lftp.orig.bz2. > > lol, whoever said our source package format was user friendly to begin > > wit

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:06:55PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > i think you misread what i said. i said that missing or incorrect > reverse DNS is *NOT* a good reason for bouncing mail. I guess I did. Thanks, -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscri

Old PPP Bug

2000-09-07 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 03:19:58PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > >Package: ppp > >Maintainer: Michael Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >20007 ppp reconnects after poff ... > > Submitter not responding; close? Close it, it has been dealt with upstream a long time ago. cu Torsten

RFC: removal of libqt1g from woody

2000-09-07 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
Hey, I'd like to remove qt1 from woody. I only seem to find 1 package that depends on it currently (tuxeyes) and due to the fact that it's non-free and qt2 is out with a gpl'd license and all, I think we should discourage it's use just as Troll is. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II

Re: Key signing in Munich/Germany or Berlin/Germany?

2000-09-07 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Adrian, On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 01:06:05PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > I need a developer to sign my GPG-key. Is anyone in or near Munich/Germany > (where I live) or Berlin/Germany (where I'll be for a week in the near > future)? I am in Berlin for the September so if you are around just writ

Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible

2000-09-07 Thread Christian Surchi
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:49:20PM +0400, Alexey Vyskubov wrote: > Pyhton 2.0 is released already. And it doesn't seems that 2.0 solve the > license incompatibility... It's not a stable release. bye Christian -- Christian Surchi | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] FLUG: http://

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:48:17AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 06:09:31PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > it's simple - if you want a service that's worth having, you > > pay whatever it costs. if you don't want that, then pay for a > > cheap/crappy service and put up with i

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 06:59:57PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: > > Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina wrote : > > We can fill automagically some of these values. If a user types in > > "192.168.1.15" as IP, and the interface is eth*, we can figure out that > > the gateway will be 192.168.1.1, and cl

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:55:07AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > yes. get an ISP that can do reverse DNS. YEESHHH! I'll happily bounce > > > their mail until then. > > > > Are

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 06:09:31PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > nobody's telling anyone to get any particular ISP or that they have to > pay for a premium quality service. True. > it's simple - if you want a service that's worth having, you pay > whatever it costs. if you don't want that, then p

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:55:07AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > yes. get an ISP that can do reverse DNS. YEESHHH! I'll happily bounce > > their mail until then. > > Are you willing to pay the difference between the cost of

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:57:05PM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:33:21PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: > > Perhaps it's from being too geeky myself, but Branden's explanation > > (the recipient of the error message is not welcome on *THEIR* Internet > > under the reasoning t

ITP: Obsequiem, a networked MP3 jukebox

2000-09-07 Thread Florian Hinzmann
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist I will package Obsequiem 0.3.0, an networked MP3 jukebox with a web interface and streaming support. Homepage is http://obs.freeamp.org/ , licence is GPL. bye Florian -- Florian Hinzmann private: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian:

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Nate Duehr
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:40:19PM +0200, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote: > So why not linuxconf? AFAIK it's the most powerful conftool around and > there's *even* a .deb version of it. Further on it's pretty trivial to > write modules for it and once done you can interface to the conftool > through

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:55:07AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > yes. get an ISP that can do reverse DNS. YEESHHH! I'll happily > > bounce their mail until then. > > Are you willing to pay the difference between the cost of th

Debian banner ad outdated

2000-09-07 Thread Florian Hinzmann
Hello! I just browsed freshmeat and a Debian banner appeared at the top of that page. Unfortunately it reads "version 2.1". Who might be able to fix this? bye Florian -- Florian Hinzmann private: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key fing

XFree86 4.x Phase 2 is ready

2000-09-07 Thread Branden Robinson
[followups to debian-x, please] [7 September] Phase 2 .debs of XFree86 4.0 are now available. These are retrievable with apt, and should upgrade smoothly from version 3.3.6 of XFree86, but please note that they are for testing, not general-purpose use, and the library packages should d

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:57:05PM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: > > Perhaps it's from being too geeky myself, but Branden's explanation > > (the recipient of the error message is not welcome on *THEIR* Internet > > under the reasoning that they're ... refusing connections from machines > > with ch

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes. get an ISP that can do reverse DNS. YEESHHH! I'll happily bounce > their mail until then. Are you willing to pay the difference between the cost of that user's current ISP and one which meets your standard? Until then, y

new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available

2000-09-07 Thread Paul Slootman
I've been promising this for a while, but now it's happened: The latest version of isdn4k-utils has been packaged. I'm calling this experimental, because things probably WILL go wrong here and there. However, I'm using it (at least parts of it), and it works for me. Be sure to backup

Re: Automated network installs?

2000-09-07 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Niall Young wrote: > I've been looking at mondo and replicator, but they're not quite what I > need. Is there anything similar being worked on already, or any > recommendations on what the ideal method would be? I havn't checked it, but the URL resides on a save place in my Ma

Automated network installs?

2000-09-07 Thread Niall Young
I'm about to start work on a tool to automate network Debian installs, possibly using a library of images (and eventually tools to create and maintain those images), or by using a profile of packages to install. I've been looking at mondo and replicator, but they're not quite what I need. Is ther

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:33:21PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: > Perhaps it's from being too geeky myself, but Branden's explanation > (the recipient of the error message is not welcome on *THEIR* Internet > under the reasoning that they're ... refusing connections from machines > with characteris

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread cfm
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:33:21PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:58:49PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:08:17PM +1100, Timshel Knoll wrote: > > > > <<< 550 mail from :::216.250.196.10 rejected: administrative > > > > prohibition (fail

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Buddha Buck
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:58:49PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:08:17PM +1100, Timshel Knoll wrote: > > > <<< 550 mail from :::216.250.196.10 rejected: administrative > > > prohibition (failed to find host name from IP address) > > > > > > Is there any way t

Re: Webmin works... was Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Seth Cohn wrote: > If you haven't tried webmin, please do. http://www.webmin.com > Last time I looked, webmin packages were sitting in incoming, but rejected > due to the ssl option (Jaldhar wanted it in main, and James bounced it > over the ssl linking). The deb installed fi

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:58:49PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:08:17PM +1100, Timshel Knoll wrote: > > <<< 550 mail from :::216.250.196.10 rejected: administrative > > prohibition (failed to find host name from IP address) > > > > Is there any way to get this f

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-07 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
> > That kind of packaging is a hack, and a very user unfriendly one. I'd like > > to have native bzip support, to have a lftp.orig.bz2. > lol, whoever said our source package format was user friendly to begin > with? Because a *normal* user can't easily unpack a debian source package any longer

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:08:17PM +1100, Timshel Knoll wrote: > <<< 550 mail from :::216.250.196.10 rejected: administrative prohibition > (failed to find host name from IP address) > > Is there any way to get this fixed? No. The MTA at the destination host is trying to tell you that dialu

Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible

2000-09-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:17AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > I think that we are going to see more and more cases of GPL > "incompatibilities" > as time goes on. Agreed; although market forces are driving many software development houses towards "Open Source", they're still trying to sq

Webmin works... was Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Seth Cohn
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Frederic Peters wrote: > > Agreed. If you want to do something USEFUL, write a better webmin, debconf > > or linuxconf module. > - webmin: I think it is useful (and nice) not to have to launch mozilla >to add an user or change a password. Excuse me? if you don't want to

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Timshel Knoll wrote: > Oliver Schulze is an upstream maintainer of one of my prospective packages, > and he's had problems sending mail to my @debian.org address. I believe that > this is something to do with master's IPv6 configuration - the SMTP error > message from master i

Re: WTF does zsh 3.1.9 does in potato-proposed-updates ?

2000-09-07 Thread Clint Adams
> I've opened a bug against zsh for the aforementioned behavior. Fine. We can move the discussion there then. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian, daemons and runlevels (was: Re: X and runlevels)

2000-09-07 Thread Henrique M Holschuh
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: > Here is what I'm trying to fix: Upgrading a daemon while the system is in > runlevel 4 and the init script system is set up to stop that daemon in > runlevel 4 is a *bug*. Damn, I should have said "Starting a daemon in a upgrade while the system...

Re: Debian, daemons and runlevels (was: Re: X and runlevels)

2000-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:01:31PM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: > Here is what I'm trying to fix: Upgrading a daemon while the system is > in runlevel 4 and the init script system is set up to stop that daemon > in runlevel 4 is a *bug*. ok, this makes sense. i must have misunderstood what y

Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Timshel Knoll
Hi, Oliver Schulze is an upstream maintainer of one of my prospective packages, and he's had problems sending mail to my @debian.org address. I believe that this is something to do with master's IPv6 configuration - the SMTP error message from master is: <<< 550 mail from :::216.250.196.10 re

Re: Debian, daemons and runlevels (was: Re: X and runlevels)

2000-09-07 Thread Henrique M Holschuh
On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 10:28:20AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: > > I was going to tack this sooner or later (the "trust us, we KNOW you > > want the daemons to start always" current state of almost all daemon > > packages annoys me to no end, and fr

Re: WTF does zsh 3.1.9 does in potato-proposed-updates ?

2000-09-07 Thread Philippe Troin
Package: zsh Version: 3.1.9.dev6-1 Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Why a new zsh was introduced in potato-proposed-updates ? It's not > > compatible with thw previous version... > > What do you mean, it's not compatible? "zmodload complist" does not work for example (it says it can

Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible

2000-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:17AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > 1) Ignore Python 1.6 and up, as long as the license is not compatible > >with the GPL. That's probably the easiest way to go, but is it > >justified ? Looks like a deliberate discrimination against a > >DFSG-free l

Re: Debian, daemons and runlevels (was: Re: X and runlevels)

2000-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 10:28:20AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: > I was going to tack this sooner or later (the "trust us, we KNOW you > want the daemons to start always" current state of almost all daemon > packages annoys me to no end, and from past flamewars I know I'm not > the only one),

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Jacob Kuntz
Frederic Peters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > - debconf: dpkg-reconfigure users ? debconf is there to configure >applications and I don't want to replace it at all. It is just not >suited for some tasks agreed, but effort should be made to keep the interface consistent between GUI admin to

FWD: Re: [slug-chat] RSA is FREE!!!

2000-09-07 Thread Joey Hess
Figured everyone should see this, just in case... - Forwarded message from Keith Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:02:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:00:58 -0400 From: Keith Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [slug-chat] RSA

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-07 Thread Frederic Peters
Seth Cohn wrote : > >So, yes, why reinvent the wheel, if there are allready n^x conftools > >around with a new one popping up monthly (webmin, COAS, linuxconf, > >debconf, yast, ..., ..., ...) ? It's not going to make anything > >easier. > Agreed. If you want to do something USEFUL, write a bette

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