Bug#864335: ITP: ppx-deriving-yojson -- OCaml syntax extension for JSON serialization

2017-06-06 Thread Ralf Treinen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ralf Treinen * Package name: ppx-deriving-yojson Version : 3.0 Upstream Author : whitequark * URL : https://github.com/whitequark/ppx_deriving_yojson * License : MIT Programming Lang: OCaml Description : OCaml sy

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > bash-completion: bash dput-ng licensecheck > * DEBATABLE: I like the Tab key to do something reasonable, > "bash-completion" means you never know what you'll get. I definitely would not want to run a Debian system that didn't have bash-comp

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Michael Lustfield
I'll chime in to what others have said. I think DVD images should not be the default/main download venue. Even though the careful package ordering by (alleged?) popularity, I am sure a great deal of Debian installs use under half of the packages provided by the first DVD (and many that are not ther

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:08:30PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 06.06.2017 um 18:06 schrieb Russ Allbery: > > Adam Borowski writes: > >> libpam-systemd: xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session > >> * BAD: Depends:systemd, utterly pointless without it. > > This is a whole other discussion, but we h

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Afif Elghraoui
على الثلاثاء 6 حزيران 2017 ‫04:42، كتب Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Ghislain Vaillant (2017-06-06 10:13:55) >> >> Given this is a Python package, we should not even have to argue about >> package relationships. Setuptools metadata provides install_requires >> and extras_require, the former mappi

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Afif Elghraoui
على الإثنين 5 حزيران 2017 ‫09:52، كتب Scott Kitterman: >> The answer to that is not clear from the maintainer's response; nor is >> it clear from what the submitter has written whether they know the >> answer. > Why is that question relevant? The policy definition of Recommends (versus > Sugge

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 6 juin 2017 15:55 +0200, Adam Borowski  : > pulseaudio: xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin > * BAD: I want working sound, duh. From now on, you may be more likely to get sound with pulseaudio than without due to upstreams dropping support for Alsa. See for example Firefox. And the trend will continue si

Bug#864322: ITP: node-es6-promise-polyfill -- JavaScript Polyfill for ES6 Promise

2017-06-06 Thread Daniel Ring
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniel Ring X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: node-es6-promise-polyfill Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Roman Dvornov * URL : https://github.com/lahmatiy/es6-promise-polyfill * License : Expat

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 06:43:46PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jun 2017, Adam Borowski wrote: > > No one installs i386 new -- machines that are non-amd64-capable are: > > * mainstream machines from 2004 and earlier > > That date is incorrect. I can't give you a precise

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
> [ Note Reply-To: set to d-devel ] (answering only to said list) > Hey, Hiya, > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch > that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. The vast majority of the >

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:29:20PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 06.06.2017 um 15:55 schrieb Adam Borowski: > > gvfs: atril easytag thunar > > * BAD: gvfs is a major annoyance and a security hole > > "Annoys Adam Borowski" is not a very convincing argument. For the first part, it indeed varies

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 06 Jun 2017, Adam Borowski wrote: > No one installs i386 new -- machines that are non-amd64-capable are: > * mainstream machines from 2004 and earlier That date is incorrect. I can't give you a precise date, but the Thinkpad T43 with a 32-bit Centrino Pentium-M was **launched** in April/2

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.06.2017 um 15:55 schrieb Adam Borowski: > gvfs: atril easytag thunar > * BAD: gvfs is a major annoyance and a security hole "Annoys Adam Borowski" is not a very convincing argument. As for "security hole", I'm not sure what exactly you have in mind there. I don't see any open CVEs or bugs ta

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.06.2017 um 18:06 schrieb Russ Allbery: > Adam Borowski writes: >> libpam-systemd: xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session >> * BAD: Depends:systemd, utterly pointless without it. > > This is a whole other discussion, but we had *endless* discussions of > this, and there are very sound technical

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 01:06:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > Uhm... could you be please be a bit more civil? > > I apologize; you're right. I should have been more civil. > > I do have to also add that I found your message considerably less civil > than how I think

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Philip Hands
Adam Borowski writes: >> > dnsmasq-base: lxc >> > * BAD: how often are you on a network without a DNS server? >> >> Your question here indicates to me that you've missed the point of this >> dependency entirely. lxc uses the dnsmasq program (not service, hence >> -base) for *DHCP* for container

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 09:06:46AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> And what happens here is, I think, typical: any one person often thinks >> choices of recommends make no sense, but a broader perspective provides >> quite a bit of justification. > It is remarkable that out

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 09:06:46AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > > More seriously, though, let's go through the list of 94 unsatisfied ones > > on my desktop; the list below is transposed to collate recommendees. > > And what happens here is, I think, typical: any one pe

Bug#864314: ITP: libsml -- C Library for the Smart Messaging Language (SML)

2017-06-06 Thread Andreas Moog
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Moog * Package name: libsml Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Juri Glass, Mathias Runge, Nadim El Sayed, Steffen Vogel * URL : https://github.com/volkszaehler/li

Bug#864313: ITP: ipcalcng -- Tool to assist in network address calculations for IPv4 and IPv6

2017-06-06 Thread Muri Nicanor
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Muri Nicanor * Package name : ipcalcng Version : 0.2.0-1 Upstream Author : Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos * Url : https://github.com/nmav/ipcalc * Licenses : BSD-3-Clause,GPL-2 Programming Lang : C Section : net

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon McVittie writes: > If there is a best set of Recommends for inexperienced users, and a > best set of Recommends for experienced users who value minimality, then > we should err in the direction of supporting the inexperienced users, > precisely because those are the people least likely to b

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: > > dnsmasq-base: lxc > * BAD: how often are you on a network without a DNS server? The dnsmasq-base "recommends" is about providing a dhcp server for containers not a dns server. libvirt-daemon-system has the same "recommends" for its VMs.

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 at 09:06:46 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > More seriously, though, let's go through the list of 94 unsatisfied ones > > on my desktop; the list below is transposed to collate recommendees. > > And what happens here is, I think, typical: any one person o

Bug#864304: ITP: fcitx-punc-ng -- Fcitx punc module for Sogou pinyin

2017-06-06 Thread Shengjing Zhu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Shengjing Zhu * Package name: fcitx-punc-ng Version : 0.1.1~git20161101 Upstream Author : Gao Qunkai * URL : https://github.com/sogoupinyin/fcitx-punc-ng/ * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C Description : Fcitx

Bug#864303: ITP: fcitx-fullwidthchar-enhance -- Fcitx fullwidthchar enhance module for Sogou pinyin

2017-06-06 Thread Shengjing Zhu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Shengjing Zhu * Package name: fcitx-fullwidthchar-enhance Version : 0.0~git20150311 Upstream Author : Gao Qunkai * URL : https://github.com/sogoupinyin/fcitx-fullwidthchar-enhance * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 06, Steve McIntyre wrote: > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch > that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. The vast majority of the > machines out there are now amd64, and we're aski

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > More seriously, though, let's go through the list of 94 unsatisfied ones > on my desktop; the list below is transposed to collate recommendees. And what happens here is, I think, typical: any one person often thinks choices of recommends make no sense, but a broader persp

Bug#864300: ITP: fcitx-autoeng-ng -- Fcitx autoeng module for Sogou pinyin

2017-06-06 Thread Shengjing Zhu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Shengjing Zhu * Package name: fcitx-autoeng-ng Version : 0.1.1~git20150311 Upstream Author : Gao Qunkai * URL : https://github.com/sogoupinyin/fcitx-punc-ng/ * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C Description : Fc

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Adam Borowski (2017-06-06 15:55:48) > More seriously, though, let's go through the list of 94 unsatisfied > ones on my desktop; the list below is transposed to collate > recommendees. > > > Categories: > OK: "Recommends:" looks warranted > DEBATABLE: duh. > BLOAT: potentially useful but

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 01:01:29PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch > that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. The vast majority of the > machines out there

Bug#864294: ITP: pycryptodome -- cryptographic library for Python

2017-06-06 Thread Christopher Hoskin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Christopher Hoskin * Package name: pycryptodome Version : 3.4.6 Upstream Author : Legrandin * URL : http://www.pycryptodome.org/ * License : BSD-2-Clause / Unlicense Programming Lang: Python / C Description : cry

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 05:39:41PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Maybe someone has a list of things they view as Recommends inflation that > have (a) been reported as bugs to the appropriate package maintainers, and > (b) have been rejected by those package maintainers? Those are the > controversia

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 09:38:29AM -0400, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > Personally, I would only ever download a DVD image if I was on a *slow* > connection and knew that I had to install to multiple machines. still then, I would rather use netinst plus a proxy… -- cheers, Holger signature.

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 06 2017, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'm *also* tempted to switch from the netinst to the first DVD image > instead - network connections have improved a lot. Why is that relevant? Is installing+downloading the DVD image faster than downloading netint + installing from network? Personally, I

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Colin Tuckley
On 06/06/17 13:01, Steve McIntyre wrote: > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch > that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. Seems sensible. > I'm *also* tempted to switch from the netinst to

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. Seems reasonable, perhaps with a small link for other options. > I'm *also* tempted to switch from the netinst to the first DVD image

Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Note Reply-To: set to d-devel ] Hey, For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. The vast majority of the machines out there are now amd64, and we're asking

Re: /root directory

2017-06-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
jvieir...@sapo.pt wrote: > >In the Debian tutorials, somewhere in the Debian file system[1] page >it states: “When you refer to root directory it means you talk about >the root of the file system: ‘/’. This is different from the home >directory for the root user: ‘/root’.” > >The

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ghislain Vaillant (2017-06-06 10:13:55) > On Tue, 2017-06-06 at 00:14 -0400, Afif Elghraoui wrote: >> I see now that python-networkx has some integration with those >> visualization libraries [1], which is not what I expected to be the >> case, though the page also says: >> >> ~~~ >> Netw

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Ghislain Vaillant
On Tue, 2017-06-06 at 00:14 -0400, Afif Elghraoui wrote: > I see now that python-networkx has some integration with those > visualization libraries [1], which is not what I expected to be the > case, though the page also says: > > ~~~ > NetworkX provides basic functionality for visualizing graphs,