Opt-in to continue as DD/DM? (was: I resigned in 2004)

2018-11-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Tollef Fog Heen : > (I also wonder if we should just require people to opt in to their > DD-ship on a yearly basis instead of doing most of the WAT/MIA dance. If > people can't be bothered to reply to a single email saying «yup, another > year please» with some reasonable amount of pinging and time

Limiting the power of packages

2018-10-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
The problem: when a .deb package is installed, upgraded, or removed, the maintainer scripts are run as root and can thus do anything. Sometimes what they do is an unwelcome surprise to the user. For example, the Microsoft Skype .deb and the Google Chrome .deb add to the APT sources lists and APT a

Re: Package not compatible with old systemd

2018-09-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 09:21:11AM +0200, Ondrej Novy wrote: > I think my solution is correct, because Swift works with any init system > and I want to only say "it doesn't work with older systemd". I don't think > it's correct to list all possible init systems in Depends. Would Conflicts work her

Re: Limiting the size of installed changelogs

2018-09-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:22:37AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > The src:linux package has a very big changelog (about 1700 kiB > uncompressed, 600 kiB gzipped). On my system the largest installed > changelogs, by some way, are all versions of this. (The next largest > changelogs come from src:gl

Re: Debian 9.5 Installer

2018-08-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, 2018-08-13 at 11:00 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > A previous iteration on this was > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722898 A modern SSD can write hundreds of megabytes per second, and contains on the order of a terabyte. Older SSDs are smaller, but slower. Rotating disk

Re: vmdebootstrap going away in September, switch now

2018-07-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Package: autopkgtest Version: 5.4.2 On Sun, 2018-07-29 at 23:24 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > I notice that the autopkgtest man pages still reference vmdebootstrap, > specifically autopkgtest-virt-qemu.1: > > > BUILDING IMAGES > >Debian > >For Debian you can use vmdebootstrap(8) to b

Building Debian packages in CI (ick)

2018-07-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I've recently made the first release of ick, my CI engine (https://ick.liw.fi/), which was built by ick itself. It went OK, but the process needs improvement. This mail has some pondering on how the process of building Debian packages should happen in the best possible taste. I'd appreciate feedba

Re: Comma in Maintainer field

2018-04-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I feel like performing cruel acts on a previously viable equine entity. On Sun, 2018-04-22 at 14:56 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think this is not really desirable. It would be much better to make > the syntax a subset of 5322, at least. I think we should make this easy on ourselves. Let's drop

Re: Bits from the release team: full steam ahead towards buster

2018-04-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 11:16 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > No, users and, I suspect, a large part of admins and developers cannot > easily say which of two codenames is newer, and it doesn't matter what are > those two codenames. Numeric versions are usually used to help with this, > but not so

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 04:07 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 03:33:48 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > apt show $PACKAGE > > > > There's no need to duplicate the information inside .dsc/.deb and apt > > indices. > > Do you realize that the point of the repository (not apt :) ind

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 15:40 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > I'm not sure now if this also has been said before, but I'm happy to > repeat it in any case. :) I'd very strongly object to completely moving > those fields out of the source packages, because it means when you get > or have a source packag

Re: New lintian warning: vcs-deprecated-in-debian-infrastructure

2018-03-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I admit I do not agree with this and it was discussed here before. Can > we please agree that anonscm.debian.org remains a valid URL and stop > starting another round of package uploads for the sake of changing Vcs > fields. I'm repeating

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-03-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sat, 2018-03-10 at 23:06 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > In this longish thread I have read one contribution where a developer > expressed that he was happy about checking his SONAME bumped package > that was erroneous and luckily ftpmaster found the problem. I'm happy that the ftp masters are d

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-03-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, 2018-03-07 at 00:30 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 07:27:40PM +, Ian Campbell wrote: > > > I know for a fact that quite regularly licence checks on binNEW packages > > > causes RC bugs to pop up. I acknowledge it may be a burder for the ftp > > > team, but t

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-03-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, 2018-03-05 at 14:51 +, Chris Lamb wrote: > Hi Martin, > > > In many cases, there is an issue open about the new binary package > > (In my experience, there is not.) > > > When there is no bug report open at all, well, bad luck. > > Well, possbibly, but if one is investing time and e

Re: A proposal for improving transparency of the FTP NEW process

2018-03-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 22:05 -0600, Steve Robbins wrote: > I assume that the reason my packages have been processed is due to one > > of two reasons: a) I get quoted on LWN several times a year, so I'm a > > celebrity and get special treatment > > I expect that's it. For the avoidance of doubt,

Re: A proposal for improving transparency of the FTP NEW process

2018-03-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 13:51 +0100, Gert Wollny wrote: > How do you want to achieve this with a source package that has 13k+ > source files and where upstream does not provide a standard license > header for each file? I.e. there is some license text and it needs to > be quoted, but licensecheck doe

Re: A proposal for improving transparency of the FTP NEW process

2018-03-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 13:00 +0100, Gert Wollny wrote: > as the one who is the uploader of the package that is currently longest > in the NEW pipeline (vtk7), I'd like to make a proposal how > transparency and also the interaction from non ftp-master members to > review packages could be improved.

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] three.js_80+dfsg2-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-03-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-03-01 at 11:59 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > It seems ftp masters are literally the masters with only a GR powerful > enough to over turn their decisions. See > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=881339#55 This seems correct, from my reading of the Debian constitution.

Re: Extended Long Term Support for Wheezy

2018-02-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I don't have an opinion on whether this should be done on Debian servers or not, but I have a comment on providing security support for more than a decade. How do you plan to deal with the kernel? Do you expect to backport security fixes to the wheezy kernel, or upgrade the kernel to newer versions

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-02-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 18:52 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 14 février 2018 16:09 +0200, Lars Wirzenius  : > > > > > It's not only an infrastructure problem. If you Depends on X (>= 1.8), > > > > this will be true with X 1:1.6 as well. ... > That's

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-02-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 11:54 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > It's not only an infrastructure problem. If you Depends on X (>= 1.8), > > this will be true with X 1:1.6 as well. > > Only if your program is severely buggy. > > Hint: either it

Bug#889826: ITP: vmdb2 -- create disk images with Debian installed

2018-02-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Lars Wirzenius * Package name: vmdb2 Version : 0.9 Upstream Author : Lars Wirzenius * URL : https://github.com/larswirzenius/vmdb2 * License : GPL3+ Programming Lang: Python Description : create disk images with

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-02-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, 2018-02-06 at 13:31 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 05:06:00PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > This is one of the many situations where I'd like developers to *ask* > > when unsure or uncertain of something. > > So, in fact, the epoch bump was totally useless, and

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 11:10 +0100, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > In general I agree with this as a DD, but when I wear my user hat I don't. I disagree, I'm afraid. As a user, the speed in which we do removals from testing or unstable shouldn't matter to you. What matters is that the software you need

Re: proposal: ITR (was Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?)

2018-02-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 08:37 +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Adam Borowski wrote... > > > Thus, I'd like to propose a new kind of wnpp bug: "Intent To Remove". > > Sounds like a very good idea. For me, I could automatically parse these > and check against the list of packages installed on my syste

Re: ITP: debos -- Debian OS builder

2018-01-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, 2018-01-11 at 11:00 +0100, Benjamin Drung wrote: > Both tools create a Debian OS and use a Jinja config which allows > specifying individual steps. Can the forces be joined? One is in Go, one in Python. There's nothing similar in the code bases. I see no chance of "joining forces", nor muc

Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

2018-01-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 10:44:24PM +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > On 1/3/18, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Moreover, defining an official nosystemd profile in Debian signals that we > > are willing to support it, which means any maintainers who refuse such > > patches will immediately become the tar

Re: Why do we list individual copyright holders?

2018-01-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:33:08PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > These statements are not in contradiction. Saying "this package complies > with policy version X" doesn't say anything about what version of policy the > package *should* comply with. Our tooling should absolutely be optimized > fo

Re: salsa.debian.org (git.debian.org replacement) going into beta

2017-12-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 12:42:28PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Guillem Jover wrote: > > > I'm also growing some URL switching fatigue when it comes to Debian's > > git repos. And that's one of the reasons I moved all my packaging to > > my own server some time ago.

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-04 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 02:33:07PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > Just because software comes pre-installed doesn't mean it is free. And > if it is also impossible to replace the software you also can't update > it with a free version so the user has even less freedom than when you > can replace th

Re: recommends for apparmor in newest linux-image-4.13

2017-11-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 03:01:09PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > That's still not an upstream default lsm. Looks like someone in > Debian just decided to make apparmor the default, which is horrible > news :( Hello, Christoph, do you think you could manage to either point the general -devel

Re: Proposed change of offensive packages to -offensive

2017-11-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:10:20AM +, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: > Currently, as far as I can tell, sudo is build without PC_INSULTS. We > should probably rename the sudo package to sudo-offensive. > > This option is defined in the source code as "Define to 1 to replace > politically incorrect i

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

2017-05-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: > On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise wrote: > > TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE web design with CSS turned > > on, I would probably just close the page. The old page is way more > > informative and less heavy on the

Bug#860453: ITP: sparseutils -- interact with sparse files

2017-04-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Lars Wirzenius * Package name: sparseutils Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : Richard Ipsum * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sparseutils/ * License : GPL3+ Programming Lang: Python3 Description : interact

Re: Bug#860170: node-brfs -- browserify fs.readFileSync() static asset inliner

2017-04-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 08:59:30AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:16:18PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 03:35:46PM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > > > Subject: Re: Bug#860170: node-brfs -- browserify fs.readFileSync() static > > > asset in

Re: Fwd: can anyone review diaspora-installer?

2017-04-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 11:17:26AM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > Sharing with wider debian community, hoping to get some support. I'm afraid I cannot give my support to this. I'm not involved with release management, so this is just one rando developer's opinion. > Current version in unstable do

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:30:44AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Lars Wirzenius: > > > A compication in this is that even though the developers of a program > > would be happy with linking to OpenSSL, people who've written other > > libraries the program uses,

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:09:20AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Well, that's really new to me. Why would you object to link to OpenSSL? I'm not sure how to respond to this. I don't understand why it is new to you. The conflict between the OpenSSL and GPL licences is well known, at least within

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 08:14:25AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > As Carlos, it's hard for me to believe anyone will object to OpenSSL > linking, all the more when they implemented the support for it. A compication in this is that even though the developers of a program would be happy with linking

Re: Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move

2017-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
(Reply-to points at me, I doubt there's any need for much discussion. If you disagree, tweak you headers accodingly.) On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 02:06:17PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 01:00:03PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > > From: Lee Garrett > > To: 829076-

Re: Git hosting for code that provides Debian services

2017-01-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:31:41AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Sorry, my e-mail was poorly worded. I'd like to know why Lars thinks > that they are not sufficiently free. I don't want to spend much time on this (there are backups to make and test) so I'll just link to the infinitely wise Bradley

Re: Git hosting for code that provides Debian services

2017-01-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:16:59PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > On തിങ്കള്‍ 30 ജനുവരി 2017 07:05 വൈകു, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > Is the Gitlab software still an "open core" product of Gitlab the > > company? > > > > git.fosscommunity.in is running Gitlab C

Re: Git hosting for code that provides Debian services

2017-01-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 06:57:46PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > The entire idea of that instance is to make a 100% Free Software public > git hosting service available to the Free Software community. Is the Gitlab software still an "open core" product of Gitlab the company? -- I want to build

Re: Auto reject if autopkgtest of reverse dependencies fail or cause FTBFS

2017-01-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 08:50:57AM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote: > Sean Whitton writes: > > I agree with the principle that test failures should be RC by default. > > This is something which seems to have no disagreement here. My concern > is just that I want to have a simple way to override this,

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 06:27:57PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Python 3.6 isn't even in experimental yet This bit was wrong. 3.6 is in experimental. That doesn't change my point about a transition being too late now, however. -- I want to build worthwhile things that might

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 04:58:01PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: > I couldn't find any official statement if Python 3.6 will be the default > interpreter in stretch (as it was the current stable when the soft freeze > happened it should be, right?) Python 3.6 was released 23 December. The stretch t

Re: unattended-upgrades by default

2017-01-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sat, Jan 07, 2017 at 12:04:54PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > Now we can't be the Universal OS, no matter what we do :-) Distro development is difficult, let's go shopping. Sarcasm aside, here's a summary of the situation, as I understand it. tldr: let's not despair, we have a mostly technical

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 08:17:01PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > In my opinion ip provides all the things you are mentioning - what are > you missing? with -o as option the output is rather easy to parse. I find ip's output hard to read. I have to take time to visually parse it every time, I can't

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 10:30:26AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > OK, you can remove the last half, but keep in mind there are plenty of > people who aren't using the exotic features provided by iproute2, and > are very happy using the more convenient and shorter BSD-style > commands. If you're goi

Re: Bug#847749: ITP: node-user-home -- Get the path to the user home directory

2016-12-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 11:56:53AM -0300, Fernando Toledo wrote: > A package to get user home path ? > The world is dying... We've had a number of discussions about nodejs's approach to what is a suitable library/package size. Can we please not have that again? -- I want to build worthwhile thin

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:55:48AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > I fail to see the relation to http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep8/ - can you > explain? It's a benign acronym collision: both Debian and Django define DEP: ours is Debian enhancement proposal, their is Django enhancement proposal. See ht

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 08:54:08AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > Lars Wirzenius writes: > > > If I understand this correctly, Django wants to gather usage > > statistics from installed Django instances, in a way that they say > > respects user privacy (though I failed to

Re: More 5 november in the release schedule

2016-11-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 11:23:24AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > FTAOD: I thank the release team for their tireless work on making each > Debian release better than the last. We keep on adding more and more > software and making things harder and harder to stabilise and release, > and I 100% suppo

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 06:05:18PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > https://github.com/django/deps/pull/31 If I understand this correctly, Django wants to gather usage statistics from installed Django instances, in a way that they say respects user privacy (though I failed to understand how, given a quic

Re: More 5 november in the release schedule

2016-11-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Nov 06, 2016 at 11:59:34AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > That is really really bad. I really hoped back in 2015 that you were > joking when you announced that. It's really, really good. I was really glad that it isn't a joke. I'm even willing to justify my opinion: Keeping testing in a state

Re: unattended-upgrades by default?

2016-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 06:47:28PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > One of the topics that we've been talking about yesterday is automatic > software upgrades of cloud images. Some of the cloud platform > providers really want this so that unsophisticated / inexperienced > users of Debian images on t

Re: Bug#843021: RFP: yarn -- a fast, reliable, and secure package manager for Node.js

2016-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 06:04:26PM +0100, Paolo Greppi wrote: > On 03/11/2016 17:54, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > I see the following possibilities now: > > > > a) You rename the yarn package manager in Debian (both package and > >binary). I keep the yarn name

Re: Bug#843021: RFP: yarn -- a fast, reliable, and secure package manager for Node.js

2016-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Paolo Greppi wrote: > On 03/11/2016 15:28, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > The JS package manager called yarn is quite new. It wouldn't be > > unreasonable to suggest to them to rename it to avoid a naming > > conflict, in my opinion. &

Re: Bug#843021: RFP: yarn -- a fast, reliable, and secure package manager for Node.js

2016-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Paolo Greppi wrote: > Fine, I have opened an "Issue" in the github tracker, let's see if this > is received constructively: > https://github.com/yarnpkg/yarn/issues/1656 Thank you. -- I want to build worthwhile things that might last. --joeyh signature

Re: Bug#843021: RFP: yarn -- a fast, reliable, and secure package manager for Node.js

2016-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 02:02:31PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I searched github for `yarn'. You don't find my software on github. I do not want to rely on non-free services like github. > There are lots of hits for other > programs, including: > - a dialogue editor (for games, I think) > - a

Re: Bug#843021: RFP: yarn -- a fast, reliable, and secure package manager for Node.js

2016-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 01:32:14PM +0100, Paolo Greppi wrote: > cmdtest provides yarn since this commit: > http://git.liw.fi/cgi-bin/cgit/cgit.cgi/cmdtest/commit/?id=859bb5ba9631df883dd7b074ff649ea2ca76e1ad Yep, in 0.27-1, uploaded Sep 21 this year. cmdtest has included the yarn program since June

Re: Bug#843021: RFP: yarn -- a fast, reliable, and secure package manager for Node.js

2016-11-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 08:36:21AM +0100, Paolo Greppi wrote: >Package name: yarn > URL: https://github.com/yarnpkg/yarn My cmdtest package provides yarn, since the main tool it now provides is yarn (a testing tool), not cmdtest. Perhaps your package could be called yarnpkg? -- I

Re: Is missing SysV-init support a bug?

2016-10-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 07:34:28PM +0200, Xen wrote: > If that is the case then they have enbedded hostility into their name simply > becaus eit offends normal grammar roles. I don't that's it at all. The reason many people react to the SystemD spelling is becuase, for some years now, trolls use

Re: Bug#841196: ITP: node-os-homedir -- Node.js 4 `os.homedir()` ponyfill

2016-10-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 06:03:28PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > The WTFness of this code is certainly way above what we're normally used to, > but (AIUI) it's only used as a fallback for nodejs < 4. Debian currently has > 4.6.0. In that case, perhaps this package isn't needed in Debian at all? > >

Re: Bug#841196: ITP: node-os-homedir -- Node.js 4 `os.homedir()` ponyfill

2016-10-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 08:40:49PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > I don't particularly enjoy doing this either. Please direct your anger > at the nodejs developers. I'm doing this only because the packages I > care (diaspora and gitlab won't be accepted in main, unless I build > libjs-handlebars an

Re: Bug#841196: ITP: node-os-homedir -- Node.js 4 `os.homedir()` ponyfill

2016-10-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 08:59:20PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > On Tuesday 18 October 2016 08:27 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > This is so wrong, I would like to ask that this package not be allowed > > into Debian until it's fixed. > > I agree this could be marked RC a

Re: Bug#841196: ITP: node-os-homedir -- Node.js 4 `os.homedir()` ponyfill

2016-10-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 08:49:27PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > On Tuesday 18 October 2016 08:27 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > This is so wrong, I would like to ask that this package not be allowed > > into Debian until it's fixed. > > This is already reported ups

Re: Bug#841196: ITP: node-os-homedir -- Node.js 4 `os.homedir()` ponyfill

2016-10-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 03:27:46PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > The code, well... > > if (process.platform === 'linux') { > return home || (process.getuid() === 0 ? '/root' : (user ? > '/home/' + user : null)); > } > > Things are more complicated than that. What exact

Re: Package name conflict question

2016-10-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 03:36:56PM +0800, SZ Lin (林上智) wrote: > Although these packages are not API-compatible, they are using the > same installation path and file name; therefore, I think "Conflict:" > section is needed. The problem with this is that this prevents our users from having both of t

Re: non-Debian software on ftp*.*.debian.org mirrors

2016-10-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:55:39PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > I'd say that those who can discern Debian non-free from Debian > proper are at low risk of confusing, say, [1] with the "software > [...] endorsed or even produced by Debian." http://ftp.se.debian.org/ and http://ftp

Re: non-Debian software on ftp*.*.debian.org mirrors

2016-10-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 11:50:46AM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > Doesn’t the presence of the ‘non-free’ section in the official > Debian Release (InRelease) files /already/ mislead inexperienced > people into thinking that such software is either part of Debian > or endorsed

Re: problem with libc6 / iconv

2016-10-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Oct 09, 2016 at 01:49:14AM +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote: > node-iconv used to be able to translit utf-8 chars (ça va) to ascii (ca va) > using setlocale("C.UTF-8") trick. > > However, several libc6 version ago, that behavior changed, to the point > node-iconv fails its tests now. > > I've fail

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:23:56AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > Because you think people will not be frustrated if they experience a bug and > that we prevent them to raise bugs? Hiding reality is always bad?. Look at the > original reporter last message. He seems quite disappointed by the proj

Re: Uploading existing source but with different size

2016-09-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 01:08:08PM +0100, Marcin Kulisz wrote: > Unfortunately there is difference in size for *.orig.tar.gz between what's in > the archive and what's updated package produces thus upload fails. > > I'm not sure why this difference occurs (it's 27 bytes). > > Any ideas how can I

Re: Upcoming change to perl: current directory in @INC

2016-09-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 11:55:26AM +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > On 29 August 2016 at 14:39, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > > tl;dr: '.' is being removed from perl's @INC by default; some breakage > > in apps expected. > > > > For some years[1], it's been known that perl's habit of including '.

Re: Network access during build

2016-09-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 09:42:57AM +0200, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > That makes sense, but in this case what is the usefulness of the > Standards-Version field? And more precisely, why is it considered an > error [1] to omit it? As far as I care, the only point of the field is to document which polic

Re: Network access during build

2016-09-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 09:29:53AM +0200, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > This rule appeared in the version 3.9.7 of the policy. Just declare in > debian/control that your package conforms to the version 3.9.6 and the > issue will no longer be a RC policy violation ;) That's not how policy compliance actu

Re: Network access during build

2016-09-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 07:17:20AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > The fix is easy: just disable the test. > > However, I have a hard time to find this useful for anyone. To sum up: As a counterpoint, it's useful to prevent others from wondering why the build attempts to access the network. In thi

Re: Common location for face files

2016-08-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:43:43AM +0200, Martin Bammer wrote: > Hi, > > why are the face files located in user's home? In case of encrypted home > directories the login managers cannot access them and the user management > programs of the different DEs need to create an extra copy of the face f

Re: Is missing SysV-init support a bug?

2016-08-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:59:48AM +0200, Carsten Leonhardt wrote: > Robert Edmonds writes: > > > I would guess that the vast majority of folks still using sysvinit with > > Debian are running wheezy or older, and thus removing sysvinit scripts > > from packages in unstable wouldn't affect them.

Re: ifupdown2: debconf followup

2016-08-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 09:01:20PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 01, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > > > Sorry, what I actually meant was "every non-toy Debian system". > > we get that you have strong preferences. However, could you please > > avoi

Re: ifupdown2: debconf followup

2016-08-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:42:39PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Sorry, what I actually meant was "every non-toy Debian system". Marco, we get that you have strong preferences. However, could you please avoid inflammatory language when talking about anything that isn't according to your preference

Re: Bug#830983: ITP: field -- extracts a list of fields from a file

2016-07-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 01:08:25PM -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: > Perhaps moreutils? > > The utilities provided therein are (partially) written in perl. So it > is out of place in that regards - but certainly not a show stopping > road block. > > Joey Hess is the maintainer according to: > > ap

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

2016-07-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 03:52:56PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > Maybe libinput does the typing detection syndaemon does, but I can't > find any evidence for it. I remember trying the typing detection some years ago. It didn't help me much, since the order of events, for me, tend to be that the m

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

2016-07-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:45:49PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote: > It's just probably that your config didn't have palm detection enabled > with the synaptics driver. `synclient | grep PalmDetect` would tell you. I've been using the following script, with variations on the parameters to find a working

Re: synaptics vs libinput and GNOME 3.20 no longer supporting synaptics

2016-07-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 09:36:16AM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > Briefly: synaptics is much better touchpad driver than libinput. For me, the opposite is true. After Raphael's mail yesterday, I switched from the synaptics driver to the xinput one (by removing xserver-xort-input-synaptics) and sin

Re: opinions of snappy packages

2016-07-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:11:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > The point has been made that there are lots of other clients in Debian main > that only talk to a single, proprietary server implementation; so if snapd > did only talk to the Canonical store, I believe its placement in main would >

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:52:35PM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On Jun 23 2016, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:23:07AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > >> As I said in my other email, I am wondering if the extra burden is worth > >> the gain in se

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:23:07AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > As I said in my other email, I am wondering if the extra burden is worth > the gain in security. Is there an extra burden? Seems to me that it'd happen naturally if you contribute to Debian and as part of that interact with other Deb

Re: opinions of snappy packages

2016-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 06:58:25PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > With mps-youtube going to contrib, all web browsers should also go > to contrib as they can access Youtube and so on. That's not my opinion. There is plenty of free software to run on the server side to serve content to web browsers

Re: opinions of snappy packages

2016-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 05:29:12PM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > I don't understand this. What about Twitter clients[0], YouTube > clients[1], Flickr clients[2], and probably clients for many other > non-free web services?[3] If a piece of free software requires, for its essential function, some serve

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:58:43AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On Jun 21 2016, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, > > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID > > documents to others. This is one of the issues why

Re: opinions of snappy packages

2016-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 03:44:54PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > snapd is available in Debian unstable for roughly the past two weeks. Disclaimer: I've never used snap packages, and I haven't even read their documentation. https://packages.debian.org/sid/snapd indicates the package is in the Deb

Re: Next steps for gitlab.debian (Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project)

2016-06-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 08:46:30AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:24:48AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > > We do patching as part of our daily packaging already: to replace (or > > circumvent) non-dfsg functionality, to integrate into our environment, > > and everything els

Re: Next steps for gitlab.debian (Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project)

2016-06-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 10:41:33PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > I don't see what's so unreasonable about that. They're asking you to > provide the same licence for your contributions, as the licence for the > existing Gitlab software.  Every FOSS project expects that, even if > they don't make su

Re: Next steps for gitlab.debian (Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project)

2016-06-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 09:47:56AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > I am also not very keen on using a system with a "open core / enterprise" > model. For such a crucial service I would really prefer a real open source > system. But maybe I am alone with that oppinion. You're not alone. The open co

Re: Dropping upstart jobs (or not)

2016-06-04 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 09:49:10AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 04, Marc Haber wrote: > > > Another piece of diversity lost in the open source world. > http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/ > > > systemd is winning the war. > You are wrong: this war was won long ago: Can we please not turn

Re: Vcs-* and shared repos

2016-05-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:09:47PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > By also considering the fact that the "-d DIR" solution does not prevent > to add a "-l" in the future, I think minimality wins here (hence my > "Yay" to your proposal in separate mail). YMMV. My only concern here is the introdu

New requirements for ITPs? (was: Bug#815675: ITP: ftpbackup -- Script to backups your data from a Debian system to a ftp space)

2016-02-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 03:29:35PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > To avoid unpleasant situations like this, I recommend to never combine roles > of upstream and Debian maintainer. > > If you wrote something cool, instead of uploading it to ftp-master, write a > blog post about it. If it's really as aw

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