Hi,
you don't seem to address:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029097
why?
On Fri, 2024-01-19 at 11:40 -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> There are a number of changes, and I'd just like a bit more
> confidence
> that it works as expected before uploading to unstable in about a
> w
On Thu, 2021-11-11 at 16:07 -0500, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > Since some significant work on dpkg is reasonably not forthcoming
>
> Yeah, because _you,_ Marco, prefer to spend your time trying to
> gaslight the project into thinking there isn't a critical-severity
> bug in usr
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 21:51 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:15:33PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> [...]
> > Debian, the Universal Operating System was used some years ago!
>
> Svante, fine. You are unhappy with Debian since years, you're not
>
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 15:34 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-07-20 3:30 p.m., Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:47:04 +0200, Svante Signell
> > wrote:
> > > According to the dpkg developer and maintainer Guillem users can
&g
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 13:41 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Isn't this kind of crying over spilt milk? I also wish we never had
> ended up with the buster/bullseye state where both unmerged and
> merged-/usr-via-aliased-dirs are fully supported. However there is
> now a huge number of m
On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 20:58 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 23:40 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 19:54:56 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > > Sean Whitton dixit:
> > > > * #978636 move to merged-usr-only?
> > > >
On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 23:40 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 19:54:56 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > Sean Whitton dixit:
> > > * #978636 move to merged-usr-only?
> > >
> > > We were asked to decide whether or not Debian 'bookworm' should
> > > continue to support systems wh
Hello,
I recently installed Debian/bullseye/sid in a VM from a snapshot. After running
that image I realized the I got a merged-user installation.
As for now I have:
bin -> usr/bin
lib -> usr/lib
lib32 -> usr/lib32
lib64 -> usr/lib64
libx32 -> usr/libx32
sbin -> usr/sbin
Is there some way to ach
Back on debian-devel.
On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 14:22 +, Sam Hartman wrote:
>From a private reply to me from Sam:
> I hear your frustration at Samuel's message.
I want Samuel to apologize on _this_ email list for insulting me.
Regarding your opinion about the GR becomes very clear by reading
htt
Sam: This reply is addressed to Samuel and another to you follows, then I'll
shut up.
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Nice, the first thing I'll do is to shut down the Debian/GNU Hurd
> > buildd mahler.
> Can't you see you are here exactly very precisely here *again
Sam: This reply is addressed to you, and another to Samuel, then I'll shut up.
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 08:27 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I can't speak for anyone else, but yeah I've come to my own conclusions.
> I was fairly open about them:
> https://hartmans.livejournal.com/99395.html
>
> For my
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello Sam,
>
> Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit:
> > Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including
> > Svante> those having package not being dependent on systemd.
> >
> > I am frustrated readi
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > > > > > "Svante" == Svante Signell writes:
>
> Svante> When is
> Svante> Debian ever to offer a non-systemd alternative for
> Svante> installation?
>
> I hear your
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 14:14 -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 08:09:13PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > > On a Debian system _not_ running systemd:
> > > >
> > > > du -sh /var/log
> > > > 74M /var/log
> > Of
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 13:41 -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 07:22:07PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On a Debian sytem _not_ running systemd:
> >
> > du -sh /var/log
> > 74M /var/log
> >
> > And the binary logs from systemd wo
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 16:09 +, Philip Hands wrote:
> > > I solved this by removing Systemd from my systems.
> > >
> > > And now what?
> Well, since we're apparently meant to be obsessed about what it is
> like to accept every default, then let's assume for a moment that you
> are asking about
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 15:08 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Feb 06, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > There are still a large number of
> > Debian users opting away from using systemd (and still use Debian,
> > not
> > derivatives). And what about non-linux syste
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 07:58 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 6 février 2020 09:50 +11, Dmitry Smirnov :
>
> > > and 2) continuing to use rsyslog isn't an option if the default changes.
> >
> > No. I just don't want default to change. IMHO rationale for this is weak
> > but everybody keeps argui
On Fri, 2019-11-01 at 06:47 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-11-01 at 00:54 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 22:40 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > > On Oct 31, Svante Signell wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Marco, I think your
On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 22:40 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 31, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > When elogind enters testing there would be many more people running
> > Debian with sysvinit/elogind. elogind is needed for desktop usage
> > when not using systemd as PI
On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 15:45 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > On Oct 31, Simon Richter wrote:
> >
> > No, and that's not our job. There are a lot of people out there
> > building non-systemd systems.
> Data says: not really a lot.
When elogind enters testing there would be many more people running
On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 12:14 -0300, elementar wrote:
> Where do I find kFreeBSD-amd64 isos, from testing or unstable?
>
> Em sex, 12 de abr de 2019 17:49, Joerg Jaspert
> escreveu:
> > Hi
> >
> > back in August 2018 we discussed architecture inclusion into
> > unstable/experimental.
> >
> > Toda
On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 12:18 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> He rightfully means he does not want patches, but patches getting
> submitted upstream, so he does not have to maintain them. A Debian
> package maintainer is not supposed to maintain patches long-term.
Then the question of which respo
On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 11:51 +0200, Carsten Schoenert wrote:
> Am 13.04.19 um 11:15 schrieb Svante Signell:
>
> > Please give up on Debian. They clearly have no interest in anything
> > non-linux or non-systemd, that is fully clear. Let's make a joint
> > effort to mak
On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 10:58 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Joerg Jaspert, le sam. 13 avril 2019 10:24:53 +0200, a ecrit:
> > On 15371 March 1977, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >
>
> Well, it's very odd that a team decision is suddenly made with a
> two-week effect without asking whether the schedule
On Wed, 2018-11-21 at 14:43 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 02:05:42PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> [...]
> > > Another question is, why?
>
> [...]
>
> thank you very much for explaining in detail why usrmerge is sensible
> and the right thing to do for Deb
On Wed, 2018-11-21 at 13:09 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:52:22 +0100, Adam Borowski
> wrote:
> > I am seriously claiming that RHEL is in the place Solaris was in 2010.
> > Rapidly falling user share (like Solaris, it was ubiquitous in the past!),
> > acquired by a company kno
On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 23:04 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 21 octobre 2018 18:12 GMT, Ivan Shmakov :
>
> >
> > You know, in almost twenty years of using GNU/Linux, I think
> > it’s the first time I’m requested /not/ to report bugs and
> > contribute patches. How times did change,
On Fri, 2018-10-19 at 09:37 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2018-10-19 08:39, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> > El 18/10/18 a les 22:07, Bernd Zeimetz ha escrit:
> > > For my packages I can state that I do not have a single machine
> > > which is not using systemd - and to be honest - I won't waste my
> > >
On Mon, 2018-10-15 at 17:06 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> It's a matter of people subscribing to the
> pkg-sysvinit-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org list and discussing there,
> I
> don't see why anything heavier would be needed.
I thought alioth was no more, but maybe the mailing list remains?
On Mon, 2018-09-03 at 01:07 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> > So has the debian patch been submitted in #900240 upstream by you or Petter
> > Reinholdtsen yet? I don't believe so!
>
> I don't think so either, it'd be marked forwarded. That doesn't mean you
> can't help with it.
Regardless who
On Mon, 2018-09-03 at 00:19 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry Samuel, I asked both you and James Clarke, Cc:ed, for help on this
> > issue and you both said it was not possible to NMU cmake, even if you are
> > both
> > DD's.
>
> For my part, I was not talking about that patch, but ab
On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 19:46 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Svante Signell, le dim. 02 sept. 2018 19:45:19 +0200, a ecrit:
> > On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 15:21 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > The statistics and graphs available on the debian-po
On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 15:21 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> > The statistics and graphs available on the debian-ports page[1] may
> > provide some objective statistics or reflection on the actual
> > suitability of your architecture's continued inclusion.
> > [1]: https://buildd.debian.org/sta
Hello,
Where are the browsable packages for gcc-* now, when salsa is in use?
>From the web package for gcc-8:
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gcc-8
Click on VCS: Browse
http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/gcccvs/branches/sid/gcc-8/
Server not found
Click on VCS: QA
https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatc
On Fri, 2018-05-04 at 23:16 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> Yavor,
>
> On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 04:06:05PM +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote:
> > Andreas Tille wrote:
> > > What's the correct way to fix the symbols file to work with both
> > > versions of gcc?
> Guess what, C++ is more complex than C.
So
Hi all,
Cc: debian-devel
The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD port recently obtained a buildd building
packages for the sid distribution, kamp. Thank you very much for your
effort making this happening jrtc27 :) The buildd is now soon up-to-
date building packages being outdated. As you know GNU/Hurd packages
Incredible: What's going on in Debian??
On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 12:31:10AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> reopen 886238
> thanks
>
> Did you see this? I thought this was not discussed through yet! Very nice
> attitude from Debian DD's indeed :(
As I said: don't.
Bastian
reopen 886238
thanks
Did you see this? I thought this was not discussed through yet! Very nice
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> To: 886238-d...@bugs.debian.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:50:23 +
On Fri, 2018-01-05 at 01:47 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
>
> Especially you two shouldn't be fighting. As far as I know, Svante is
> somewhat involved with eudev maintenance in Devuan (done mostly by parazyd,
> though), while Marco has a great wealth of udev experience.
Well I did the work an
On Fri, 2018-01-05 at 00:41 +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 at 23:01:07 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > What about creating a linux-nosystemd architecture, e.g.
> > dbus-1.12.2/debian/control
> > Build-Depends:
> > libsystemd-dev [linux-any !linux
On Thu, 2018-01-04 at 23:09 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jan 04, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "anti-systemd zealots" Steve, when did you join LP fanclub? When
> > Ubuntu decided to throw away your upstart and use systemd instead?
>
> Classy...
Yes _your_ reply is classy. Neve
On Thu, 2018-01-04 at 21:35 +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote:
> On 1/3/18, Andrew Shadura wrote:
>
> > Do we really need systemd-less builds? I'm not convinced this is
> > something relevant to Debian.
>
> http://angband.pl/deb/archive.html
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/BuildProfileSpec#Derivative_spec
On Wed, 2017-10-25 at 18:03 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> Mea Culpa. This was a bug in the "defaults-disabled" implementation. I
> have just uploaded a fixed version.
Hi, when trying to follow which patches are applied to sysvinit, the git link
given in the package page, https://packages.qa.deb
On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 16:31 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> On 2017-10-18 12:08 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> I quite often use the debian/rules binary{-arch,-indep} interface when
> doing porting/bootstrapping work (i.e the package built but something
> goes wrong in the packaging process so I want to re
On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 11:54 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 at 11:57:55 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > Building some packages for GNU/Hurd has been impossible in the
> > past, since also tests are run under fakeroot.
>
> Is there some reason why this w
On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 11:36 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> Hi!
>
> So, dpkg 1.19.0 and 1.19.0.1 had a bug where the build target was not
> being called when building packages.
Thanks, this problem has finally been revealed officially. Are you sure
this problem is not older than version 1.19.x?
B
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 13:20 +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:19:42PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> [Restoring deleted conffiles]
>
> > dpkg --force-confmiss --install , as suggested by Simon,
> > didn't work
>
> Hm, that smells like a bug.
For me it worked on alr
Sorry for empty messages, but my mailer: evolution has gone nuts after the
upgrade and recovery :(
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 11:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
>
On Tue, 2016-11-29 at 19:18 +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 29.11.2016 17:58, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > After upgrading to sid the conffiles don't seem to be installed any longer?
> > Examples are bash, passwd, basefiles and libpam-runtime. Especially t
Hello Rahpahel,
Cc: debian-devel
Sorry to bother you but I found your name at the following page:
https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed
-by-dpkg/
I don't know a suitable forum for this type of question. And please don't refer
me to the high-traffic ML de
On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 11:34 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Jakub Wilk, on Tue 04 Oct 2016 10:55:36 +0200, wrote:
> > * Svante Signell , 2016-10-04, 08:54:
> > > From memory I think this is due to usage of the default rule:
> > > %:
> > > dh $@
> &g
On Thu, 2016-10-06 at 13:51 +0300, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > #838480
> > > [...]
> > > Any suggestions?
> > Is it possible to use a pointyclicky desktoppy widgety thing to reboot
> > a system with runit ? I guess from your mails you use the command
> > line.
> > [...]
> > I think if
On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 10:55 +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Svante Signell , 2016-10-04, 08:54:
> >
> > From memory I think this is due to usage of the default rule:
> > %:
> > dh $@
> >
> > with no override_dh_auto_build and override_dh_auto_test r
On Mon, 2016-10-03 at 16:46 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Christian Seiler writes ("Re: package builds crashing under fakeroot"):
> >
> > On 10/03/2016 04:50 PM, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> > >
> > > So its a legitimate tightening of credential-checking in pmix. However
> > > it causes problems for
On Fri, 2016-01-15 at 04:57 -0500, shawn wilson wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 2016 5:11 PM, "Zlatan Todoric" wrote:
>
> > > So I think it is very important that we support AMD right now on what we
> > > can, and ask manufacturers to include AMD graphics in those products.
> > >
> >
> > You do realize th
On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 19:15 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> Quite some developers are getting paid to be Debian users or by
> Debian
> users. We participate in Debian because it makes using Debian easier
> for the people who pay us.On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:14:45 -0800,
> Nikolaus Rath
>
>
> If these u
On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 09:14 -0800, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> On Jan 08 2016, Svante Signell wrote:
> > The problem is that with Debian heading down this road, the Debian
> > GNU/Linux distribution will not exist in 5 years from now.
>
> Debian is developed by its developers,
On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 22:46 +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> Marc Haber writes:
>
> > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:37:03 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > > On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > > People who have been using a configuration for many years naturally
> > > > become upset when they are told
Hi,
This message was not intended to be sent to a debian-* mailing list by
the author. However, since it is (in my opinion) of large interest I
got the permission to forward it to debian-devel. Hopefully, also some
of the debian-devel subscribers will appreciate it too.
Thanks!
Forwarde
On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 11:21 +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 12.09.2015, 21:55 +0300 schrieb Виталий Филиппов:
>
> That's what Sid/Unstable is used for. You'll have to live with that :)
> This transition was IMHO a monster compared to the usual transitions
> and it might happen agai
On Sat, 2015-08-15 at 12:59 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:52:14PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > With the latest debian packages, 3.16.3-1.1 evo cannot any longer
> > connect to Contacts and the gmail account. [...]
> > Following sid has normal
Hi,
With the latest debian packages, 3.16.3-1.1 evo cannot any longer
connect to Contacts and the gmail account:
Failed to connect to 'Contacts'
Cannot find a corresponding account in the org.gnome.OnlineAccounts
service from which to obtain a password for 'a...@gmail.com'
Failed to connect acco
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 11:47 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 05:48:25PM +0200, Antonio Diaz Diaz wrote:
> > Aggressive statement? I guess your community should change its own
> > documentation. I merely copied the description from there:
>
> > http://www.debian.org/intro/fre
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 22:12 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 20:50 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > I don't think ifupdown has been "Debian's native tool" for several years
> > now. It is one among several available tools, and happens to be the only
> > one with Debia
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 22:12 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 20:50 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > I don't think ifupdown has been "Debian's native tool" for several years
> > now. It is one among several available tools, and happens to be the only
> > one with Debia
On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 15:09 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Svante Signell, le Tue 05 May 2015 15:00:55 +0200, a écrit :
> > One of the main problems with debian-ports is that the Sources.gz file
> > is empty:
> > http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unreleased/main/sou
On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:17 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> [Speaking for the debian-hurd team]
>
> Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 04 May 2015 08:28:22 +0200, a écrit :
> > Maybe it's just about supporting and advertising debian-ports as
> > Debian's official way to host second-class architectures. Maybe
On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 23:45 +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler
> > wrote:
> >> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
> >>>
> >>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debia
On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 15:22 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
> > On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 16:55 +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> >> On 03/12/14 14:46, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> >>> If more granularity is needed, what's hindering introduction of
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 16:55 +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 03/12/14 14:46, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 14:25 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> >> The problem with those groups is that they are not fine grained
> >> enough.
> >
> >
Hello,
Looking at the IRC log
http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/debian-ctte.git/tree/meetings/20141204/debian-ctte.2014-12-04-18.00.log.txt
lines 197 to 280 reveals the plan.
Conclusion: quoting Steve Langasek: "we recommend/support
systemd being the default init system for upgrades as
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hello,
> In summary:
> a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
> kept.
> b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf
> message about alternative init systems.
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 15:49 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 3 décembre 2014 15:46 +0100, Svante Signell :
>
> >> The problem with those groups is that they are not fine grained
> >> enough. For example, the video group gives access to the framebuffer
> >> dev
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 14:25 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 3 décembre 2014 13:55 +0100, Adam Borowski :
>
> >> In both cases (systemd-sysv or systemd-shim), ACLs should be correctly
> >> set for the current user.
> >>
> >> This “adduser first-user audio” was already useless in squeeze and it
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 22:01 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are
> > going to
> > have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to
> > systemd,
> > then we should take appr
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:19 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:40 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > This is another nail in the Universal OS coffin: Let's move to devuan,
> > please!
>
> You are of course free to do that. This discussion is abo
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:27 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek writes:
> >
> > […]
> >
> > > The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
> > > discussed. There ar
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:14 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > One claim is changed, see below.
> >
> > On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Hello,
> >
> > > In s
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
> New dbus client library is also slated to become
> public when its ready an
One claim is changed, see below.
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hello,
> In summary:
> a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
> kept.
> b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf
> message
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 13:48 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers
> > will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the users). Future will
>
> I’ll
Hello,
In the (last) hope that the CTTE will bring this issue on the agenda
next meeting on December 4. Additional information below and a short
summary.
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > (another partial? so
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 08:45 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
> > On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette
> If you want to help our users, you
> can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages in
> Debian.
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 14:46 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from
> > wheezy/etc to jessie will give you systemd as init system and inform
>
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
> Does that work,
> anyway (i.e. does installing systemd and immediately
> reverting to sysvinit leave the system net unchanged,
> modulo the dependencies it pulls in (see plane
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
> > 2) In case you missed doing the above, you get a debconf prompt when
>
> No, no, no, no, no, no, no!
>
> Again: aborting the dist-upgrade in the debconf of one
&g
Hello,
Below is a proposal for a (partial) solution for the upgrade problem of
keeping the installed init system:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765803
This has been discussed privately among selected users/DM/DDs and since
the deadline for the ctte is December 4, it has to be
On Tue, 2014-11-25 at 19:50 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-25):
> > Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-25 18:31:33)
> > > I'm not sure why people seem to believe that broadcasting a call for
> > > tests through their blog, Planet Debian, various Debian mailing
> > > lists,
On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 15:36 +, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:19:10 +0100
> Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I wonder how old a package build can be to be part of the release.
> > Some packages are built up to a year ago, and rebui
Hello,
I wonder how old a package build can be to be part of the release. Some
packages are built up to a year ago, and rebuilding them now FTBFS. What
to do, file a bug or accept status quo?
Thanks!
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On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 13:37 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote:
> Le 13/11/2014 18:58, Ralf Jung a écrit :
> > How does having yet another NTP client shut off existing NTP clients?
> > How does having yet another way to configure your network shut off
> > existing alternatives?
>
> How does having yet an
Hi,
I have two questions about the GR voting going on (I'm not subscribed to
debian-vote, unfortunately, and somebody even wanted me to be
banned :( )
1) If a DD (the only persons able to vote?) change their mind, can they
do so before the deadline, or is their vote set in stone once issued?
2)
On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 00:07 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:30:25PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without systemd...
> > any chance i can speed it up?
>
> This is #767363 aka #754987 aka ~1
On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:46 +1100, Brian May wrote:
> On 14 November 2014 09:30, Svante Signell
> wrote:
> >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without
> systemd...
> any chance i can speed it up?
>
>
> Assuming that report i
On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:16 +1100, Brian May wrote:
> On 14 November 2014 04:20, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
> wrote:
>
> Which would suggest that udev might stop supporting the
> userspace-to-userspace netlink-based transport in the future. However,
> unless I am mistaken, I don't think this mean
On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 13:39 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Patrick Ouellette writes:
>
> > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right
> > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large
> > portion (or at least a vocal portion) don't want to.
>
> We
Hi,
I'm currently looking into packaging eudev, consolekit2, uselessd for
Debian. If doing so, is anybody interested in sponsoring uploads of
these packages? It would be great to know, before digging into the
details. If you wish, please reply to me privately.
Thanks!
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