Am 2005-12-12 17:36:15, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> Better yet, we should make WindowMaker the only window manager in
> Debian. Down with GNOME and KDE!
>
> Does it show that I am a WindowMaker fan? :-)
:-P
fvwm is better using it since Slink
As a Debian Consultant I have customized it for
Hi,
Josselin Mouette wrote:
[Permissions on device nodes]
Currently, there are two ways of handling this situation:
- The Debian way, where this is controlled by Unix groups, and where the
default user belongs to these groups. Your message seems to imply the
opposite, and I welcome you to inst
Eduardo Silva wrote:
As a lurker to debian-devel, I would like to point to
all a deficiency in the current KDE way of naming
menus, and hope that if Debian menu goes this way, it
should improve on it.
There is currently a discussion about improving Debian Menu at
debian-policy mailing list, b
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 10:23:54PM -0800, Eduardo Silva wrote:
> As a lurker to debian-devel, I would like to point to
> all a deficiency in the current KDE way of naming
> menus, and hope that if Debian menu goes this way, it
> should improve on it.
>
> The current way KDE names programs is:
> Ty
As a lurker to debian-devel, I would like to point to
all a deficiency in the current KDE way of naming
menus, and hope that if Debian menu goes this way, it
should improve on it.
The current way KDE names programs is:
Type of Program (Application name)
So, for amarok it's:
Audio Player (amarok)
Sune Vuorela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why try to make kde and gnome look the same?
Well I don't know about other people, but for me it's partly a reaction
to the "branding" Gnome and KDE already try to do. I personally run a
mostly gnome env because I like some of the apps, but I don't feel
On 2005-12-12, Linas Zvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A user should get the same visual feeling whether he chose GNOME or KDE
> for his desktop, whether he decided for KDM or GDM etc. This might sound
Why try to make kde and gnome look the same?
If it is a goal to make all Bob User desktops
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
so where can i have a look at this? could it please be put up
somewhere on the web?
The package is called wmaker. It is in Debian.
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Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
What are you talking about Debian Style?
Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers).
All those little things that would make a user say "Yep, that's Debian".
The desktop-base package was supposed to address exactly that problem,
but
Hi,
thanks for your comments.
Bill Allombert wrote:
> But there are another way: KDE and GNOME provide a non-Debian menu.
> However there are no clear definition about what should go in this menu.
> Maybe the policy could be to only put in this menu the applications
> relevant to "Bob User" and k
* Linas Zvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-15 00:02:01]:
> David Nusinow wrote:
>
> >>>What are you talking about Debian Style?
> >>
> >>Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers).
> >>All those little things that would make a user say "Yep, that's Debian".
> >
>
David Nusinow wrote:
What are you talking about Debian Style?
Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers).
All those little things that would make a user say "Yep, that's Debian".
Check out the windowmaker package. It has (or had as of a few years ago) a
beautifu
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 07:02:03PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> Bill Allombert wrote:
> >> ... generic menu entries ... SuSE ...
>
> > What is needed at this point is a draft policy defining what will be
> > the new layout and what will be the generic titles.
>
> KDE seems to use the GenericNa
Bill Allombert wrote:
>> ... generic menu entries ... SuSE ...
> What is needed at this point is a draft policy defining what will be
> the new layout and what will be the generic titles.
KDE seems to use the GenericName .desktop entry.
Probably a good starting point would be to cannibalize these
On Monday, 12 December 2005 22:26, Frans Pop wrote:
> - a proper discussion on wether to keep things as they are now, default to
> "the other" desktop (no, not that one ;-) or a solution where the user
> is actually offered a choice during the installation (which has always
> been my personal
Le lundi 12 décembre 2005 à 20:25 +0100, Simon Richter a écrit :
> > -default sound setup
>
> Sound is symptomatic of a much larger class of problems, namely that
> there is no system service that forwards resources other than display
> and keyboard to the user currently logged in. In Unix, the
Le lundi 12 décembre 2005 à 18:34 +0100, Christian Perrier a écrit :
> Yes, but they don't use tasksel...which is the one installing a
> "desktop" task.
First of all, there should be separated "KDE desktop" and "GNOME
desktop" tasks. Most users don't want both of them installed.
> Here, let's fac
* Moritz Muehlenhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-13 10:52]:
> This is beyond tasksel, but Bob User would profit immensely from generic
> menu entries. SuSE does this and I think it's very helpful. Most people
> don't care, which web browser they are using and if they're browsing
> through their a
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:08, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:28:28AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> > This is beyond tasksel, but Bob User would profit immensely from generic
> > menu entries. SuSE does this and I think it's very helpful. Most people
> > don't care, which web b
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:28:28AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> Christian Perrier wrote:
> > And, anyway, the KDE/Gnome thing is only one of the points I meant
> > about the "usability" of our default desktop system, when we target
> > our dear Bob User.
>
> This is beyond tasksel, but Bob U
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 10:28:28AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> Christian Perrier wrote:
>> And, anyway, the KDE/Gnome thing is only one of the points I meant
>> about the "usability" of our default desktop system, when we target
>> our dear Bob User.
> This is beyond tasksel, but Bob User
Christian Perrier wrote:
> And, anyway, the KDE/Gnome thing is only one of the points I meant
> about the "usability" of our default desktop system, when we target
> our dear Bob User.
This is beyond tasksel, but Bob User would profit immensely from generic
menu entries. SuSE does this and I think
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 12:03:57AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> * Joey Hess [Mon, Dec 12 2005, 03:53:02PM]:
>> This kind of disconnect between what an installed Debian system actually
>> does, what some developers think it does, and results like Debian
>> developers passing out Ubuntu CDs instead
Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Christian Perrier wrote:
> > (hey, this is why "desktop" installs the whole bloat of KDE *AND* Gnome ).
>
> It's possible that this statement is false, and that some change might
> have been made in this area under less than clear circumstances as a
> kind
#include
* Joey Hess [Mon, Dec 12 2005, 03:53:02PM]:
> This kind of disconnect between what an installed Debian system actually
> does, what some developers think it does, and results like Debian
> developers passing out Ubuntu CDs instead of contributing more fixes to
> Debian is intensely frust
David Nusinow wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 11:37:31PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
>
>>David Moreno Garza wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What are you talking about Debian Style?
>>
>>Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers).
>>All those little things that would make a user say
Em Seg, 2005-12-12 às 23:37 +0200, Linas Zvirblis escreveu:
> David Moreno Garza wrote:
>
> > What are you talking about Debian Style?
>
> Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers).
> All those little things that would make a user say "Yep, that's Debian".
The desk
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 11:37:31PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
> David Moreno Garza wrote:
>
> >What are you talking about Debian Style?
>
> Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers).
> All those little things that would make a user say "Yep, that's Debian".
Check
David Moreno Garza wrote:
What are you talking about Debian Style?
Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers).
All those little things that would make a user say "Yep, that's Debian".
A user should get the same visual feeling whether he chose GNOME or KDE
for h
On Monday 12 December 2005 21:25, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's possible that this statement is false, and that some change might
> have been made in this area under less than clear circumstances as a
> kind of experiment just to see how long it takes for someone to notice
> and what traspires if they do
On 20:25 Mon 12 Dec 2005, Simon Richter wrote:
> This is also related to the clash of the two approaches ("multiuser
> system with capable admin" versus "single-user personal system where all
> users need admin priviledge to associate to new APs as they roam with
> their laptop"). What we need i
On 21:01 Mon 12 Dec 2005, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
> Replying to Christian Perrier.
>
> I see what you mean. But who is going to create The Debian Style? Maybe
> a contest is needed?
What are you talking about Debian Style?
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Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:25:49PM +0100, Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> was heard to say:
> > >-default sound setup
> >
> > Sound is symptomatic of a much larger class of problems, namely that
> > there is no system service that forwards resources other than display
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:25:49PM +0100, Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
heard to say:
> >-default sound setup
>
> Sound is symptomatic of a much larger class of problems, namely that
> there is no system service that forwards resources other than display
> and keyboard to the user curre
Christian Perrier wrote:
> (hey, this is why "desktop" installs the whole bloat of KDE *AND* Gnome ).
It's possible that this statement is false, and that some change might
have been made in this area under less than clear circumstances as a
kind of experiment just to see how long it takes for so
Hi,
Christian Perrier wrote:
From the D-I team point of view: there are certainly tons of things to
improve in our default installs, especially when we exit the real
domain of D-I and enter the domain of general setup of a default
system.
The point is that this is not the a task for d-i. If a
Replying to Christian Perrier.
I see what you mean. But who is going to create The Debian Style? Maybe
a contest is needed?
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Quoting Linas Zvirblis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >Yeah, and let's draw from the work by the Ubuntu guys, rather than
> >doing it a different way!
>
> But doesn't Ubuntu use Debian installer?
Yes, but they don't use tasksel...which is the one installing a
"desktop" task.
>From the D-I team point of
Yeah, and let's draw from the work by the Ubuntu guys, rather than
doing it a different way!
But doesn't Ubuntu use Debian installer?
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also sprach Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.12.12.1405 +0100]:
> I don't understand why for Etch, if a user chooses "Desktop" during
> tasksel, they shouldn't get the just works[tm] experience.
Yeah, and let's draw from the work by the Ubuntu guys, rather than
doing it a different way!
>
(Dropping Josh and moving to -devel, as this is discussion is going
elsewhere)
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 01:59:05PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> However, some users just want a computer that works (the "plain
> users"). They don't want to have to learn too much about Linux or
> Debian, they just
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