Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Ondrej Certik writes: > >> why is the decision unfair? > > You'll have to ask Piotr (the one making the decision, and also the > one who chose that subject field), not me. Oops, sorry, my fault. You are right. Ondrej -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Adeodato Simó wrote: > 3. Git > == > > Git has shallow clones, created with the --depth option for git-clone. > This cut-offs the history of the project past a certain point, but the > result is lacking: mainly, you cannot push your changes back. (You can > do

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Ben Finney
Cyril Brulebois writes: > Piotr Ożarowski (03/03/2009): > > [Cyril Brulebois, 2009-03-03] > > > Piotr Ożarowski (02/03/2009): > > > > [Ben Finney, 2009-03-02] > > > > > Why does [removal of links created by ‘python-central’] not > > > > > happen automatically when the package is upgraded from a

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 12:39:48AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Piotr Ożarowski (03/03/2009): > > [Cyril Brulebois, 2009-03-03] > > > Piotr Ożarowski (02/03/2009): > > > > [Ben Finney, 2009-03-02] > > > > > Why does this not happen automatically when the package is upgraded > > > > > from a ve

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Ben Finney
Ondrej Certik writes: > why is the decision unfair? You'll have to ask Piotr (the one making the decision, and also the one who chose that subject field), not me. -- \ “Pity the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.” —Donald | `\ Rober

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Piotr Ożarowski (03/03/2009): > [Cyril Brulebois, 2009-03-03] > > Piotr Ożarowski (02/03/2009): > > > [Ben Finney, 2009-03-02] > > > > Why does this not happen automatically when the package is upgraded > > > > from a version that uses python-central? > > > > > > how can dh_pysupport know that x

Re: Piotrek's new preferred helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:17:52 +0100 Piotr Ożarowski napsal(a): > Since nobody is interested in having the tools binary compatible[1] > (and, to be honest, I cared about opinion of two guys only: Matthias > voted "no" by not agreeing to use /usr/lib/pyshared and Joss expressed > his disapproval

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Ondrej Certik, 2009-03-03] > why is the decision unfair? because *I* think it's unfair as both tools deserve to be the "chosen one" Ondrej: stop reading debian-devel, you see trolls everywhere already ;-P -- -=[ Piotr Ożarowski ]=- -=[ http://www.ozarowski.pl ]=- pgpaT3cZ1Nt8P.pgp De

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Cyril Brulebois, 2009-03-03] > Piotr Ożarowski (02/03/2009): > > [Ben Finney, 2009-03-02] > > > Why does this not happen automatically when the package is upgraded > > > from a version that uses python-central? > > > > how can dh_pysupport know that x versions ago this package was using > > pyth

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Ben, On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Piotr Ożarowski writes: > >> PS while converting [a package using python-central to use >> python-support], remember to add to preinst something like these 3 >> lines: >> >> | if [ "$1" = upgrade ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 1.2

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Piotr Ożarowski (02/03/2009): > [Ben Finney, 2009-03-02] > > Why does this not happen automatically when the package is upgraded > > from a version that uses python-central? > > how can dh_pysupport know that x versions ago this package was using > python-central? I suggest you check “6.6 Detail

Re: Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 05:30:57PM -0500, Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > > My rebuttal is that if git is technical superior to bazaar because bazaar > > has a mechanism to create repositories with only partial history, then > > bazaar is technically

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Piotr Ożarowski, 2009-03-02] > [Ben Finney, 2009-03-02] > > Piotr Ożarowski writes: > > > PS while converting [a package using python-central to use > > > python-support], remember to add to preinst something like these 3 > > > lines: > > > > > > | if [ "$1" = upgrade ] && dpkg --compare-version

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Ben Finney, 2009-03-02] > Piotr Ożarowski writes: > > PS while converting [a package using python-central to use > > python-support], remember to add to preinst something like these 3 > > lines: > > > > | if [ "$1" = upgrade ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 1.2.3-4; then > > | pycentral pk

Re: Piotrek's new preferred Python helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Ben Finney
Piotr Ożarowski writes: > PS while converting [a package using python-central to use > python-support], remember to add to preinst something like these 3 > lines: > > | if [ "$1" = upgrade ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 1.2.3-4; then > | pycentral pkgremove python-foo > | fi Why does

Re: Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Adeodato, On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Ondrej Certik [Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:07:25 -0500]: > >> >> I have never used stacked branches, but are you sure you can only >> >> branch the repository data related to a subset of the working tree >> >> only ? My understanding

Re: Piotrek's new preferred helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Piotr Ożarowski, 2009-02-18] >> [...] it's time however to decide which one will be my >> winner - I'll decide that in next weeks (maybe months, but it >> will happen sooner than later > > Since nobody is interested in having the tools bina

Re: Developer workflow and DVCS (was: Leaving DPMT?)

2009-03-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tristan Seligmann wrote: > * Ondrej Certik [2009-03-02 11:07:25 -0500]: > >> > If you don't want the project history, then you can use lightweight >> > checkouts, which are essentially equivalent to SVN checkouts (you get a >> > local working copy, but no local br

Re: Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Steve Langasek (02/03/2009): > My rebuttal is that if git is technical superior to bazaar because > bazaar has a mechanism to create repositories with only partial > history, then bazaar is technically superior to git because git has > rebasing as a first-class feature. Oh my HEAD, it hurts. Mra

Piotrek's new preferred helper tool - (unfair) decision

2009-03-02 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Piotr Ożarowski, 2009-02-18] > [...] it's time however to decide which one will be my > winner - I'll decide that in next weeks (maybe months, but it > will happen sooner than later Since nobody is interested in having the tools binary compatible[1] (and, to be honest, I cared about opinion of tw

Re: Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 12:47:45PM -0500, Guy Hulbert wrote: > On Mon, 2009-02-03 at 17:37 +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > As far as I know, Git doesn't have a mechanism to create full-fledged > > repositories with only part of the history, referencing other remote > > repositories for missing data

Re: Major update of python-support

2009-03-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Pendant le repas du lundi 02 mars 2009, vers 19:57, je disais: > Which can be shorten to: > ifeq (,$(findstring nocheck,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) > common-install-indep:: > PYTHONPATH='debian/$(cdbs_curpkg)/$(cdbs_python_support_path)/' \ > python tests/runner.py > endif Whi

Re: Major update of python-support

2009-03-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Pendant le repas du lundi 02 mars 2009, vers 19:44, je disais: > I use this snippet then (with cdbs): > ifeq (,$(findstring nocheck,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) > common-install-indep:: > PYTHONPATH='debian/$(cdbs_curpkg)/$(cdbs_python_support_path)/' \ > python tests/runner.py

Re: Major update of python-support

2009-03-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Vers la fin de l'après-midi du lundi 02 mars 2009, vers 16:21, Josselin Mouette disait : >> I ask this because I have many packages that use unittests after the >> build. I add /var/lib/python-support to PYTHONPATH and launch those >> tests. Because the path has changed, this d

Re: Major update of python-support

2009-03-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Vers la fin de l'après-midi du lundi 02 mars 2009, vers 16:21, Josselin Mouette disait : >> I ask this because I have many packages that use unittests after the >> build. I add /var/lib/python-support to PYTHONPATH and launch those >> tests. Because the path has changed, this d

Re: Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Guy Hulbert [Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:47:45 -0500]: > On Mon, 2009-02-03 at 17:37 +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > As far as I know, Git doesn't have a mechanism to create full-fledged > > repositories with only part of the history, referencing other remote > > repositories for missing data. With my G

Re: Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Mon, 2009-02-03 at 17:37 +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > As far as I know, Git doesn't have a mechanism to create full-fledged > repositories with only part of the history, referencing other remote > repositories for missing data. With my Git user hat on, this is clearly > a technically inferiorit

Bzr lightweight checkout, bzr shallow branches, and git

2009-03-02 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Ondrej Certik [Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:07:25 -0500]: > >> I have never used stacked branches, but are you sure you can only > >> branch the repository data related to a subset of the working tree > >> only ? My understanding is that bzr stacked branches are useful to > >> avoid downloading the whole

Re: Developer workflow and DVCS (was: Leaving DPMT?)

2009-03-02 Thread Tristan Seligmann
* Ondrej Certik [2009-03-02 11:07:25 -0500]: > > If you don't want the project history, then you can use lightweight > > checkouts, which are essentially equivalent to SVN checkouts (you get a > > local working copy, but no local branch or repository). > > Ah, so you basically only get the local

Re: Major update of python-support

2009-03-02 Thread Tristan Seligmann
* Josselin Mouette [2009-03-02 16:21:20 +0100]: > Le lundi 02 mars 2009 à 15:48 +0100, Vincent Bernat a écrit : > > I ask this because I have many packages that use unittests after the > > build. I add /var/lib/python-support to PYTHONPATH and launch those > > tests. Because the path has

Re: Developer workflow and DVCS (was: Leaving DPMT?)

2009-03-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Tristan Seligmann wrote: > * David Cournapeau [2009-02-28 20:22:46 +0900]: > >> I have never used stacked branches, but are you sure you can only >> branch the repository data related to a subset of the working tree >> only ? My understanding is that bzr stacked br

Re: Major update of python-support

2009-03-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 mars 2009 à 15:48 +0100, Vincent Bernat a écrit : > I ask this because I have many packages that use unittests after the > build. I add /var/lib/python-support to PYTHONPATH and launch those > tests. Because the path has changed, this does not work any more. > > You suggest to

Re: Major update of python-support

2009-03-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette matinée pluvieuse du lundi 23 février 2009, vers 10:12, Josselin Mouette disait : >> Do we need to upload a new version when there is a fix needed? In this >> case, I suppose we should use python-support in unstable instead of the >> one in experimental? > Yes, it is possible