On Sunday 28 March 2010 15:24:30 Celejar wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:59:39 -0300
>
> Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
> > exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so
> > aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4
>
> You're missing the point - I know that your aptitu
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:59:39 -0300
Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
> exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so
> aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4
You're missing the point - I know that your aptitude command will
*remove* exim4, bu
exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so
aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4
Rogerio
2010/3/28 Celejar
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> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:45:53 -0300
> Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
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> >
> > 2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho
>
> ...
>
> > >
On 2010-03-28 10:56 +0200, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:26:22AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> aptitude remove exim4 && aptitude install postfix
>
> should do it (if you want to install postfix).
> One MTA conflicts with the other and removes its packages.
Better use "aptitud
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:26:22AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
aptitude remove exim4 && aptitude install postfix
should do it (if you want to install postfix).
One MTA conflicts with the other and removes its packages.
You may, exceptionally, need to dpkg --purge the exim4 components
and there's no g
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:45:53 -0300
Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote:
>
> 2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho
...
> > I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for
> >
> > # aptitude install xdm
> >
> > ;)
> SORRY !!!
>
> It´s
>
> #aptitude install xmail ...
How will that
SORRY !!!
It´s
#aptitude install xmail ...
2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho
> Just do a
>
> 2010/3/3 Brian Ryans
>
> Quoting Carlos Williams on 2010-03-02 09:28:13:
>> > I thought I was purging the package, no?
>> >
>> > #apt-get remove --purge exim4
>
>
> I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything
Just do a
2010/3/3 Brian Ryans
> Quoting Carlos Williams on 2010-03-02 09:28:13:
> > I thought I was purging the package, no?
> >
> > #apt-get remove --purge exim4
I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for
# aptitude install xdm
;)
Rogerio
Quoting Carlos Williams on 2010-03-02 09:28:13:
> I thought I was purging the package, no?
>
> #apt-get remove --purge exim4
As implied by Boyd in a sibling post, the package 'exim4' is what's
termed a metapackage, a package whose only role is to pull in other
packages via Depends. The package man
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:54:51 -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim
That's not an exim file - it's part of vim-runtime package.
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/e
You could always reinstall choosing the most basic system, [...]
I believe the base system (not the standard system task) pulled by the d-i
currently installs exim as a Recommends dependency to cron. Only way would
be preseeds or plain debootstrap, I think.
-thib
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Carlos Williams writes:
> This purges a bunch more. I think thats the best I am going to get on
> Debian...until we have the choice to omit specific packages.
You do have that choice.
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On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> The command you ran was not apt-get --purge exim4 but (from your
> original post) apt-get remove --purge exim4. Is there any chance apt-get
> invoked remove and ignored purge?
I just got everything sorted out. If I run:
# apt-get remove --
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:54:51AM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> > Please elaborate. Which files are left?
> >
> > Sven
>
> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manag
On 2010-03-02 15:54 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:
> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
> either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
> user accounts and groups:
>
> r...@m
In , Carlos
Williams wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
> wrote:
>> It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the
>> difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by
>> the local administrator are preserved when upgradi
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> anyone know how I can complete
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 13:17:27 Carlos Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi wrote:
> > type
> > aptitude install nullmailer
> > in a root konsole. Press .
> > Lisi
>
> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:54:51 -0500 (EST), Carlos Williams wrote:
>
> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
> either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
> user accounts and gro
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
wrote:
> It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the
> difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by the
> local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal.
> Wh
In <4b8cc633.7090...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM:
>> In <4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
> orphaned files and junk.*
I'm not convinced
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> Please elaborate. Which files are left?
>
> Sven
If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't i
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2010-03-02 14:17 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:
>
>> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
>> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
>> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to inst
On 2010-03-02 14:17 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:
> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
> Exim but leaves tons of files and d
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi wrote:
> type
> aptitude install nullmailer
> in a root konsole. Press .
> Lisi
Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 00:32:10 Carlos Williams wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi wrote:
> >> I use nullmailer in these situations
> >
> > +1
> > Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
>
> I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install
> nullmailer'. Is this som
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM:
> In <4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
orphaned files and junk.*
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the
>>> installer
In <4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>> it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
>>> orphaned files and junk.*
>>
>> I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the
>> installer does things it could be accurate.
>
>Take this for what it's
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/1/2010 2:28 PM:
> Postfix works well in the Debian environment, or so I'm told.
Very well indeed. I've been using it for years and the only real problem
I've run into was the lack of a syslog socket in the chroot. That was fixed
with Lenny/2.5.5. I've no e
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Richard Hector wrote:
> It's just another (very simple) MTA. I don't see that installing that
> would do anything that installing Postfix doesn't. It's the usual
> suggestion for those who claim not to want an MTA at all.
>
> Richard
Oh I see. I just tested it and
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 19:32 -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi wrote:
> >> I use nullmailer in these situations
> >
> > +1
> > Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
>
> I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install
> nullmailer'. Is this s
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi wrote:
>> I use nullmailer in these situations
>
> +1
> Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install
nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst'
installation of Squeeze on
Carlos Williams wrote:
[...]
Sadly it leaves all this on my freshly installed system and who knows
what else locate didn't actually find:
It's most probably silly, but might an instance of exim still be running?
If you haven't rebooted and forgot to stop it before purging, maybe there's
some
On Monday 01 March 2010 16:06:59 Carlos Williams wrote:
> In Squeeze if you de-select 'every' task possible during the
> installer, you still get Exim installed because of Cron. It needs an
> MTA (Exim4).
>
> After my fresh new system is up and running, I can install Postfix
> (which I did) and it
On Monday 01 March 2010 20:01:36 Alex Samad wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> > I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> > some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> > appears that Cron is a default package
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:
> In Lenny (not sure if its changed as of Squeeze), its the "standard
> system" task that installs exim4. Don't install this task and install
> your preferred MTA after installation.
In Squeeze if you de-select 'every' task possible during t
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Carlos Williams wrote:
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> anyone know how I can completely omit t
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 14:59 -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim.
[...]
> I am trying to use Postfix
Yes. Perhaps we need a 'really expert' installation mode, where every
ti
On Monday 01 March 2010 13:59:23 Carlos Williams wrote:
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim.
Or any other mail-transport-daemon.
> Does
>
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 07:01:36AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > apt-get remove --purge exim4
> >
[snip]
>
> could this be because you have removed and not purged the package ?
I seemed to have missed the --purge a
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> anyone know how I can complete
I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
install? When I run:
apt-get remove --p
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