Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-23 Thread Rob Stradling
On 23/05/16 22:41, Richard Barnes wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Rob Stradling wrote: Why invent a new thing? Even if we make an old thing new, there's still the transition :) That's true, but it would be an easier transition. -- Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Sc

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-23 Thread Richard Barnes
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Rob Stradling wrote: > On 23/05/16 21:59, Richard Barnes wrote: > > >> They're starting from the viewpoint that using the EKU extension as >> a constraint mechanism is not compatible with RFC5280, but that >> clearly there's a need for an EKU constrai

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-23 Thread Rob Stradling
On 23/05/16 21:59, Richard Barnes wrote: They're starting from the viewpoint that using the EKU extension as a constraint mechanism is not compatible with RFC5280, but that clearly there's a need for an EKU constraint mechanism. I don't how on earth they expect to persuade Mozil

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-23 Thread Richard Barnes
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Rob Stradling wrote: > On 23/05/16 18:59, Kathleen Wilson wrote: > > >> It has been pointed out to me, that I should not have added the "or" >> without updating the next bullet point. >> >> So, here's what I changed it to: >> >> >> https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Sal

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-23 Thread Rob Stradling
On 23/05/16 18:59, Kathleen Wilson wrote: It has been pointed out to me, that I should not have added the "or" without updating the next bullet point. So, here's what I changed it to: https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:SalesforceCommunity#Which_intermediate_certificate_data_should_CAs_add_to_Salesfo

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-23 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 2:10:15 PM UTC-7, Kathleen Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 7:17:01 AM UTC-7, Rob Stradling wrote: > > The following intermediate certificate is not "technically constrained" > > according to the Policy. It contains id-kp-codeSigning, but does not > > "

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Rob Stradling
On 19/05/16 17:39, Kathleen Wilson wrote: My interpretation of the above regarding root certificates with only the Email trust bit enabled or intermediate certificates with only id-kp-emailProtection EKU is that in order to be technically constrained, the CA has to make sure (via technical an

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 5/19/16 9:02 AM, Ben Wilson wrote: What about when Microsoft starts to rely on the SalesForce > database? Won't they want more information, including code > signing and other information they might consider relevant? Possibly. That will be for Jody to decide. My approach to Salesforce so f

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 6:58:36 AM UTC-7, Rob Stradling wrote: > Specifically, what are the disclosure requirements for intermediates > that can only issue id-kp-emailProtection and/or id-kp-codeSigning > end-entity certs? Quotes form policy and supporting wiki page: ~~ https://www.mozilla.

RE: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Ben Wilson
icert@lists.mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Rob Stradling Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:54 AM To: Dimitris Zacharopoulos Cc: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained? On 19/05/16 15:23, Dimitris Zacharopoulos wrote: > On 19/5/2

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Rob Stradling
On 19/05/16 15:23, Dimitris Zacharopoulos wrote: On 19/5/2016 4:36 μμ, Rob Stradling wrote: On 18/05/16 17:23, Dimitris Zacharopoulos wrote: This intermediate seems technically constrained for SSL and S/MIME certificates, which are the only type of certs under the current Mozilla policy. Dimi

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Dimitris Zacharopoulos
On 19/5/2016 4:36 μμ, Rob Stradling wrote: On 18/05/16 17:23, Dimitris Zacharopoulos wrote: This intermediate seems technically constrained for SSL and S/MIME certificates, which are the only type of certs under the current Mozilla policy. Dimitris, are we looking at the same version of the M

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Rob Stradling
On 18/05/16 19:38, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 7:17:01 AM UTC-7, Rob Stradling wrote: However, then that page says... "Intermediate certificates are considered to be technically constrained, and do not need to be added to the CA Community in Salesforce if: - The interm

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-19 Thread Rob Stradling
On 18/05/16 17:23, Dimitris Zacharopoulos wrote: This intermediate seems technically constrained for SSL and S/MIME certificates, which are the only type of certs under the current Mozilla policy. Dimitris, are we looking at the same version of the Mozilla policy? I'm looking at this one: htt

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-18 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 7:17:01 AM UTC-7, Rob Stradling wrote: > The following intermediate certificate is not "technically constrained" > according to the Policy. It contains id-kp-codeSigning, but does not > "contain a directoryName permittedSubtrees constraint where each > permittedSub

Re: When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-18 Thread Dimitris Zacharopoulos
This intermediate seems technically constrained for SSL and S/MIME certificates, which are the only type of certs under the current Mozilla policy. Having extra nameConstraints for this particular intermediate, seems to be unnecessary, for the Mozilla root program. DZ. > On 18 Μαΐ 2016, at

When does Technically Constrained != Technically Constrained?

2016-05-18 Thread Rob Stradling
The following intermediate certificate is not "technically constrained" according to the Policy. It contains id-kp-codeSigning, but does not "contain a directoryName permittedSubtrees constraint where each permittedSubtree contains the organizationName, localityName (where relevant), stateOrPr