Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 07:45:13PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> You bring up a good point. It would be good if the developers used >> XO and Sugar. > [...] >> To get developers eating dog food with the XO you would need the >> following:

Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 07:45:13PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You bring up a good point. It would be good if the developers used > XO and Sugar. [...] > To get developers eating dog food with the XO you would need the > following: [...] > 2.) An IMAP client Activity and corresponding IM

Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 10:02:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > marco pesenti gritti wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > CCing the Sugar list. > > and adding devel. > > > > > > > It seems that one of the problems we will be encounteri

[Server-devel] physical security issue

2008-10-07 Thread Sameer Verma
As if discussions on this list aren't lively enough, here's another issue to look at. While I was in Jamaica, I met with several people who work with their school districts, and many pointed out that if a server was to stay physically resident at the school, it will need a lot of physical security

Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You bring up a good point. It would be good if the developers used XO and Sugar. We would see more progress in software efficiency amongst other things. I use Sugar most of the time as a G1G1 user when I am home and testing the latest bits. I do have Ubuntu on an SD card but rarely boo

Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-07 Thread pgf
marco pesenti gritti wrote: > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > CCing the Sugar list. and adding devel. > > > > It seems that one of the problems we will be encountering with generic > > spins is footprint. Even a standard Ubuntu without Sugar was s

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> Tagging isn't as much of an issue as being able to save files > to a USB key easily. I'm trying to think of why a kid would want to save files to a USB key. Normally, except for off-loading objects to a school repository (a process about which I know nothing), 'files' would be kept at the XO

Re: [sugar] Which pygame version is Sugar currently used?

2008-10-07 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> someone at university here is currently planning an activity and asked me >> which pygame version Sugar is currently using. >> >> Neither he nor I couldn't really find any i

Re: [sugar] Which pygame version is Sugar currently used?

2008-10-07 Thread Simon Schampijer
Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Hey all, > > someone at university here is currently planning an activity and asked me > which pygame version Sugar is currently using. > > Neither he nor I couldn't really find any information on it on [[Pygame]] or > [[Software components]] or the more recent archi

Re: [Server-devel] [ejabberd] Memory use with SSL connections

2008-10-07 Thread Douglas Bagnall
This thread on the ejabberd list has detached itself from server-devel, so for the record I'll point to a couple of interesting messages: In http://lists.jabber.ru/pipermail/ejabberd/2008-October/004316.html, Evgeniy Khramtsov of ProcessOne writes: > Douglas Bagnall wrote: > >> Does ejabberd use

Which pygame version is Sugar currently used?

2008-10-07 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Hey all, someone at university here is currently planning an activity and asked me which pygame version Sugar is currently using. Neither he nor I couldn't really find any information on it on [[Pygame]] or [[Software components]] or the more recent archives... Any pointers and help are apprecia

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> Fully qualified names (file names) are simple. They are misused to the > extent that users give things strange or confusing names. But, the > names are qualified and the users can encounter their work simply by > remembering most components of the name. The concept is > straightforward: given

Re: [sugar] Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

2008-10-07 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
is there anything like a poster/flyer in high resolution PDF? p. Samuel Klein wrote: > This year's G1G1 program will start November 17 in the US. Please > help us spread the word. Below is a short email blurb about this > year's program ( from [[G1G1 2008/text]] ). We are coordinating some > c

Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

2008-10-07 Thread Samuel Klein
This year's G1G1 program will start November 17 in the US. Please help us spread the word. Below is a short email blurb about this year's program ( from [[G1G1 2008/text]] ). We are coordinating some community art and outreach on the grassroots list as well (http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/gras

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:59:23PM -0700, John Gilmore wrote: > > > (This knowledge > > > is becoming quite common in at least one of our deployments. Just > > > yesterday a kid from Uruguay came into #olpc-ayuda to ask exactly how to > > > do this. And this morning a user spontaneously wrote rm

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread John Gilmore
> Don't know where you have read that. The Journal is intended to give a > better way to deal with the results of the interaction with the > machine than a folders-based system inspired on office workers. Please quit making the kids the guinea-pig for somebody's untested pet theories about how to

Acoustic Measure problems

2008-10-07 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 elana langer wrote: | a) In response to the question about the Mesh - there are a whole | bunch of issues that come up. -- to use acoustic measure only two | computers can be on at a time so it makes the tool almost impossible | to use in a class or

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread elana langer
Hey Gang - Please excuse my absence from this discussion - I think it's really cool how passionate you all are about what you are building. It's really obvious that you all care about what you are doing - I know your work will inspire a generation of kids in developing countries to be this excite

New joyride build 2512

2008-10-07 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2512 Changes in build 2512 from build: 2511 Size delta: 0.00M -hulahop 0.4.6-2.olpc3 +hulahop 0.4.6-4.olpc3 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See h

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:20:04AM -0400, elana langer wrote: >> Hey Tech Community- >> >> I just wanted to give y'all some feedback from my experience in >> Mongolia. Feel free to contact me with any questions. Please excus

Easy USB Install Sugar + g1g1 activities

2008-10-07 Thread Bastien
I've updated my page: http://lumiere.ens.fr/~guerry/olpc_install_sugar_activities_usb.php This now uses joyride-2511 and 767. The G1G1 activities are those listed on this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 The script I run to build the zip files uses this directory for G1G1 activit

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:14:13PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep

Volunteer Infrastructure Group meeting today, irc.oftc.net:#olpc-admin October 7, 2008 5:15 pm EDT -04:00 UCT

2008-10-07 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
Volunteer Infrastructure Group meeting today, irc.oftc.net:#olpc-admin October 7, 2008 5:15 pm EDT -04:00 UCT Agenda Need secretary Wiki and website scalability/mirroring -- deployments + G1G1 are coming! download.l.o scalability/mirroring Google, archive.org others? Lfaraone committee on sing

New joyride build 2511

2008-10-07 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2511 Changes in build 2511 from build: 2509 Size delta: 0.00M -gdb 6.8-21.fc9 +gdb 6.8-22.fc9 -hulahop 0.4.6-1.olpc3 +hulahop 0.4.6-2.olpc3 -xulrunner 1.9.0.2-1.olpc3 +xulrunner 1.9.0.2-2.olpc3 +xulrunner-python 1.9.0.2-2.olpc3 -xulrunne

Latest stable release?

2008-10-07 Thread Seth Woodworth
Hey everybody, I was looking at the [[Upgrading Firmware]] page today and I noticed that it was listing 711 as the latest stable release. It's transcluding the value: {{Latest_Releases/stable}}. The last editor was Cscott and before that Greg Smith. This is a really minor thing to update, is it

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:05:41PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > How are we going to rectify the general slowness of our user interface? >

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Bastien
"Marco Pesenti Gritti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In my mind the fundamental problem is that users aren't required to >> fully qualify names for their work. Doing so seems to lie outside of >> one of the core points of

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my mind the fundamental problem is that users aren't required to > fully qualify names for their work. Doing so seems to lie outside of > one of the core points of Sugar's design ("There are no files, folders, > or appli

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:05:41PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How are we going to rectify the general slowness of our user interface? > > It may not be enough to work on the performance problem from within the >

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: > >> Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizos

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How are we going to rectify the general slowness of our user interface? > It may not be enough to work on the performance problem from within the > existing framework. How will we know if this is the case? We will spend mo

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am concerned that focusing on such systems is breaking simple use > cases and causing problems for users in the field. I believe that this > functionality is important, but do not agree that it should comprise the > base

I: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Carlo Falciola
Hi Eben, I had in mind the first case, in the sense that's definitely an entry/exit point of contents into/from the Sugar ecosystem. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I start to see those in/out interaction mainly at a formal transformation between two different spaces: the Journal

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 10:49:25AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mikus wrote: > > > - First off, every Activity has a 'Name Field' in its top menu. > > > When running any Activity, the user should enter there a short > > > "Title"

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Carlo Falciola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's add Upload/Download from a website, too. Let's hash that point out a bit further, because I can see it in two ways. The primary discriminator is whether by "a website" you mean "any website" or "a particular websit

Re: 5 sec boot

2008-10-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Some comments: - some people have made arguments assuming that "IO time" is separable from "CPU time". In the current hardware, we need to busy wait for IO in Linux (long story, ask dwmw2, basically the delay required by the hardware is short enough that it slows down IO by tenfold if we have to

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Here we come against "initial expectations". > >> The whole concept of Sugar is that the user doesn't need to >> explicitly "save files". They are automatically kept in the Sugar >> datastore, and are accessed through the J

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mikus wrote: > > - First off, every Activity has a 'Name Field' in its top menu. > > When running any Activity, the user should enter there a short > > "Title" to identify the resulting Journal entry from all others. > > > > -

Re: [Server-devel] DanGuardian and XS Plans

2008-10-07 Thread John Watlington
On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:06 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:17 AM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>In existing deployments (not trials) content filtering >> is being done upstream in the internet connection. > > Interesting! I didn't know that - > >> Content

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Walter Bender
and maybe a fourth: uploading/downloading files from the web. -walter On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Gary Oberbrunner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 10:20:48AM -0400, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROT

notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Carlo Falciola
Let's add Upload/Download from a website, too. Carlo Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison wrote: ... >> 3) "How do I share files to/from

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Gary Oberbrunner
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... >> 3) "How do I share files to/from an XO?" "I just di

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-10-07 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:13 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On September 8th, Michael Stone wrote: >>> Kim, Greg, and I have concluded that the instability we experience under >>> memory-pressure in 8.2-759 and sim

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:14:13PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > When I w

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> Read has serious memory problems because renders whole pages >> into memory, regardless of what is the viewed area. Any chance the >> first pages of the PDF you opened contained big images? > > Nope, it's

Re: Joyride and 9.1 development

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > is joyride open for 9.1 development now? Also, should we start work on rebasing on F10? Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lis

Joyride and 9.1 development

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, is joyride open for 9.1 development now? Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > When I was in Uruguay more teachers asked me about issues with the >> > Journa

Re: Major power concern

2008-10-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 09:56:10AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > /usr/share/sugar/shell/view/devices/battery.py > > > >#TODO: make this less of an wild/educated guess > >minutes_remai

Re: How to Clean Install Release 8.2.0 (Build 767)

2008-10-07 Thread John Gilmore
Does anyone see any inconsistency between these statements? > Sugar reinvents how computers can be used for education. ... > Everything is saved automatically. > Our goal is to make it almost impossible to lose any data. and > 1. YOU WILL LOSE ALL YOUR FILES. Back up personal files that

Re: Major power concern

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /usr/share/sugar/shell/view/devices/battery.py > >#TODO: make this less of an wild/educated guess >minutes_remaining = int(current_level / 0.59) >remaining_hourpart = minutes_r