Please test update.1 rc2.

2008-02-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Signed builds for update.1 rc2 (build 691) are now available at: http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/691/jffs2/ You can also 'olpc-update candidate-691', which will get the signed build. Release notes at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Group_Release_Notes#Build_691_Q2D13_.28RC2.29

Re: status of startup speedup

2008-02-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
These changes seem appropriate for the 'faster' build (see next message on devel@). --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: developer key site failing

2008-02-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Feb 11, 2008 10:11 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6377 I added code for this exact case this morning after seeing the failure in the logs. (Django emails you whenever it fails with a server error.) Future attempts will state clearly that the problem i

Re: New update.1 build 691

2008-02-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/2/8 Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We hope to have the final release candidate by the end of next week -- so I > think that means we only want one more build. The number of items still open (but approved) for the next rc candidate is sufficiently large that I think we should plan for at lea

Uruguay deployment scripts.

2008-02-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
For the archives and those interested, the scripts Uruguay used for their deployment are in git at: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/ceibal-scripts;a=tree I hope to actually get a complete build image at some point. (Thanks for cjb for pointing these out to me.) --scott --

Autoinstallation/customization functionality.

2008-02-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Here's a brain dump of functionality for deployments (like, perhaps, Peru) which would like to customize their builds on a large scale. I'm assuming that the cheapest way to do this in the extremely short term is by inserting a USB key into each machine and have some things happen: a) autoinstall

Re: developer key site failing

2008-02-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Feb 11, 2008 11:16 PM, Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:04 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > I emailed Ivan this morning to try to get a > > recent Quanta dump so that I can sort this out. > > I don't have that e-mail. I have a qu

Re: free usb8388.bin

2008-02-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > doesn't work. Heck, it won't send/receive packets and it knows nothing > of this "USB" thing. However, we have a blinkenlight. Ship it! > > BTW, what is killing my blinkenlight? I realize that it wouldn't do > to hang

Re: bar code scanners on the XO

2008-02-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone used a USB bar code scanner on the XO? Any recommendations > as to a model we could use for an inventory project? Any barcode scanner which advertises itself as an USB HID device (read, keyboard) would work fin

Re: tonight's progress

2008-02-16 Thread C. Scott Ananian
the firefox / whatwg already have a fleshed out model for how 'offline' mode should work for a web browser, including local document storage, etc. have you looked at that (before we invent our own ways to write web apps)? --scott On 2/16/08, Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moving this

A modest proposal.

2008-02-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I propose installing a handler for a new URI type in our browse application. The links will look like: friend:name.xxx.school.country.xs.laptop.org where: name is a Punycode encoding of the XO nickname. Technically, the IDN ToASCII mapping operation is performed on the nickname, truncated on

Re: A modest proposal.

2008-02-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Feb 19, 2008 5:47 PM, Robert McQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A similar, but more standards-compliant[1][2] proposal might look more like: > xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The key part of my original proposal is that it also works in the (possibly temporary) absence of a school school or of networ

Re: A modest proposal.

2008-02-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Feb 19, 2008 7:57 PM, Robert McQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Currently we use the buddy key as this unifying key, but I very much > like the idea of providing extra information to open up the prospect of > communicating between schools, and a

Buddy list URI proposal, revised slightly.

2008-02-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Rather than invent a new 'friend' URI scheme, an alternative is to use the standard XMPP scheme: xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED];name=Full%20Name (see http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0147.html ) (Thanks, Robert McQueen.) The xmpp server on the laptop responds to roster and chat requests at that addre

Re: Buddy list URI proposal, revised slightly.

2008-02-20 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:45 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rather than invent a new 'friend' URI scheme, an alternative is to use > the standard XMPP scheme: > xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED];name=Full%20Name > (see http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-

Re: Avahi optimisations

2008-02-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: > >>* Minimize size of announced services (i.e. drop unnecessary data from > TXT) > >> - The biggest item in the TXT of contacts is the key (which is BIG). > But > >>this key is

Re: RPM package for cerebro test

2008-02-27 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/images/Cerebro-24-1.olpc2.noarch.rpm Could you describe this a little better? What is this intended to do? Just provide the Space activity, or replace our existing presence

Re: Today's mesh testing.

2008-03-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > broadcast, and they were all able to see and join a shared chat session > with each other. The workload on the spectrum analyzer increased from > 18% (no-one connected) to 26% (all connected). The chat session is > consis

Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions

2008-03-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/3/3 Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I now see that this was never given a ticket, but has been hidden in the HIG > since the early days. I've opened ticket #6634 on the subject, generalizing > it as a way for content providers to tag any bundle as appropriate. While we're talking about me

Re: New update.1 build 696

2008-03-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build696 > Changes in build 696 from build: 695 > -sugar-presence-service 0.75.2-1.olpc2 > +sugar-presence-service 0.75.1-1.olpc2 Don't we need the school-se

Re: Issue of Signing Custom Builds

2008-03-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that you guys are super crushed w/ Peru's deployment. We really > need cryptographically signed custom XO images for Nepal. Please see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Customization_key which is our supported mechanism for

Re: Issue of Signing Custom Builds

2008-03-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 5, 2008, at 14:51 , C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > Please see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Customization_key which is our > > supported mechanism for customizing your build. You/we need to fig

Re: New update.1 build 696

2008-03-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many pieces dropped from this build, maybe because of > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6598 > Could you explain more rationale behind these change? We have a new customization mechanism: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Customiz

Re: New update.1 build 696

2008-03-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, the etoys RPM is different from the Etoys activity. It is in the > base build and cannot be removed, because Squeak is one of the > supported languages of the XO platform (see http://laptop.org/en/ > laptop/softwa

Re: New update.1 build 696

2008-03-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Guillaume Desmottes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 05 mars 2008 à 09:28 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit : > > C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:

Re: New update.1 build 696

2008-03-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 5, 2008, at 16:08 , C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > Yes, at the moment we are still installing necessary RPMs for all of > > the supported activities. At some point, not soon, we might

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Was not aware of the implications of "the official builds from now > on will contain only _base_ Activities" (discussed in Ticket #6598), > until I saw a recent post to the Sugar list. > > I happen to be a heavy CLI us

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This whole discussion has gone awry. The presumed "core" activities > had better be about streamlining the build engineering process, not > the epistemological goals of the project. We cannot ship laptops with[out] > lear

State of the update.1

2008-03-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Just to check my understanding, and make sure everyone's on the same page: Our current update.1 build is 697 It currently has fixes for: * trac #6580 (reconfig network on lid open) * trac #6579 (remove workstation record from mdns) * Mesh multicast ttl=1 (dwmw kernel patch) The followin

Re: State of the update.1

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 6, 2008, at 23:53 , C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > It seems that, with concerted effort, we could have a reasonable > > update.1 build in a short period of time. > > I would not dare to c

Re: Cerebro performance

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Guillaume Desmottes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le vendredi 07 mars 2008 à 02:29 -0500, Michael Stone a écrit : > > > RPMS and better developer documentation will probably appear tomorrow, > > as soon as Polychronis and I manage to cut a release. > > > > As for

Re: New update.1 build 697

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Jean Piche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mmm... After a couple of flags raised and an approval from Jim from a > couple of weeks ago (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6521), the old > TamTam versions are still being used in the builds. Probably just an oversight. I d

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Terminal, Log Viewer, and Analyze are not included in the core build, > > but they *are* included in the core *library*. That is, you can > > always install them, even though they may not show up by default in > > th

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
NACK. Blatantly insecure. Classic privilege-escalation attack. Why is this being proposed, Michael? I'd expect you to know better. --scott On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:23 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- > olpc-configure | 16 > 1 files changed, 16 insertio

Re: Installing RPMS via Customization Key

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is difficult to comment on this without more detail on "USB > customization keys". My understanding was that such customization would > be done once at the level of whole countries, that it would be restricted

Re: User's customizations

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Regarding what is in the build "core", Scott said > > The "core" activities are just those which we insist all countries > > include on the left hand side of the (current) activity bar. > > Then there are those individ

Re: show me the code

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> AFAIK the only activities supporting the view-source key currently >> are Chat (which opens its source code in Pippy), Browse (showing the >> HTML source code) and Etoys (showing a menu giving access to code >

Re: State of the update.1

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is called an "update". Anyone who updates to a current update.1 > build loses those activities. As far as I am aware there has been no > official announcement exactly how to get back the missing activities. http:/

Re: Installing RPMS via Customization Key

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | It is specifically design to allow countries (or schools) to create > | customied builds *without* requiring OLPC to sign or approve their > | changes. > > Right. I thought the solution was that each country w

Re: State of the update.1

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I indeed participated in this thread, but I found "When update.1 is > released, we'll provide an 'activity pack' for G1G1 folks" to not be > exactly satisfactory. And I'd imagine the support crew is looking > forward

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 10:11:06AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > Why is this being proposed, Michael? > > I believe that, when used judiciously, it adds valuable flexibility to > the custom

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 12:04:29PM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > I asked for specific use cases. > a) Walter and the teachers he's training, who would like an easy way > to instal

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-03-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 10:11:06AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > Classic privilege-escalation attack. > > /, /home, and /home/olpc, are only writable by uids 0 and 500. Both uids > 0 and 5

Re: State of the update.1

2008-03-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Arjun Sarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * trac #6159: devangari keyboard broken > > * trac #6436/6437: measure broken > Fixed, tested and now closed. Just to be clear: fixed in *joyride* or tested and confirmed fixed in 697? --scott --

Re: Opening Browse programatically

2008-03-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Joshua Minor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I made an activity wrapper for the interactive fiction interpreter > Frotz. I want to have a button in the toolbar called "Get More Games" > that opens a web page where you can download z-machine files. > > It looks like

Re: drawing, structured graphics

2008-03-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Victor Lazzarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what would be the best bet for going about implementing > structured graphics a-la Tkinter's canvas class in XO > activities? Would it be PyCairo? or PyGTK (gtk/gdk)? > > also could anyone point to a PyGTK custom wi

Re: Update.1

2008-03-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Summaries by Bert and Korakurider sound right to me. I believe that I've posted these explanations previously on devel@, but it is true that I ha

Re: Update.1

2008-03-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Paul Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > to avoid a re-install (if that's desirable -- it might not be, i > suppose) can activities simply be moved manually from /usr/share > to /home before the upgrade? i.e., assuming the activity was > properly written, will any

Re: Update.1 build status

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > #6299 still needs actual testing with a schoolserver. > sugar-presence-service-0.75.2-1.olpc2 was in a build - 695 - and was > then untagged. It's been in joyride since 1701. > > We still

Re: ex-preinstalled and now unsupported activities (Re: Update.1)

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ex-preinstalled activities are now called "unsupported activities" :-< Where does it say that? I believe the current plan is that the "preinstalled" activities are now called "supported" activities, and the build we test h

Re: ex-preinstalled and now unsupported activities (Re: Update.1)

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 12, 2008, at 17:35 , C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> Ex-preinstalled activities are now called "unsupported > >> activities" :-< > > Where does it say that? >

Today's state of the update.1 (amended)

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Current build: update.1-698. Fixed: #6310 (salut crasher) #6309 (salut crasher) #5268, 6079 (fixed long ago) #6633 (haitian, fr, and it keyboards) Still open and important: #6671 (activity ordering in /home, in joyride) #6299 (salut backoff when gabble running; needs to be retested

Re: 698 - 'su' does not pick up customized environmental variables

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to set some environmental variables (e.g., http_proxy) > because I have a wired connection which goes through a proxy. > > It used to be that issuing 'su' put me into root, but kept the > environmental variables

Re: Why is Terminal 'extra' ?

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Installed 698 (using 'olpc-update' from Joyride). There was __no__ > Terminal activity anywhere (that I could find) in the newly > installed 698 image. Yes, sorry, things have slightly fallen through the cracks. The

Re: New update.1 build 699

2008-03-12 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -Web 86 > > I think we need to leave Web in, to bootstrap installing other > activities via the network. Web doesn't needs to be an exception. You can install activities from a customization key or from the console w

Re: olpc-update, update.1, and activities

2008-03-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:51 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The removal of activities seems to be happening under the assumption > that people will use a USB memory stick to upgrade their laptops. Was > it only a few months ago that I was told, "Skip the USB install notes, > all

Re: olpc-update, update.1, and activities

2008-03-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 15:59 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > Upgrade via > > olpc-update will work fine, but you'll have to use the customization > > key (without the four-button

Today's state of the update.1 (Friday 14 March; update.1-699/700)

2008-03-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Build to test: update.1-699 Two bugs listed below are already fixed in update.1-700. Fixed: #6671 (activity ordering in /home) #5933 (change default jabber server to update1.jabber.laptop.org) #6405 (can't add photo to write) #2064 (activities should live in /home/olpc/Activities) #668

Re: Problems with build 699, .i18n locale, and customization key

2008-03-13 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 14, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > > I have two problems related to the customization key and build 699. > > 1. Reflashing w/ customization key and os699 will wipe out .i18n I've added http://dev.lapt

Google is now IPv6-reachable --- almost.

2008-03-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
It's a step in the right direction, at least: http://ipv6.google.com They really need to install records for google.com, but we're getting there. Maybe someday we'll actually have IPv6 routability between all XOs. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ )

Re: New joyride build 1774

2008-03-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Gary Oberbrunner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Build Announcer v2 wrote: > > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1774 > > All the recent activity threads have me confused, and now I'm scared to > update lest I lose all my activities. I'm on

Re: permanently changing keyboard layout for forth

2008-03-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
The /home/olpc/.i18n file should provide a lighter-weight mechanism to accomplish what you want; perhaps Michael or Bernie could elaborate? I'm not certain of the details myself. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.lap

Re: State of Update.1 on the night of Mar. 18, 2008

2008-03-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
>From today's software status meeting: #6483: read sharing broken. Currently considered critical. #4153: dhcp failing when connecting to school server #5848: network manager failure. Recent, and demoted to "important but not ready": #6575/6707: chat can't send #6716: record can't share audio

Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
As we draw the update.1 process to a close, we need to start thinking about where we want to go with Update.2 and beyond. There are lots of great ideas, both here at 1cc and in the community, about our architecture and UI. It's hard to compare ideas when they live in the heads of small groups of

Mini-Conference Proposal: olpcfs

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
One major frustration with the existing datastore implementation is that is unfriendly to legacy applications: you can't easily use the command-line to browse through it, and you can't save a file from an unmodified linux application into the journal. I propose a filesystem design, called olpcfs f

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mitch Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that Update.2 should be about 3 things: > 3) Performance > 2) Performance > 1) Performance Mechanisms to achieve those performance goals are worthy candidates for a talk! --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) _

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is still the plan for Update.2 to be about the most urgent needs from > the deployments? Perhaps I wrote the call for papers too narrowly. Certainly every stable release will continue to include fixes for pressing deploy

Re: Mini-Conference Proposal: olpcfs

2008-03-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Do you think that the POSIX API is very much tied to the underlying > implementation or should be discussed separately? I have at least three different implementation ideas. I plan to use FUSE for the "crappy first dr

Mini-conference on Apr 3/4!

2008-03-28 Thread C. Scott Ananian
We've gotten 9 proposals for our mini-conference, and I know of two and a half more which haven't yet hit devel@ (Walter/Kim, Michael, and Martin, on "build process", Bitfrost, and school servers). Since most of the participants are local, we'll be having our conference at the OLPC offices at 1 Ca

Re: Mini-Conference Proposal: Frameworks for Collaboration

2008-03-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We will have an open discussion of how to build a framework that will ease > the > creation of reliable collaborative activities. I will also outline a > proposal > for "Collisionless", a particular message-bas

Re: Mini-Conference Proposal: Frameworks for Collaboration

2008-03-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is a very interesting perspective. I will definitely think hard > about that and try to come up with a sensible comparison. > > Offhand, I think the Collisionless idea is like a design where each > person's

quick mini-conference update.

2008-04-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Hey, folks. I've been sick for the past two days, so I apologize for not doing as much mini-conference planning as I might have. We're still on for tomorrow and Friday, at 1cc, although our mini-conference might be somewhat scaled down from its original proposal -- I certainly won't be able to do

Re: [Testing] New OLPC Process and Rules for Builing Activities, Releases, and Firmware Builds

2008-04-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Charles Merriam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > New OLPC Process and Rules for Building Activities, Releases, and > Firmware Builds > > I. Introduction > > It's an exciting time at the OLPC Foundation! In the next few weeks > we will be releasing Update 1 and hold

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Toolbars & Tabs (or lack thereof)

2008-04-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eben Eliason writes: > > 1. Toolbar buttons use icons instead of text as an identifier. Beyond Just to throw another dog into this fight, I've recently been very concerned with making legacy applications "work as well

Re: Mini-Conference Proposal: olpcfs

2008-04-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Delta-based storage is an implementation detail, certainly possible (I > > provided cites in the olpcfs pa

Mini-conference schedule

2008-04-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
;New Activity management design" 4:30pm - Eben Eliason, "Automatic transfer/update of activities" 5:00pm - unowned, "State of i18n" (Edward Cherlin made original proposal; I'll summarize if no one volunteers) Friday (April 4): 12:30pm: C. Scott Ananian, "olpcfs&q

Re: Mini-conference schedule

2008-04-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On undefined, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will join in for Friday afternoon over the phone., and will send an > outline of my XS notes beforehand. Will we use the conferencing rig? I assume so; I'm checking with Kim; will send email. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) _

Phone-in # for mini-conference; video & chat info, too.

2008-04-02 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Phone-in info: > From the United States > 866-213-2185 > From Outside the United States > 1-609-454-9914 > accesscode: 8069698 I'll try to keep this open during all the talks. We may have to mute the speaker on our end if there's too much background noise. We'll also be on #olp

Re: quick mini-conference update.

2008-04-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Jon Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can't attend...good to get on the plan for the more planned one at end > of may...probably best if led from the paid OLPC staff side, right? No, it's actually best if we get significant community help planning events like

Re: Mini-conference schedule

2008-04-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
No changes have been needed to the schedule (yet). I've posted it on the wiki at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mini-conference Remember, the call-in number is: > From the United States > 866-213-2185 > From Outside the United States > 1-609-454-9914 > accesscode: 8069698 and there

Re: [sugar] Mini-Conference Proposal: Automatic transfer/update of activities on the mesh

2008-04-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/4/3 Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1. for "version threading", what we need for an activity is not a claim like > "I am a version of activity ID " but "My prior version was XXX and the > one before that was YYY". What is the granularity of XXX and YYY? I'd say, a > hash on the

Re: [Testing] New OLPC Process and Rules for Builing Activities, Releases, and Firmware Builds

2008-04-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/4/4 Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > present it yourself via the dialin number, that would be ideal; otherwise > someone else will present for you (though perhaps not as passionately) and You haven't been sitting quite close enough to my corner of the office if you still think that I won't

Mini-conference followup

2008-04-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Hi, everyone! Thanks to everyone who participated in the mini-conference last Thurs/Fri. If you presented slides or an outline, please upload them to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mini-conference so that we can collect all the information presented there. (Some of you have already done this!) I've

Re: "Chilling Effects" paper at USENIX UPSEC

2008-04-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:08 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >4. It is unfortunate that a respected conference did not do a > > better job at vetting this paper. I don't know who wrote the response that you are replying to, John, but I for one welcome both the paper and broader

Re: lease.sig file format oddities...

2008-04-11 Thread C. Scott Ananian
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Firmware_Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Firmware_Key_and_Signature_Formats http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contents_manifest_specification http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Canonical_JSON http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/leases http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/olpc-c

Re: Severe new bug in firmware Q2D13?

2008-04-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I am in Brazil at the moment, without good access to email. But since this seems to be a firmware problem, Mitch Bradley is the right person to help you, at this stage at least. Please check the batteries as Mitch suggests (photos might be helpful for us to see what's going on) and let us know wh

Re: freezing DCON for insecure boot

2008-04-18 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Italy also asked us for a build with better Italian support. > They know how to work with Pootle, and they actually have > already done most of the work. But this work will certainly > not make it for Update.1, and

Re: Internet wide chat

2008-04-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - They asked if video chat is possible. I recall someone was >> working on it months ago. What is the current status? > > We need two things: a codec that we can encode and decode in real-time > (the demo from

Re: cleaning up machine-specific security settings - what can I delete in /security/state?

2008-04-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Please customize the pre-boot image, thanks. That will spare you these problems. --scott On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael, > > I am customizing build 703 w/ a custom set of activities, rpms, and > other settings. > > > Currently, I am deleting

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The laptops are even more wonderful with a child-friendly UI, loads of fun > activities, and a non-proprietary software stack. But in the steady > state, the > web is the high-order bit, sufficient to qualify as educat

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23.04.2008 03:09, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > In theory, mesh networking is a feature of the wireless firmware and > should work fine regardless of operating system choice. In practice, this is

Re: Onward

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23.04.2008, at 03:38, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > I think the rest of us should go talk to Mark Shuttleworth. And Mary > > Lou, of course. > > And Walter. And Ivan. And Andres. > > And the many developers, and desig

Attention Pilot programs: upgrade your B2s!

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Pilot programs with B2s and earlier should apply to have them upgraded to B4s or C2s (G1G1 machines) in order that you can continue to use the latest software releases. Our developer and pilot processes have been somewhat stalled for a while, but I've been told that they've been recently unjammed

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For this reason, Sugar needs a wider basis, to run on more Linux platforms > and to run under Windows. We have been engaged in discussions with Microsoft > for several months, to explore a dual boot version of the X

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 01:29 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote: > You have been saying variations of this for a while now, but: > * OLPC has not hired any Windows developers > * OLPC has not adjusted its timeline to allow for time necessar

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Jonathan Corbet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Second, regarding Microsoft, I agree that if it is to be an open > > platform, it should be open to everyone, including Microsoft. That > > said, it is somewhat revisionis

A technical assessment of porting "Sugar" to Windows.

2008-04-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
This document will give a technical overview of the challenges facing any "Sugar on Windows" project. Mary Lou Jepson of OLPC was proud of the fact that the XO did "seven new things" when most hardware projects try to limit themselves to only one "new thing" per product. I will outline the "new th

Mini-conference talks all on-line! (Finally!)

2008-04-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'm finally done encoding the talks from the OLPC "mini-conference" at the beginning of the month: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Apr_3-4_Mini-conference If you really want to see inside OLPC and find out who's doing the work, what they're working on, and what the hard problems are, there is (as f

Re: Auto backlight management?

2008-04-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
>> On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: >>> Opportunistic use of the on-board camera and the time-of-day clock >>> could yield such heuristics. Just for reference, in my mind the best mechanism to do this on the current hardware would have been to use the battery-status LED "in re

Re: An olpcfs experience report

2008-04-25 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Joshua N Pritikin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wish I had more time to study the implementation. > > What is stored in Berkeley DB? Only the indexes? The dependency on > Berkeley DB makes me nervous. I recall the Subversion Berkeley DB > backend suffered from

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