Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-23 Thread leee
On Wednesday 23 Dec 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: > -- > From: "leee" > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:05 PM > To: "FlightGear developers discussions" > > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination bro

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-23 Thread Alan Teeder
-- From: "leee" Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:05 PM To: "FlightGear developers discussions" Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken > On Tuesday 22 Dec 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: > [snip...] &g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread leee
On Tuesday 22 Dec 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: [snip...] > The Ercoupe and certain other aircraft (e.g. TSR2) may have an > aileron-rudder interconnect, but this is very aircraft specific > and should be part of the aircraft FCS model. The YASim BAC-TSR2 doesn't/didn't/shouldn't have an aileron-rudde

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread James Turner
On 22 Dec 2009, at 12:23, John Denker wrote: > I won't bother to ask why some people consider a discussion > of auto-coordination to be "hijacking" an auto-coordination > thread. I think that comment was because you replied to the 'autopilot broken' thread to start the auto-coordination discuss

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread John Denker
On 12/22/2009 02:35 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > I think all that is required is that we make clear that auto-coordination is > designed to help people without any rudder control axis, and that a proper > rudder axis (or even a twist axis on a joystick) is preferable. On 12/21/2009 08:59 PM, Cur

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread Alan Teeder
iscussions" Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken > Ron Jensen wrote: > >> > > Are you sure you don't have some noisy input >> > > device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the >> > > rudder axi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Ron Jensen wrote: > > > Are you sure you don't have some noisy input > > > device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the > > > rudder axis? > > > If two input axes are bound to the same control the last write wins. > > > > Thanks for the hint. That helps. It makes sense fro

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Ron Jensen wrote: > In my view --enable-auto-coordination is a game feature, and usable for > people without a rudder axis control. A group you seem to have > completely overlooked. Yup, it's never been intended to be more than a simple work around for people wi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Ron Jensen
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 17:45 -0700, John Denker wrote: > On 12/21/2009 02:36 PM, Anders Gidenstam wrote: > > > It seems to work ok here. > > Interesting Another thread hijacked. > > Are you sure you don't have some noisy input > > device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affec

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread John Denker
On 12/21/2009 02:36 PM, Anders Gidenstam wrote: > It seems to work ok here. Interesting > Are you sure you don't have some noisy input > device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the > rudder axis? > If two input axes are bound to the same control the last write wins.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, John Denker wrote: > In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. > > In the SenecaII, the most observable effect is that it makes > it impossible to steer when trying to taxi. In the air it > does not noticeably improve the coordination. Sometimes I > see an int

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
> Did you try to turn > on/off jaw damper? > > > Hah, I tried that on my wife and it didn't work > ... :-) > (jaw being a bone in the mouth, yaw being side > to side motion.) > Curt. > -- Upss...Lol! :D Maybe I used this word instead because thinking of my own jaw which still pains a bit aft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: > Did you try to turn on/off jaw damper? > Hah, I tried that on my wife and it didn't work ... :-) (jaw being a bone in the mouth, yaw being side to side motion.) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, > The –enable-auto-coordination > feature never worked very well, > but now it even more broken than it used to be. I observe > different symptoms in different aircraft. > > In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. If so, then it must be something happened recently. With

[Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread John Denker
The –enable-auto-coordination feature never worked very well, but now it even more broken than it used to be. I observe different symptoms in different aircraft. In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. In the SenecaII, the most observable effect is that it makes it impossibl