Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-17 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:06:32 +0200 _JusSx_ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's remove it from portage. why should we use it? I run it for a > bit I can say it's awful... it is closed-source, is not it? so I > think it's better not to install it... Not everyone sees that as a reason not to use a po

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-17 Thread Josh Saddler
_JusSx_ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 05:36:22PM +0100, Gustavo Felisberto wrote: >> A little background info: Right now there are three versions of >> net-im/skype in the tree: >> >> 1 - the 1.2 series (with a stable version) >> 2- the 1.3 series also with a stable version >> 3- the 1.4 series

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-17 Thread _JusSx_
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 05:36:22PM +0100, Gustavo Felisberto wrote: > A little background info: Right now there are three versions of > net-im/skype in the tree: > > 1 - the 1.2 series (with a stable version) > 2- the 1.3 series also with a stable version > 3- the 1.4 series with a ~/hardmask vers

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-15 Thread Richard Freeman
Vlastimil Babka wrote: Jan Kundrát wrote: It could be interesting to evaluate a new rule "fetch/mirror restricted package can't be marked stable" :). I believe common sense and per-package experience is better than such general rules :) Agreed, although I think most people would agree with

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-15 Thread Jean-Marc Hengen
Vlastimil Babka wrote: > Maybe you could (either when final 1.4 hits ~arch or on 19th) change the > RESTRICT="mirror" to RESTRICT="fetch" in <1.4 and explain the situation > in pkg_nofetch() via einfo, telling users they either find the distfile > themselves (might have it on another computer, or g

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-15 Thread Josh Sled
Gustavo Felisberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Any alternatives? Ask Skype/upstream to change their behavior? For either the installer mirroring or historical-version removal date. If they're going through the trouble of producing a linux version, they probably understand how distros work, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-15 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Kundrát wrote: > Abhay Kedia wrote: >> I am involved in this thread since its very beginning but looks like I am >> not >> being able to understand the problems. Would you please be kind enough to >> enumerate the issues discussed in this thread

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-15 Thread Jan Kundrát
Abhay Kedia wrote: > I am involved in this thread since its very beginning but looks like I am not > being able to understand the problems. Would you please be kind enough to > enumerate the issues discussed in this thread that warrant complete removal > of Skype (rather than masking it) from th

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Friday 15 Jun 2007 3:15:28 am Doug Goldstein wrote: > > Please ensure you read the entire thread to get a grasp on the issues at > hand before replying. > I am involved in this thread since its very beginning but looks like I am not being able to understand the problems. Would you please be kin

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Doug Goldstein
Abhay Kedia wrote: > On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 8:18:27 pm Luca Barbato wrote: > >> If is broken we need to fix it, if is unfixable we HAVE to drop/p.mask it. >> >> > ...but then that remains true for open source programs as well. XMMS is a > wonderful example of the same. I saw alsaplayer go

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 8:18:27 pm Luca Barbato wrote: > > If is broken we need to fix it, if is unfixable we HAVE to drop/p.mask it. > ...but then that remains true for open source programs as well. XMMS is a wonderful example of the same. I saw alsaplayer going out and then in again for the sam

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Abhay Kedia wrote: > Don't get me wrong...I love open source and that is one of the reasons why I > have been using GNU/Linux for many years but acting paranoid and dropping > popular packages from tree is not something, I as a common user, would like > to see. This is the only reason I am pokin

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Kent Fredric
On 6/14/07, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 1:54:51 am Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > But maybe Skype is not so pressing to upgrade, just doesn't provide > distfiles anymore. Then maybe we don't have to obey, but still it's > really questionable if it should be marked s

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 1:54:51 am Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > But maybe Skype is not so pressing to upgrade, just doesn't provide > distfiles anymore. Then maybe we don't have to obey, but still it's > really questionable if it should be marked stable at all. > Then don't mark it stable but droppin

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kent Fredric wrote: > On 6/14/07, Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Also, ion3 was IIRC removed recently also for upstream trying to force >> new versions against our stable policy. And that was opensource. > > [U] x11-wm/ion3 > Availa

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Kent Fredric
On 6/14/07, Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, ion3 was IIRC removed recently also for upstream trying to force new versions against our stable policy. And that was opensource. [U] x11-wm/ion3 Available versions: (~)20060326 (~)20061223 (~)20070318-r2 (~)20070506-r1 {doc ion3

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abhay Kedia wrote: > On Wednesday 13 Jun 2007 10:11:24 pm Vlastimil Babka wrote: >> Drop it from stable completely, possibly package.mask or move to >> overlay. Why should this closed-source rootkit be in stable? >> > If closed source is the criteria o

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Luca Barbato
Abhay Kedia wrote: > On Wednesday 13 Jun 2007 10:11:24 pm Vlastimil Babka wrote: >> Drop it from stable completely, possibly package.mask or move to >> overlay. Why should this closed-source rootkit be in stable? >> > If closed source is the criteria of getting dropped from stable status or > tree

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Wednesday 13 Jun 2007 10:11:24 pm Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > Drop it from stable completely, possibly package.mask or move to > overlay. Why should this closed-source rootkit be in stable? > If closed source is the criteria of getting dropped from stable status or tree, than are we dropping net

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vlastimil Babka wrote: > Gustavo Felisberto wrote: >> Any alternatives? > > Drop it from stable completely, possibly package.mask or move to > overlay. Why should this closed-source rootkit be in stable? ++ Marijn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Versi

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 George Shapovalov wrote: > Wednesday, 13. June 2007, Daniel Gryniewicz Ви написали: >>> The first option will trigger portage errors and prompt users to open >>> bugs until we have a stable 1.4, the second gives us a chance to explain >>> the issue. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Petteri Räty
Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: > Vlastimil Babka wrote: >> Gustavo Felisberto wrote: >>> Any alternatives? >> Drop it from stable completely, possibly package.mask or move to >> overlay. Why should this closed-source rootkit be in stable? >> > Said the java dev > > We all use OpenJDK nowadays

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread George Shapovalov
Wednesday, 13. June 2007, Daniel Gryniewicz Ви написали: > > The first option will trigger portage errors and prompt users to open > > bugs until we have a stable 1.4, the second gives us a chance to explain > > the issue. > > > > Any alternatives? > > 3. Mask < 1.4 on the 19th with a descriptive m

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
Vlastimil Babka wrote: > Gustavo Felisberto wrote: >> Any alternatives? > > Drop it from stable completely, possibly package.mask or move to > overlay. Why should this closed-source rootkit be in stable? > Said the java dev Personally, I'd say if upstream doesn't provide downloads, nothing

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 17:36 +0100, Gustavo Felisberto wrote: > A little background info: Right now there are three versions of > net-im/skype in the tree: > > 1 - the 1.2 series (with a stable version) > 2- the 1.3 series also with a stable version > 3- the 1.4 series with a ~/hardmask version >

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gustavo Felisberto wrote: > Any alternatives? Drop it from stable completely, possibly package.mask or move to overlay. Why should this closed-source rootkit be in stable? - -- Vlastimil Babka (Caster) Gentoo/Java -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Versio

[gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-13 Thread Gustavo Felisberto
A little background info: Right now there are three versions of net-im/skype in the tree: 1 - the 1.2 series (with a stable version) 2- the 1.3 series also with a stable version 3- the 1.4 series with a ~/hardmask version Also the skype license states that we cannot mirror it's files (this will b