> > What does everyone else think about this. Is portage a major blocker
> > of progress or not so much?
>
> As said above, details are major blockers of progress.
Can you elaborate on this? Do you just mean that there are many small
things that are blocking Gentoo's progress?
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> >> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> >> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> >> things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
> >> be the closest relation, but even that won't do. I d
On Dec 16, 2007 2:09 AM, Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you have a list of significant improvements you want implemented?
> There were gaping holes in linux's abilities in the past. These
> problems have been fixed. Change simply for the sake of change is a
> relic of the Windows e
Grant wrote:
>> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
>> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
>> things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
>> be the closest relation, but even that won't do.
On (17/12/07 11:29) Ralf Stephan wrote:
> > What does everyone else think about this. Is portage a major blocker
> > of progress or not so much?
>
> As said above, details are major blockers of progress.
>
> On the other hand, when I switched to paludis, 100 MB
> of unnecessary packages suddenly
> What does everyone else think about this. Is portage a major blocker
> of progress or not so much?
As said above, details are major blockers of progress.
On the other hand, when I switched to paludis, 100 MB
of unnecessary packages suddenly were available to delete.
So, paludis must do somethi
> > > > The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to support is
> > > > Portage. There is only 1½ people working on it and changing anything in
> > > > it is hard because Portage is a horrible mess. There's plenty of
> > > > activity in the tree but new desired features cannot be used in t
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Saturday 15 December 2007 20:00:54 Grant wrote:
>
The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to support is
Portage. There is only 1½ people working on it and changing anything in
it is hard because Portage is a horrible mess. There's plenty o
On Saturday 15 December 2007 20:00:54 Grant wrote:
> > > The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to support is
> > > Portage. There is only 1½ people working on it and changing anything in
> > > it is hard because Portage is a horrible mess. There's plenty of
> > > activity in the tree b
Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> Maybe his/her laptop doesn't stand the
>>> thermal output of its CPU when emerging or maybe he/she's the
>>> administrator of a large company's network, trying to move every
>>> computer system to Gentoo.
>> Check out distccd!
> How does that help? Either every machine
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 07:48:12AM -0800, Grant wrote
> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> things being improved as quickly as possible.
One item (amongst many) that chased me away from W
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:41:21 -0500, Randy Barlow wrote:
> > Maybe his/her laptop doesn't stand the
> > thermal output of its CPU when emerging or maybe he/she's the
> > administrator of a large company's network, trying to move every
> > computer system to Gentoo.
>
> Check out distccd!
How do
> > The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to support is Portage.
> > There is only 1½ people working on it and changing anything in it is hard
> > because Portage is a horrible mess. There's plenty of activity in the tree
> > but new desired features cannot be used in the tree until Po
> > So, what would need to happen for one of these projects to take off
> > would be one or more people to be in charge of it and organize it, and
> > they recruit as many people as possible to work on the project along
> > with them?
>
> The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to suppor
Florian Philipp wrote:
> Maybe his/her laptop doesn't stand the
> thermal output of its CPU when emerging or maybe he/she's the
> administrator of a large company's network, trying to move every
> computer system to Gentoo.
Check out distccd!
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On Saturday 15 December 2007 15:05:28 Grant wrote:
> > Neil correctly translated my pseudo-English to what I actually meant. I
> > don't want to make Portage binary based. I just want to make Portage's
> > binary package support more conveniently usable on big networks.
Even eclasses in the tree d
> > > > That is when you compile it on another machine then install it on the
> > > > laptop. The -K option comes to mind here.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Which is what I think the OP was talking about. If you install one of the
> > > *-bin packages from portage, you are protected by the checksums in the
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 07:06 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:44:55 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >
> >
> > > That is when you compile it on another machine then install it on the
> > > laptop. The -K option comes to mind here.
> > >
> >
> > Which is what I t
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:44:55 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>
>> That is when you compile it on another machine then install it on the
>> laptop. The -K option comes to mind here.
>>
>
> Which is what I think the OP was talking about. If you install one of the
> *-bin package
On Saturday 15 December 2007 03:35:51 Grant wrote:
> My ideas aren't really important unless they're everyone else's ideas
> too.
What is it exactly you want to achieve by starting these pointless threads?
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:44:55 -0600, Dale wrote:
> That is when you compile it on another machine then install it on the
> laptop. The -K option comes to mind here.
Which is what I think the OP was talking about. If you install one of the
*-bin packages from portage, you are protected by the che
> > I love gentoo and can't settle for anything else. What can I do to
> > make sure development doesn't stop?
>
> Let me in on that. What can I do too?
Help out with bugfixing by submitting patches or even just
confirming bugs and supplying needed details?
Join testing teams? Join the Weekly N
Florian Philipp wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 18:13 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> Florian Philipp wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, here it goes:
>>>
>>> I think we could need a better support for binary packages.
>>> There was a thread in here a few months ago about how to offer binary
>>> packages for cust
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 18:13 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Florian Philipp wrote:
> >
> > Okay, here it goes:
> >
> > I think we could need a better support for binary packages.
> > There was a thread in here a few months ago about how to offer binary
> > packages for customers. As far as I remember the pr
> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
> be the closest relation, but even that won't do. I don't thi
7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
> My concerns with this, other than my abilities, are:
> 1. Showing proper respect to the guy who pioneered the effort to date,
> and who may simply be out of town. (This disrespect would be alleviated
> if there was an official policy encouraging "volunteer ebuilds".)
It's no
Florian Philipp wrote:
>
> Okay, here it goes:
>
> I think we could need a better support for binary packages.
> There was a thread in here a few months ago about how to offer binary
> packages for customers. As far as I remember the problem was (and still
> is) that there is no easy way to check
Randy Barlow wrote:
7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
OTOH, the good news is that a newbie like me can install an outdated
package (e.g. Vidalia); resolve dependencies; uninstall the portage
version; download and compile the current version from the developer.
If you know how to do those things, learning ho
Florian Philipp ha scritto:
> Other things to improve? A better documentation on USE-flags. In my
> opinion every maintainer should provide as much information as possible
> on what exactly a USE-flag changes. At the moment it's the
> administrator's responsibility to find this out. Not really a g
On Dec 14, 2007 6:15 PM, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Randy Barlow ha scritto:
> > 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
> >> OTOH, the good news is that a newbie like me can install an outdated
> >> package (e.g. Vidalia); resolve dependencies; uninstall the portage
> >> version; download and compile the curr
Randy Barlow ha scritto:
> 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
>> OTOH, the good news is that a newbie like me can install an outdated
>> package (e.g. Vidalia); resolve dependencies; uninstall the portage
>> version; download and compile the current version from the developer.
>
> If you know how to do those thi
Grant ha scritto:
>>> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
>>> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
>>> things being improved as quickly as possible.
>> Where do you find it is slowed?
>
> I don't have statistics to support this, bu
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 13:58 -0600, Christopher Dale wrote:
>
> Feel free to post any ideas you have to enhance Gentoo's base
> functionality to the list though, I think you've roused everyone's
> curiosity Grant :D
>
> Christopher
>
>
Okay, here it goes:
I think we could need a better suppo
Grant wrote:
> Let me in on that. What can I do too?
Find bugs on b.g.o. and help out!
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7v5w7go9ub0o wrote:
> OTOH, the good news is that a newbie like me can install an outdated
> package (e.g. Vidalia); resolve dependencies; uninstall the portage
> version; download and compile the current version from the developer.
If you know how to do those things, learning how to make the ebui
Grant wrote:
Gentoo's foundation is great. I can't think of any major changes that
should to happen to it. But Gentoo is at this point *only* a
foundation. It needs more (removable) layers. FreeBSD created extra
layers on its own foundation and called the result PC-BSD which is
aimed at the m
Volunteer to pick up part of the load, I guess - something that I, as a
newbie, am reluctant to do - but I guess I will if filezilla continues
to languish.
There is indeed an issue; e.g. TOR, a popular desktop package, is a
release behind; Vidalia, is two releases behind - one a security
re
On Freitag, 14. Dezember 2007, Grant wrote:
> > > Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> > > at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> > > things being improved as quickly as possible.
> >
> > Where do you find it is slowed?
>
> I don't
Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> On Dec 14, 2007 5:30 PM, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD i
> > Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> > at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> > things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
> > be the closest relation, but even that won't do. I don't think there
> >
On Dec 14, 2007 5:30 PM, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> > > at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> > > things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
> > > be the
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:48:12 -0800
Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
> be the close
> > Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> > at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> > things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
> > be the closest relation, but even that won't do. I don't think there
> >
Hi,
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:48:12 -0800
Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
> be the
> > Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> > at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> > things being improved as quickly as possible.
>
> Where do you find it is slowed?
I don't have statistics to support this, but it seems obvious to
Grant ha scritto:
> Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
> at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
> things being improved as quickly as possible.
Where do you find it is slowed?
> FreeBSD is supposed to
> be the closest relation, bu
Lately I've been shopping around for other distros as well as looking
at *BSD. Gentoo development seems to have slowed way down and I like
things being improved as quickly as possible. FreeBSD is supposed to
be the closest relation, but even that won't do. I don't think there
is anything as sati
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